[TF2] How to play koth_bagel (Map Review)

Summary

In this strategic gameplay guide, the focus is on 'Koth Bagel,' a new competitive map in the game. The map features a fast point capture mechanism, necessitating mindful capping to avoid delaying team spawns. It offers ample cover, promoting a defensive playstyle. The guide covers various class roles, emphasizing the importance of flanking, healing, and coordinating pushes. It also touches on the map's layout, including flank rooms, health pack locations, and high ground control, providing tips for each class to maximize their effectiveness in the fast-paced, chaotic battles of Koth Bagel.

Takeaways

• 🏆 KOTH Bagel is a competitive map with a fast point cap, leading to frequent changes in control and requiring careful play to avoid delaying team spawns.
• 🔄 The map features a central cover area, often referred to as the 'nipple' or 'cylinder', which provides significant protection for players and is key for blocking or stealing the point.
• 🩹 Healing is crucial on KOTH Bagel, with Scouts often needing support to deny cap time and maintain control of the point.
• 💣 Soldiers have limited aggression options due to fewer landing spots, and are advised to spam and hold side lanes rather than constantly bombing the point.
• 🗺️ The map has three lanes (left, point, and right), and communication is key for coordinating pushes and flanks, with unique calls for each flank room to avoid confusion.
• 🚨 Flank routes are highly effective for surprise attacks, as players often focus on the point, leaving the sides vulnerable to being overwhelmed.
• 🔝 High ground control is advantageous for Scouts, who can intimidate enemies and block cap time from an elevated position.
• 🧲 Demomen should focus on carpeting the point with sticky traps, which can be particularly deadly when combined with sinking stickies to catch enemies off guard.
• 🚨 Forward holding is viable but requires careful positioning, especially for Medics, to avoid being trapped and overwhelmed by the fast spawns on offense.
• 🛑 Uber pushes are common and should be coordinated with clear calls on which side of the point to push, to avoid splitting the team and getting picked off.
• 🤺 The main area can be underutilized but offers opportunities for Soldiers to deal significant damage with upward rockets and splash damage.

Q & A

What makes KOTH Bagel different from other KOTH maps like Viaduct and Clear Cut?

KOTH Bagel has a fast point cap compared to Viaduct and Clear Cut, which leads to more frequent changes in point possession. It also features a lot of cover, especially around the central area, and plays differently due to its unique layout and strategic elements.

Why is it important to be mindful of the point cap speed on KOTH Bagel?

The fast cap speed on KOTH Bagel means the point can change hands rapidly. Players need to avoid accidentally capping and delaying their team's spawns, while also being ready to steal the point from the enemy if they are too passive.

How does the central area of KOTH Bagel provide cover and strategic advantages?

The central area of KOTH Bagel, referred to as a cylinder or tube, offers a lot of cover. Players can stand there to edge cap or block enemy caps, as opponents would have to expose themselves significantly to hit them.

What role does the Soldier class play on KOTH Bagel, and how does it differ from other maps?

On KOTH Bagel, Soldiers are less about constant aggression and more about spamming and holding side lanes. They don't have many great spots to land like on other maps, so they tend to be more independent, with health packs available for them to manage on their own.

How should teams communicate about the flank rooms in KOTH Bagel to avoid confusion?

Teams should establish unique calls for the left and right flank rooms regardless of whether they are on the red or blue team. This helps maintain clear communication about positions and strategies without getting confused by the symmetrical geometry of the map.

What is a common strategy for the Demoman class on KOTH Bagel?

Demomen should focus on controlling the right lane of the point to force the enemy to play on the side where Soldiers can hit them. Carpeting the map with stickies is also a common strategy, as it can catch enemies off guard and secure instant kills.

How can flank routes be utilized effectively on KOTH Bagel?

Flank routes on KOTH Bagel can be incredibly effective if pushed, as enemies are often focused on the point and won't see flankers coming. Soldiers and Scouts can use these routes to get behind the enemy and hit them with rockets or airblasts.

