Will Sacking Pochettino Cause Chelsea's DOWNFALL

The Kick Off
22 May 202422:29

Summary

TLDRIn a surprise move, Chelsea Football Club's manager was dismissed mid-season, causing shockwaves among fans and pundits. The discussion revolves around the unexpected decision and its implications for the team's future. The panelists express their astonishment, considering the recent string of good performances and the apparent disconnect between the board's actions and the fans' expectations. They speculate on potential reasons for the manager's departure, including disagreements over player transfers and the board's vision for the club. The conversation also touches on the impact on players, the search for a new manager, and the challenges ahead for Chelsea in the next season.

Takeaways

  • 😲 The hosts express shock at Chelsea's decision to part ways with their manager, Poch, after a series of good performances and wins.
  • 🤔 There is a perceived disconnect between the fans and the board, with fans seemingly in support of Poch and the board making the unexpected decision.
  • 🔥 The fan base is not pleased with the board's actions, as indicated by social media polls showing a high percentage in favor of Poch remaining.
  • 🚀 The hosts speculate that Chelsea's board may have a different vision for the club that doesn't align with the fans' or the recently dismissed manager's.
  • 🤝 There were signs of a potential split, such as the absence of Poch in end-of-season parades and speeches, and odd behavior in press conferences.
  • 🧐 The board's actions seem abrupt and disconnected from the club's recent progress, causing confusion and frustration among fans and players.
  • 👥 There is speculation about who is truly in control at Chelsea, with mentions of Todd Boehly owning 30% and questions about the club's leadership.
  • 🤷‍♂️ The hosts discuss the potential impact on Chelsea's players, who have shown improvement under Poch and may be uncertain about their future.
  • 🏆 There is a general agreement that Chelsea needs a manager with a proven track record of success, rather than someone who might be a 'yes man' for the board.
  • 🤔 The future of Chelsea seems uncertain, with the hosts questioning the wisdom of the board's decision and its implications for the club's upcoming season.
  • 👀 The hosts also touch on the potential candidates for the managerial position, with names like Kieran McKenna and others being mentioned, but none seem to inspire confidence or excitement.

Q & A

  • What was the immediate reaction of the fans to Chelsea's manager being let go?

    -The immediate reaction was shock and disbelief, as the fans and even the manager himself were not expecting this decision, especially after a series of good performances by the team.

  • What was the general sentiment among the fans regarding Poch's management of Chelsea?

    -The sentiment was largely positive, with polls showing around 80% support for Poch remaining as manager, indicating that the fan base was on board with his direction for the team.

  • How did the timing of the manager's dismissal affect the fans' perception of the board's decision?

    -The timing of the dismissal, coming after a string of wins and good performances, increased the disconnect between the fans and the board, leading to a sense of frustration and confusion among supporters.

  • What were some of the signs that indicated potential issues between the manager and the board?

    -There were several signs, including the absence of a speech from the manager in the program notes and some unusual behavior during the end-of-season press conference, suggesting that not all was well behind the scenes.

  • How did the CEO's public statements on patience and progression contrast with the club's decision to dismiss the manager?

    -The CEO's statements advocating for patience and progression in the squad seemed to be at odds with the sudden dismissal of the manager, leading to questions about the club's direction and the trustworthiness of the CEO's words.

  • What was the discussion regarding the involvement and presence of Todd Bley at Chelsea games?

    -There was a noted decrease in Todd Bley's presence at games and a seeming separation between him and the club's operations, suggesting a minimal involvement in the club's management.

  • What are the implications of Man City potentially receiving a points deduction for Chelsea's standing?

    -If Man City were to receive a points deduction, it could significantly improve Chelsea's position in the league, making them one of the top teams.

  • How did the panel view the impact of the manager's dismissal on rival fans' perceptions of Chelsea?

    -The panel believed that rival fans would not be worried about Chelsea's prospects for the next season following the manager's dismissal, which is the opposite of the intended effect.

  • What was the general opinion on the social media posts by players regarding the manager's departure?

