The origin of Israel-Palestine conflict
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses the historical events surrounding the establishment of Israel in 1948, known as the Nakba for Palestinians, which involved the displacement of approximately 700,000 Palestinians. The conversation highlights differing perspectives on the United Nations' role, the partition plan, and the actions of both Arab and Jewish communities. It touches on the complexities of the conflict, including the resistance to partition, the ensuing civil war, and the ultimate failure to establish a Palestinian state, emphasizing the significance of these events in understanding contemporary Middle Eastern issues.
Takeaways
- πΊοΈ The 1948 events are pivotal, marking the establishment of Israel and the Nakba for Palestinians, leading to the displacement of approximately 700,000 Palestinians.
- ποΈ The UN's role in 1948 was to address a practical problem of two national communities with irreconcilable differences, rather than adjudicating rights and wrongs.
- π The UN Special Committee on Palestine recommended a two-state solution, with a minority position advocating for a single state under certain conditions.
- π The UN Partition Plan of 1947 envisioned two states with guarantees of full equality for all citizens, irrespective of demographic majorities.
- π€ The concept of 'Jewish State' and 'Arab State' was ambiguous, raising questions about the nature of these states beyond demographic differences.
- πΊπ³ The Soviet Union's stance, as expressed by Foreign Minister Gromyko, wasεεδΈ supportive of a single state but acknowledged the necessity of a two-state solution given the intractable conflict.
- π The Zionist movement's ideology was inherently expansionist, with transfer (expulsion) of the Arab population seen as inevitable for the establishment of a Jewish state.
- βοΈ The Arab rejection of the partition resolution and their initiation of hostilities led to a civil war and, subsequently, an Arab invasion aiming to prevent a Jewish state.
- πΉ The 1948 Arab-Israeli War resulted in Israeli victory and the establishment of Israel, while Palestinians became stateless, with their return prevented by Israeli policies.
- π The acquisition of land by Jewish organizations prior to the British Mandate period is highlighted, challenging the narrative of unjust land distribution.
- π The historical narrative often starts at 1947 or 1948, potentially overlooking earlier events and focusing on the catastrophe and moral judgments without considering the broader historical context.
Q & A
What is the significance of the year 1948 for Israelis and Palestinians?
-For Israelis, 1948 marks the establishment of the State of Israel and its War of Independence. For Palestinians, it represents the Nakba, or catastrophe, which involved the displacement of around 700,000 Palestinians from their homes due to the war.
What was the UN's role in addressing the Palestine question after World War II?
-After World War II, the British decided they no longer wanted to deal with the Palestine question and handed the issue over to the United Nations. The UN was confronted with the practical problem of two national communities in Palestine with irreconcilable differences, particularly on the issues of immigration and land. The UN Special Committee on Palestine recommended the partition of Palestine into two states, a decision that was eventually supported by the UN General Assembly.
What was the minority position regarding the partition of Palestine within the UN Special Committee?
-The minority position, supported by Iran, India, and Yugoslavia, favored a single state but acknowledged that if forced into a two-state solution, the communities might find a way to live together. However, they believed that the two-state solution was not the best option.
What did the UN partition resolution entail for the Jewish and Arab states?
-The UN partition resolution called for the establishment of a Jewish state and an Arab state, with the understanding that each state would have to guarantee full equality of all citizens regarding political, civil, and religious matters, regardless of the demographic majority.
What was the Soviet foreign minister's stance on the establishment of a Jewish state?
-The Soviet foreign minister, Andrei Gromyko, supported the establishment of a Jewish state, acknowledging the exceptional sorrow and suffering of the Jewish people, especially during the Holocaust. He initially supported a single state but was open to a two-state solution if the Jewish and Arab populations of Palestine could not be reconciled.
How did the Arab community react to the UN partition resolution?
-The Arab community, both the Arab states and the Arabs of Palestine, rejected the UN partition resolution outright. They were against the principle of partition and the idea of a Jewish state within Palestine.