What are some key considerations for Medics when retreating on an Uber disadvantage on KOTH Bagel?

Medics should be mindful of positioning near exits during an Uber disadvantage, as the map's layout can make retreat difficult. They should use cover effectively and be ready to quickly move to avoid being cut off or caught by the enemy.

How can the Scout class take advantage of high ground on KOTH Bagel?

Scouts can climb up to the high ground on the point to intimidate enemies, block their cap time, and deny airborne aggression. This position provides good visibility and opportunities to harass the enemy from above.

What is the significance of Medi packs on KOTH Bagel, and how can they be used strategically?

Medi packs are abundant on KOTH Bagel and are crucial for Soldiers to maintain their health and continue dealing damage. They allow for more independent play and are a key resource for sustaining fights and holding positions.

Why is forward holding a viable strategy on KOTH Bagel, and what are its key elements?

Forward holding is viable on KOTH Bagel due to the map's choke points and the speed of enemy spawns. The key is having both Soldiers alive with full health to spam rockets in the choke point, while the Demoman sets up traps and the Medic provides necessary support.

What are some tips for breaking a forward hold on KOTH Bagel?

Teams can try rotating players to the wider side of the choke point, using the Sniper class for wide peeking, or even taking aggressive Ubers through the main area. It's also beneficial to be sneaky and use the flank routes to catch the defenders off guard.

Outlines

00:00

🗺️ Map Overview and Strategy on Koth Bagel

The speaker introduces Koth Bagel as a new map gaining popularity in the competitive scene, emphasizing its unique gameplay compared to other Koth maps. Key points include the fast point capture mechanism, the importance of not accidentally capping and delaying team spawns, and the need for vigilance in stealing the point from the enemy. The map's central cover, referred to as the 'cylinder' or 'tube', is highlighted as a strategic spot for blocking or edging the cap. The role of healing and the team's defensive strategy against enemy cap attempts are also discussed.

05:02

🚀 Advanced Play and Positioning for Soldiers on Koth Bagel

This paragraph delves into the specifics of how soldiers should play on Koth Bagel, focusing on the map's three lanes and the importance of controlling the right lane to force the enemy into the soldier's line of fire. The speaker suggests using specific calls for the left and right flank rooms to avoid confusion and discusses the soldier's role in flanking and creating opportunities for big kills. The importance of medi packs for soldiers and the potential for aggressive ubers in the main area are also covered.

10:03

🏥 Medic Play and Uber Disadvantages on Koth Bagel

The speaker discusses the challenges medics face when retreating on an Uber disadvantage, highlighting the need for careful positioning near exits to avoid being trapped. The importance of forward holding is introduced, with strategies for soldiers and demos to control choke points and prevent the enemy from pushing through. The paragraph also touches on the underrated main area as a potential spot for soldiers to deal damage and the concept of trading places between soldier and demo during an Uber.

15:03

🛡️ Forward Holding and Breaking the Defense on Koth Bagel

The paragraph explains the concept of forward holding on Koth Bagel, detailing how soldiers and demos can work together to control the entry points and funnel the enemy into traps or into the line of fire. The importance of soldiers maintaining full health to effectively hold the position is emphasized. The speaker also provides tips on when to retreat and how to use the main area for aggressive Uber plays, noting the map's fast spawns which allow the offensive team to take risks.

20:03

🔄 Offensive Strategies and Flanking on Koth Bagel

This section covers offensive strategies, including the common default route and the importance of securing the left flank. The speaker suggests using the wider choke points to break through the defense and emphasizes the need for flank players to be willing to sacrifice themselves for the team's progress. The potential for sneaky plays and the role of the sniper in breaking forward holds are also discussed, along with the importance of managing the three lanes effectively.

