IMPARTINDO O CORAÇÃO – Paternidade: Seu significado e suas virtudes.

Pastor Jucélio
12 Jun 201906:43

Summary

TLDRThis script delves into the concept of spiritual paternity versus pastoring, emphasizing the difference between caring for a flock and nurturing individuals. It discusses the importance of understanding the maturity of spiritual children and the challenges faced by pastors and their spouses when individuals leave the church. The speaker highlights the need for pastors to adapt their approach as their spiritual children grow, to avoid stifling their development. The discourse also touches on the biblical understanding of paternity, using the story of Elisha and Elijah to illustrate the concept of spiritual inheritance and the transition from protection to emancipation.

Takeaways

  • 🔄 The process of people detaching from a religious system and then being led by God to care for new 'flocks' is highlighted, emphasizing the challenge of reversing past wrongs from a flawed starting point.
  • 👨‍👧 The difference between 'paternidade' (fatherhood) and 'pastoril' (pastoral care) is discussed, with an emphasis on the nurturing aspect of fatherhood compared to the care aspect of pastoral work.
  • 🧑‍⚕️ The script uses the metaphor of 'mother caring' and 'father of medicine' to illustrate the roles of nurturing and guiding, respectively, in the context of spiritual leadership.
  • 📖 It is noted that the understanding of fatherhood, as depicted in the Bible, is exemplified by Elisha, who grasped the concept of spiritual inheritance when he received the mantle of Elijah.
  • 🏠 The difficulty for some people leaving the church is compared to the challenge a pastor's wife might face, as she is more involved in the nurturing aspect of the congregation.
  • 🛑 The importance of not traumatizing exits from a religious community is underscored, as it may prevent individuals from returning even if it is part of their destined path.
  • 🔄 The script discusses the need to reconnect with the 'original matrix' or the foundational principles of spiritual leadership, rather than reacting against past mistakes.
  • 👨‍👧‍👦 The challenge of parents, specifically pastors, understanding the growth and maturity of their children, and the potential for this misunderstanding to lead to conflict or estrangement.
  • 🎉 The script calls for celebration when children reach milestones, as a virtue of fatherhood, rather than viewing their independence as rebellion.
  • 👑 The concept of 'emancipation' is presented as a key aspect of fatherhood, where obedience is transformed into independence as children grow and mature.
  • 🤔 The potential confusion between a 'liberator' and a 'rebel' is mentioned, highlighting the importance of context and understanding in spiritual leadership.

Q & A

  • What is the main theme discussed in the transcript?

    -The main theme discussed in the transcript is the concept of 'paternidade' or fatherhood, particularly in the context of religious leadership and shepherding, and the importance of understanding and adapting to the changing needs of individuals as they grow and mature.

  • What is the difference between 'pastoreia' and 'paternidade' as mentioned in the script?

    -'Pastoreia' refers to shepherding or the act of taking care of a flock, while 'paternidade' is about fatherhood, which involves nurturing and guiding individuals in a more profound and personal way.

  • Why is it important to understand the difference between 'maternidade' and 'paternidade' in the context of the script?

    -Understanding the difference is crucial because 'maternidade' is associated with care and nurturing, while 'paternidade' is about guiding and providing direction. This distinction helps in better understanding the roles and responsibilities of religious leaders in nurturing their congregations.

  • What is the significance of the story of Elisha and Elijah in the script?

    -The story of Elisha and Elijah is used to illustrate the understanding of fatherhood in the religious context. When Elisha receives Elijah's mantle, it symbolizes the passing of leadership and the understanding of the responsibilities that come with it.

  • Why does the transcript mention the difficulty for a pastor's spouse to leave a church?

    -The difficulty for a pastor's spouse to leave a church is highlighted because they often have a deep emotional connection and a sense of duty, which can make the process of leaving traumatic if not handled with care and understanding.

  • What does the transcript suggest about the importance of recognizing the growth and maturity of individuals within a religious community?

    -The transcript suggests that recognizing the growth and maturity of individuals is vital for religious leaders to provide appropriate guidance and to avoid stifling the spiritual growth of their congregation.

  • How does the transcript relate the concept of 'emancipation' to the role of a religious leader?

