Circular Economy through Supply Chain Innovation - Sustainn

Summary

本次访谈中，Thiago作为Sustain公司的循环经济创新官，分享了他在西班牙推动循环经济实践的经验。他强调了供应链在实现可持续转型中的关键作用，并讨论了如何通过创新咨询服务和知识共享来指导组织走向循环经济模型。Thiago还提到了Sustain公司如何通过减少碳足迹、认证和遵循绿色采购指南来实现自身供应链的可持续性。此外，他还探讨了供应链管理者应如何关心可持续性，并区分了可持续供应链与循环供应链的不同。最后，Thiago提出了从线性经济向循环经济转变的三个关键步骤：意愿、知识和合作。

Takeaways

• 🌟 Thiago 是一位循环经济创新官员，致力于帮助企业和创新者通过连接不同行业的创新来应用循环经济实践。
• 📈 Thiago 通过作为顾问，帮助创业者加速从线性经济向循环经济的过渡，设计和扩展循环商业模式，并发现绿色资金机会。
• 💡 Sustain 是一家咨询公司，专注于指导组织通过创新咨询服务和分享知识，向循环经济模型和可持续未来转型。
• 🔄 Thiago 认为供应链是组织变得更可持续的关键领域，因为供应链对环境影响巨大。
• 🌱 Sustain 通过自身实践，如测量碳足迹、努力减少排放、实现碳中和，以及获取认证来展示其对可持续性的承诺。
• 🛍️ Sustain 遵循欧盟的绿色采购指南来选择供应商，以确保其供应链的可持续性。
• 📚 市场正在推动公司变得更可持续，供应链管理是实现这一目标的关键角色。
• 🔄 Thiago 提出可持续供应链是目标，而循环供应链是实现这一目标的方式。
• 🌐 循环经济是一个经济模型，旨在设计出无污染和浪费的系统，并保持产品和材料的使用。
• 🤝 要实现从线性到循环经济的转变，需要三个要素：改变的意愿、知识以及合作。
• 🛠️ 中高层供应链管理者可以通过获得领导层的支持、定义公司可持续供应链的规则，并实施和开发可持续供应链来实施循环思维。

Q & A

Thiago在Sustain的角色是什么？

Thiago在Sustain担任循环经济创新官，他的工作是支持那些有影响力的变革者和创新者，通过连接不同行业的创新人士，帮助他们应用循环经济实践来寻找解决方案。

Sustain作为咨询公司，主要的工作内容是什么？

Sustain作为一家咨询公司，主要工作是引导组织向循环经济模型和可持续未来转型，通过提供创新咨询服务和分享知识。

如何通过供应链管理实现组织的可持续性？

通过定义更可持续的战略，将供应链作为关键领域进行优化，因为供应链对组织的影响巨大，是实现可持续性的关键。

Sustain如何确保自身的供应链可持续性？

Sustain通过测量碳足迹、努力减少排放、实现碳中和、获取外部认证以及遵循欧盟的绿色采购指南来选择供应商，确保自身的供应链可持续性。

为什么供应链管理者需要关心可持续性？

市场正在推动公司变得更可持续，供应链是影响和减排的主要领域。此外，可持续性可以作为提高供应链效率、稳定性和降低运营成本的机会。

可持续供应链和循环供应链之间有何区别？

可持续供应链是一个更广泛的概念，包括社会、经济和环境的三重影响。而循环供应链是实现可持续供应链目标的一种方式，侧重于产品设计、可再生能源和产品与材料的循环使用。

如何理解循环经济？

循环经济是一种经济模型，旨在再生自然系统，设计出无污染和浪费的系统，并通过保持产品和材料的使用来实现资源的循环利用。

实现从线性经济到循环经济转变的三个关键因素是什么？

实现转变的三个关键因素是改变的意愿、知识以及合作。意愿是指所有人都需要有改变的决心；知识是指基于数据和知识做出决策；合作是指需要各行业和背景的人共同协作，采取系统性的方法。

