How to Build Great Teams | Jocko Willink & Dr. Andrew Huberman

Huberman Lab Clips
14 Feb 202307:02

Summary

TLDRThe transcript discusses leadership, team dynamics, and individual strengths. It emphasizes that liking the people you work with can significantly boost performance. Leaders should place individuals in roles suited to their natural abilities, whether they're strong executors or creative thinkers. The key to success lies in building cohesive teams with complementary strengths. The conversation touches on the speaker's personal experiences with skateboarding and podcasting, highlighting the importance of community and collaboration in achieving success and fulfillment.

Takeaways

  • 😀 Building a team with strong relationships leads to better performance than a team driven by pure ambition.
  • 🤝 If people like and care for each other, their commitment to the team's success increases significantly.
  • 💡 Leadership involves identifying and placing people in roles where their natural strengths can thrive.
  • 🎯 Different people excel at different tasks; some are better executors while others are more creative thinkers.
  • 🧠 A leader’s responsibility is to align people’s skills and personalities with the roles that suit them best.
  • 🏅 Achievers may excel in specific roles, but not all challenges will match their drive, especially long-term goals with fewer immediate rewards.
  • 🌟 Loving your job enhances performance, though in rare cases, passion might not always equate to competence.
  • 🤔 Leaders shouldn’t expect to drastically change someone’s nature but can encourage personal growth in areas like communication.
  • 💼 Personal connections to a community or team are often a greater driver of success than individual performance alone.
  • 🎙️ In podcasting or business, teamwork and shared goals are key to long-term success, and personal dedication to the team fosters unity and resilience.

Q & A

  • What is the importance of relationships in a team according to the speaker?

    -The speaker emphasizes that strong, positive relationships within a team significantly enhance performance. A team that likes and supports each other will outperform a team where members dislike each other, regardless of skill level.

  • How does the speaker differentiate between someone who can execute tasks and someone who is creative?

    -The speaker notes that someone may be good at executing specific tasks but struggle with creativity. On the other hand, someone creative might struggle with execution. The key to effective leadership is building a team where people with complementary strengths, like execution and creativity, work together.

  • What is the role of a leader when it comes to team members' strengths and weaknesses?

    -A leader's role is to place people in positions that align with their natural strengths. Leaders should not force individuals into roles that don't suit their personality or skills but should still work to help them improve gradually in areas where they are weaker.

  • Can someone who loves their job still underperform? If so, why?

    -Yes, it is possible for someone to love their job but still underperform. This can happen if the person is not naturally skilled at the tasks required for the job, despite their passion for it.

  • How does the speaker suggest identifying someone who is good at executing tasks?

    -The speaker suggests giving people progressively more complex tasks and observing how they handle them. Those who consistently complete tasks successfully and without excuses are the ones who can execute effectively.

  • Why is it important to place people in the right roles based on their personalities?

    -The speaker stresses that putting people in roles that align with their personalities leads to better performance. For example, placing an extroverted person in a sales role and an introverted person in a more analytical role plays to their natural strengths.

  • How does liking one’s job affect performance?

    -Liking one’s job can significantly improve performance because when people enjoy what they do, they are more motivated and likely to excel. However, passion alone does not guarantee competence.

  • What challenges might arise when assigning tasks to someone driven purely by achievement?

    -Someone driven purely by achievement might struggle with tasks that require long-term perseverance or offer low immediate rewards. They may excel in short-term, high-reward tasks but may not be the right person for more endurance-focused goals.

  • What personal anecdote does the speaker share about skateboarding?

    -The speaker shares that, despite loving skateboarding, they were not very good at it. However, they loved the community around skateboarding, which led them to stay involved in the sport in other ways.

  • How does the speaker relate their podcast team to the importance of teamwork?

    -The speaker describes their podcast team as an essential part of their success, emphasizing that they view the team as interconnected. If the team members fail or leave, so does the podcast's success, demonstrating the importance of unity in achieving goals.