25:05

🎖️ Final Tips and Advanced Strategies for Koth Bagel

The speaker wraps up with a variety of tips for playing on Koth Bagel, including using alternative routes when spawning, being aware of lurk spots, and utilizing ramp slides and pogos for quick access to the front lines. Advanced techniques like carpeting and sinking stickies are highlighted as important skills for demos. The paragraph concludes with additional forward hold strategies and an encouragement for teams to experiment with different approaches to find what works best for them.

Keywords

💡Koth Bagel

Koth Bagel is the name of the map being discussed in the video script. It is part of a competitive gaming scene and is known for its unique gameplay dynamics compared to other maps. The video focuses on strategies and tips for playing on this map, making 'Koth Bagel' a central concept in the script.

💡Point Cap

In the context of the video, 'Point Cap' refers to the action of capturing the point in the game. The script mentions that the point cap on Koth Bagel is incredibly fast, which influences gameplay strategy as teams need to be mindful of not accidentally capping and delaying their team's spawns.

💡Cover

'Cover' in the script refers to the protective structures or natural elements in the game environment that players can use to shield themselves from enemy fire. The central area of Koth Bagel is said to have a lot of cover, which is important for strategic positioning and defense.

💡Healing

Healing is a mechanic in the game where a medic character can restore health to teammates. The script emphasizes the importance of healing scouts as they attempt to capture the point or deny the enemy team's capture time, illustrating the supportive role of the medic in the game.

💡Aggression

The term 'Aggression' is used to describe a proactive and offensive approach to gameplay. The script notes that Koth Bagel is not ideal for aggressive play, particularly for soldiers, who are advised to be more 'spammy' until they are in a healthy state to make a significant push.

💡Health Packs

Health Packs are in-game items that restore health to players. The script mentions that there are many health packs available on Koth Bagel, which is beneficial for soldiers to maintain their health and continue their independent play.

💡Flank

Flanking refers to moving around the side or rear of an enemy to attack or defend from a different angle. The script discusses the importance of flanking on Koth Bagel, as it can provide opportunities for surprise attacks and strategic advantages.

💡Uber

In the game, 'Uber' likely refers to the Übercharge ability, which provides temporary invulnerability or enhanced abilities to a player. The script talks about the strategy of using Übercharge to push the point and the importance of coordinating during these pushes.

💡Demo

Short for 'Demoman', this refers to a specific character class in the game known for using explosives. The script provides several tips for Demo players, such as focusing on controlling lanes and using traps effectively on Koth Bagel.

💡Soldier

The 'Soldier' is another character class in the game, known for their rocket launcher. The script discusses the Soldier's role in holding lanes, spamming rockets, and the importance of their positioning and health in maintaining a forward hold.

💡Scout

The 'Scout' is a fast, agile character class. The script mentions the Scout's role in capturing the high ground, blocking enemy capture time, and the importance of their mobility in flanking and taking aggressive positions.

💡Medic

The 'Medic' is a support character class responsible for healing teammates. The script advises Medics to be mindful of their positioning, especially when retreating on Uber disadvantage, to avoid being trapped and killed.

💡Traps

Traps are in-game mechanisms that can be used to hinder or damage enemies. The script warns about the danger of traps, especially on Koth Bagel, and advises players to be aware of common trap placements to avoid being caught.

💡Carpeting

Carpeting refers to the strategy of placing a large number of explosive sticky bombs in an area to deter or damage enemies. The script describes carpeting as an effective tactic for Demo players on Koth Bagel, especially when combined with sinking stickies.

Highlights

Koth Bagel is a new map gaining popularity in the competitive scene with a fast point cap compared to other maps.

Players must be cautious not to accidentally cap and delay team spawns.

The map features a lot of cover, allowing for strategic edge capping and blocking enemy caps.

Healing the scout is crucial for denying cap time and stealing it from the enemy.

Soldiers should avoid being too passive and risk losing the point to the enemy.

The map is not ideal for aggression due to limited landing spots for soldiers.

Soldiers are advised to hold side lanes and spam, rather than thriving on the point.

Health packs are abundant, allowing soldiers to be independent.

