How to Build Great Teams | Jocko Willink & Dr. Andrew Huberman
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses leadership, team dynamics, and individual strengths. It emphasizes that liking the people you work with can significantly boost performance. Leaders should place individuals in roles suited to their natural abilities, whether they're strong executors or creative thinkers. The key to success lies in building cohesive teams with complementary strengths. The conversation touches on the speaker's personal experiences with skateboarding and podcasting, highlighting the importance of community and collaboration in achieving success and fulfillment.
Takeaways
- 😀 Building a team with strong relationships leads to better performance than a team driven by pure ambition.
- 🤝 If people like and care for each other, their commitment to the team's success increases significantly.
- 💡 Leadership involves identifying and placing people in roles where their natural strengths can thrive.
- 🎯 Different people excel at different tasks; some are better executors while others are more creative thinkers.
- 🧠 A leader’s responsibility is to align people’s skills and personalities with the roles that suit them best.
- 🏅 Achievers may excel in specific roles, but not all challenges will match their drive, especially long-term goals with fewer immediate rewards.
- 🌟 Loving your job enhances performance, though in rare cases, passion might not always equate to competence.
- 🤔 Leaders shouldn’t expect to drastically change someone’s nature but can encourage personal growth in areas like communication.
- 💼 Personal connections to a community or team are often a greater driver of success than individual performance alone.
- 🎙️ In podcasting or business, teamwork and shared goals are key to long-term success, and personal dedication to the team fosters unity and resilience.
Q & A
What is the importance of relationships in a team according to the speaker?
-The speaker emphasizes that strong, positive relationships within a team significantly enhance performance. A team that likes and supports each other will outperform a team where members dislike each other, regardless of skill level.
How does the speaker differentiate between someone who can execute tasks and someone who is creative?
-The speaker notes that someone may be good at executing specific tasks but struggle with creativity. On the other hand, someone creative might struggle with execution. The key to effective leadership is building a team where people with complementary strengths, like execution and creativity, work together.
What is the role of a leader when it comes to team members' strengths and weaknesses?
-A leader's role is to place people in positions that align with their natural strengths. Leaders should not force individuals into roles that don't suit their personality or skills but should still work to help them improve gradually in areas where they are weaker.
Can someone who loves their job still underperform? If so, why?
-Yes, it is possible for someone to love their job but still underperform. This can happen if the person is not naturally skilled at the tasks required for the job, despite their passion for it.
How does the speaker suggest identifying someone who is good at executing tasks?
-The speaker suggests giving people progressively more complex tasks and observing how they handle them. Those who consistently complete tasks successfully and without excuses are the ones who can execute effectively.
Why is it important to place people in the right roles based on their personalities?
-The speaker stresses that putting people in roles that align with their personalities leads to better performance. For example, placing an extroverted person in a sales role and an introverted person in a more analytical role plays to their natural strengths.
How does liking one’s job affect performance?
-Liking one’s job can significantly improve performance because when people enjoy what they do, they are more motivated and likely to excel. However, passion alone does not guarantee competence.
What challenges might arise when assigning tasks to someone driven purely by achievement?
-Someone driven purely by achievement might struggle with tasks that require long-term perseverance or offer low immediate rewards. They may excel in short-term, high-reward tasks but may not be the right person for more endurance-focused goals.
What personal anecdote does the speaker share about skateboarding?
-The speaker shares that, despite loving skateboarding, they were not very good at it. However, they loved the community around skateboarding, which led them to stay involved in the sport in other ways.
How does the speaker relate their podcast team to the importance of teamwork?
-The speaker describes their podcast team as an essential part of their success, emphasizing that they view the team as interconnected. If the team members fail or leave, so does the podcast's success, demonstrating the importance of unity in achieving goals.
Outlines
🤝 The Power of Relationships in Team Performance
This paragraph emphasizes the impact of positive relationships within a team on overall performance. It contrasts teams with strong bonds against those with internal discord, suggesting that mutual care and respect drive better outcomes. The speaker discusses how people are more motivated to perform well for leaders they like and who have supported them, leading to a higher level of commitment and effort. The conversation touches on human nature in leadership, underscoring the importance of building a team where members enjoy working together.