What was the outcome of the Arab rejection of the partition resolution and the subsequent war?
-The Arab rejection of the partition resolution and their decision to launch a war against the Jewish community in Palestine led to a civil war and, eventually, an invasion by the Arab states. This resulted in the establishment of the State of Israel after the Jews resisted and defeated the Arab forces in a two-stage war.
What was the 'nakba' and why did it occur?
-The 'nakba', meaning catastrophe, refers to the displacement of a large number of Palestinians from their homes during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. It occurred as a result of the conflict between the Arab and Jewish communities, and the subsequent war initiated by the Arab states against the newly declared State of Israel.
What was the role of the Zionist movement in the events leading up to 1948?
-The Zionist movement played a crucial role in advocating for a Jewish state. While some Zionist leaders proclaimed a state based on absolute equality of all citizens, the movement was also characterized by expansionist ideologies, which contributed to the displacement of the Arab population and the establishment of a Jewish state.
How did the historical context of Zionism influence the outcome of 1948?
-Zionism, with its aim of establishing a Jewish state, was a significant factor in the events of 1948. The movement's goals and actions, including land purchases and the resistance to Arab attacks, contributed to the eventual establishment of Israel and the displacement of Palestinians.
What is the significance of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?
-The 1948 Arab-Israeli War is significant as it marked the first major conflict between Arab states and the newly established State of Israel. The war and its aftermath, including the creation of a large Palestinian refugee problem, laid the groundwork for ongoing tensions and conflicts in the region.
Outlines
π The 1948 Events: Nakba and the Establishment of Israel
This paragraph discusses the significance of the year 1948 from different perspectives. For Israelis, it marks the establishment of the State of Israel, while for Palestinians, it represents the Nakba, or catastrophe, signifying the displacement of approximately 700,000 Palestinians due to the war. The speaker highlights the importance of understanding the events leading up to 1948 and their implications on current situations. The narrative then shifts to post-World War I, where the British, unwilling to handle the Palestine question, handed it over to the United Nations. The UN's challenge was to address the irreconcilable differences between two national communities in Palestine, leading to the recommendation of two states. The paragraph emphasizes the need for full equality of all citizens in both proposed states, regardless of demographic majorities, raising questions about the true meaning of a 'Jewish State' and an 'Arab State'.
π UN Partition and Soviet Perspective on Jewish State
The paragraph delves into the historical context of the United Nations' partition plan for Palestine and the diverse viewpoints during the UN General Assembly proceedings. It mentions the Soviet foreign minister's, Gromo, acknowledgment of the Jewish people's exceptional suffering and the UN's inability to ignore their plight. Gromo's speech is highlighted, emphasizing the Soviet Union's support for a single state solutionεεδΈ but acceptance of a two-state solution if Jewish and Arab populations could not peacefully coexist. The paragraph also critiques the Zionist ideology as inherently expansionist, leading to the inevitable transfer or expulsion of the Arab population, which was a key factor in the establishment of a Jewish state.
π€ΌββοΈ Arab Rejection and Israeli Response to the 1948 Partition
This section focuses on the Arab rejection of the 1948 partition resolution and the subsequent Israeli response. It explains that while the Zionist movement found a pretext to expel the indigenous population and expand borders during the first Arab-Israeli War, the Arab states and Palestinians rejected the principle of partition outright. The discussion includes the Peel Commission's earlier recommendation for two states and the eventual Arab states' invasion of the newly declared state of Israel, which ultimately led to the failure of the partition resolution as neither side adhered to its terms. The speaker concludes by acknowledging the complex realities that led to the establishment of Israel and the displacement of Palestinians.
ποΈ Zionism, Transfer, and the Historical Significance of 1948
The paragraph examines the historical significance of 1948, focusing on Zionism's objectives and the concept of transfer. It references the head of the World Zionist Organization's statement about making Palestine as Jewish as other nation-states are to their respective majorities. The speaker disputes the idea that the 1947 partition resolution could be accepted today, given the demographic and political realities of the time. The discussion includes the inevitability of the Nakba as a product of the partition, the destruction of Palestinian society, and the prevention of Palestinian return, which the speaker equates to ethnic cleansing. The paragraph also touches on the collusion between Zionist leadership and Jordanian leadership to prevent an independent Arab state in Palestine.