中高层供应链管理者如何在自己的组织中实施循环思维？

首先需要获得领导层和其他部门的支持，然后与关键供应商合作，定义适合公司可持续供应链的规则手册，并在实施过程中解决挑战，抓住机遇。

为什么需要外部咨询机构如Sustain来帮助组织转型？

外部咨询机构可以提供专业知识和最佳实践，帮助组织更有效地实现可持续和循环供应链的转型，避免尝试和错误，确保转型的成功。

供应链管理者在推动组织向更循环的经济转型中可以发挥什么作用？

供应链管理者可以通过获取领导层的支持、与其他部门沟通协作、与关键供应商合作，以及在组织内部推广和实施可持续供应链的实践，来发挥关键作用。

Outlines

00:00

😀 欢迎与介绍

本段介绍了视频的背景，即国际供应链协会(ISCA)举办的可持续供应链系列讲座。视频中，主持人Madison邀请了Thiago，他是Sustain公司的循环经济创新官，位于西班牙。Thiago致力于支持那些致力于变革的创业者和创新者，通过连接不同行业的创新者来应用循环经济实践，帮助他们设计和扩展循环商业模式，并发现绿色资金机会。Madison对Thiago的加入表示欢迎，并提出了一些基于他专业知识和当前事业的问题。

05:02

🌿 可持续供应链的转型

Thiago分享了他在Sustain公司的工作，该公司是西班牙最早专注于循环经济的咨询公司之一。他们通过创新咨询服务和知识分享，指导组织向循环经济模型和可持续未来转型。Thiago的角色是为变革者和创新者解码循环经济，使复杂和困难的概念变得更简单、实用。他还提到了Sustain公司如何通过内部实践（如实现碳中和、遵循欧盟的绿色采购指南选择供应商）来促进供应链的可持续性。

10:02

🛍️ 供应链管理与可持续性

在这一段中，讨论了供应链管理者为何应该关心可持续性，即使这在他们的职位描述中并不常见。Thiago指出，市场正在推动公司变得更加可持续，而供应链是组织影响和排放的主要来源。供应链管理者在实现公司可持续性战略中扮演着关键角色，他们需要管理供应链中的环境信息，并可能面临来自其他公司对环境信息的请求。此外，可持续性也被视为提高供应链效率、稳定性和降低运营成本的机会。

15:05

🔄 可持续供应链与循环供应链的区别

Thiago解释了可持续供应链和循环供应链之间的区别。他认为可持续供应链是一个目标，而循环供应链是实现这一目标的方法。他进一步解释了循环经济的概念，即一个旨在通过设计消除污染和浪费的经济模型，并强调保持产品和材料在使用中的重要性。可持续供应链是一个更广泛的概念，它不仅包括环境方面，还包括社会和经济影响，即所谓的三重底线。

20:08

🤝 向循环经济转型的关键步骤

Thiago提出了从线性经济向循环经济转型的三个关键要素：意愿、知识和合作。意愿是指个人、消费者、公司决策者和国家层面上改变的意愿。知识意味着基于数据和知识做出决策，而不是盲目跟随他人的做法。合作是将所有部门和背景的人聚集在一起，以系统性的方法进行巨大的转型。这些要素对于实现向循环经济的转变至关重要。

🚀 实施循环思维的策略

Thiago为中高层供应链管理者提供了实施循环思维的策略。首先，需要从领导层获得支持，并将可持续供应链作为业务优先事项。其次，需要与其他部门和关键供应商进行沟通和合作。他还建议聘请像Sustain这样的外部实体来提供知识和帮助过渡到可持续和循环供应链。最后，他强调了在实施过程中可能会遇到的挑战和机遇，并鼓励供应链管理者在组织中发挥关键作用。

🙌 结语与感谢

在视频的最后，Madison感谢Thiago的时间和专业知识，并表示希望与全球成员分享他的联系信息，以便为行业向更循环的经济转型提供知识支持。Thiago也表达了对邀请的感谢，并希望这次对话能够提供有用的见解，同时强调了每个人在这一转型中的作用。他们期待未来的交流，并重申了合作的重要性。

Keywords

💡循环经济

循环经济是一种经济模型，旨在设计出无污染和废物的系统，保持产品和材料的持续使用，从而减少资源浪费。在视频中，Thiago作为循环经济创新官，致力于帮助企业和创业者应用循环经济实践，转型为更可持续的商业模式。