Creating unique calls for flank rooms helps avoid confusion and improve communication.

Demo players should focus on controlling the right lane to force the enemy into soldier spam.

Flank routes are powerful for getting behind the enemy, especially when they are focused on the point.

Scouts should control high ground when possible to intimidate and block enemy cap time.

Demo players can carpet bomb the point effectively, forcing enemies to back into traps.

Med picks are essential for gaining the uber advantage and controlling the clock.

Medics need to be mindful of positioning near exits to avoid getting caught during retreats.

Forward holding is viable but requires careful positioning and health management.

Soldiers can be effective in the main area despite being at a height disadvantage.

Teams should be sneaky and try to overwhelm one side to gain an advantage.

Snipers can break forward holds with wide peaks, unlike on some other maps.

Rolling out of spawn can provide good sightlines and a potential lurk spot.

Soldiers can use ramp slides and pogos for quick health access and repositioning.

Carpeting and sinking stickies is a key technique for demo players on this map.

There are multiple viable forward hold strategies depending on team playstyle.

Transcripts

all right

we are here on koth bagel and uh it's

another one of those

new maps that is uh getting some

traction in the competitive scene so

people want to learn how to play it

it's a cough map but it plays very

different from viaduct

plays different from clear cut the other

cough maps that you may have played

so let's talk about it

first and foremost the most important

things to know about cough bagel

number one the point caps incredibly

fast

compared to viaduct compared to clear

cut this cap is super fast

so as a result the point will change

hands often

you have to be very careful not to

accidentally cap and delay your team

spawns when you don't want to

so be very mindful about accidentally

capping but also

be mindful about trying to steal the

point away

from the enemy team if they're playing

too passive be mindful of not being

about

not being too passive and just having

them steal the point from you

so the cap is really fast so you've

always gotta

keep an eye on it it also has a lot of

cover

this uh central little

thing i don't know what you call it

cylinder

um the tube maybe you call it the nipple

i don't know this thing gives you a ton

of cover

um and so you can often just

stand right here to either edge the cap

or block the enemy cap

because they'd have to they'd have to

peek really deep to actually hit you

so a lot of this map is going to be

about healing your scout

as he dances on the point to just deny

cap time or to edge

cap time and steal cap time all right

so that's a huge part of this map and

then the rest of the team is kind of

just

trying to stop that from happening the

entire time

so what does that look like this map

isn't

great for aggression because

soldiers don't have a lot of great uh

spots to land so soldiers don't tend to

just constantly bomb in all the time on

this map

like you might see on other maps

usually soldiers are going to be a lot

more spammy until

they're you know healthy and then do

like a

kind of surprise push or surprise

commitment type thing

that's not to say that soldiers can't

bomb this map you know you can bomb off

this wall

you can skip jump off the point all that

kind of stuff

but it's a lot more spammy usually

soldiers

aren't really going to thrive playing on

the point so they're going to be staying

away from the heels

there's health packs galore back here

back there over here down here

so soldiers are mostly going to be

pretty independent

for heels that's pretty normal on cough

but let's talk a little bit about what

the soldiers might do

so soldiers might hold these side lanes

this is very common

this map has three lanes it's got the

left lane it's got the point lane and

it's got the right lane

of course it is uh symmetrical so if you

push the right that's

you know the left from your perspective

it's it's it all

matches back up so one tip i'll give

people is to come up with a call

that just means the left side house

thing this thing

from your perspective and a call that

just means the right side house from

your perspective

because obviously they're both the same

room but

like geometry wise they're both the same

but you should have a unique

call my team has played around with

calls like naming them like

the season we played with patty we

called this one lefty or sorry

larry we call this one larry and we call

this one ronnie cause

l for left right for right or r for

right

but now we've been calling it lefty and

righty whatever rolls off the tongue

um unfortunately there's no like

specific geometry

like details that you could easily

identify so

those calls though are important because

no matter if you're on red or blue you

can use the same calls

if that makes sense so this would be

lefty