π Selective Historiography and the Narrative of 1948
This paragraph critiques the tendency to selectively interpret history, particularly when discussing the events of 1948. The speaker points out that often, the narrative begins with the catastrophe of 1948 and assigns blame solely to the Israeli state, ignoring the complex historical context. It is emphasized that the civil war starting in 1947, largely due to Arab rejection of the partition plan, and the purchases of land by Jewish organizations are often overlooked. The paragraph argues against the notion that Zionism inherently led to population transfer or expulsion, highlighting the political, social, and military realities on the ground that influenced the events. The speaker asserts that the Arabs' refusal to negotiate and their use of war as a tool contributed to theηΉε€ͺδΊΊ gaining land and the eventual establishment of the State of Israel.
Mindmap
Keywords
π‘Establishment of Israel
π‘War of Independence
π‘Nakba
π‘Partition of Palestine
π‘Demographic Majority
π‘Equality of Citizens
π‘Zionism
π‘Population Transfer
π‘Arab Rejectionism
π‘Palestinian State
π‘Ethnic Cleansing
Highlights
1948 marks the establishment of the State of Israel and the Nakba, or catastrophe, for Palestinians, involving the displacement of approximately 700,000 Palestinians.
The United Nations General Assembly's partition plan faced irreconcilable differences between two national communities in Palestine, leading to the recommendation of two states.
The UN Special Committee on Palestine recommended two states, with a minority position by Iran, India, and Yugoslavia supporting one state but acknowledging the potential for two states.
The concept of a 'Jewish State' and an 'Arab State' was unclear, except that the Jewish state would be demographically Jewish and the Arab state demographically Arab.
Both the Arab State and the Jewish State were required to guarantee full equality of all citizens regarding political, civil, and religious matters.
The partition resolution was seen as the correct decision, as the Arab and Jewish communities could not have lived together at that point.
The Soviet foreign minister, Gromo, emphasized the exceptional sorrow and suffering of the Jewish people during the war, influencing the UN's decision.
Zionist ideology was inherently expansionist, leading to the inevitable displacement of the Arab population for the establishment of a Jewish state.
The Arab side rejected the partition resolution outright, leading to a war against the Jewish community in Palestine.
The 1948 war was two-staged, with the first stage being the civil war between the Arab community in Palestine and the Jews, and the second stage being the invasion by the Arab states.
The Nakba, or the Palestinian refugee problem, was a consequence of the 1948 war.
The Jewish community prepared to establish a state, fought for it, and established it, while the Palestinian Arabs did not attempt to create a state before 1948.
The Zionist objective was to make Palestine as Jewish as other nation-states are homogeneous, emphasizing political, demographic, and territorial supremacy.
The partition resolution inverted the relationship between the two communities in Palestine, leading to the Arab states and Palestinian leadership's resistance.
The UN partition resolution would not likely pass today's UN General Assembly due to the significant changes in its composition and the realities on the ground in Palestine.
The Zionist leadership and the Hashemite leadership of Jordan colluded to prevent the establishment of an independent Arab state in Palestine.
The refusal of the Arabs to negotiate and their use of war as a tool led to the Jews acquiring land through military means.