    -The panel expressed that they did not care much about the social media posts, suggesting that the sporting directors likely do not prioritize the opinions expressed on social media.

  • How did the panel assess the improvement of players under the manager's guidance?

    -The panel acknowledged that several players had improved under the manager's guidance, which was a point of contention earlier in the season.

  • What was the consensus on the board's decision-making process and the club's direction?

    -The consensus was that the board's decision-making process was not aligned with the fans' vision, and there was a sense that the board may not have a clear understanding of what they were doing.

Outlines

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😮 Shocking Managerial Exit at Chelsea

The panelists express their astonishment over Chelsea's decision to part ways with their manager, Poch, after a series of positive results. They discuss the unexpected timing following five wins and a significant fan disconnect with the club's board. The absence of a farewell speech from Poch and the oddities surrounding the end-of-season events hint at underlying issues. The panel also speculates on the club's future direction, with the CEO's recent statements contrasting sharply with the club's actions, suggesting a lack of alignment and trust.

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🤔 The Impact of Chelsea's Managerial Change on Rivals

The conversation shifts to the potential impact of Chelsea's managerial change on rival clubs, particularly Manchester City and Newcastle. The panelists consider the implications of a points deduction for Man City and how Chelsea's instability might influence their own club's prospects. They also discuss the possibility of Chelsea's new management adopting a more cautious approach, contrasting with the aggressive strategy of the previous season.

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📈 Chelsea's Performance and Managerial Decisions

The panel delves into Chelsea's performance under Poch, acknowledging the improvement in several players and the team's developing identity. They question the board's decision to dismiss Poch, especially given the club's positive trajectory. The discussion includes the potential reasons for Poch's departure, such as unmet demands and a possible disagreement with the board's vision for the club's future.

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🤝 Speculations on Chelsea's Next Manager

The panelists speculate on who might become Chelsea's next manager, considering the club's need for a proven winner with top-level experience. They discuss potential candidates, including Kieran McKenna and the manager from Leicester, noting the lack of fan excitement for these options. The conversation also touches on the club's strategy, suggesting a preference for a younger, more malleable manager.

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🏆 The Future of Chelsea and Poch

The panel concludes by discussing the potential outcomes for both Chelsea and Poch. They consider the possibility of Poch moving to Manchester United and the implications for Chelsea's season. The panelists also reflect on the club's management strategy, questioning the board's competence and the potential risks for any manager taking on the Chelsea role.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Kickoff meeting

A kickoff meeting is an organizational event that marks the official start of a project or initiative. In the context of this video script, it refers to the beginning of a discussion or analysis session. The script mentions an 'emergency kickoff meeting,' indicating an impromptu gathering to discuss a sudden and significant event, which in this case is the managerial change at Chelsea Football Club.

💡Meltdown

In the context of the script, 'meltdown' refers to an emotional or mental breakdown, often caused by overwhelming stress or disappointment. The term is used to describe the reaction of fans, particularly of Chelsea, to the unexpected departure of their manager. It suggests a strong emotional response to the situation, highlighting the passion and investment fans have in their team's management and performance.

💡Manager dismissal

The term 'manager dismissal' refers to the termination of a manager's contract or position, often due to performance issues or disagreements with the club's direction. In the script, the dismissal of Chelsea's manager is a central topic, with the hosts expressing shock and discussing the implications of this decision on the team and its fans.

💡Fan base

The 'fan base' refers to the collective group of supporters who follow and are emotionally invested in a sports team. The script discusses the disconnect between Chelsea's fan base and the club's board, indicating that the fans' desires and expectations may not align with the decisions made by the club's management. This highlights the importance of fan sentiment in the context of a football club's operations and decision-making.

💡Board

In the context of a football club, the 'board' refers to the governing body or group of directors who oversee the club's operations, make key decisions, and set its strategic direction. The script suggests a perceived disconnect between Chelsea's board and the fans, particularly in relation to the manager's dismissal, indicating a potential conflict of interest or vision.

