The 4070Ti Super has a major problem! And that problem is the 7900XT

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Highlights

Proposed a new convolutional neural network architecture called AlexNet that achieved record breaking image classification accuracy on ImageNet dataset.

Showed that deep convolutional neural networks can match or exceed human performance on difficult visual recognition tasks.

Demonstrated the importance of ReLU activation functions, dropout regularization, data augmentation and GPU training for improving deep neural networks.

AlexNet paved the way for widespread adoption of deep learning across computer vision and other fields.

Discussed training methodology including splitting into two GPUs, local response normalization, overlapping pooling.

Applied CUDA and GPUs to significantly accelerate training time compared to CPU only training.

Showed that neural networks can learn complex representations directly from raw image pixels given enough data and computation.

Demonstrated how deep CNNs can be effectively pre-trained on large datasets like ImageNet and transferred to other tasks.

AlexNet highlighted importance of big data and big models for driving progress in deep learning.

Started widespread adoption of convolutional networks across computer vision.

Enabled rapid progress in image classification, object detection, image segmentation over following years.

Showed key factors for designing and training high-performance deep neural networks.

Demonstrated potential of deep learning to match or exceed human-level performance.

Led to renewed interest and research into neural networks after slow progress in 1990s.

Opened up new avenues for applying deep learning to speech, natural language, robotics, and other domains.

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round two of Nvidia launches for January

today the 470 TI super a too long didn't

watch would probably be it's a little

faster than the ti but not quite as fast

as the

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below so this review though is a little