for my team that would be righty and

then if i'm on the other team

then this becomes lefty and that becomes

ready if that makes sense

um because if you just call left and

right uh that also can get confusing

with

these areas and these areas so um

i think having a specific call for these

flank rooms is a good idea

if that makes sense so

going back to the point soldiers usually

kind of just sit here and hold these

doorways

and spam you can peek into here from the

left side you get the height advantage

it's pretty nice damage is pretty

significant if you can spam through here

as well as a soldier

because you can hit people you can

splash the [ __ ] out of these stairs

you can splash the concrete and if

people are

trying to do this thing like i talked

about where scout's hiding here

um you can hit some fat rockets on them

right here

one thing i really like on this map is

to have your demo focus more on

controlling the right lane

of the point so that you can force them

to play

on the side of the point that this

soldier can hit

so that sort of synergizes well together

if that makes sense so if your demo

mostly controls the right

they might get forced to play this side

now they're getting forced into your

soldiers

spam so that can be a good um

you know set up to have

then on the other side you know your

soldiers can uh

your other soldier can watch this

usually we do combo like a

pocket over there roamer over here

that's generally

how we assign them but you could do the

opposite if you wish

um your roamer kind of responsible for

watching this

occasionally it's worth whether you're

on the left or the right side

to just poke and see if you have an

opening

um just sitting here and doing nothing

is not what you want

you don't just want your soldiers to be

kind of

standing here as a century necessarily

you always want to be looking for open

openings and opportunities because these

flank routes are actually incredible if

you push

them so while it's important to watch

them it's also important to flank

if you can get behind on either side

here

the flanks are insane because most the

time people are

standing around here trying to fight the

point like the combos

and so your flanks are golden as either

from either lane

because they won't see you coming so you

can get behind and hit some fat rockets

on people sitting around here

or coming from this angle you can come

around and hit some fat rockets from

here

scouts obviously can push these flanks

as well it's very common for

a scout and soldier to double up on one

of these sides

so say your flank scout and your roamer

would

patrol this side and they would get

buffed and then they'd both like bust

together

they'd look for something if they can't

get anything maybe they reset maybe they

push all the way maybe they cut into the

point and flank

so all that can be coordinated well with

your um with your flank

getting peels and then doing that but

i actually think the best way to play

this with your flank scout is to have

your flank scout rotating a lot

so that you're kind of keeping the enemy

team guessing as to what you're going to

try to push and overwhelm

if you always are pushing this lane

they can know that they just need to

have someone kind of playing safe

playing passive

because you're gonna bust in and then

maybe they can bait you into a trap or

maybe they can

you know meet you with heels and then

just get those kills every time

but if your flank scout is a little bit

more um

crafty he rotates around maybe sometimes

he supports the left side and pushes

this

sometimes he pushes the right side

sometimes he plays near the point kind

of rotating around

i think that is a much more effective

way to play this map as a flank scout

because you'll just get the element of

surprise a lot more often

um so

yeah another thing i want to mention

about soldier flanking is getting behind

not just flanking immediately but going

all the way behind one of my favorite

plays on soldier i generally watch this

left side

as a soldier is to just jump here and

then jump all the way behind

because you can do this quickly and be

unseen you have a health pack to get

and then you can you're just behind them

in lobby you can rocket jump up this

and often their team's going to be

backing into you

i got 3k on 3k on 3k doing this

because people are expecting to just be

able to back up into this health pack

they're backing up from maine they've

just taken a lot of damage and they just

funnel into this

a soldier flank from here is insanely

good so that's what i mean by looking

for those opportunities to flank

you don't just want to watch the flank

you want to push them sometimes because

that will get you those

big 3ks especially the med picks med

picks are always so important on viaduct

or sorry on coth whether it be viaduct

clear cut

bagel med picks are what give you the

uber advantage which buys time from the

clock which is ultimately what you're

trying to kill