💡Performance turnaround

A 'performance turnaround' is a significant improvement in performance or results after a period of underperformance. The script mentions that Chelsea had recently experienced a turnaround with five wins, suggesting a positive shift in the team's form. This context is crucial as it contrasts with the timing of the manager's dismissal, which occurred despite this upswing in performance.

💡Transfer window

The 'transfer window' is a period during which football clubs can buy and sell players. It is a key time for clubs to strengthen their squads. The script discusses the manager's vision for the team, including his preferences for retaining certain players and possibly moving on others during the transfer window, indicating the strategic importance of this period in shaping a team's future.

💡Man management

Man management refers to the ability of a manager to effectively lead, motivate, and handle the players in their team. The script mentions that the dismissed manager was highly regarded as a man manager by the players, suggesting that his interpersonal skills and ability to work with the team were valued, despite the decision to part ways.

💡Rival fans

In the context of sports, 'rival fans' are supporters of competing teams who may have differing opinions and vested interests in the outcomes of matches and managerial decisions. The script speculates on how rival fans might perceive Chelsea's managerial change and its potential impact on the team's performance in the future.

💡New manager

The term 'new manager' refers to an individual who has been appointed to lead and manage a sports team. The script speculates on potential candidates to become Chelsea's new manager, discussing their qualifications, past performances, and the possible impact they could have on the team's direction and success.

💡Premier League

The Premier League is the top level of the English football league system and one of the most prestigious and competitive football leagues in the world. The script mentions the Premier League in the context of discussing managerial changes, player performances, and the competitive landscape of English football.

Highlights

Chelsea's manager was unexpectedly dismissed after a series of good performances, causing shock among the fans and pundits.

Fans and the board are not on the same page, indicating a disconnect due to the sudden manager change.

Polls show that a majority of the fan base supports the former manager, 'Poch', and are against his dismissal.

The dismissal came as a surprise after signs of progression and momentum at the end of the season.

There were odd occurrences towards the end of the season that hint at the manager's departure, such as the lack of mention in program notes.

CEO's statements about patience and progression were not aligned with the club's direction, causing confusion.

Todd Boehly's involvement with the club has been minimal, raising questions about who is truly in control.

Opposing clubs may be relieved or happy about Chelsea's situation, as it could impact their performance next season.

The potential for Man City to face a points deduction could have significant implications for Chelsea's league position.

The board's vision for Chelsea seems to be at odds with the fans' expectations and the manager's plans.

The manager's relationship with the players was strong, and he was instrumental in their development.

Fans are concerned about the future direction of the club and its management after the dismissal.

The board's decision to dismiss the manager may have been influenced by his demands for specific players.

The potential new manager, Kieran McKenna, is not well-known among Chelsea fans and may not be a popular choice.

The club's management is considering a younger manager who might be more compliant with their vision.

De Zerbi, a potential new manager, has a different management style and may not align with Chelsea's needs.

The management's decision could lead to a situation similar to Brighton's, where changes in management did not result in success.

The dismissal has left fans and pundits questioning the board's strategy and the club's future.

Transcripts

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emergency kickoff meeting welcome back

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to the kickoff I'm joined by Joey Josh

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and KJ uh as Joey and Josh went into

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meltdown late last night as Chelsea lost

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their manager just after Joy sitting on

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the kickoff seeing that poch might be a

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Sher a contender next season as one of

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the managers of the Season uh immediate

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reaction boys I'll go with you Joey how

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are you feeling shocked literally

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completely completely shocked I had no

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idea that this was coming we were always

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told that there was going to be a

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meeting um at the end of the season but

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typically in football if something like

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this is going to happen you're expecting

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it to happen say for example after the

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5-nil defeat to Arsenal after the 4-1

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4-1 loss at amfield even after the 4-1

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loss at your place St james' park it

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never came when we were expecting it to

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so for it to come off the back of five

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wins six really good performances by the

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way have you include the Aston Villa

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draw if it was um if it was sort of one

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high-profile win say we had have gone

