Canada's Political Affairs Update with the Toronto Sun's Brian Lilley and BCN's Hal Roberts
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as Parliament resumes conservative
leader Pier PV gave a speech to his
caucus that a Tory government would
never reinstate funding for unra that's
the UN agency that provides aid for
Palestinians the tribal government is
only pausing Canadian Aid there right
now now to chat about this in more
detail is political reporter and Son
columnist Brian Lily who joins us once
again from Toronto Brian what prompted
the change and the pause does it have
something to do maybe with the those who
were in involved in the October 7th
attacks in
Israel yeah look the Trudeau government
was warn before they reinstated funding
in 2016 the Harper government had gotten
rid of it due to the you know absolutely
well-documented
multifaceted ties between the UN relief
and works agency which is what H stands
for and Hamas terrorists and other
terrorist groups and so Harper
government said we're not going to fund
a group that has so many links to
terrorism Trudeau came 2016 and even
though he was warned by officials he was
questioned about it by the media said oh
no we have assurances this is never
happening again so he reinstated funding
and since then we've given them well
over $200 million well over the weekend
comes out the uh report that uh at least
12 members of unra unra employees which
means their United Nations employees
took part in the terrorist attacks of
October 7th The Wall Street Journal has
a report out today on front page stating
that
12,000 unra employees or 10% of their
Workforce are active members of Hamas
and Canadian Helo newer who runs the
group un watch has documented that there
is an open telegram Channel where 3,000
UNR teachers are participants in
celebrating the killings the murders the
rapes the attacks of October 7 so I mean
this should have been well known but the
Trudeau government has resisted call to
even review funding up until the United
States said they were putting it on
pause um joined by other countries
including Britain France uh Italy the
European Union by the way has said we
want our people to do an investigation
we don't trust you to do your own
investigation we want to appoint someone
uh if that happens the rot within unra
which I've been documenting for more
than a decade how will be fully exposed
I can tell you that when I was in Israel
last week the two things that I heard
over and over again is Hamas must be
destroyed and dismantled and also that
anra cannot be part of the future of
Gaza or the West Bank going forward
because the the people we spoke to
Across the political Spectrum said unra
is Hamas Hamas is unra there is no
difference Brian it appears to still the
main issue that Federal conservatives
are dealing with right now in the House
of Commons is affordability which is
impacting millions of Canadians right
now now what has Pier PF said about
fighting back against the carbon
tax yeah I mean affordability touches on
so many different issues but one of the
the areas that he said he will fight on
is the carbon tax and he's going to
renew his fight to get the remainder of
the carbon tax taken off of farms and
Farmers now the trudo Liberals say well
you know 97% of what goes on on a farm
isn't subject to the carbon tax but uh
you know the proposal by the
conservatives to take it off the
remaining we're told would save Farmers
a billion dollars over the LA next
several
years as paf keeps saying if you tax the
farmer that grows the food and the
trucker that transports the food then
you tax everyone who eats the food and
we know what's going on with food
affordability in this country so he's
renewing that the trudo Liberals have
fought this tooth and nail uh they say
it's not an issue well talk to any Dairy
Farmer who has to you know Heat their
barns you know you know they're not not
heating them to 22° it's not room
temperature in a Dairy Barn but there is
some heating that goes on for dairy for
poultry what have you especially in the
very in the much colder parts of this
country uh talk to grain Growers who
have to dry their grain using natural
gas and ask them if they pay the carbon
tax the answer is absolutely they do so
he is going to continue this fight I
think the Liberals are going to try and
uh continue to push back against it and
according to some reports that were out
earlier today the trud to liberals know
that they've got a problem with the
carbon tax so instead of getting rid of
it instead of changing it they're going
to try and Rebrand it because that's
what it needs it it needs a better
communication strategy Hal um you just
need to feel better about the fact that
everything in your life is costing more
due to this tax needs a better PR team
right now Brian housing affordability
remains a hot button issue and it's one
that the trau government tried to attack
POV on last week what happened
so new housing report came out showing
that there was a big drop off in certain
places including uh drop offs of nearly
40% in both Quebec City and Montreal so
despite the fact that Pier PV praised
the mayors of Sagan in Northern Quebec
of Three Rivers or TW Rivier along the
the St Lawrence of Victoria Ville um you
know South southeast of of Montreal
despite praising all those he was