right you're trying to kill the clock so

med picks win your team the round on

viaduct or

[ __ ] i keep saying viaduct on coth more

than other game types potentially

all right so let's talk about

um some other positions let's see scouts

definitely uh when you can especially

when you own the point

want to get control of this high ground

um

if you don't have a winger i don't even

know if winger will get you up there but

it's pretty easy to climb up on these

ledges get up here onto the point

you could do a quick little rap

through here and then jump up on the

point high ground is a scout always

important

you can dance pretty well on this height

jumping on and off just to intimidate

the enemy

continue to block their cap time from up

here

um and you know deny any sort of

airborne aggression so scouts should

look for those opportunities to get the

height you don't always want to just be

chilling down here

or you know whatever um other good spots

to be in

at the start of a mid i really like this

spot on this vent

gives you a good time uh sorry good

vision

you can see concrete you can see main by

the way we call this concrete

on my team call this main

call this vents you know we generally

call this lower

jump pad it's kind of this whole area

and then we call this like

uh upper lobby i guess um

but uh yeah so this is a good spot to

start because there's a scout here you

can get a lot of vision

you can see you know what side are they

stacking

you know are they doubling up putting

people to the left are they doubling up

putting people to the right

maybe that information you could convey

to your flank players so they know where

maybe they can overwhelm

um

then of course this roof is good very

common for this to be sticky so watch

out for that

there are some pretty good sticky spots

on this map this corner

you know this corner i saw a trap right

here this can kill you if you're kind of

like coming wide on the point right here

so traps are dangerous on this map other

traps that are good

on this curb right here you know above

here we'll talk about that more

in a bit um so be mindful of traps

especially if you're approaching the

point

um but the more common thing a demo is

going to do on this map and

you should always be watching out for

this or doing it if you are the demo

um is carpeting this map is really good

for carpeting you can stick these stairs

up

and people will fight on the point and

then back up a lot

a lot of times what demos do is they'll

shoot stickies up and then they'll just

sink the stickies down on the ground

and so people that are looking here

won't necessarily see the stickies

flying over their head

then they'll back up into them and get

insta-give so that's something to be

very careful of if you're not a demo if

you're a demo it's something you should

be doing

next thing we'll talk about is uh

let's just say let's talk about kind of

like

having uber and pushing the point this

map uh

it's very common in just uber exchange

right across the point since you have

pretty good cover

you can usually pop when you're like

right about here very important though

you say what side you're going

i've seen many many times a team

split up where one guy goes left one guy

goes right and they both expect to get

ubered but one of them gets dropped

so very important that you call what

side of the point you're pushing when

you're doing this uber push

um generally uh both are equally good

i mean you basically are going the same

distance the same way

maybe the right side is a little bit

more favored just because you get more

direct access to the concrete which is a

very common route to

for people to retreat so you can chase

so that's very important

one tip i'll give you guys i know it's

very common for a demo to go in a lot of

ubers but

don't underestimate the soldier in those

exchanges

i think that that has sort of fallen out

of fashion but it's something that

um should not be forgotten and should

not be underestimated

the soldier exchange with the scout

because the soldier has a lot more

mobility he can go behind he can jump

around to get people to get flashed

and he can also escape so

that's very important and if your demo

is just chilling back you can continue

to hold the point

he could take over and easily lock down

these side lanes

so um that that sort of rotation

with soldier and demo um trading places

during an uber

i mean you could have a different play

style right maybe a team likes to have

their soldiers fighting that near the

point

i mean you can't hit some fat ammo mod

directs on this point but you're going

to take a lot of damage

whereas demo is a little bit safer

because you can play a little bit

further back

you know do what your team does best

right i don't know your team's strengths

and weaknesses but

i'm just telling you how i think

it should be done all right next most

important thing

how do you position yourself when you're

at disad right because

a lot of times people are going to just