💡供应链

供应链是企业运营中的关键环节，涉及原材料获取、产品制造、分销直至最终用户的整个流程。视频中强调了供应链在实现企业可持续性中的重要性，Thiago的工作之一就是帮助组织通过创新咨询服务，使供应链更加可持续。

💡可持续供应链

可持续供应链是指在供应链管理中融入环境、社会和经济三方面的可持续性原则，以减少对环境的影响，提高社会福祉，并确保经济可行性。视频中提到，可持续供应链是目标，而循环供应链是实现这一目标的途径之一。

💡创新

创新在视频中被提及为推动企业和组织向循环经济转型的关键因素。Thiago的工作包括支持影响驱动的变革者和创新者，通过连接不同行业的创新人员，帮助他们找到解决方案。

💡碳足迹

碳足迹是指个人或组织在一定时间内直接或间接产生的温室气体总量。视频中提到Sustain公司通过测量并减少碳足迹，努力实现碳中和，这是其为使供应链更可持续所采取的行动之一。

💡认证

认证是一种外部验证过程，用以确认组织遵守了特定的可持续标准。视频中提到Sustain公司通过认证来证明其为提高可持续性所做的努力，这有助于提高公司在市场中的信誉。

💡绿色采购

绿色采购是指根据环境标准和指南选择供应商的过程。视频中提到，Sustain公司遵循欧盟的绿色采购指南来选择供应商，这是其为使供应链更可持续所采取的措施之一。

💡变革者

变革者是指那些愿意推动和实施变革，以实现更可持续和公正社会的个人或组织。在视频中，Thiago支持变革者和创新者应用循环经济实践，这体现了变革者在推动社会进步中的作用。

💡知识

知识在视频中被强调为实现从线性经济向循环经济转型的关键要素之一。Thiago提到，组织需要基于数据和知识做出决策，以确保实施的可持续或循环措施能够成功并产生积极影响。