🧩 Matching the Right People to the Right Roles
The speaker highlights the importance of recognizing individual strengths and placing people in roles that align with their abilities. They explain that some individuals excel at executing tasks, while others are more creative but less efficient in execution. The key to leadership is building a team that complements each other's skills, pairing creative thinkers with effective executors. The discussion also touches on not forcing individuals into roles that don't suit their nature, while still helping them grow in areas of weakness. This paragraph emphasizes a strategic approach to team composition based on natural inclinations.
❤️ Loving Your Job and the Pursuit of Excellence
Here, the speaker stresses how crucial it is for people to love their jobs to excel at them. They acknowledge that while passion is important, it doesn't always guarantee success in every case. They humorously refer to skateboarding, using it as an example of how someone can love a pursuit but may not be highly skilled at it. They shift the focus to community, recognizing that finding one's place within a supportive environment can lead to personal and professional fulfillment. The anecdote about Jim Thibo from the skateboarding community highlights how embracing a community role can bring success in a different way, even without being a top performer.
🎙️ The Importance of Teamwork in Every Endeavor
This paragraph delves into the speaker's personal experiences with teamwork, particularly in their podcast and lab work. They express deep appreciation for the sense of unity and interdependence within their team, stating that success isn't just about the work, but also about the relationships and collaboration. The speaker reflects on how much they value their team, and that without them, the entire operation would collapse. This reinforces the theme that teamwork is essential not just for productivity, but for personal fulfillment and long-term success.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Team dynamics
💡Leadership
💡Human nature
💡Execution
💡Creativity
💡Role alignment
💡Motivation
💡Task complexity
💡Perseverance
💡Community
Highlights
Being hard-driving can be limiting if team members do not like each other.
Teams with good relationships outperform teams that do not get along.
Employees are likely to perform better if they like their leader.
Leadership involves understanding and leveraging human nature.
Characteristics of an executor can be identified through task completion.
Different people have different strengths in execution and creativity.
Building a team requires a balance of executors and idea generators.
Leaders should place individuals in roles that suit their natural strengths.
It's unrealistic to expect an introvert to become a lead salesperson.
Leaders should help people find roles they are good at and enjoy.
Loving one's job is critical for excelling at it.
There are rare cases where someone loves their job but isn't good at it.
Finding one's place in a community or team is important.
Jim Thibo's story illustrates the value of finding one's niche within a community.
The importance of team dynamics in achieving success.
The value of a team goes beyond just the work; it's about working together.
Transcripts
in yourself and in your observation of
people that you've worked with
did you ever sense that just being hard
driving was kind of
it was great but it was limiting like
did you ever sense that like by liking
the people you work with you could
perform much better
um even if they perhaps were not as hard
to kind of borrow the the common
parlance around this they weren't as
hard as everybody else that because you
like each other so so much that you can
kind of do anything well if you have a
team of
10 people and you all have a great
relationship and you get along well and
you're going against my team and we all
hate each other and we're who's going to
win the team that loves each other is
going to win I would hope it's not even
close it's not a matter of fact if you
work for me and you don't like me what
kind of performance are you going to
give me it's going to be tough what if
you love me and I've looked out for you
and I've done everything for you and
I've taken care of you what kind of
performance are you going to give me
yeah everything oh I Gotta Die for you
so yeah and you know earlier you you
asked about
um the human animal and human nature and
this is part of leadership I got asked
this question the other day by uh I was
working with a company and the guy says
you know how do I identify what are the
characteristics of someone that can
execute and how do I identify those
characteristics in a person
so that I can get those people
and I said well
first of all
the characteristics are the
characteristics that everybody's you
know obviously someone that's driven
someone that communicate well someone
that's going to make things happen those
are pretty simple to I to know we know
what they are how do you identify them
it's pretty simple as well
I give you a task I give Andrew a task
it's a pretty simple task if you get it
done cool give you a little bit more
complex task
do you get it done yes I give give the
same task to Fred he doesn't get it done
he comes back with a bunch of questions
he slow rolls he's got all kinds of