want to uber in right on you if you're a

medic

you really got to be mindful of these

exits this can be a nightmare to retreat

into because

you got to jump over this curve and you

got to go straight for this doorway

you might get caught in you might get

cut off and then you're you're dead

because you're stuck over here so if

you're a medic you need to be very

disciplined about positioning near the

exits if you're at

an uber disad it's very easy for people

to close distance on this map

so if i was a medic i probably wouldn't

want to jump off this curb

or i'd position myself like right here

because then i have this 90 degree

corner i can quickly turn and then i'm

not going to get hit and then i can dip

out to spawn

i can jump down here air strafe around

this corner whatever i need to do to

disappear

um i can even grab this health pack if i

take a bit of damage so

be very mindful of that if you're a

medic

for retreating on uber disad

next thing i want to talk about is um

forward holding all right

so forward holding is viable on this map

it's not quite as good as viaduct

nothing really is because viaduct has

those tiny doorways this map has big

doorways

and it's better than clear-cut clear-cut

has

four exits at a spawn and

uh this map only has three clear coat

has two

very massive exits this one has one

massive exit

but two relatively big ones so if we're

forward holding

a very common way to do it is to have

both soldiers up here top right

and then your demo trapping the lower

left

your demo can make this a nightmare to

push he can trap this doorway he can

trap like

on all these little spots you can trap

on the health pack

like he can make it really hard for

anyone to get through on this side and

survive

and your soldiers can do a lot of damage

with their rockets in this choke point

juggling people

most important thing on this forward

hold is just your soldiers health

by far the most important thing because

if your soldiers don't

both have 300 they cannot hold this

it's very difficult because they need to

be able to put out fat

rockets and that means getting close to

the choke i even like having

my soldiers get first contact in lobby

peeking this far with a buff

so they can potentially blast someone

right here you know

maybe get a kill but you know at least

kill the enemy team's buffs

and slow them down make it hard for them

to get through here

but it's it's really simple honestly

you're a soldier

you just spam literally like right here

maybe shoot this wall maybe shoot the

ceiling

um you can do a lot of damage just stuff

people right here

you also have really good vision of

people crossing so your objective here

is to

prevent them from uh getting through

either of these doorways

and basically funnel them this way into

your demo that's the idea

and then obviously then they have to

deal with traps and then you know all

that

you have vision to see when they rotate

so that's the forward hold basics uh

you'd probably have both soldiers here

your medic can play to retreat this way

especially if you're at disad and trying

to forward hold um

if you lose a player or if your players

take a lot of damage

generally it's better to just safely

retreat back to the point

instead of trying to stand here when

you're weak because people will bust

through here and they will fight you and

they'll do a lot of damage to you

and as i mentioned earlier the spawns

are very fast

the spawns are very fast when you're on

offense so people can afford to take

trades

they can sack and do all they want and

it's

basically you know no disadvantage for

them

so be careful about that um

so then let's let's flip the tables here

uh actually one last thing i want to

mention uh this main area is underrated

this can be a good spot even though it's

height disad for a soldier

a soldier can be really good in this

main area because you hit those fat

upward directs you can even splash this

ramp when people are like right here

sometimes you'll just splash someone

who's like chilling on this

you can do a lot of damage right here

and then you can quickly just turn

around the corner

and maybe bait people to chase you that

kind of crossfire can be really powerful

one soldier here one soldier here that

also allows this soldier to

sort of support this side a little bit a

scout can even be good here

um and then you can take aggressive

ubers you know through this area as well

i like coming in this main area to take

these aggressive ubers

um sometimes more than this side

because you can rocket jump through here

whereas this one you'd have to uh you'd

have a little bit more trouble rocket

jumping through this doorway

and landing where you want where's this

one it's easy to jump through

because you're already inside um

so yeah let's flip the tables now if you

are

uh pushing out what do you do

default generally is to come up here

most people

they default to this side um

you can get good vision you come out on

to the concrete area you can make sure