Outlines

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🤝 The Power of Relationships in Team Performance

This paragraph emphasizes the impact of positive relationships within a team on overall performance. It contrasts teams with strong bonds against those with internal discord, suggesting that mutual care and respect drive better outcomes. The speaker discusses how people are more motivated to perform well for leaders they like and who have supported them, leading to a higher level of commitment and effort. The conversation touches on human nature in leadership, underscoring the importance of building a team where members enjoy working together.

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🧩 Matching the Right People to the Right Roles

The speaker highlights the importance of recognizing individual strengths and placing people in roles that align with their abilities. They explain that some individuals excel at executing tasks, while others are more creative but less efficient in execution. The key to leadership is building a team that complements each other's skills, pairing creative thinkers with effective executors. The discussion also touches on not forcing individuals into roles that don't suit their nature, while still helping them grow in areas of weakness. This paragraph emphasizes a strategic approach to team composition based on natural inclinations.

❤️ Loving Your Job and the Pursuit of Excellence

Here, the speaker stresses how crucial it is for people to love their jobs to excel at them. They acknowledge that while passion is important, it doesn't always guarantee success in every case. They humorously refer to skateboarding, using it as an example of how someone can love a pursuit but may not be highly skilled at it. They shift the focus to community, recognizing that finding one's place within a supportive environment can lead to personal and professional fulfillment. The anecdote about Jim Thibo from the skateboarding community highlights how embracing a community role can bring success in a different way, even without being a top performer.

🎙️ The Importance of Teamwork in Every Endeavor

This paragraph delves into the speaker's personal experiences with teamwork, particularly in their podcast and lab work. They express deep appreciation for the sense of unity and interdependence within their team, stating that success isn't just about the work, but also about the relationships and collaboration. The speaker reflects on how much they value their team, and that without them, the entire operation would collapse. This reinforces the theme that teamwork is essential not just for productivity, but for personal fulfillment and long-term success.

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Keywords

💡Team dynamics

Team dynamics refers to how team members interact and work together. In the video, it is highlighted that a team with strong, positive relationships will outperform a team where members dislike each other, regardless of individual talent. The importance of liking and trusting one’s teammates is emphasized, as it directly influences motivation and performance.

💡Leadership

Leadership in the video is portrayed as the ability to understand individuals' strengths and place them in roles where they can excel. The speaker stresses that effective leaders recognize the nature of their team members and assign tasks accordingly, rather than expecting everyone to perform in the same way. A key part of leadership is supporting individuals’ growth while aligning their strengths with team goals.

💡Human nature

Human nature refers to the inherent characteristics and behaviors of people. The speaker connects this concept to leadership, explaining that understanding human nature helps in identifying people’s strengths and weaknesses. Leaders who grasp human nature are more adept at building successful teams by placing individuals in roles that fit their natural tendencies.

💡Execution

Execution is the ability to follow through on tasks and complete them effectively. The video differentiates between people who are good at executing specific tasks and those who struggle. The speaker discusses how leaders can identify strong executors by progressively assigning more complex tasks, and how execution is essential for achieving team objectives.

💡Creativity

Creativity refers to the ability to generate innovative ideas and solutions. The video contrasts creativity with execution, explaining that some individuals are great at coming up with ideas but may not be as strong in implementing them. A successful team needs a balance of both creativity and execution, with members who complement each other's skills.

💡Role alignment

Role alignment is about placing people in positions that suit their natural strengths and preferences. In the video, the speaker emphasizes that it is crucial for leaders to match individuals to roles where they can thrive. For example, an introverted person would not be suited for a high-energy sales role, just as a creative thinker might struggle with task-based execution roles.

💡Motivation

Motivation is the driving force that compels individuals to take action and perform. The speaker illustrates how motivation can be significantly influenced by interpersonal relationships, with individuals who feel cared for and valued by their leaders performing at a higher level. Additionally, motivation can vary based on whether a person is driven by achievement or personal interest in the task.