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and got a win over man city but the rest

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of the form hadn't been great I could

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sort of understand it but I don't think

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that anyone can deny when you get five

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wins on the bounce and you're playing

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good football clearly some sort of

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corner had been turned so for it to

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happen now just puts more and more of a

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of a a a border between us and the board

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itself because clearly the fan base are

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not on the same page as the board do you

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feel that as well Josh there's a

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disconnect there because it felt like

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the fan base had finally gotten on board

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with poch now I'm I'm really surprised

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that the fan base hasn't gone even more

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ballistic than it has to I've been

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seeing polls by the way that are still

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like 80% poch in like 75% put in like

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all over Twitter by the way and so it's

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quite clear where the fan base are at

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this stage like the fan base really

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wanted this guy to continue we saw the

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sort of light at the end of the tunnel

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we saw progression and momentum at the

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end of the season and we thought it was

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going to go into next season Joe and I

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sat here doing our our podcast talking

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on all about Chelsea saying we're gonna

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be right up there we've never been

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happier honestly as chel F the last two

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or three years and then we get a bomb

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show like this it came out of nowhere

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didn't think it was going to be on

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Tuesday night we thought it might be

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towards the end of the week portino said

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he was going to be sticking around

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London then going on his holidays mate

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it like it just came completely out of

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the blue and that's why we're all so

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shocked it just felt so sudden and so

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abrupt it it it didn't feel connected to

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the season and yet saying that there

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were moments towards the end of the

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season where you then look back on it

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now and you're going oh actually do you

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know what there were some signs there

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that we weren't quite sure on there were

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some weird things like at the end of the

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season you know they do the parades and

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they they do the speeches no poch speech

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in the program notes there was no

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mention of Marcio Postino at all there

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was some weird things going on and like

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even his press conference at the end of

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the season like it didn't see it there

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was something weird about that like he

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was talking didn't he make a joke about

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getting sucked or something oh man he

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said he said so many things I mean he

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made a joke about going to dinner with

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Todd Bley and we had a lovely time

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honest give me 10 minutes about that

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dinner yeah but give me 10 minutes about

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that Todd Bley dinner like Todd Bley I

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think was very much po in I think he's

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taken him out for dinner I think he's

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apologized him I think he said look I've

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been overruled here I don't agree with

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this let me take you out for a Swanky me

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to to apologize because quite frankly he

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seemed like he was his guy he did a

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press conference the other day in the

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United States by the way where he was

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saying we need to talk about patience we

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need to talk about having a progression

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in a squad we need to talk about how who

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did this press conference was

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that to B and then and then three days

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later he sacks the manager what does it

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say though when your own CEO like the

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the gaffa of the club is saying things

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that aren't aligning with the direction

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of the club like even under Mike Ashley

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at Newcastle we never seen we knew where

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we stood at the very least there was a

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clear direction of what was going to

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happen the fact that you're on guffer

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you can't even trust the words he's

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saying well Who the hell's controlling

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this club then who's the guffer to Todd

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byy owns 30% who who is the gaffer we

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got that's that's exactly it though

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isn't it like as the as the time has

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gone on we've progressively started to

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realize that we were sold this vision of

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Todd Bley coming in and running Chelsea

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Todd B's involvement is minimal he

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doesn't come to games he was coming to

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games at the start he now doesn't really

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come to games he used used to be hand

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inand with egg barley him and egg barley

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famously marched across the Stanford

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Bridge pitch to go and give Raheem

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Sterling a bollock in after he hadn't

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scored in a against a relegation

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threaten team or something last season

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and now all of a sudden you do not see

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Todd Bley and egg Bary together you

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don't hear them talk about each other

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they are very much separate entities in

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Chelsea right now when you look you know

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what's crazy about Chelsea and cuz I

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called Josh as soon as this thing

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happened I said I just got to call a

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Chelsea fan right now and we need to

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understand what's going on what what is

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it what is this no because think about

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next season if Man City are going to get

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a points deduction yeah Chelsea would be