critical of the mayors of Quebec City
and Montreal saying they're incompetent
they had these big housing drop offs the
other Mayors were able to get housing
going when the trudo Liberals turned
around and tried to use that as uh an
attack on Quebec that it wasn't that POV
was being critical of them getting in
the way of housing it's an attack on
frankophone to it's an attack on all
quebeckers he shows complete contempt
for Quebec they are playing
ethnopolitics we've talked before about
how they keep they they went across um
western Canada saying see they don't
support Ukraine um you know this is an
issue they're doing the same thing here
they're playing ethno and language
politics to try and drum up support
because they're doing so badly in the
polls they have to grasp at any paper
straw they can find now Brian you say
the prime minister is still being asked
about his Jamaican vacation but he just
smirks and repeats a line what line is
that and will this maybe cause some
problems with
voters I think it will cause some
problems with voters and David ketto the
CEO of advocus data who is one of the
more active pollsters later uh lately
I'm waiting for more polling firms to
come out with uh with numbers but Abacus
has been active lately and as I told you
recently you know back in mid December
they had the the Gap closing down to
just 10 points and then just after New
Years it opened back up to a 17 point
now it's 15 so you know it's still a
huge lead no matter how you cut it and
ketto said that he felt that the bad
headlines around the PM's vacation were
at least a contributing factor he didn't
say that's everything but he said you
know it's not helping him and I think
that's right but when Trudeau's
questioned about this and there are real
questions about taking an
$84,000 vacation from a friend and just
saying oh don't worry about it it's it's
a friend well when he's asked about it
he says like a lot of Canadian families
we stayed with friends over
Christmas then he smiles and just moves
on I'm sorry uh none of us have friends
with a Jamaican estate that rents out
for $7,000 US per night well maybe some
of your viewers do but most of us most
of us don't and and if we did and we
were in a position of authority guess
what we'd be questioned about it and we
should be and as I've told you before
how this is all due to Trudeau's own
office and how they handled this they
told us at the beginning the PM will pay
for his own accommodation then just
before he came back the PM stayed at no
cost at a location owned by friends and
then when people said okay well which is
it these are two contradictory
statements they said oh no he stayed
with
friends again which is it you you've
told us three different stories and you
won't clarify and when asked all you do
is smirk and say we stayed with friends
yeah like you're in the the bedroom in
the back of the B
that is kept for family staying over
that's not the case now new poll Brian
as you mentioned shows the Tories with
about a 15-point lead over the Trudeau
liberals but there's also talk right now
the polls are revealing that Trudeau's
attempt to link PF to Donald Trump is
really not working what are the polls
showing in that regard well as I said
nationally so this is an advocus data
poll the company I just mentioned um
they questioned on both party support
but also
do you think Trump and PV are the same
so on Party Support it's nationally it's
a uh a 15-point lead 40% for the
conservatives 25 for the Liberals 20 for
the NDP the only place that the
conservatives aren't leading by a
significant margin is Quebec and Quebec
they're in third so you know enough to
hold on to their 10 seats so you know
you could say oh well they were at 17
now they're at 15 that's margin of error
stuff that's you know we haven't seen a
trend line that shows that this is
working but as I've documented since
late last year they keep trying to do
this they want to campaign against
Donald Trump in 2024 because he will be
the Republican nominee he will not be
super popular with Canadians some like
them but not that many but here's a
couple of data points from the poll when
asked who would best handle a trump
presidency a m uh 44% I was about to say
a majority at was it was 44% said Pier
PV 29% picked Trudeau so PV is you know
picked by a significant margin now how
do Canadians want the Canadian Prime
Minister to handle Donald Trump if he's
president again and they say stand up to
him which you know given his
protectionist measures on Canadian trade
on trade with Canada absolutely that's
what any Canadian leader whoever they
are should do with any protectionist
American president
so you know people think well we need
someone that can stand up to him who's
the best to do that pure pev they don't
think Justin Trudeau so that's telling
then they were asked to you know on a
scale of 1 to 10 how much do you like
these leaders well Trump was a three out
of 10 Trudeau was
3.6 Biden was 4.9 and I believe POV was
5.1 so PF is far more popular than than
Trudeau is and Trudeau's closer to
Donald Trump in popularity with
Canadians than he is to
PV so you this bizarre attempt to to try
and flail around and Link him doesn't
appear to be working about 40% of
Canadians think there's some
similarities about a third so 33% don't