💡Task complexity

Task complexity refers to the level of difficulty and ambiguity involved in completing a given assignment. In the video, the speaker mentions how different people respond to varying levels of task complexity, using it as a way to gauge someone's ability to execute. Some individuals excel at simple, straightforward tasks, while others thrive when given more complex and challenging problems.

💡Perseverance

Perseverance is the ability to persist through challenges and long-term tasks. The speaker contrasts individuals who are motivated by short-term achievements with those who have the perseverance needed for more drawn-out, difficult goals. He explains that perseverance is a key trait for certain roles, especially when the reward is distant or not immediately apparent.

💡Community

Community represents the sense of belonging and shared purpose within a group. The speaker reflects on how being part of a community, such as in his skateboarding experience, can provide personal fulfillment, even if one is not the most talented individual. The concept emphasizes that individuals can find their place in a community and contribute in different ways, based on their strengths and passions.

Highlights

Being hard-driving can be limiting if team members do not like each other.

Teams with good relationships outperform teams that do not get along.

Employees are likely to perform better if they like their leader.

Leadership involves understanding and leveraging human nature.

Characteristics of an executor can be identified through task completion.

Different people have different strengths in execution and creativity.

Building a team requires a balance of executors and idea generators.

Leaders should place individuals in roles that suit their natural strengths.

It's unrealistic to expect an introvert to become a lead salesperson.

Leaders should help people find roles they are good at and enjoy.

Loving one's job is critical for excelling at it.

There are rare cases where someone loves their job but isn't good at it.

Finding one's place in a community or team is important.

Jim Thibo's story illustrates the value of finding one's niche within a community.

The importance of team dynamics in achieving success.

The value of a team goes beyond just the work; it's about working together.

Transcripts

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in yourself and in your observation of

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people that you've worked with

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did you ever sense that just being hard

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driving was kind of

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it was great but it was limiting like

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did you ever sense that like by liking

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the people you work with you could

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perform much better

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um even if they perhaps were not as hard

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to kind of borrow the the common

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parlance around this they weren't as

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hard as everybody else that because you

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like each other so so much that you can

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kind of do anything well if you have a

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team of

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10 people and you all have a great

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relationship and you get along well and

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you're going against my team and we all

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hate each other and we're who's going to

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win the team that loves each other is

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going to win I would hope it's not even

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close it's not a matter of fact if you

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work for me and you don't like me what

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kind of performance are you going to

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give me it's going to be tough what if

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you love me and I've looked out for you

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and I've done everything for you and

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I've taken care of you what kind of

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performance are you going to give me

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yeah everything oh I Gotta Die for you

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so yeah and you know earlier you you

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asked about

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um the human animal and human nature and

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this is part of leadership I got asked

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this question the other day by uh I was

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working with a company and the guy says

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you know how do I identify what are the

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characteristics of someone that can

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execute and how do I identify those

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characteristics in a person

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so that I can get those people

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and I said well

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first of all

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the characteristics are the

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characteristics that everybody's you

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know obviously someone that's driven

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someone that communicate well someone

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that's going to make things happen those

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are pretty simple to I to know we know

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what they are how do you identify them

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it's pretty simple as well

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I give you a task I give Andrew a task

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it's a pretty simple task if you get it

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done cool give you a little bit more

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complex task

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do you get it done yes I give give the

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same task to Fred he doesn't get it done

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he comes back with a bunch of questions

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he slow rolls he's got all kinds of

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excuses and problems I give you an even

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more complex task you come back you get

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it done

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and then I'm gonna realize okay Andrew's

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the guy that makes things happen he's a

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guy that can actually execute

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any a little bit what you said I mean

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there's certain breeds of dogs but even

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that is it they're not as as as

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different as

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human beings are right like there and

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there are some so so now there are some

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guys I've got Andrew who will make

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things happen

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here's the problem with Andrew when I

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say hey Andrew

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here's this nebulous idea that I have

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can you turn this into a reality and

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you're like where do I start I'm not

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sure where you want me to go meanwhile I