    -The concept of 'emancipation' is related to the role of a religious leader by emphasizing the need for leaders to allow their followers to become independent and make their own decisions, which is a form of spiritual maturity and growth.

  • What is the role of 'paternidade' in the context of a religious leader's relationship with their congregation?

    -In the context of a religious leader's relationship with their congregation, 'paternidade' involves guiding, nurturing, and empowering the members to grow spiritually, rather than just providing care like a shepherd.

  • Why is it mentioned that doing the 'opposite of wrong' may not result in doing 'right' in the script?

    -The script mentions that doing the 'opposite of wrong' may not result in doing 'right' because if the initial reference point or understanding is flawed, any action taken from that flawed understanding will also be misguided.

  • What is the message conveyed about the importance of adapting to the changing needs of a religious community?

    -The message conveyed is that religious leaders must be adaptable and sensitive to the changing needs of their community, understanding when to provide care and when to encourage independence and growth.

Outlines

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🛑 The Misunderstanding of Paternity and Pastoral Care

This paragraph discusses the distinction between paternity and pastoral care within a religious context. It emphasizes that paternity involves nurturing and guidance, akin to a father's role, while pastoral care is more about tending to the spiritual needs of the congregation. The speaker illustrates this with the biblical story of Elisha inheriting the mantle of Elijah, symbolizing the understanding of paternity without grasping maternity. The paragraph also touches on the challenges faced by pastors and their families when leaving a religious system, highlighting the importance of understanding the role of paternity in guiding and not just tending to the flock.

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🚸 The Importance of Recognizing Maturity in Paternity

The second paragraph focuses on the evolution of a child's relationship with their parents, particularly in the context of paternity. It discusses the transition from protection to confinement as a child grows, and the need for parents to recognize and celebrate this maturation. The speaker uses the biblical example of Abraham celebrating Isaac's birth and growth to illustrate the importance of acknowledging the stages of a child's life. The paragraph also addresses the broader theme of rebellion and independence, suggesting that a lack of understanding of a child's developmental stage can lead to conflict and misunderstanding.

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Keywords

💡Paternity

Paternity refers to the role and responsibilities of a father. In the context of the video, it symbolizes guidance, authority, and the nurturing aspect of leadership, particularly in a religious setting. The script discusses the difference between paternity and shepherding, emphasizing that paternity involves a deeper, long-term investment in the growth and well-being of individuals, as opposed to the more immediate care of shepherding.

💡Shepherding

Shepherding is a term used to describe the act of guiding and caring for a flock, often used metaphorically in religious contexts to refer to the care of a spiritual leader for their congregation. The video contrasts shepherding with paternity, suggesting that while shepherding is about immediate care, paternity is about a deeper, more enduring form of care and leadership.

💡Religious System

The religious system in the video refers to the established structures and practices of organized religion. The script mentions people detaching from these systems and starting anew, indicating a critique of traditional religious structures and the desire for a more authentic or personal form of spiritual leadership.

💡Elisha

Elisha is a biblical figure who succeeded Elijah as a prophet. In the video, Elisha is mentioned as an example of someone who understood paternity, as he received the mantle of Elijah and continued his work. This serves to illustrate the concept of succession and the passing of authority and responsibility in a spiritual context.

💡Emancipation

Emancipation in the video refers to the process of becoming independent or self-governing, particularly in the context of spiritual growth and maturity. It is discussed as a virtue of paternity, where a father understands when to allow their child to become independent, which is a sign of healthy growth and development.

💡Rebellion

Rebellion is discussed in the video as a response to feeling trapped or confined, especially in the context of spiritual growth. It is contrasted with emancipation, suggesting that rebellion is a negative reaction to stifling authority, while emancipation is a positive and necessary step towards independence and maturity.

💡Pastor

A pastor is a religious leader or minister who tends to the needs of a congregation. The video discusses the challenges pastors face in understanding the balance between shepherding and paternity, and the importance of recognizing when their congregation members or spiritual 'children' are ready for greater independence.

💡Spiritual Growth

Spiritual growth is a central theme in the video, referring to the personal development of individuals in their spiritual journey. The script emphasizes the importance of spiritual leaders understanding and facilitating this growth, allowing for the transition from dependence to independence in a healthy and supportive manner.