bit less about how it Stacks up in the

Nvidia uh stack because that's we know

exactly where it lines up price-wise and

the hierarchy it's all there for me it's

going to be how does it compare against

the 7900 XT from AMD couple caveats I

need to apologize first and foremost uh

there's going to be a couple of charts

missing from this particular review

because of the fact that for whatever

reason some of the the Metro last Light

is just or Metro Exodus in RT it's just

for whatever reason completely gimping

performance in 1080P for like the 4080

is being out performed by like a

4070 uh TI which is weird so weird stuff

happening there we admitted that we also

have very limited time with the card

because Nvidia only gave us one day to

prepare this review prior to its launch

that's because of the fact that I am not

working through the weekend to review

this and I have a procedure coming up

the beginning of the week which is when

the week this goes live which is that

Tuesday so we have one day to do this so

I definitely implore you to go and watch

as many reviews from like Gamers Nexus

and uh Hardware unboxed and any of the

other guys that are out there doing uh

more Deep dive type of architectural

reviews so with that said and all the

excuses out of the way let's go ahead

and talk about how it Stacks up so this

is the 4070 TI super what makes the ti

super interesting is the fact that even

though it's a 4070 card it is built on

the 0103 chip which which is actually

the same chip that you'll find on the

RTX 480 so although the 470 470 super

and 470 TI are all built on the 80104

the 470 TI super is built on the 80103

and that's only because they had no way

to really name it lower than an RTX 480

and still be a 4080 so really it's like

a 4075 if you want to be like honestly

they I wish they'd bring back the five

number cuz sometimes it makes more sense

to do that than use these stupid like

names at the end the cards anyway moving

on spec-wise as I've already mentioned

it's 80103 it's got 8448 uh cacor 264

tmus 96 RS 16 GB so that's another thing

to point out is the 470 super 470 Fe and

470 TI all have 12 GB gigabits gigabytes

of gddr6 where this is 16 gbt on a

256bit bus where the other 4070 cards

are actually on a 192bit bus so really

as you can see it is just a shaved down

4080 so if we look at the 4070 TI and we

look at these specs as you can see 7680

core so it's got less Cuda cores on a

slower chip so as you can see it's it's

a pretty decent jump going to a 4070 TI

the price is also um so this is where

we'll talk about price right now these

are the specs that you can see the 4070

TI super is significantly better on with

a it's a better memory bus more RAM more

cores on a faster die for the same MSRP

as this card so that's why this card has

just been Sunset it's at its end of life

is being replaced by the 4070 TI super

so anyone buying or has bought a 4070 TI

like right now or in the past couple

weeks or since these cards have launched

have gimped their performance per dollar

by not waiting hypothetically assuming

all these cards would be available at

launch so right now things are kind of

weird with the graphics card market like

409s are still kind of hard to come by

but 470s and 480s have been around 480s

for a little bit more kind of hard to

get okay I digress if we take a look at

the 4080 though 9728 uh cores 304 tmus

112 RS 16 GB on a 256bit bus so it is

just a slightly locked down 80103

remember 4080 super when it comes out

that is a fully realized

8103 uh all 10,200 some OD Cuda cor is

basically 512 More Than This is how that

works out but um yeah so that's why I'm

showing you the 4080 on here because

realistically 4070 TI is essentially a

480 with some with 512 Kuda cor locked

so um another thing to point out there

is no um Founders Edition for the 4070

TI super so that's why you're seeing a

uh Asus tough this is the card that was

provided by Nvidia Nvidia actually uh is

curating these uh card samples so we

have a tough sent over by Nvidia and uh

let's go ahead and just kind of get

right into the charts this is where

things kind of look funny so so I this

is current pricing right now for

MSRP as you can see the 480 at $1.99 is

what is that $400 more than a 480 or

excuse me a 4070 TI super tough we also

think they should just rename it the RTX

470 TI super tough gaming OC RGB ready

VR ready Edition 4070 TI tough was $.99

and the 47 TI super tough is also $77.99

so when you look at the next charts

you'll keep in mind when you see the

Improvement gain the performance gain

that is at the same price point uh it's

not very often Nvidia does this sort of

thing now one thing I want to point out

here is you can see the 7900 XT I've

listed at 750 even though according to

amd's website with the price drop its

MSRP is 849 it was an initial MSRP of

899 when it was designed to compete with

the RTX 480 at 1,200 so it was $300

cheaper than the 4080 which is what it

was really sort of designed to compete

with although it never really caught the

480 in performance $300 less was a nice

story to talk about because that would

like most of the cost of your CPU just

in price difference um so I'm pointing

out the fact that I put 750 on here

because although that's listed on their

website you can go to Amazon or New Egg

right now at least here in the United

States and find them for as low as

$729 for aibs which are arguably faster

than the reference cards that are at

MSRP so I think it's just because one of

the AMD cards just probably sell one to

one card for every 10 Nvidia cards which

is unfortunate but they are a they're

really good value especially when you

can find them under MSRP like they are

now so I put the price you can buy it

for right now which is why it says

current price in USD at 750 cuz if I was

to put the price of $ 850 at the MSRP

that would not be doing the card any

favors because that's not realistic cuz

you can buy it for more than $100 less

than that that1 to $120 difference makes

a significant price proposition value to

consider when you look at the charts

moving forward and then you can see the

470 super down here at $5.99 it's like

significantly lower $200 less but it's

technically now the card right below the

470 uh TI super so that's why it's on

the chart moving forward oh also too

because of the limited time with the

cards I would have loved to included

like the 3080 3080 TI 3090 and all those

cards I've already explained why I do

not have those cards on here but that

would be a a fun inclusive list to see

uh how it Compares for much cheaper at

this point okay Port Royal as you can

see looks exactly like you would expect

