Caedrel's Thoughts On The Potential Worlds Meta

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14 Sept 202415:13

Summary

TLDRIn this video transcript, the discussion revolves around the potential meta for the upcoming League of Legends World Championship. The participants speculate on which champions might dominate, with Yone being a likely pick, and AP mids like Orianna and Sylas potentially rising due to jungle changes. They also discuss the impact of recent nerfs on champions like Rumble and how the meta might shift, with Jarvan IV and Jinx emerging as strong picks. The conversation touches on the strategies and preparations of various teams, including the challenges of scrim quality and jet lag for international teams.

Takeaways

  • 🔮 The meta for Worlds is uncertain, but Yone is speculated to be a high pick.
  • 📈 The jungle changes might lead to an increase in AP mids, with champions like Sylas and Orianna potentially rising in the meta.
  • 🏆 The conversation suggests that champions like Twisted Fate, Silas, and Ahri could be strong picks at Worlds.
  • 📊 Solo queue statistics are used to predict the meta, with high win rate champions like Orianna, Silas, LeBlanc, and Twisted Fate being highlighted.
  • 🛡️ Supportive mids like Taliyah and Ahri are considered strong, and Jarvan IV's strength is debated due to the potential rise of AD junglers.
  • 🗡️ Katarina is not considered an S-tier pick, and Garen is mentioned as a counter to LeBlanc.
  • 🛑 Recent nerfs to champions like Rumble and Miss Fortune are discussed, with concerns about their impact on the Worlds meta.
  • 🚀 The script mentions that champions like Jarvan IV and Jinx could be meta picks due to buffs or other champions' nerfs.
  • 🌐 The impact of regional teams staying in their regions for practice and the potential for different meta developments is discussed.
  • ⏰ The timing of team preparations for Worlds and the challenges of adjusting to jet lag and finding quality scrims are highlighted.

Q & A

  • What is the discussion about in the transcript?

    -The discussion is about the potential meta for the League of Legends World Championship, including champion tier lists, potential picks, and the impact of recent balance changes on the game.

  • Who is Yon mentioned in the transcript?

    -Yon is likely a reference to Yone, a champion in League of Legends, who is being discussed as a potential pick for Worlds due to the current meta.

  • What does 'pck' stand for in the context of the transcript?

    -In the context of the transcript, 'pck' likely stands for 'pick', referring to the selection of champions in the game.

  • What does 'meta' mean in the context of this discussion?

    -In the context of this discussion, 'meta' refers to the most effective tactics available, or the most powerful strategies or champions in the current state of the game.

  • What changes are being discussed that might affect the Worlds meta?

    -The changes being discussed include balance updates to champions like Katarina, LeBlanc, and Smolder Ziggs, as well as broader jungle changes that could impact the AD jungle meta.

  • Why is the jungle change significant according to the discussion?

    -The jungle change is significant because it could lead to a rise in AP mid laners becoming meta due to the way the changes affect jungle gameplay and its knock-on effect on other roles.

  • What does 'Solo Q' refer to in the transcript?

    -'Solo Q' refers to solo queue, the normal game mode in League of Legends where players are matched against others of similar skill level without pre-made teams.

  • Why is the pick rate of champions important in the discussion?

    -The pick rate of champions is important because it indicates which champions are popular and successful in the current meta, which can influence drafting strategies at Worlds.

  • What nerfs are mentioned that could affect the Worlds meta?

    -The nerfs mentioned include base health reduction for Smolder Ziggs, AP reduction on his Q, and minion damage reduction for push-outs, which could affect his early game strength.

  • What is the significance of the '3A debuff' mentioned in the transcript?

    -The '3A debuff' likely refers to a debuff that affects attack speed, which could significantly impact champions who rely heavily on auto-attacks, such as Vayne.

  • Why is the discussion about the Worlds meta important for professional teams?

    -The discussion about the Worlds meta is important for professional teams because understanding the strongest champions and strategies can give them an advantage in drafting and gameplay during the tournament.

Outlines

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🎮 Worlds Meta Predictions and Champion Analysis

The speaker discusses the potential meta for the League of Legends World Championship, speculating on which champions might be strong. They mention Yon as a possible top pick, and discuss the impact of jungle changes on the meta, suggesting that AP mids could become more prevalent. They also ponder the possibility of champions like Scarner, Vgo, and VI being influential, and consider the likelihood of picks like Rice and Syra. The conversation touches on the importance of solo queue performance as an indicator of potential meta trends, highlighting champions like Oriana, Silas, LeBlanc, and TF that have seen a surge in win rates. The speaker also debates the strength of certain champions like Katarina and Garen, and the potential for LeBlanc to be a counter pick.