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one of the best teams which they are kg

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20 20 to1 to go down kg put your bets on

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now boys 20 20 to1 for Man City to go

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down 33 to one yesterday yeah yeah yeah

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definitely S I think you can always you

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can always judge how a club's moves by

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how the opposition around them I feeling

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about it and like obviously Newcastle

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and man had finish right around Chelsea

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I don't know about you kg but them lot

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was starting to turn the corner a bit I

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think we're probably pretty happy about

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this really happy this is the thing so

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cuz like you L know how I feel about you

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know how I feel about Jacob's team in it

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so then I was like well they're the

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they're the best position I don't really

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I don't have any ill feelings towards

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Chelsea what the hell's going on why

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have you not made such a weird move but

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then you're really understanding that

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Todd B it's a Consortium Todd B's come

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in and they said you know what to make

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the Chelsea fans feel better let's tell

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them this is their new Roman Abramovich

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so he's coming and he's the face of this

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Consortium well guess what happens the

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first season he goes crazy starts buying

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all mad players and stuff and then he

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lost the the the hope and the faith of

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the people that are on Consulting with

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him they said big man you're going over

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here we're going to move this club

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forward and what you're now what you're

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now looking at is they just elected the

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next person to stand in because he had a

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meeting with um um poch not too long ago

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like did the dinner and that heard there

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was another dinner a few days later with

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this guy that you're mentioning now and

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he's going to be the main guy running

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things going forward he's going to be

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the face of the club it's it's mental

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it's running like the WWE is there is

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there a possibility is there a

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possibility Jens and speaking of the

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Chelsea fountains specifically here we

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always talk about what a club should do

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and earlier this season if someone had

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said we've already seen enough from poch

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it's not good enough we've made one mind

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up now even if he turns it around we've

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made one mind

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up some people would have said if if

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when you hear pundits on TV they go

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don't say anything just tread water keep

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keep things business as usual at the end

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of the season then you suck them some

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people might argue that they've done

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things yet in the proper way would you

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would you say that that's a fair or

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disagree that I I don't think in any

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form of life you can treat relationships

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like that like if you're had a

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girlfriend and you're planning on

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splitting up with her don't go around

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there one last time for a bit of you

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know what it's going to end it's going

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to end in tears we were planning on

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splitting up with poino we should have

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done it when he gave us the opportunity

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to do it because what they've then done

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is they've then let poino get his feet

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under the table start to put out some of

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the fires start to actually get a squad

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that is in His image that's the key

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thing we spent the entire season having

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not a clue what we were going to get

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from Chelsea we were you need to believe

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her out of you specifically joy out of

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me out of me towards towards the end of

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the season because I had turned on it

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and I sort of felt to myself like right

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okay I'm not g to scream from the

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rooftops about wanting this guy out but

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I also don't really want him in and

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towards the end of the season I really

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really started to see patterns of play I

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really really started to see an identity

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to the team so and again this is another

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thing we say about making um making

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rival fans sort of cautious of our next

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move let's say for example when we go

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out and sign 100 million pound player

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right we all know that this could go

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wrong this could be really bad but until

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it goes wrong I think if you're a rival

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fan and you see Chelsea go and sign a

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kaiso I think there's going to be that

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part of you that thinks oh this could go

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well for them this guy could improve

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them I don't think there is a rival fan

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of a Premier League club right now who

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is looking at the dismissal of poino and

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thinking oh we need to worry about

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Chelsea next season it's done the

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opposite yeah what do you Lads think

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about the players because there's some

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players there for example I see was it

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Enzo a couple of them who've played

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under however many umine managers

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already in such a short space of time

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there was a lot of social media posts

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particularly Cole Palmer you really

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should care about what your main players

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are posting about a manager going out

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the door that should matter what did you

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make of all the social post SLS I don't

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I don't think care about what anyone

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thinks to be honest with you I don't

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think those sporting directors give a

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[ __ ] about what we think as fans that's

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very clear because the fans want him to

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stay I don't think they care about you