💡合作

合作是视频中提到的另一个关键要素，强调了为了实现经济和社会的转型，需要不同部门、不同背景的人们共同努力。Thiago认为，合作是推动这一变革的重要力量。

Highlights

Thiago是Sustain公司的循环经济创新官，致力于支持变革者和创新者应用循环经济实践。

Sustain是西班牙首批专注于循环经济的咨询公司之一。

Thiago的角色是为变革者和创新者解码循环经济，简化复杂概念，使其易于实践。

Sustain通过创新咨询服务和知识分享，指导组织向循环经济模型和可持续未来转型。

供应链是组织实现可持续性的一个关键领域，对排放有巨大影响。

Sustain致力于通过减少碳足迹、认证和绿色采购等方式，使供应链更加可持续。

市场正在推动公司变得更加可持续，供应链管理是实现这一目标的关键。

供应链管理者应关注可持续性，因为市场要求和业务需求都在变化。

可持续性可以视为提高供应链效率、稳定性和降低运营成本的机会。

可持续供应链是一个更广泛的概念，包括社会、经济和环境影响。

循环经济是一种经济模型，旨在通过设计消除浪费和污染，并保持产品和材料的使用。

Sustain认为，从线性经济向循环经济的转变需要意愿、知识和协作。

转型为循环经济需要所有部门、公民和决策者的意愿和参与。

组织需要基于数据和知识做出决策，以实现可持续和循环的实践。

协作是实现系统性变革的关键，需要不同背景和行业的人们共同努力。

供应链管理者可以通过获得领导支持、与其他部门合作和关键供应商参与来推动循环经济。

Sustain建议供应链管理者制定公司可持续供应链手册，作为转型的指南。

实施和开发可持续供应链可能会面临挑战，但也会带来新的商业模式和收入机会。

Thiago鼓励组织通过应用循环经济原则来区分自己，并抓住转型带来的机遇。

Transcripts

hello everybody thank you so much for

joining today

uh for the isca sustainable supply chain

series

today i'm with thiago and he is a

circular economy innovation officer at

sustain

he's located in spain and he dedicates

his time to support

impact-driven change-makers and

innovators to apply circular economy

practices

in in finding solutions by connecting

people with innovation

in different industries as a consultant

through all of his experience he's felt

very empowered by the circular economy

and helping

entrepreneurs accelerate and transition

from what is known as a linear economy

to a circular economy he helps by

building bridges between

private and public organizations

advising change makers on how to design

and scale circular business models

and detecting green funding

opportunities to help support these

sustainable ventures it's my absolute

pleasure to welcome today thiago

to the isda sustainable supply chain

series

so without further ado welcome thank you

thank you madison

for for the invitation and also for the

incredible introduction

hello everyone great well

i know today i have a few really

interesting questions that

i would like to ask you based on your

expertise

and your current ventures maybe if you

want to

give everyone a little bit of a small

description of maybe some current things

you're working on at sustain

or we can go straight ahead and jump

into the questions as well

yeah i can explain you a little bit

about what we do at sustain so basically

we are

a consultancy firm that worked on

circular economy we were

one of the first consultancy firms in

spain

to appear working on circular economy so

we have a lot of experience on this

topic

and what we do is something that we love

that basically is

guiding organizations towards a circular

economy

model and sustainable future through

innovation

consultancy services and sharing

knowledge

and as you said my role here is to

try to decode circular economy for

change makers

and innovators so try to make a lot of

time

concepts that are complex and difficult

easier simple and practical to

apply definitely

great and i think that kind of feeds

into the first question

i was going to ask which was how are you

currently transforming the

supply chain to be more sustainable and

that is

one mainly through your role at sustain

but if there's anything you'd like to

add to that

please feel free to do so yeah i think

that we can look at this question from

two perspectives so on one end

part of our job is to support companies

and organizations to define their

strategy to become more sustainable

and the big part of it has to do with

the supply chain because the supply

chain

as it is a key area

to um organizations

to become more sustainable because it

has a huge

impact so a lot of the time

when we are working with organizations

to

become more to define their strategy to

become more

sustainable what we do is we look at the

supply chain and we find ways to make it

more

sustainable so on one end we have that

part on the other end

uh more internally

i mean if we want to leave we think that

i think that a great way to live is to

live by example

so something that uh we always try to

promote the things

we we also say to our

to our clients to do

and some of them have to do to um

measuring our carbon footprint try to

reduce the maximum

you can and while we cannot compensate

our emissions

so that is something right now we are

carbon neutral we have been for a couple

of years

and that is one of our actions to make

our supply chain more

sustainable another one has to do with

certification so in order to

have an external um

entity saying that we are validating

our efforts to be more sustainable

that's also uh

something that we put a lot of effort on

and another one uh i i mean we have a

lot of action so i i just want to tell

you the main ones

has to do with the things we buy

so in in

here in spain we

we look at the eu regulations

and guidelines and we the european union

as a green procurement on how to buy

things depending on the sector

and industry and we follow those

guidelines

to choose our suppliers

but i mean this is uh ever learning

forces so

of course as we are everywhere else yeah

exactly

definitely thank you so much and i think

something that we can

both agree on like you said is you know

education is very important

you know here at isda we're also all

about education and certification

and that goes into our sustainable

certified sustainable supply chain

professional certification we think that

you know like you're saying leading by

example

and through education is very important

to us here as well

so i think that's something you know our

organization and you

both mutually agree on and i think one

thing we can hop into

building off of transforming the supply

chain is

the different roles in the supply chain

and how they are influential in shaping

this

shift and so my question to you would be

why should a supply chain manager care

about sustainability

um you know they're not in their title

in their business their job description

maybe when they joined

on to the organization it wasn't

sustainability wasn't

in the job description but today we're

finding that that's such a key role to a

supply chain manager

so what is your opinion and you know why