it to 480 on top and then we got the 470

TI super tough kind of right here in the

middle now one thing I want to keep in

mind is the 480 Fe does also boost as

high as like 2845 MHz whereas the 4070

TI super tough even though we were on

the performance bios um was boosting to

about 2745 now keep in mind this this

cooler is significantly overbuilt

considering the fact that it's the same

cooler they would throw on like a 4080

which a 350 watt card versus the

285 Watts that you'll find for the uh

the TDP on this card it's either 280 or

285 I apologize I forget but I know it's

like 280 285 they talked about lifting

the power limit which is one of the ways

that they were able they had to lift the

power limit because on the ad 103 it's a

little bit more power demanding but

still 350 versus 285 the fact that it's

even anywhere near a 4080 in performance

shows some pretty nice efficiency there

um looks exactly as you'd expect cuz

it's an RT test the 7900 XT is kind of

down here in the mid 13,000 not looking

great but not looking Fant you know

terrible either so once we move on to 3D

Mark Times by extreme which is not an RT

test it's a rasterization test um we no

longer have that generational difference

between Gen 2 RT cores from AMD and gen

3 RT cores built into Nvidia um you can

see the 7900 XT definitely jumps up

significantly in the chart it has a lot

of horsepower compared to like the 80103

when it comes to Cuda cor versus the

stream processor found in the 7,000

series radon cards um you can see it's

about 1,000 points behind the 480 but

this is all going to change in about a

week cuz remember in one week the 4080

super is going to launch and at $9.99

$200 less than current putting it at the

MSRP of a 7900 XTX so when we compare it

to the 7900 XT it's going to go even

farther forward and probably even

farther ahead of the 7900 XTX at the

same price as that so that'll be a fun

that's like Frasier and Ali right there

7900 XTX versus 480 super that'll be fun

unfortunately am is empting to compete

with the 490 but we're not talking about

that today we're talking about the 470

TI super which is right here in the

middle it's faster than the 4070 TI and

slower than a 480 Borderlands 3 is a fun

title only because it is very AMD biased

it is literally like team red all the

way now sure it is losing compared to

the RTX 480 Fe um but it's like way up

here at the top of the chart I mean 229

FPS 173 and 1440 and 96 it is beating

the 4070 TI super tough by 7 FPS and

1080 uh about 15 FPS and 1440 and 10 FPS

in 4k so it's faster in those higher

resolutions for less money than a 470 TI

super so that's why I said in the title

of this video like Nvidia has an AMD

problem right now at least when it comes

to this price point and that's I don't

see AMD dropping the price again because

cards are already selling below MSRP so

you can change the MSRP all you want

they're already below that so it doesn't

make a difference but uh yeah I mean

it's nice to see the 7 7900 XT up above

the 4070 TI super even though it is a

biased title for a cheaper cost cyber

Punk is a is a another story where that

horsepower really shines so as you can

see without RT it's just right there on

the heels of the RTX

480 uh and and ahead of the 4070 TI

super now you can see right here the 470

TI super and the 4070 TI tough like

exactly the same FPS in 1080P this is

the kind of this is one of the things I

hate about some of the press driver

stuff is every now and then like a new

card even though it's on the same

architecture and it's the same

manufacturer like Nvidia and all that

every now and then a title just does

something super weird with it and it

takes time for the a a driver release or

two for some of these brand new cards to

get ironed out by the engine uh and the

drivers for those engines but it is what

it is I if we look at like 4K and 1440p

same story right it's like identical in

1440p as it is with the 7900 XT but

obviously these these two 1080 numbers

are kind of are kind of just weird and

it's only one FPS difference in 4k so it

is what it is take it with a grain of

salt but once we turn on RT the PO 7900

XT just trips and falls on its face it's

like watching a hurdle race but the

person trips over every hurdle along the

way that's just what happens with rt now

it's important to keep in mind with our

charts that our charts are also at like

highest or near highest settings so this

rton though is not path Trace to RT and

that's important to note cuz cyberpunk

is one of the only titles where it's

like RT Beyond right it's the hardest

way of rendering Ray tracing but it's

also important to note neither none of

our titles are using dlss or AMD uh

motion frames or fluid motion frames or

any of that stuff this is just raw

horsepower of the architecture we like

to see how the cards perform when they

rely on their own brute horsepower and

not software implementation so that's

kind of the way we do our reviews around

here um doesn't make the brands happy

but that's often times what the

consumers want to see so as we move

forward here to shadow of the Tomb

Raider no RT the cards are pretty much

bumping right up against the new cap of

right around 300 FPS in the title but

again it looks exactly as you'd expect

the 4070 TI is super tough though edging

out the 7900 XT barely like the in a

blind taste test you would not really be

able to differ differentiate these cards

which I think is an important thing to

consider considering the fact that they

are they do have a pretty measurable

price difference because this is an MSRP

card but there's not a whole lot of room

for customization on these cards as you

start to encroach on the price of the

RTX 480 super I mean it's a $200 Gap

right there but if EAS some what is it

the 4080 Neptune was like

$1,700 more expensive it was more

expensive than a 490 just cuz it was

water cooled which is dumb I would buy

an air cooled 49 over a water cooled

4080 any day of the week so we they need

to avoid that with this skew uh let's

see once we turn on RT though you can

see the 7900 XT unfortunately Falls all

the way to the bottom 480 or 4070 TI

super right there right underneath the

RTX 480 everything looks exactly as you

wouldd expect here although keep in mind

with that horsepower um it's getting a

little it's it's matching 4K and 1440p

performance of more like a 4070

TI um versus you know the 4070 it's

behind but this is just just this is an

RT core measurement at this point and

the their RT accelerators are behind

nvidia's RT cores Gears of War 5 I don't

like this title it's probably one I'm

going to drop in the future we're going