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know what the players want the the

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players said that this guy is one of the

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best man managers they've ever deal

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dealt with that's quotes from like quite

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a few different players and they all

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really appreciated him a said you made

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my dreams come true like w that is a

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hell of a lan wow exactly and and and we

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were talking about this yesterday we

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were going Jackson's got better kao's

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got better K carella's got better

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Gallagher's got better Gusto's got

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better even Cole Palmer has improved

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throughout the season like we could go

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on and and you know what this was funny

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actually because I remember on the

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kickoff we were saying that has he

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improved players and now the answer is

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yes he has improved players so to to

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sort of do it in this moment now when

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the the momentum was there we were all

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improving as a squad all of the players

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were actually building we were actually

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going for the moment where yeah we've

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got a squad of young players but now

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they're young players that are improving

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and they're going to the next level of

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their careers to to rip that out it's it

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feels

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super weird but as I said you think it's

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a standards thing Lads do you think this

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is a simple case of six at the start of

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the Season would have been seen as a

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bare minimum for the outlay and for the

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level of coach that they thought they

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were getting and he's just not met the

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standards and for that reason you're

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sucked no CU otherwise why would they

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have chosen the words that they chose to

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go with all season when they were

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talking about patience and trusting the

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process and building around a manager

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it's very clear to anyone who has watch

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Chelsea at all and watch the business

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that we do this season what has happened

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right po chatino has had his demands and

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the board have said to him you are not

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going to get those so now you need to

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make the decision whether you want to be

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here or not and if you can't move

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forward and and by the way these demands

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right they're not poino saying I want a

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100 million to spend on another Midfield

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pivot they're not poino saying I want

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you to go and get osaman and pay double

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the price if you need to they poino

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going Lads these two players I've used

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this season Trevor Chala Conor Gallagher

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they've they've been really really good

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for me they're really key in the

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dressing room I'd love it if we kept old

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of them can we look at maybe moving on

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some of the players that I don't fancy

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so much that would have been what it is

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it doesn't take a genius to work this

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out and then what you've got to think is

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this right if the board's Vision does

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not align with the fans there's not that

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much we can do about that right we're

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sort of stuck in this situation and you

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know we're going on the track record of

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your own club Brian we might be in this

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situ ation for a long time but to hear

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that the manager Vision aligns with the

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fans I.E I do want a couple of 25 plus

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year olds in there I do want to keep

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hold of Conor Gallagher and Trevor Chala

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and I don't want you to go mad in this

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transfer window that's music to our ears

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that's they've already done it as well

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they've already gone in and put there's

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this young um Brazilian that they're

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bringing in That's supposed to be what

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70 million on sign on that's that's

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stavio again they're saying that he's

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he's a like a big player amazing player

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but then the issues that you can tell po

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was having is there's just too many

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players in the team and he can't he

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can't even do it I remember that

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remember that press when he said they me

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they named the player that he had two

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players and he said who and that same

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that same player malar and that same

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players liked the um the post of him

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being being leaving the club you know so

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you can tell right now he could piss

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right off mate he's on he's on more than

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Cole Palmer kg than Co Palmer that so he

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he could piss off when it comes to

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bringing in a new manager they've been

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linked with I mean even who's just come

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up from the championship McKenna on

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Kieran K it doesn't look like it's

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inspiring Joy very much yeah um do you

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know how many times this season I've

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been at Stanford bridge and heard the

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fans saying they want Kieran McKenna in

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none no one knows who he is I feel like

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because they're clearly wanting a Yes

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Man type manager that they may look for

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a younger man because he's easier to

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keep control of as opposed to someone

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like PCH yeah and also I think that when

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you when you sort of list out the

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accolades and the achievements Proven

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Winners have got too much behind them to

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be able to stand this sort of nonsense

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whereas possibly a Kieran McKenna for

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example and nothing against Kieran

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McKenna he's done a great job but

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possibly a Kieran McKenna for example

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might be more someone in the mold that

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you would be able to just say these are