should a supply chain manager really

care about sustainability

well i think once again we can look at

some perspectives to this question on

one end

it's i mean it's the market is demanding

and the market is pushing and asking

first

for companies to become more sustainable

and uh

if companies want companies or

organizations

want to become more sustainable um

they have to look at their supply chain

because after all

supply chain is one of the key areas

when it has to do

with impact and in most industry

responsible

um for the majority of of emissions

it is not enough to i mean if companies

really want

to make their sustainability strategies

to work

it is not enough to control um what is

happening

inside their doors but they also have to

look outside and

that is where a supply chain manager

enters

just to have um an idea according to

some

studies in 2018

115 of the world's um

largest organizations requested

environmental information from more than

5 and 500 suppliers so this is something

that if you want to work

with other companies they will start to

demand you

as a as a supplier

so this is on one end it's it's a demand

from the market and on the other end

it's also an opportunity

so sustainability can be seen as an

opportunity

to improve a supply chain and the

business

i mean it can improve efficiency

because you you can reuse some materials

you close

loops you can reduce waste uh

if you use a circular supply chain

it can also improve stability because

if a lot of times if we are talking

about a sustainable supply chain

we are also talking about uh having

a closer relationship with our

stakeholders

and with our um suppliers

so it can also improve stability

and um i mean one of the main

one of the aims of of a sustainable or

simpler

um sustained supply chain

is to reduce waste whatever possible and

reducing waste can also be a great way

to

reduce the costs of operation

definitely i think you know i agree with

you on both of those points

and it really is from my perspective

a demand by the market and it's really

interesting

to know that there are a lot of requests

and growing

environment to request information about

suppliers so that's definitely a step in

the right direction

moving forward that i am very excited to

see

and i think before we get ahead of

ourselves something that is often

assumed that people understand

but you know it's really not that simple

so i wanted to ask you

you know everyone really defines

sustainability in a different way i know

at isca we've

created and we stand by a certain

definition

in regard to sustainable supply chain

but from your perspective what is the

difference between

sustainable supply chain and a circular

supply chain

i know you are a circular economy expert

so

i think you really will have a

differentiation between the two

and it's becoming more common that there

is a clear difference between

sustainability and circularity and so

i'd like to get to know from you what is

your perspective on this and where does

that distinction lie

well as you said medicine it's not as

easy as

not as not as simple as it should be in

the way that

each person has a different definition

but i can share

with you mine my definition for me

a sustainable supply chain should be

the goal while a circular supply chain

is how you can get to the goal um

so one is the why is where you want to

get and the other one

is how you can get to to a sustainable

supply chain

and they they can live uh at the same

time so you don't have to choose between

one and another a lot of times times

these concepts

sustainability circularity they can live

um they can live

at at the same time cohabit at the same

space

and uh for so i think that to explain

the circular economy

a circular supply chain it's important

to explain

what is a circular economy so circular

economy

just very quickly is an economical model

that

first regenerate natural systems design

out

a pollution and waste that that's why we

talk about

echo design about renewable energies and

all of that

and one of the most important parts is

it keep

products and materials in use so that's

also why we talk about recirculation in

the supply chain

on the other end to sustain a

sustainable supply chain

is a broader concept so

you can apply the circular

economy principles to a supply chain in

order to make it

sustainable but if you want to really

to make it really sustainable you should

also add

the social part to have something that

at sustain we call

the triple dimension or the triple

impact so

you have the social the economic and

environmental uh impact

and i can i can give you some examples

to make it more visual

of what is a simpler secular economy

i think with that you know that we can

kind of shift into something

you know is gonna build upon this is you

know what are those

important steps to move toward a

circular economy and i think you could

you know maybe speak to those three

pillars that you guys stand by

sustain well uh

the the main steps to i get to move from

a linear to a circular economy

i mean there are a lot of things that

need to be done and it's not either

it will be or it will not be done

because

everything points out that we are going

in that direction it's just a matter of

how fast we will get to that point

because as

climate um climate science

points out we really need to accelerate

our change so and in my perspective the

ingredients

to poster this change are are three

the first one is will so if we want

the will to change so if we want

uh to make things work out all of us

need to um have the will to make things

another way and this means

we as citizens and as consumers but also

as decision makers

in companies or as living a country

so this is the first part we love change

another one

is another ingredient is knowledge

the there are a lot of these examples of

organizations that try to

implement sustainable or circular

measures

or actions but after all they were not

successful

or they have a negative impact instead

of a positive impact because

they didn't study the different options