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gave it to the guy that didn't make

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anything happen with specific tasks that

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I can says you know I say hey I got this

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nebulous idea can you see what you he

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goes oh yeah and all of a sudden he

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takes it and he says Hey figure out a

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way to make this happen so you might

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have someone that's very good at

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executing but they're not very creative

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I might have somebody that's very

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creative but they're not very good at

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executing so what do I do I build a team

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where I've got Andrew and Fred and they

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work together and Fred comes up with

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good ideas and we bring them to Andrew

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and Andrew goes and executes them so

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that's what we're doing from a

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leadership perspective is we're letting

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people's nature

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execute and we're putting people into

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roles where their nature is beneficial

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I'm not going to take someone that's shy

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and introverted and put him out in the

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lead sales role I'm not going to take

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somebody that's boisterous and

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extroverted and put them into a cubicle

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where they're going to be looking at

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spreadsheets all day clearly I'm not

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going to do that so what we have to do

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as Leaders is we have to find the right

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people for the right role and we place

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them into those roles now does it mean

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that I abandon all hope that the guy

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that's an introvert will ever develop

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more communication skills no I'm still

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going to work with them and over time

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we'll get him a little bit moving in the

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right direction but I'm not going to

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take somebody that's a a a a a a total

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introvert and turn them into a lead

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sales guy that's not going to happen any

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more than I'm going to change the tiger

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stripes so that's what we have to do is

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we have to

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help people as Leaders we have to help

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people find the role and find the thing

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that they're good at now

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does that mean if I have someone that

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loves their job they're going to do

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better at it absolutely does it mean

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that if I have somebody that's driven

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just by achievement that they're going

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to be good at their job no in fact well

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they can be there's going to be certain

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roles I can put them in right if I've

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got a sales number I need to hit and and

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Andrew's super into achievement he wants

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to be the golden child who wants to have

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his picture on the on the you know

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magazine that we put out about our

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industry cool I can throw this task at

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you and you're gonna go and get it the

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problem is

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if there's something that's going to

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take more perseverance

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and the reward isn't that high or it's a

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long-term goal you're probably not the

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right guy for the job

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so

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liking your job is absolutely critical

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and if you love your job you're going to

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be able to you're going to be able to

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most likely excel at it now you could be

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an unfortunate person that loves your

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job and is not good at it that happens

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occasionally right yeah it seems to be

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pretty rare it reminds me of your

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skateboarding career yeah I love

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skateboarding but you just weren't that

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good at it you know what I loved more

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than skateboarding I love the community

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I love the community I was in and I Pro

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and you know I probably would have gone

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to the industry side or worked on a

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company side and not been in this actual

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skateboard side or just skateboard for

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fun so there's a guy in the skateboard

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Community his name is Jim thibo and he's

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kind of the uh not so hidden secret in

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that Community he's an amazing guy and

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he's sort of uh early on left

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professional skateboarding to run a

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company real Deluxe a bunch of other

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companies he's an amazing guy and he

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told me the we become friends recently

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and he said he realized he wasn't going

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to be one of the big guys but he knew he

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wanted to be in this community so he

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found his place and I think everyone in

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skateboarding looks to Jim as like the

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guy who care he's you know he cares

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about he truly cares about the sport and

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about the people and so he learned to

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kind of just wrap his arms and his heart

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around the whole thing and it just works

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and so I do think

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um everyone has a certain place uh in a

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community or in a team I think that as

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you're describing this I have to imagine

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that people are listening and thinking

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like wow this team thing is awesome like

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it's just amazing I wish I had that

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right I'm fortunate to have that in my

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podcast I've had that in my lab

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certainly in the my podcast team I would

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I I always say these guys go I go

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like like it's not just it's the people

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that press buttons and run equipment

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take photos like they go I go like they

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go it's over and I'm fine with that I

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actually love that because it's it's yes

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it's about the podcast but and about the

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information and getting it out there but

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it's as much about the team and working

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together just like it was with

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skateboarding

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