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your tools I don't care if they're not

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the tools for the job you run with it

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and that's why we're now seeing Kieran

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McKenna um so Enzo from from from

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leester the manager from Leicester I

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don't really know what the connection is

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there personally I have actually watched

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a lot of Leicester this season they've

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been all right they've been all right

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but they've got the highest pay the

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highest wage salary of any team that has

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ever been in the championship in the

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whole existence of the league you would

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want that team to win that league so

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when you you can look at that and you

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can go ah well he's a Pep Guardiola man

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he he used to be the assistant coach to

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pet and if we look at Arta yes brilliant

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but we can also and I'm not trying to B

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here we can also look at ten hog he was

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Pep's assistant it doesn't necessarily

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mean all that much but the B and Endo is

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this here and this kage like milk I've

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heard that the deal's already done and

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it's theer I believe I was going to say

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guys I was going to say that I actually

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do believe it's the Zerby again you

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bought in juel he's coming you you've

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literally tried to do Brighton 2.0 and

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the difference is at the Zerby like he's

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almost felt this but in a negative way

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where he's had a situation when at at

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bright they'd sell anyone he have no say

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on who goes out the door at least in

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this situation at Chelsea well he has no

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say who's coming in but at least he's

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got good players in so he ain't he still

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hasn't got a say but he can still

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get Josh Josh has put his head on a

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mform I take it you're not a f of

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deserie Josh mate I honestly never want

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to deal with Brighton again I just can

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we just draw a line over it and just say

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we don't want to deal with it like

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desery mate like he hasn't finished very

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well in the Premier League has he he

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hasn't had a great breakout season like

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all of the options we're considering are

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either Championship managers or managers

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that have failed and the one thing that

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we all said on the kickoff was that

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Chelsea need a manager that has won

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things that has been there done it dealt

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with things at the top level and

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probably wouldn't be a yes man and do

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you know what the board have gone now do

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you know what we want to not only do the

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oneid thing on the pitch we want to do

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the Wonder kid thing in the management

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role and and the serby if you actually

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think about it the serby is probably the

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most qualified option out of all of the

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other options that we're looking at

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because let's be honest Tommy T isn't

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coming back

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you know Jose isn't GNA come back so

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he's the most qualified but what has he

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won like you guys gave us so much banter

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about poino at least poino is won a

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French cup at least he's been in the

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Champions League final this guy honestly

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you was saying a lot of good stuff about

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the Serb on the kickoff though that's

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the only thing cuz when I was trying to

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get them manager ra of the Year us all

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that might have been that may have been

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that may have been me in terms of I was

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defending him a little bit because I

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feel like deserie was able to provably

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improve players and and and do a good

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job coaching but he he had so many of

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them ripped away from him that when

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people say he's done a [ __ ] job this

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season I'm like [ __ ] me that the amount

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of good players he's lost I don't think

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he could have done had a good season I

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don't think that was possible so I do

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give him a little bit of leeway and to

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be fair um he is very highly rated by

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other top managers but sometimes pep

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does Big Brother people and goes like oh

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he's a great manag J in where he's like

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he's not a threat I don't really give a

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[ __ ] but um I think that

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poch at times really did deserve to lose

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his job last season and at times really

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there was times where both Joey and Josh

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came into that studio and I thought [ __ ]

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me they've really had enough now so poch

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was lucky to stay as long as he did and

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yes he did turn it around at the end but

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I actually think that it as frustrated

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as Chelsea fans have a right to be right

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now deserie may with much better Talent

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do some special things with that team

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that is possible I don't rule out the

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possibility that Chelsea get better next

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season I think these things can often

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happen I remember when um Roberto

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Martinez left swansey and I remember the

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next season they get in Michael lowr up

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and lift their first bit of silver

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wearing it possibly ever God knows how

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long um I remember with every Brighton

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manager for example when Chris huon left

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they didn't think they were going to

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level up they got gr Potter and when he

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left they thought it was all doom and

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gloom they got the zerbian finished even

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higher so sometimes you can get rid of