💡Trauma

Trauma in the video is associated with the negative experiences individuals may have within religious systems, particularly when exiting these systems. It discusses the potential for 'traumatized exits' and the importance of allowing for healthy departures to prevent long-term emotional damage.

💡Inheritance

Inheritance in the video is used metaphorically to discuss the passing of authority, responsibility, and spiritual wisdom from one generation to the next. It is tied to the concept of emancipation, suggesting that the truest form of inheritance is not material wealth but the freedom and ability to lead and make decisions independently.

💡Protection vs. Prison

The video uses the metaphor of protection turning into a prison to illustrate the transition from childhood to adulthood in a spiritual context. It suggests that what was once a safe and nurturing environment can become restrictive if not adapted to the growing independence of the individual, highlighting the need for spiritual leaders to recognize and support this transition.

Highlights

The importance of distinguishing between 'paternidade' (fatherhood) and 'pastor' (pastorship), with fatherhood being about legacy and pastorship about care.

The role of mothers and fathers in nurturing and guiding their children, with different approaches and responsibilities.

The challenge of people leaving the church and the difficulty for pastors' wives to understand the reasons behind it.

The concept of 'emancipation' in the context of spiritual leadership, allowing for independence and growth of followers.

The need for pastors to understand the age and maturity level of their 'children' in the faith to provide appropriate guidance.

The potential for well-intentioned actions to still be misguided if they are based on a flawed starting point or reference.

The story of Elisha and the mantle of Elijah as an allegory for understanding true fatherhood without just the shepherding aspect.

The idea that protection can become a prison if not adapted to the growth and maturity of children, both spiritually and in life.

The importance of recognizing and celebrating the milestones and achievements of spiritual 'children' as they grow.

The potential for pastors to unintentionally traumatize the departure of individuals from their congregations due to misunderstandings or mishandlings.

The need to reconnect with the 'original matrix' or foundational principles when trying to correct past mistakes in religious systems.

The impact of past negative experiences on current educational and religious practices, and the importance of learning from them.

The story of Isaac and Abraham as an example of celebrating and recognizing the growth of spiritual 'children'.

The potential confusion between a 'liberator' and a 'rebel' in the context of spiritual leadership and independence.

The importance of discernment in spiritual leadership to avoid stifling the growth and independence of followers.

The analogy of a child growing from needing protection to seeking emancipation, and the need for parents and leaders to adapt.

The role of music in the transcript, possibly used to emphasize points or provide a reflective pause in the discussion.

Transcripts

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então pessoas se desatar de sistema

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religioso e começar o deus levou eles a

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cuidar de novas pessoas rebanhos e eles

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agora estão tentando fazer o contrário

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daquele errado e e quando você trabalha

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para fazer o contrário do errado você

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não faz um certo porque seu ponto de

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partida referência e deu errado a partir

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de errado você não faz nada certo

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então vamos falar sobre a questão da

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paternidade de sting

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vamos falar sobre paternidade destina e

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isso é muito importante porque

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paternidade é diferente pastoreia quem

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tem necessidade só de pastoreio se fruta

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com a paternidade porque porque pastor

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ele tem a ver com cuidado a paternidade

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tem a ver com piscina

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por isso que mãe cuida e pai da medicina

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que havia uma mãe quando pega o bebê no

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colo ela pega o evento no qual traz pra

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ela o pai já havia joga pra cima porque

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mãe cuida podem vir então quem tem

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necessidade de pastoreio ele se frustra

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a paternidade quem só quer o pastoreio

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sabe o mundo os cara na bíblia

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alegoricamente que mais entendeu

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paternidade foi eliseu porque quando

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envia sobe ea capa de elias cai na mão

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deles e eles vão pegar aquela capa e

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batina no no rio jordão e diz adeus

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elias entendeu paternidade sem entender

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a maternidade lhe dizer cadê o elias de

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deus porque muito da igreja quer eles de

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deus

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mas quando você enxerga o deus beleza

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beleza observa está perto mas ele estará

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por que você conheceu deus dele e isso é

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compreender paternidade por isso que a

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maioria das pessoas que às vezes sai da

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igreja é muito mais difícil às vezes a

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esposa do pastor entender do que o

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pastor porque mãe cuida do pai da

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medicina

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então mesmo que ele saia mal o pastor

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até entende mas a esposa do pastor quase