05:00

📉 Impact of Recent Balance Changes on Champions

In this paragraph, the speaker delves into the effects of recent balance changes on various champions. They express concern over the nerfs to Rumble, noting a significant drop in his win rate due to reduced early game damage. The conversation also covers the impact of nerfs on Nasus, with a drop in pick rate and win rate, and the effects on champions like MF and Bas. The speaker speculates on how these changes might influence the meta, with some champions becoming less viable and others potentially rising in prominence. They also discuss the potential for certain champions to remain strong despite nerfs, and the strategic implications for teams heading into Worlds.

10:01

🏆 Preparing for Worlds and Scrimming Strategies

The speaker discusses the preparations for the World Championship, focusing on the strategies teams might employ in terms of scrimming and adapting to the meta. They mention that LCK and LPL teams will stay in their regions until shortly before Worlds to avoid jet lag, while EU and NA teams will have to make do with scrimming each other. The speaker suggests that EU and NA teams might find unique strategies due to limited interaction with other regions but also expresses concern about the quality of practice. They also touch on the idea of boot camps and the potential benefits and drawbacks of traveling to Korea for practice sessions, ultimately suggesting that staying in the EU and focusing on solo queue might be more beneficial.

15:03

🗓 Timeline and Logistics for Worlds

In the final paragraph, the speaker briefly discusses the timeline and logistics surrounding the World Championship. They note the late lock-in of the final team for Worlds in Korea and the proximity of the event's start, suggesting that the schedule is unusually tight. This leads to a reflection on the potential challenges teams might face in terms of preparation and adaptation to the event's demands.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Meta

In the context of the video, 'Meta' refers to the most effective tactics available. It is used to describe the optimal strategies, champion picks, and playstyles in competitive gaming, particularly in League of Legends. The script discusses how certain champions might dominate the 'meta' at the World Championship, indicating the importance of adapting to these trends to gain a competitive edge.

💡Champion

A 'Champion' in League of Legends is a playable character with unique abilities. The script frequently mentions specific champions, such as Yone, Swain, and Katarina, discussing their potential strength or 'meta' status in the upcoming Worlds tournament. Champions' performance and popularity can shift with game updates and are central to strategic discussions.

💡Patch

A 'Patch' in gaming refers to updates made to a game that can include changes to game mechanics, champion abilities, or balance adjustments. The script discusses how the new patch affects champion win rates and playstyles, emphasizing the impact of patches on the game's 'meta' and competitive scene.

💡Solo Queue

'Solo Queue' is a game mode where players queue up alone for ranked matches in League of Legends. It is mentioned as a measure to predict the potential 'meta' for Worlds, as high win rate champions in Solo Queue might indicate their strength in professional play.

💡Tier List

A 'Tier List' ranks items, in this case, champions, from best to worst based on their perceived power or utility. The script mentions an LS's Worlds tier list, which categorizes champions into tiers, helping players and teams decide which champions to prioritize.

💡Counter Pick

A 'Counter Pick' is a champion selected to gain an advantage over an opponent's choice in a draft. The script discusses Katarina as a potential counter pick against certain champions, highlighting the strategic element of champion selection in competitive gaming.

💡Jungle

The 'Jungle' is a part of the map in League of Legends where players called 'Junglers' roam to clear neutral monsters and help lanes. The script speculates that changes to the jungle could influence the 'meta', affecting which champions are强势.

💡Pick Rate

'Pick Rate' refers to how often a champion is chosen in games. The script analyzes pick rates to predict which champions might be强势at Worlds, as high pick rates can indicate a champion's popularity and effectiveness.

💡Nerf

A 'Nerf' is a reduction in power or effectiveness of a game element, often a champion or item. The script discusses several nerfs to champions like Smolder, Rumble, and MF, explaining how these changes might affect their viability in the competitive 'meta'.

💡Buff

A 'Buff' is an increase in power or effectiveness. The script mentions buffs to champions like Jack and VGO, discussing how these enhancements might make them more viable or强势in the upcoming Worlds tournament.