Transcripts
first question is about
1948 for Israelis 1948 is the
establishment of the state of Israel and
the war of independence for Palestinians
1948 is the nakba which means
catastrophe or the displacement of
700,000 Palestinians from their homes as
a consequence of the war what to you is
important to understand about the events
of 1948 and the period around there
4749 that helps us understand what's
going on today and uh maybe helps us
understand the roots of all this that
started even before
1948 I was hoping that Norm can speak
first and Benny then way and then
Norm after World War
I the
British decided that they didn't want to
deal with the Palestine question anymore
and the ball was thrown into the court
of the United
Nations
now as I read the record the UN was not
attempting to arbitrate or adjudicate
Rights and
Wrongs it was confronting a very
practical
problem there were two national
communities in
Palestine and there were irreconcilable
differences on fundamental questions
most importantly looking at the historic
record on the question of
immigration and associate with the
question of immigration the question of
land the UN special committee on
Palestine which came into being before
the UN 181 partition
resolution the UN special committee it
recommended two states in
Palestine there was a minority position
represented by uh Iran India
Yugoslavia they supported one
state but uh they
believed that if forced to the two
communities would figure out some sort
of Modis sendi and live
together United Nations General
Assembly supported partition between
what it called a Jewish State and an
Arab
State now in my reading of the record
they understand there's new scholarship
on the subject which I've not read but
so far as I've read the record there's
no Clarity on what the United
Nations General Assembly meant by a
Jewish State and an Arab State except
for the fact that the Jewish state would
be demogra graphically the majority
would be Jewish and the Arab state
demographically would be
Arab the unscop the UN special committee
on Palestine it was very clear and it
was re reiterated many
times that in recommending two
states each state the Arab State and the
Jewish state would have to guarantee
full equality of all citizens with
regard to political civil and religious
matters now that does raise the question
if there is absolute full equality of
all citizens both in the Jewish State
and the Arab state with regard to
political rights civil rights and
religious rights apart from the
demographic
majority it's very unclear what it meant
to call a state Jewish or call a state
Arab in my view the partition
resolution was the correct
decision I do not believe that the Arab
and Jewish communities could at that
point be made to live together I
disagree with the minority position of
indiaan Iran and
Yugoslavia and that not being a
practical option two states was the only
other
option in this regard I would want to
pay tribute to what was probably the
most moving speech at the UN General
Assembly
proceedings by the Soviet foreign
minister
gromo I was very tempted to quote it at
length but I
recognized that would
be uh taking too much
time uh so I asked a young friend Jamie
Stern Winer to edit it and just get the
essence of what foreign minister gromo
had to
say during the last war gromo said the
Jewish people
underwent exceptional sorrow and
suffering without any
exaggeration this sorrow and suffering
are
Indescribable hundreds of thousands of
Jews are wandering about in various
countries of Europe in search of means
of existence and in search of
shelter the United Nations cannot and
must not regard this situation ation
with
indifference past
experience particularly during the
second world war shows that no Western
European state was able to provide
adequate assistance for the Jewish
people in defending its rights and its
very existence from the violence of the
Hitler ites and their
allies this is an unpleasant
fact but
unfortunately like all other facts it
must be
admitted gromo went on to say in
principle he supports one state or the
Soviet Union supports one state but he
said if relations between the Jewish and
Arab populations of
Palestine proved to be so bad that would
be impossible to reconcile them and to
ensure the peaceful coexistence of the
Arabs and the Jews the Soviet Union
would
support two
states I
personally am not
convinced that the two states would have
been unsustainable in the long
term if and this is a big if the Zionist
movement had been faithful to the
position that proclaimed during the
unscop public
hearings at the time benorian
testified quote I want to express what
we mean by a Jewish
State we mean by a Jewish State simply a
state where the majority of the people
are
Jews not a state where a Jew has in any
way any privilege more than anyone
else a Jewish State means a state based
on absolute equality of all her citizens
and on
Democracy alas this was not to
be as Professor Maris has
written quote Zionist ideology and
practice
were
necessarily and
elementally