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sempre têm dificuldade e ela normalmente

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traumatizada a saída e você precisa

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deixar sair mesmo que seja automático

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porque vamos imaginar que você é um

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pastor e deus me colocou na sun seu

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rebanho e e está escrito no livro da

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vida que o meu destino é com você é

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serviços e e está envolvido na obra com

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você mas de repente eu quero tomar como

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o filho pródigo quero me era adiantado

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ainda hoje acho que eu sei muita coisa o

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suficiente até para reprovar você então

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eu vou sair e você vê que estou saindo

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errado de forma errada você tem a

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tendência de o que traumatiza a minha

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saída mas

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mas ainda não tem jeito aí eu saio vovó

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mas como está escrito pelo meu destino é

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com você vai chegar uma hora que eu vou

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querer um boato de por aí eu cai em si e

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eu vou voltar porque está escrito só pra

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mim mas eu não volto porque porque você

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traumatizou a minha saída mas se a mp no

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meu destino

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mas se você não traumatizá a minha saída

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quando eu de lá nesse final da bolota de

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pô eu vou voltar pra você quando eu

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voltar eu volto e dando uma honra uma

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autoridade que isso ficasse vídeo com

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vocês aí não dá

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o pastor que entende isso ele sofre

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muito menos e agrega muito mais

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uma das coisas que eu tenho aprendido

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sobre paternidade de forma aplicável no

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contexto da igreja hoje é que nós

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estamos tendo os nossos centros de

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ensino influenciado por experiências que

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foram ruins do passado coisas que foram

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erradas então pessoas se desatar de

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sistema religioso e começar o deus levou

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eles a cuidar de novas pessoas rebanhos

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e eles agora estão tentando fazer o

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contrário daquele errado e e quando você

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trabalha para fazer o contrário do

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errado você não faz um certo porque seu

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ponto de partida referência ainda ao

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errado a partir do errado você não faz

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nada certo é preciso conectar com a

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matriz original e como nós vivemos no

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passado

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é a experiência de muitos pastores que

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se tornaram donos igreja e filhos

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cresceram se tornaram ilustres e eles

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continuaram mantendo esses filhos é

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tornando eles como criança

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só que já eram adultos e pai pai que

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continua tratando filho filho que cresce

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ele continua atrasando esse filho quando

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criança ele perde filhos ilustres muitos

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filhos e duas foram perdendo porque eles

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crescendo o pai continuou tratando ele

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quando criança ele tem que pedir no

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culto ali que aconteceu pessoa se

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desatar no sistema e continuar a obra de

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deus

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só que agora estou tentando fazer o

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contrário daquilo que possa tratar filas

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criança como um adulto dá errado também

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porque tentando fazer o contrário do

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errado em uma das maiores erros

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onde da paternidade é o pai compreender

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a idade do filho porque porque a herança

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você não dá um dia a herança maior que

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se tem no reino é a emancipação é quando

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você vai mais se quando filho e você vai

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compreendendo porque sabe de uma coisa

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aquilo que era proteção quando muda a

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idade e vira prisão

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sabe quando você nasceu a tua mãe te

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colocou num cercadinho era proteção pra

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você

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mas o dia que você cresceu aquilo passou

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a ser prisão e seus pais não compreende

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que o filho cresce o que era a proteção

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para ser preso passa a ser prisão e ele

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deixa de ser um filho amado agradável

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para um rebelde quando na verdade não é

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ele só cresceu

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então nós precisamos compreender e

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discernir a idade dos filhos

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como eles vão crescendo para ser

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emancipado porque vai você permite uma

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obediência que emancipa porque o

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propósito obediência a emancipá agora

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proposta rebeldia é tornar independente

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por isso que o diabo faz com que as

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pessoas se tornem rebelde porque

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trabalha com a independência agora

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precisa entender uma coisa todo

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libertador em algum momento vai ser

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confundido com um rebelde porque davi

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foi um libertador até ser muito elogiado

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se tornou rebeldes mas era o último da v

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então uma das virtudes da paternidade é

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de ser meio a idade do filho quando

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isaac nasceu abraão celebrou

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mas quando eles maloa abraão fez festa

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nós precisamos aprender a fazer festa

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quando os filhos smam

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esse é um dos temas as virtudes da

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paternidade

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