💡Scrim

'Scrim' is short for 'scrimmage' and refers to practice matches between teams. The script discusses how teams prepare for Worlds by scrimmaging, and how the location and timing of these practices can affect team performance.

Highlights

Discussion on the potential meta for the Worlds tournament, with a focus on champion picks and strategies.

Yon is predicted to be a high priority pick due to his versatility and impact on the game.

AP junglers might become meta due to changes in the jungle, influencing the drafting of AP mids.

Champions like Scarner, VGO, and VI are expected to see playtime at Worlds.

Rice is speculated to be a strong pick at Worlds, potentially leading to Syra or Oriana being drafted.

The meta could either remain the same or shift significantly due to the large changes in the game.

Solo queue performance is used as a measure to predict which champions might be meta at Worlds.

High win rate champions in the new patch include Oriana, Silas, LeBlanc, and TF, indicating potential meta picks.

The impact of the meta on specific teams and players is discussed, such as Knight and his champion pool.

Nerfs to champions like Smolder, Ziggs, and Rumble are analyzed for their potential impact on the Worlds meta.

The discussion of how the meta might evolve, with champions like Jarvan and VGO potentially becoming strong picks.

The potential for surprise picks from teams that don't have access to scrims with Korean and Chinese teams.

The debate on the value of Korean boot camps for teams like Team Liquid, considering the timing and jet lag.

The late finalization of the Korean team for Worlds and its implications for preparation and strategy.

The potential for top laners like Nar and Riven to remain strong in the top lane meta.

The impact of nerfs on champions like Jack and how they affect the win rates and pick rates.

The discussion on how the meta might affect specific players and their preferred champions, such as Viper and his comfort with Jinx.

Transcripts

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what will be the meta for worlds uh I

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don't know I think yeah yon will

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probably be the highest

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pry did you see ls's worlds tier list no

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I didn't King it me you think zigs is

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going to be op at

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Worlds you think Swain's

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op Karma oh he made it with APPA

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ah yeah I don't think Katarina is an S

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tier counter pick is

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she Garen I guess against n is

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sure he hates LeBlanc doesn't he yeah i

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a l I disagree

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with my opinion of the mid meta is yon

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will be 100% pck

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Ben and I think if ad jungle meta is

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popping up because of the the jungle

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change then AP mids will become meta and

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I wonder if drafts will look like

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scarner

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vgo

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um VI

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will give birth to Champs like

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TF

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Silas

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uh Ari Talia jarvin will be

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strong um I think rice might be a pick

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at Worlds and if rice is meta then Syra

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could be good or Oriana if if Ari is is

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meta then Leandra could be meta feel

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like this might be where the meta goes

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the meta either stays the exact same or

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it goes this direction which I feel like

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it's

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possible cuz the changes are so big

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already on Soul yeah I think already on

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soul will be a big pick for worlds as

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well maybe not sure but uh yeah I think

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highest present chance when you do your

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picks I would put yon very

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safe cuz like if you look at how solo

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Q's been going actually on the new

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patch High win rate Champs Oriana Silas

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LeBlanc

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TF I mean their win rates have just been

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skyrocketing look at that look at the

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pick rate as well and if tf's meta that

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means syas is meta Oriana's pick rate

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skyrocketed as

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well and solo Q is the only measure you

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have to go off

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right I would look at Diamond Plus

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though um obviously there's some things

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you have to ignore did I just grief it

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patch 148

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mid yeah Aurora will be mid meta

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obviously uh Talia is good yeah these

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are all supportive SL mag mids

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right Ari yeah I think this will be the

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direction The Meta goes and then you'll

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see Champs like jarvin be strong I think

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jarvin vgo maybe the Champs that's yeah

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vgo that that suit

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them I think this will be the direction

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it goes I mean I I think seani will

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still be meta as

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well or will be enabled for worlds

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yeah CH what were the counters to Aurora

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what were people picking into

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Aurora and it's so hard to say that

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Champ's name Aurora [ __ ] my my mouth is

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getting rolled what people what were

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people picking into it Mages

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or Gallo syndra oh yeah Leandra e can

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probably get out of Aurora ult

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right but don't you just get mega

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outrange and Lane and get [ __ ] poke

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down yeah smolder man I hate the I hate

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the fact that playoffs in LP on LSK was

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run by smolder zigs and we're going to

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get to Worlds and I I presume that

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they're not going to be picked at

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all Health down

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by 30 30 base Health down hurts his