think there are and the rest say well I
don't know so they've got their work cut
out for them but you know the the the
real issue for the Liberals is Canadians
don't like Justin Trudeau anymore as
happens with politician they've had
their time with them they're done the
public inquiry into foreign interference
is opening and it's creating a fuss with
more than just the conservative party
questioning who is standing and who does
not let's talk more about that yeah
Coalition of human rights groups
including those that represent Chinese
Canadians and those who represent Wagers
of course the the uh Turkish Muslim
minority that's being persecuted by
China um they say look we we're not
comfortable with this um some of them
are talking about withdrawing from the
uh the inquiry at all the the head of
the the weaker Association said they're
very uncomfortable with the fact that
Michael Chan uh former Ontario liberal
cabinet minister who has you know
there's long been claims of uh deep size
between him and the government in
Beijing Hong who was the liberal MP had
to leave the caucus over allegations
that he received help from the uh
Chinese Consulate to win his nomination
if not the uh the election uh he's been
given standing which means that he they
can both cross-examine these groups and
and also uh Senator uh uh Senator Pooh
who like they're saying like this guy is
they view him as a an agent or a
mouthpiece of China and and and for that
reason they say we don't feel
comfortable being cross-examined by him
and these other meanwhile you know the
conservatives have not been given
standing they don't get to cross-examine
Witnesses they don't get to see all of
the evidence and the judge in this case
um Justice hog has said to warn the
conservatives if you complain too much
I'll take away what little standing you
do have before the the commission
so it's not off to a good start it looks
like it's politics from the beginning
and you know she she said at the opening
you know I'm here to uncover the truth
truth well are you uncovering the whole
truth or part of the truth and leaving
other doors unopened that's my big worry
but we'll have to wait and see and and
hold our own judgment until then you may
surprise us but we'll see Ryan the last
time we chatted you were in Israel not
only did you have a chance to see the
kabut where Hamas attacked on October
the 7th but you also stopped by a few
religious sites including where Jesus
was crucified what was that like for you
it it was amazing how um we uh we got to
tour Jerusalem for a few hours on our
final day there in between briefings
with politicians including the um
Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs on
how they were handling the um the South
Africa genocide appeal before the
international court so in the middle of
all that it's like okay you've got some
time we went to a couple of places the
Western Wall uh where of course uh
that's the the retaining wall for the
second temple was able to go up and and
and pray there that was an incredibly
moving experience was able to go and
pray at the Church of the Holy selr that
current building I believe it's from the
13th century it replaced a building from
the 3 Century this is the location where
they've long believed because followers
of Christ have been praying there since
shortly after he was crucified and
buried this is the site of the
crucifixion this is golgatha and in fact
there's a spot upstairs where you can
see the Bedrock that was golgatha where
they would Mount the crosses and you can
reach through and touch the stone that
was incredibly moving you can go into it
the tomb and and and pray at the the the
tomb all of these things um you know
much if the church was under renovation
and reconstruction it's old uh I'll be
honest it's it's not all that fancy but
it's from the 13th century and it sees a
lot of wear and terar over the years but
it was an incredibly moving experience
um for me as a Christian and as a
Catholic to to be there but I'll tell
you I was there with with people who
were not religious as well and they
found it incredibly moving one was a he
described himself as a lapsed Anglin not
really believing found it incredibly
moving um another one of my colleagues
who was there was raised in a seek
household but not religious and just
kept talking about how incredibly moving
this experience was so um you know after
all the horrible things that I saw and
experience it was a bit of a cleansing
moment a bit of a a renewal of of the
spirit to be able to go in a and see
these things that you've read about your
whole life but you know for me anyways
I'd never been so I'd never seen and
didn't realize that all these sites were
you know incapsulated in a church that
was built around them um called The
Church of the Holy seler and all the you
know many different Christian
denominations act as Guardians in
concert together they sometimes fight
the different denominations over who's
in charge of what but it was quite the
experience and I'd recommend it to any
of your viewers if you're in Jerusalem
to go see these sites yeah it's on my
bucket list as well crucified buried in
the Tomb but rose again political
reporter and Son columnist Brian Lily
thanks so much for your time today thank
you
Hal
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