to be adding some more titles to our

charts getting some rid of some entirely

because now we're starting to see some

of the weird wonkiness like this I mean

check this out so we've got the RTX 470

tough down here with like the lowest

1080p frames but in terms of 4K and

1440p it really should be up here with

like the 7900 XT and right behind the

480

we've R we ran it multiple times we

can't figure out why that is this is one

of those that we have to chalk up to

like we we we have a spreadsheet that

has tracks all the settings we make sure

all of our background tasks are exactly

the same it's all done on the same

machine we're not running multiple

machines cuz we think it's very

important to have the card run on the

same CPU same motherboard same Ram same

everything same OS installation

otherwise it's easy to uh get results

that are beyond the limitation of margin

of error so these are all of these tests

have been run within the last couple

weeks and they are all in the same

system so we have no idea why some of

the gears of f War five numbers are are

what they are it's also important to

keep in mind this is a port and ports

tend to do this weird kind of stuff so

with that said moving on fora Horizon 5

AMD title can you

tell so if you're a fora Horizon 5

player you're going to want a 7900 XT

because look at that it's it's beating

everything except for 4K 4K the 480 is

faster by much but it's faster

everywhere else uh with for Horizon 5 so

let's talk about temperatures because of

the fact that this card is running the

same cooler that the RTX 480 is and it's

significantly lower on its power needs

uh it was running high 50s low 60s

pretty much at all times and that is on

an open air test bench so the only thing

affecting the cooling of the card is the

card's cooler

itself let's talk about whether or not

you should buy a 4070 TI or potentially

a discounted RTX

480 see I I have a hard time seeing

retailers reducing the price of an RTX

480 under

$9.99 before even after the 4080 super

launch see do you know why because

they've basically already purchased

those cards at their wholesale costs

which is going to be higher than $999

there's not a lot of margin on gpus so

when you deal with like purchasing with

retails and stuff it's not it's not like

the manufacturer it's not like Asus and

gigabyte and MSI and all of them are

sending over crates of cards and then

they're saying hey just give us our

profit when you sell the card no the

stores are buying them wholesale like

that's that's a cash transaction that

has taking place so the stores now have

to either take a hit and loss by

reducing the cost of the 4080 otherwise

they're going to be sitting here seeing

4080 is costing more than a 4080 super

or they're just going to artificially

increase the price of the the 480 super

so I don't know how that's going to look

the reason why I think retailers are not

going to reduce the price is because

there's still retailers out there and

eilers right now selling 3060 TI for the

same price as the 460 TI and we know the

460 TI is much faster so what's going to

happen with the 480s I don't know it

it'll be interesting to see but I feel

like 4070 TI super it's it's a nice

attempt by Nvidia to give you a little

more for the same amount of money might

be a little bit too little too late um

but I I I I feel like a lot of people

should just maybe look for some lightly

used RTX

480s in in that price point man it it

it's one of those things where you have

two ways that you can look at this and

I'm going to say the same thing

obviously with the RTX 480 super when

that when that review launches in one

week you can you can praise Nvidia by

hold on I know you're already pissed off

and probably hitting D like d like d

like this video Del like it like that

that's someone that might have already

liked it and they're Del liking it okay

wait let me finish it you'll re likee it

after I'm done with what I'm going to

say you can choose to praise Nvidia for

saying hey they're giving us more for

the same money right cuz they're doing

it with the 480 and 480 super and

they're doing it right now with the 470

TI and 470 TI super faster card as you

can see on the chart right now for the

same money or you can look at it and say

they could have done this all along they

could have launched the 48 the 40 series

launched significantly inflated pricing

over the 30 series and what that was

supposed to be see the 30 series

suffered heavily from scalping in a time

when there was a chip shortage in the

world and scalpers are they they're

their opportunist they're opportunists

right so they're going to look at where

the opportunity is whether you're a

sneaker head or vinyl

collector graphics cards whatever there

is a there is a demand is where you're

going to find scalpers and they will buy

up in droves and teams and then sell it

for double some or triple what they're

worth during the um the human malware

infection right so you can choose to say

okay we're getting more for the same

price or they could have always launched

the 4080 at the $9.99 price point I I

said it in my in the announcement video

that I I don't I don't personally feel

like Nvidia deserves

praise for throwing us a bone at

dropping the price 200 bucks at a $1,000

graphics card because they've already

built their fortune on the

cryptocurrency mining craze the scalping

craze and then now because buyers are

finally fighting back in saying we don't

need this crap inflation is cooled it's

still higher than what it should be uh

it's still around 5% we're the industry

is trying to get down to like 3% 2% but

the damage has been done and the brand

damage has is there the tarnish is there

because the true colors were squeeze and

ring the market out for every dollar

they're worth and then when sales start

to slow down let's throw them a bone and

the bone is 47 TI super is the same

price and 48 super coming down so the

performance is good versus what what we

saw pricing but I still think it's a bad

taste and it's a bad look because it's

not like it's gotten that much cheaper

to manufacture the ad 103 those are the

two ways you can look at it yay more

performance same money go Nvidia Rah R

ra or man they were hosing us all along

which is the camp I sort of live in but

until we get AMD really giving us

consistently better performance for the

same money is it really going to change

all right guys thanks for

watching see you in a week well we'll

have more videos before then but we'll

see you within more cards and the same

stuff just different numbers we'll say

the same exact thing you just heard me

say today with different

numbers