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early Lane a little bit they took AP off

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his Q which is fine he just don't go lri

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I guess just go crit they took five base

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damage off glob damage they took

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five base off as well and they reduce

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the minion monster damage for push outs

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yeah maybe smaller is actually fine

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passive damage to structures is

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decreased it's half are these neres

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strong enough I guess the fleet Nerf

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hurts smaller as well a lot maybe

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smolder Z are not that bad you just go

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grasp on smolder right

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yeah oh my my

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god when did the fatch come out the 11th

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so three days ago so the last three days

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everyone's going

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grasp three or four days and everyone's

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going grasp already or what he doesn't

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like no one's even building laries

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really either there's one

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two I me they're not getting to late

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game in the first place right but

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everyone's just playing crits smaller

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anyway so it's B base heals down a tiny

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bit but I don't know if that's going to

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matter too

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much the Q damage five down base a

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smaller just going to be op for worlds

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as well man I swear

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man uh I think Rumble is dead though

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right like this hurts his early Lane so

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much like the base damage on his Q is

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down by like 20 to 15 base

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early like Rumble is [ __ ] right his

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his early Lane sucks obviously Rumble VI

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with Rumble is still good but his early

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Lane is so

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bad what happened to rumble wiater it

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tanked like [ __ ] he's at 48% win rate

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right now they took 3% win rate off

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Rumble with that Nerf my God his win

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rate got absolutely [ __ ] gutted what

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about in high higho yeah in higho is

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also kind of gutted how did real get

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hurt by the

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Nerfs not not that

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much think ra being met at Worlds is big

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problem for T1

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nasus I'm just curious what the the the

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win rates

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are NASA pick rate dropped off a cliff

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it halfed everyone just dropped

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it his win rate went from 51 to

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50 base ad down base ad actually is

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underrated how much it hurts I guess

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misfortune's probably oh my God what

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she went from 53% win rate almost 54 to

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50% wait MF fell off a cliff as well

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what she went from 15% pick rate to

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eight yeah Bas a Nerfs hurt a

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lot Bas ad for any AD carry even like

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Graves jungle is [ __ ]

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horrendous oh

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maai yeah the BT Nerfs hurt as well maai

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pick rate didn't get changed much though

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not the worst no one plays maai in Solo

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anyway Lilia Nerf I don't think is that

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bad my God it is that bad well it's 3%

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she's still strong

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though 51.4% is still not bad

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52% it's not dead but yeah I mean I mean

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Lilia MF was a thing right base armor

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decreases hurt a lot this actually is a

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big Nerf because if you play Leona

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versus rata now in lane four armor off

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when they're just [ __ ] auto attacking

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you to the ground say the range supports

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for Leona Now is really difficult Q slow

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e bonus move I feel like any any

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movement speed increases like Q slow for

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example on his to disguise what this

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helps a lot with is it doesn't help with

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chasing it helps with auto spacing like

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asj if you Hammer form que them in lane

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and then Swap and then like space them

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with your form it's

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crazy same with the

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E so like pro pro pro players might

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benefit from that R armor Mr onit damage

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and Champion well the Jack Buffs armor

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granted is up magic resist is up on hit

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magic damage is up his win rate went

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down because his pick rate went

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up so people were like oh Jack is op and

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they all locked it in and started losing

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because they're not Jax meanss then it

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started evening out when everyone

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started giving up playing

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JS Shield base a is increased for Nar

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that's nice Cory Q damage decrease R

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damage decrease that hurts damage

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decrease Aurora e damage what else was

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there vgo got buffed a bit on his ad

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which is huge I mean vgo I'm guessing

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with the 3A debuff that was vgo the [ __ ]

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did I just write in like for example 3A

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debuff how big is that what else the

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debuff bonus damage to monsters is down

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but 3 a is Mega his pick rate

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skyrocketed

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his win rate only went up a tiny bit the

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ban rate in soloy also skyrocketed armor

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growth increased Q damage increased bro

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I think sinza is such a nice champ I

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love that champ is went down from the

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Buffs or what it went up

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down sitting at a really high win

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rate zeri passive damage bro did zeri

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just get gutted into the

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ground she went from 51.5% win rate to

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48.7

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Jesus I mean the BT Nerfs probably hurt

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her as well

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right yeah the max Health being reduced

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on her passive

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HTS zigs did is zigs being played much