expansionist and then he wrote in
another
book
transfer the euphemism for
exposion transfer was
inevitable and inbuilt into
Zionism because it sought to transform a
land which was Arab into a Jewish state
and a Jewish State could not have Arisen
without a major displacement of Arab
population and because this aim
automatically produced resistance among
the
Arabs which in turn persuade the yes's
leaders the yeshu being the Jewish
Community the yes's leaders that a
hostile Arab majority or large minority
could not remain in place if a Jewish
state was to arise or safely
endure or as Professor Mars
retrospectively Put it
quote a removing of a
population was
needed without a population
exposion a Jewish state would not have
been
established
unquote the Arab side rejected outright
the partition resolution I won't play
games with that I know a lot of people
try to prove it's not true it clearly in
my view is true the Arab side rejected
out write the partition
resolution while Israeli
leaders acting under
compulsions
inevitable and
inbuilt into to
Zionism found the pretext in the course
of the first Arab Israeli War to expel
the indigenous
population and expand its
borders I therefore
conclude that neither side was committed
to the letter of the partition
resolution and both sides aborted it
thank you Norm nor asked that we make a
lengthy statement in the beginning uh
Benny I hope it's okay to call Everybody
by their first name in the name of
camaraderie Norm has quoted several
things you said uh perhaps you can
comment broadly on the question of 1948
and maybe respond to the things that
Norm said yeah unop the United Nations
special committee on Palestine um
recommended partition the majority of
unop recommended partition which was
accepted by the UN General Assembly in
November
1947
looking back to the peel Commission in
1937 10 years earlier a British
commission had looked at the problem of
Palestine the two Waring National groups
who refus to live together if you like
or um um consolidate a a unitary state
state between them um and Peele said
there should be two states that's the
principle The Country Must Be
partitioned into two states this would
give a modum of Justice to both sides if
if not all their demands of course um
and the United Nations followed suit the
United Nations unop and then the UN
General Assembly representing the will
of the International Community um said
two states is the just solution in this
complex situation the problem was that
immediately with the passage of the
resolution the Arabs the Arab states and
the Arabs of palestin said no as Norman
Franklin said they said no they rejected
the partition idea the principle of
partition not just the idea of what
percentage which side should get but the
principle of partition they said no to
the Jews should not have any part of
Palestine for their Sovereign territory
maybe Jews could live as a minority in
Palestine that also was problematic in
the eyes of the the Palestinian Arab
leadership husseini had said only Jews
who were there before 1917 could
actually get citizenship and continue to
live there but the Arabs rejected par
and the Arabs of Palestine launched in
very disorganized fashion war against
the resolution against the
implementation of the resolution against
the Jewish community in Palestine um and
this was their defeat in that civil war
between the two communities while the
British were withdrawing from Palestine
um um led to the Arab Invasion the The
Invasion by the Arab states in May
1948 of of the country again basically
with the idea of eradicating or
preventing the emergence of a Jewish
state in line with the United Nations um
decision and the will of the
International
Community Norman said that the Zionist
Enterprise and he quoted me meant from
the beginning um to transfer or expel
the Arabs of Palestine or some of the
Arabs of Palestine um and I think he's
sort of um quoting out of context the
context in which the statements were
made that that the
the Jewish State could only emerge um if
there was a transfer of Arab population
was preceded in the way I wrote it and
the way it actually happened by Arab
resistance and hostilities towards the
Jewish Community had the Arabs accepted
partition there would have been a large
Arab minority in the Jewish state which
emerged in 48 47 and in fact Jewish um
economists and state Builders took into
account that there would be a large Arab
min minority and its needs would be
cared for ETC um but this was not to be
because the Arabs attacked and had they
not attacked um perhaps a a Jewish state
with a large Arab minority could have
emerged but this didn't happen they went
to war the Jews resisted and in the
course of that war and Arab populations
were driven out some were expelled some
left because Arab leaders advised them
to leave or ordered them to leave and at
end of the war Israel said they can't
return because they just tried to
destroy the Jewish State um and and
that's the basic a reality of what
happened in 48 the Jews created a state