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managers when maybe the fan base don't

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necessarily think it's Justified and it

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can prove to be the right answer my gut

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feeling here is that even if it does

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prove to be the right answer and we're

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better next year I think it's a fluke I

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think this Bo have not got a [ __ ]

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clue what they are

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doing do you agree Josh do you well look

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mate I'm going through my head right now

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as that I'm gonna say there's a scenario

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where Pino goes to man united I think

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that could happen I think there's a

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scenario in which man united finish

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higher than Chelsea as a result of that

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move and and that that would be he wants

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that job he wants that job that's the

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one the one thing that like poch leaving

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is strange anyway but poch has wanted

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the man united job his whole life he

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when he went when he said guarden and

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leave with Spurs when he's going to win

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them the Champions League step it that

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would have been almost like a step down

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in sense if you're about to win the

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champions league but you still want to

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leave for the man united job then after

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like Ole just wouldn't stop like winning

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games in a way like you know just F

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let's put this on you KJ let's put this

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on you though right now and and let's

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just ditch your sort of allegiance to

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ten hog for a second here potin he can't

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poino finished higher than ten hog and

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and at the start of the Season AR kinda

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was edging towards man united because

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they had the more proven more mature

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Premier League players and it didn't

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work out like that if you had the choice

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between the two now who would give you

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more hope for next season what between p

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and um TT and or ericon h i could tell

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already it's it's poch isn't it it is

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poch isn't it ad I can tell in it cuz

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right now if you switch ten hog now

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there'd be a feeling of like poino you

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know he did all right with Chelsea this

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this is the thing so people it's well

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documented you know when person is well

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documented you know he's about to chat

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some [ __ ] it's well documented that I

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really wanted PCH before ten hard came

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in I was excited about the PCH thing now

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I'm

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going no wait hold on I'm going on the

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it's the FA Cup because guys I told you

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lot if I walk in back into that kickoff

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studio with a EP Cup in hand yeah I'm

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this is my manager to the Cs come home

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I'm telling you right now so and I want

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to I can't wait say it's FA Cup ask but

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if you lose the FA Cup PCH it's poch in

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P in or too I don't mind I don't I want

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to know from these two who's the better

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manager but yeah one of the two of them

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Tom the manager you know one one last

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thing I would like to ask you Brian have

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you seen the reports of who Chelsea

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could be Ed how do you know what um I'm

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not taking it seriously because and this

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is the one thing I would say about

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Chelsea right now from the outside

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looking in they look more of a basket

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case football club than they ever have

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yeah and if you already how as much as

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Chelsea are um a great football club

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that you could you could stay at

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Newcastle and potentially be here for

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another two three four years comfortably

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I feel like the the the the chances of

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keeping your job are higher at Newcastle

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at Chelsea you're looking at it thinking

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if I get longer than a year I'll be

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looking so for that reason as great as a

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Chelsea Football Club is I just think

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it's too much of a risk for him to take

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that job yeah it's dangerous yeah I'd

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agree I'd say the same I'd say very

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rarely there a manager leave Stanford

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Bridge with his reputation inhan

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possibly possibly you could say poino

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has but I think if Eddie how was to St

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at Newcastle for another two three

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seasons I don't see them falling out of

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the top sides I'd say I actually think

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poch was almost almost leaving on a

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decline and he sort of saved it at the

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PO is very lucky they didn't sack him

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after the Arsenal game his reputation

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would have been in tatters at that

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moment but then you missing something

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out though because I would say that

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Eddie how could be on some level of

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borrow time as well see if you're going

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to get sacked from a club well at least

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get sacked from a club that's got a lot

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of money a lot um a lot of good players

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because to Newcastle fans they're not

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going to have another Bad season with

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this guy they want to do something next

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season there's not going to be no

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excuses about injuries this that and the

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other so I think that if he's going to

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roll the they're not they're not going

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to give them up though you you know what

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Newcastle are like we don't give our

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assets up easily you know that more than

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anyone KJ your God and live

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