excuses and problems I give you an even
more complex task you come back you get
it done
and then I'm gonna realize okay Andrew's
the guy that makes things happen he's a
guy that can actually execute
any a little bit what you said I mean
there's certain breeds of dogs but even
that is it they're not as as as
different as
human beings are right like there and
there are some so so now there are some
guys I've got Andrew who will make
things happen
here's the problem with Andrew when I
say hey Andrew
here's this nebulous idea that I have
can you turn this into a reality and
you're like where do I start I'm not
sure where you want me to go meanwhile I
gave it to the guy that didn't make
anything happen with specific tasks that
I can says you know I say hey I got this
nebulous idea can you see what you he
goes oh yeah and all of a sudden he
takes it and he says Hey figure out a
way to make this happen so you might
have someone that's very good at
executing but they're not very creative
I might have somebody that's very
creative but they're not very good at
executing so what do I do I build a team
where I've got Andrew and Fred and they
work together and Fred comes up with
good ideas and we bring them to Andrew
and Andrew goes and executes them so
that's what we're doing from a
leadership perspective is we're letting
people's nature
execute and we're putting people into
roles where their nature is beneficial
I'm not going to take someone that's shy
and introverted and put him out in the
lead sales role I'm not going to take
somebody that's boisterous and
extroverted and put them into a cubicle
where they're going to be looking at
spreadsheets all day clearly I'm not
going to do that so what we have to do
as Leaders is we have to find the right
people for the right role and we place
them into those roles now does it mean
that I abandon all hope that the guy
that's an introvert will ever develop
more communication skills no I'm still
going to work with them and over time
we'll get him a little bit moving in the
right direction but I'm not going to
take somebody that's a a a a a a total
introvert and turn them into a lead
sales guy that's not going to happen any
more than I'm going to change the tiger
stripes so that's what we have to do is
we have to
help people as Leaders we have to help
people find the role and find the thing
that they're good at now
does that mean if I have someone that
loves their job they're going to do
better at it absolutely does it mean
that if I have somebody that's driven
just by achievement that they're going
to be good at their job no in fact well
they can be there's going to be certain
roles I can put them in right if I've
got a sales number I need to hit and and
Andrew's super into achievement he wants
to be the golden child who wants to have
his picture on the on the you know
magazine that we put out about our
industry cool I can throw this task at
you and you're gonna go and get it the
problem is
if there's something that's going to
take more perseverance
and the reward isn't that high or it's a
long-term goal you're probably not the
right guy for the job
so
liking your job is absolutely critical
and if you love your job you're going to
be able to you're going to be able to
most likely excel at it now you could be
an unfortunate person that loves your
job and is not good at it that happens
occasionally right yeah it seems to be
pretty rare it reminds me of your
skateboarding career yeah I love
skateboarding but you just weren't that
good at it you know what I loved more
than skateboarding I love the community
I love the community I was in and I Pro
and you know I probably would have gone
to the industry side or worked on a
company side and not been in this actual
skateboard side or just skateboard for
fun so there's a guy in the skateboard
Community his name is Jim thibo and he's
kind of the uh not so hidden secret in
that Community he's an amazing guy and
he's sort of uh early on left
professional skateboarding to run a
company real Deluxe a bunch of other
companies he's an amazing guy and he
told me the we become friends recently
and he said he realized he wasn't going
to be one of the big guys but he knew he
wanted to be in this community so he
found his place and I think everyone in
skateboarding looks to Jim as like the
guy who care he's you know he cares
about he truly cares about the sport and
about the people and so he learned to
kind of just wrap his arms and his heart
around the whole thing and it just works
and so I do think
um everyone has a certain place uh in a
community or in a team I think that as
you're describing this I have to imagine
that people are listening and thinking
like wow this team thing is awesome like
it's just amazing I wish I had that
right I'm fortunate to have that in my
podcast I've had that in my lab
certainly in the my podcast team I would
I I always say these guys go I go
like like it's not just it's the people
that press buttons and run equipment
take photos like they go I go like they
go it's over and I'm fine with that I
actually love that because it's it's yes
it's about the podcast but and about the
information and getting it out there but
it's as much about the team and working
together just like it was with
skateboarding
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