the Palestinian Arabs never bothered to
even try to create a state a before 48
and in the course of the 1948 war and
for that reason they have no state to
this day the Jews do have a state
because they prepared to establish a
state fought for it and um established
it um a hopefully lastingly when you
said hostility in case people are not
familiar there was a full-on war where
Arab States
invaded and Israel won that war let me
just add to clarify the war had two
parts to it the first part was the Arab
community in Palestine its militia men
attacked the Jews um a from November
1947 in other words from the day after
the UN partition resolution it was
passed Arab gunmen were busy shooting up
Jews and that snowballed into a
fullscale civil war between the two
communities in Palestine in May 1948 a
second stage began in the war in which
the Arab States invaded the new state
attacked the new state um and and they
too were defeated and thus the state of
Israel emerged in the course of this
two-stage War a a vast Palestinian
refugee problem
um um occurred and so after that the
transfer the expulsion the the thing
that people call the
nakba uh happened um we could you speak
to 1948 and the historical significance
of it sure um there's there's a lot to
unpack here I'll try to limit myself to
just a few points regarding Zionism and
transfer I think Heim whitesman uh the
head of the world Zionist organization
had it exactly right when he said that
the objective of Zionism is to make
Palestine as Jewish as England is
English or France is
French um in other words um as as Norman
explained um a Jewish
State requires
Jewish political demographic and and
territorial Supremacy without those
three elements um the state would be
Jewish in name only and I think what
distinguishes Zionism is its
insistence Supremacy and
exclusivity that would be my first point
second point is um I think what the
Soviet foreign minister at the time
Andre gomo said is exactly right with
one
reservation um um gromo was describing a
European savagery Unleashed against
Europe's Jews at the time you know it
wasn't Palestinians or Arabs uh the
Savages and The Barbarians were European
to the
core um it had nothing to do with
developments in
Palestine um uh or the Middle
East secondly at the time that groma was
speaking um those Jewish uh survivors of
the Holocaust and and others who were in
need of Safe Haven were still
overwhelmingly on the European continent
and not on Palestine not in Palestine
and I think
um given um the scale of the savagery I
don't think that any one state or
country um should have borne the
responsibility uh for addressing this
crisis I think it should have been an
international uh
responsibility um Soviet Union could
have contributed Germany certainly could
and should have uh contributed um the
United Kingdom and the United States uh
which slammed their doors shut to um uh
the persecuted Jews of Europe as the
Nazis were rising to power they
certainly should have uh played a role
but instead what passed for the
International Community at the time
decided to partition Palestine and here
I think we need to um uh judge the
partition resolution against the
realities that obtained at the
time um two 2third of the population of
Palestine was
Arab uh the yeshu the Jewish community
in Palestine constituted about onethird
of the total population and controlled
even less of um of of the land uh within
Palestine as as a preeminent Palestinian
historian uh W Al khi has pointed out
the partition resolution in giving
roughly
55% of Palestine to the Jewish
Community um and I think 41
42% uh to the Arab Community to the
Palestinians did not preserve the
position of each Community or even um uh
favor one community at the expense of
the others rather it thoroughly inverted
and
revolutionized uh the relationship uh
between between the two communities and
as many have written the neba was the
inevitable consequence of partition
given the nature of Zionism um given the
territorial
disposition given the weakness of the
Palestinian Community whose leadership
had been largely de decimated during a
major Revolt at the end of the
1930s um given that the Arab states uh
were still very much under French and
British
influence um uh the neba was um
inevitable the inevitable product of the
um partition uh resolution and and one
last point also about um the un's
partition resolution is yes um formally
that is what the International Community
decided in on the 29th of November
1947 it's not a resolution that could
ever have gotten through the UN General
Assembly today for a very simple reason
it was a very different General Assembly
most African most Asian States um were
not yet
independent um were the resolution to be
placed before the inter ational
Community today and I find it telling
that um uh the minority opinion was led
by India Iran and Yugoslavia I think
they would have represented the clear um
uh majority so
partition given what we know about
Zionism given that it was entirely
predictable what would happen given um
uh the realities on the ground in