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in Solo it probably didn't affect him

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that

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much because they don't really use zigs

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in Solo Cube for getting towers do

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they didn't do anything to zigs nothing

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happened look at jvin rate he got 1%

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passive damage right what

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so you're telling

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me he lost 1% oh wait it went up I

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thought he lost it he got 1% extra

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passive damage bro I'm telling you

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jarvin is the [ __ ] pick of Worlds

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this might be a mega pick because

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especially when Champs like Zer are

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nerfed right any IM any mobile ads that

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get nerfed and any immobile ads that get

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buffed like Jinx jarvan's position in

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the draft just becomes even

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better Jinx ra went up a time tiny bit

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wow Jinx is sitting at what the [ __ ] in

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master tier plus she's sitting at

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54% what I mean she's always high in

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Solo CU but she's number one number two

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why is Lucian ad So High Poppy support

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is S Plus tier Nami is buffed or what is

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that why lucian's winning every game or

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huh what happened to Lucian Nami this

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meta is going to be

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weird I think blg is winning hardcore on

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this meta the only problem is like for

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example azir falling out of the meta is

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great for Knight like his champion pool

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is great he doesn't play azir azir's

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Gone way is like the ad jungler CEO vgo

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[ __ ] leing zenzal VI

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jarvin he loves those Champs he's not

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he's it's not that he's bad on AP Champs

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but like when he was in RNG this was

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just his met right World 22 like he just

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mained it he mained it

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he meanss that

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[ __ ] also Ari Buffs are great for

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Knight is uh everything's everything's

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good for him this is good for Knight

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Knight and we get big wins from this

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also elk I think is

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fine elk is good at everything he can

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play

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anything AOS chinx popped TI most

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plates yeah I think blg is in a good

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spot to win Worlds this year here peanut

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is not too upset about this meta he

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likes vgo I think Zea is not too upset

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with Ari being

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meta with Silas being

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meta Talia he's fine with

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that I think Viper's pretty happy with

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it

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too 71% Jinx 21

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games yeah don't think Viper's too bit

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bothered think top meta is probably

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still quite similar no cuz Nar rington

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Canon Top Lane meta looks like it's not

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changed at

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all the only difference is Fleet

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Nerfs however that affects any of the

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Champs

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there and there's probably less Lane

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swaps oh yeah Jack Buffs but people are

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still playing Jax I mean JX was played

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today Doran played JX in the

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finals uh zus played Jax

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today bin plays Jacks but he didn't bin

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didn't play that much checks this year

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actually or the split he has one Jack

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game but I mean he can bust it out

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whenever everyone's been playing Jack

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already yeah so T1 has a a media day on

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the 20th of August or the 22nd of August

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I don't think the L the problem the

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problem that EU and and a

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have yeah is the lck and the LPL teams

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will stay in China and

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Korea or August sorry SE October

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September sorry uh they're going to stay

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in China and Korea until like 3 days

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before world to avoid jet lag and scrim

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each other so the EU and na teams just

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have to scrim each other until 3 days

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before Swiss stage starts and then these

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mother suckers Rock

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up it's a

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horror it's a good and a bad thing the

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good thing is that maybe EU and a find

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something that Korea and China don't and

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we have surprise picks the bad thing is

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the quality of practice is probably

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worse

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right team liquid's going to Korea bro

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I'm a big advocate for um Korean boot

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camp

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but I just don't think it's worth it

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it's the 14th yeah let's say they got to

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Korea 4 days ago you go to Korea for 20

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days and

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scrim you have to adjust to jet lag and

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then readjust to jet lag oh they're

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going to Netherlands they're going to I

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feel like if you have a if you have like

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a month and a half or worlds is in Korea

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obviously going there early is great but

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I think just going there adjusting to

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jet lag for three or four days and

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coming back adjusting like 3 or four

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days you get like a week and a half of

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scrims the teams also probably don't

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want to scrim you or you you're not

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guaranteed the best scrims I think just

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better to settle into EU play EU solo Q

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get the cre the solo Q accounts up high

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low it's not worth for Korean boot camps

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also it's kind of crazy that Korea just

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locked its final team for worlds and

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world starts

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in what 11 days the [ __ ] I know they're

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not playing swiss but it's kind of odd

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so late it's so

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late uh so early sorry well it's late

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that they played but

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yeah but I guess last year was just it

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just took forever because of [ __ ] um

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