that they had

and they they maybe copied something

that worked with some some someone else

but it was not the perfect fit for them

so it's really important to make

organizations to

make decisions based on data

and on um knowledge

and the third one the third one and

probably the most important one for me

it's collaboration so if we want to make

things change we need to uh bring

everyone together to work in these

issues i mean we we need people from

every sector for

with all kinds of background because we

are talking about

huge transformation that needs a

systemic

approach so those will be the three

ingredients i would say

will to change knowledge and

collaboration i couldn't agree with you

more on collaboration

you know i think one we talked about

before

you know supply chain managers have a

big role in this but also it comes from

every single person at in every single

industry it's not

you know no no one is too far from this

every company or every industry can

become more sustainable

like you're saying it's not is it is it

or is it not it's just are we working in

the right direction are we headed

towards

a more sustainable future as climate

science is

showing us we need to accelerate this

change um

so i know that and i say we agree with

you there and the fact that

collaboration is key and you know i

think we could both say

from sustain and iscea both of our

missions are to help to get those people

there and to help and

you know formulate collaboration in the

ways that we can

and i think you know as we start to wrap

up this

i would like to know you know we just

talked about how it's collaboration

but there are certain roles in which

supply chain management can take the

lead

and help to move towards a more circular

economy from a linear

type of system and i think i'd like to

ask you

how can mid or upper level supply chain

managers

implement circular thinking in their own

organizations

do you recommend that you know they come

through a consultant like you

and have someone from the outside do it

or do you think it's possible to you

know

internally drive change well

there is a great uh question madison i

i think i can give well first of all

the the first step should always be

get people involved so we are talking

about

something that will change all the

organizations so we

first of all we need a upstream support

this should be something that

should come from the leadership and

should be a business priority

so you as a need or upper supply chain

manager

if you can you should um

make the leadership to to understand

the importance of a sustainable supply

chain

and but it doesn't end here so you need

upstream support but you also need the

support from other departments

and you need to be um speaking

with them because i mean your activity

as a supply chain manager

affects a lot of different departments

and you can i mean yeah you have to be

um

in touch with them about these all of

these changes

and other keys also key suppliers so you

should

also bring to the party key suppliers in

order to

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know how you can make this transition

in in a better way and we also recommend

an external entity like sustain to help

you with knowledge

and this transition to a sustainable and

circular

supply chain because as i said before

sometimes it's really easy to

um try to to do something

with a good intention but then the

result is not the best

and when we work in this area you went

out to know a lot of

good and back and back practices to

apply in

different kind of businesses so that

will be the first step

get people involved the second step is

define the rules

for your company's sustainable

preparment manual

so after you get all the people involved

you should collect

all the information um for this manual

and this manual should be something that

will be like

it well it's like a bible for for the

supply chain

and you should have a more general

one so for all the suppliers but also

each case is a different case

so this handbook should be adapted to

the different supplier

categories that we are talking about

and the third one the third step well

is to implement and develop

the sustainable supply chain in here

it's normal that

a lot of challenges will come but

usually

when it's done in the right way a lot of

opportunities

also appear

it can be new business models

new types of revenue so it's also a

great way

to drive as an organization and here

the supply chain manager can have a

fundamental

role to to play so don't forget first

step

is to get people get people

involved in this transformation

and if you need um

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if you need any help let us know

that we will be more than glad to help

you to become more

circular definitely

well thank you so much i think you know

what what you're speaking to

and these first critical steps are just

great ways that people

and industries can start to work toward

a more

circular supply chain and hopefully head

towards that circular economy transition

that

our planet is so so much calling for

with climate science data backing that

i want to thank you again for your time

today in bringing

all of your expertise on this topic to

the isca sustainable supply chain

series i'll be very happy to share your

contact information with our global

members and hopefully you can provide

some of that knowledge for them as

everyone in the industry

starts to transition to a more circular

economy

um so thiago thank you so much it's been

an absolute pleasure to talk with you

today

and i look forward to speaking with you

in the future

thank you madison and i hope you um then

listen to this conversation got some

insights uh we really need everyone to

work out in this transformation

and uh it's i mean it can be a great

opportunity for you

if you find a way to distinguish

by applying some circular economy

principles

in um in your organization so i hope

you found this conversation

helpful and madison once again thank you

for the invitation and we'll keep in

touch

of course

you