Palestine um was deeply unjust and the
idea that either the Palestinians or the
Arab states could have accepted um such
a resolution is is I think um uh an
illusion that was in 1947 we saw what
happened in 48 and 49 Palestinian
Society was essentially um uh destroyed
over 80% I believe of Palestinians
resident in the territory that became
the state of Israel were either expelled
or fled uh and ultimately were
ethnically cleansed because ethnic
cleansing consists of two components
it's not just forcing people into Refuge
or expelling them it's just as
importantly preventing their return and
here and and and beny Morris has written
I think an article about ysep vites and
the transfer committees um there was a
very detailed initiative to prevent
their return and it consisted of raising
hundreds of Palestinian villages to the
G
which was systematically implemented and
so on and so Palestinians became a
stateless people now um what is the most
important reason that no Arab state was
established um in Palestine well since
the
1930s um the Zionist
leadership and um the hasite um uh
leadership of uh Jordan as has been uh
thoroughly researched and written about
by the Israeli British historian a islim
essentially
colluded um to prevent the establishment
of an independent Arab State um in
Palestine uh in the late
1940s um there's there's much more here
but I think um those those are the key
points I I would make about uh
1948 we may talk about Zionism Britain
un assemblies and all all the things you
mentioned there's a lot to dig into so
again if you can keep it to just one
statement moving forward after Sten if
you want to go a little longer uh also
we should acknowledge the fact that the
speaking speeds of of people here are
different Stephen speaks about 10 times
faster uh than me uh Stephen do you want
to comment on 1948 yeah I think it's
interesting where people choose to start
the history um I noticed a lot of people
like to start at either 47 or 48 because
it's the first time where they can
clearly point to a catastrophe that
occurs on the Arab side that they want
to ascribe 100% of the blame to the
newly emergent Israeli state to uh but I
feel like when you have this type of
reading of History it feels like the
goal is to moralize everything first and
then to pick and choose facts that kind
of support the statements of your
initial moral statement afterwards um
whenever people are talking about 48 or
the establishment of the Arab State uh I
never hear about uh the fact that a
Civil War started in 47 uh that was
largely instigated because of the Arab
rejection ISM of the 47 partition plan
uh I never hear about the fact that the
majority of the land that was acquired
happened by purchases from Jewish
organizations of uh Palestinian Arabs of
the Ottoman Empire before the mandatory
period in 1920 even started um funnily
enough King Abdullah of Jordan uh was
quoted as saying the Arabs are as
prodical in selling their land as they
are in Weeping about it uh I never hear
about the multiple times that Arabs
rejected partition uh rejected living
with Jews um rejected any sort of state
that would have even uh had any sort of
Jewish exclusivity it's funny because it
was brought up before that the partition
plan was unfair and that's why the Arabs
rejected it as though they rejected it
because it was unfair because of the
amount of land that Jews were given and
not just due to the fact that Jews were
given land at all as though a 30%
partition or a 25% partition would have
been accepted when I don't think that
was the reality of the circumstances I
feel like most of the other stuff has
been said but I I I noticed that um
whenever people talk about 48 or the
years preceding 48 um I think the worst
thing that happens is there's a there's
a cherry picking of the facts where
basically all of the blame is ascribed
to this uh this built-in idea of Zionism
that because of a handful of quotes or
because of an ideology we can say that
transfer or population expulsion or the
the basically the Mandate of all of
these Arabs being kicked off the land
was always going to happen when I think
there's a refusal sometimes as well to
acknowledge that regardless of the ideas
of some of the Zionist leaders there is
a political social and Military reality
on the ground that that they're forced
to contend with and unfortunately the
Arabs because of their inability to
engage in diplomacy and only to use
tools of War to try to negotiate
everything going on in mandatory
Palestine basically always gave the Jews
a reason or an excuse to fight and
acquire land through that way uh because
of their refusal to negotiate on
anything else whether it was the
partition plan in 47 whether it was the
uh the Lucan peace conference afterwards
where Israel even offered to Annex Gaza
in 51 where they offered to take in
100,000 refugees every single deal is
just rejected out of hand because the
Arabs don't want a Jewish State anywhere
in this region of the
world
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