the left flank is secure from here you

got health packs

uh so this is generally where people

like to start

um and then they slowly will migrate

their way towards

you know this sort of position and then

take the point if the forward hold is in

place

you can have people just sacking in to

try to bust

you know try to like get people through

and just commit because

even one trade on a soldier or a force

you know anything like that is always

worth it if you're on offense and you

have

you know not over time zero seconds on

the clock

it's worth doing rather than just

sitting here getting spammed

so best thing to do call the time just

have people bust

you can bust through left you can bust

through here um

wherever another thing you could try is

rotating people this way

since it is wider generally if you stack

one guy on the trap everyone else can

get through

and once your team's through it's very

hard for them to like commit

far enough to push you out without dying

so sometimes someone just has to sack

for the team's sake to get through the

chokes

whether it be a soldier a scout whatever

be willing to do that if you are a flank

player that's sometimes your role

you got to just get your team through

the door

once your team's through the door then

you know they can start

setting up for the exchanges the edging

of the cap

all that kind of stuff um

what else can we talk about on this map

i think i covered just about everything

um

i do encourage teams to try to be sneaky

you know you can

put your combo through here sometimes

when you have ad because a lot of times

people will be like hanging around here

and they won't see it coming

um that can be cool

what else i've actually seen sniper be

decent on this map

uh because a sniper can wide peak right

here

and get a pretty good

vision of the whole map at least the

whole forward hole

section of the map so sniper can kind of

break a forward hold

on this map unlike on some other maps

so don't uh don't be afraid to bust out

the sniper

too if you're getting too forward held i

don't think it's necessary to bust out

the pyro

um like it might be on viaduct

uh i think it's just throw bodies at it

you know

what else is there to say what else is

there to say

i think that's kind of the overview of

the map um

it's a lot of trading the point back and

forth it's a lot of making sure that

the flanks are being watched and it's a

lot of

rotating heals or rotating you know to

overwhelm one side

and try and get people to get picks or

get people behind

that's a lot of what this map is um you

kind of have three lanes that you have

to manage at once so it can be very

chaotic

um but

yeah that's kind of how the map works

hopefully that uh gave you guys

some idea of the map it's hard to it's

hard to really

explain it all because this map has so

much chaos that

you're going to see a lot of crazy

situations but um

yeah i think that's the basics of cough

bagel um

what else what other tips can i give

just random tips

uh rolling out a spawn this actually can

be a good route to

come through because you have pretty

good vision and sight lines

um this can be a decent lurk spot

so if you're rolling on a spawn make

sure to check that

uh spawn's quite massive and don't

forget there are two exits that have

spawn

so that side door often forgotten

so in case you might be getting spawn

camped or spammed come out the side door

you'll usually be safe

um i can show like a quick

uh jump that might be useful

on soldier some ramp slides and pogos

let's see if i can hit it you jump off

this slide up this ramp

pogo here get to the health and reload

on your way out

so that can be a relatively quick way to

get to the front lines

um i imagine you could do something

similar on the other side

slide up this yeah that's pretty good

too

that's honestly even better because this

is a lot more open

you get a little more distance but uh

both soldiers you know could

use either route as a demo

um you jump here and then you can afford

to do a second jump and get this pack

on the uh the start of the round um

so yeah and then this is sort of what i

meant by uh

carpeting and sinking stickies just kind

of shoot stickies behind people

you shoot the stickies up and then you

shoot a sticky down and then it's like

suddenly they're just

swarmed by stickies something to get

good at when you're playing this map

um

there's potentially another forward hold

i'll just throw this out there real

quick where

a demo might trap this side might throw

some stickies in maine

and he can kind of hold this down spam

this hard and

just kill whoever comes through and then

your

uh your heels and your scouts are trying

to

stuff this on this side

so both are viable you know whatever

works better for your team

you could try it out

um any other tips for bagel any other

tips

um i think i think that mostly covers it

to be honest

mostly covers it so yeah hopefully that

helped good luck

on cough bagel everybody