Travel Website For Dogs? | Dragons' Den

Dragons' Den
2 Oct 202315:50

Summary

TLDRNadia Legwell, a former Open Table sales director, pitches Wag It, the UK's first dog-friendly online booking platform, on a business show. Seeking Β£50,000 for 5.5% equity, she aims to solve the problem of limited options for dog owners to dine out with their pets. Despite her impressive background and market need, the dragons express concerns about the business model, technical expertise within the team, and the competitive landscape, ultimately deciding not to invest.

Takeaways

  • 🐾 Nadia Legwell, the entrepreneur, seeks Β£50,000 for her business Wag It in exchange for 5.5% equity.
  • πŸ” Wag It is designed as the first dog-friendly online booking platform in the UK, aiming to simplify finding pet-friendly establishments.
  • πŸ“ˆ Nadia's background includes significant experience in online reservations, with prior roles at Open Table and TripAdvisor.
  • 🏠 The platform addresses a gap in the market, as Nadia found it difficult to find suitable places to take her dog, Lola, and groomers with online booking options.
  • πŸ“Š Over 12 million dog owners in the UK and 98% of dog-friendly pub owners believe that customers with dogs improve business.
  • πŸ“± The Wag It website allows users to search for groomers, pubs, bars, restaurants, or taxis that are dog-friendly and make bookings.
  • πŸ’Ό The business model involves charging a monthly subscription fee to operators, with tiers based on marketing needs.
  • πŸ“ˆ Nadia has already secured 39 restaurants, but the Dragons express concern about the slow pace of scaling.
  • 🚫 The Dragons are skeptical about the subscription model, suggesting a freemium model would be more effective for rapid growth.
  • πŸ’‘ The lack of technical expertise within the team is highlighted as a potential risk for the business's future success.
  • ❌ Despite the unique concept and market demand, Nadia leaves without a deal due to concerns over scalability and the team's expertise.

Q & A

  • What is the name of Nadia's startup company?

    -Nadia's startup company is called Wag It.

  • What is the primary function of Wag It?

    -Wag It is an online booking platform that helps dog owners discover, find, and book dog-friendly places such as groomers, pubs, bars, restaurants, and taxis.

  • How much investment is Nadia seeking from the dragons?

    -Nadia is seeking an investment of fifty thousand pounds for five and a half percent of her business.

  • What was Nadia's background before starting Wag It?

    -Nadia's background is in online reservations; she was the first salesperson in Europe for Open Table and later became the director of sales at Booker Table, which is now TripAdvisor Business.

  • What is the business model of Wag It?

    -The business model of Wag It involves charging operators, such as restaurants, groomers, and other businesses, a monthly subscription fee. The fee is tiered based on how much they want to market with Wag It.

  • How many dog-friendly businesses are currently signed up with Wag It?

    -At the time of the pitch, 39 dog-friendly businesses were signed up with Wag It.

  • What is the concern raised by the dragons about Wag It's business model?

    -The dragons expressed concern about the business model because it charges every restaurant to list on the platform, which they believe creates resistance and slows down the scaling process.

  • Why did some dragons decide not to invest in Wag It?

    -Some dragons decided not to invest due to concerns about the business model, the lack of technical expertise within the team, and the belief that the idea might be too easily replicated by larger companies, leading to competition that Wag It might not be able to handle.

  • What is the main challenge identified by the dragons for Wag It's success?

    -The main challenges identified by the dragons for Wag It's success include getting the technology right, attracting enough dog owners to use the platform, signing up enough dog-friendly businesses, and effectively marketing the platform.

  • What is the potential issue with Wag It's current approach according to the dragons?

    -The potential issue with Wag It's current approach is that by charging businesses to list, it may limit the platform's growth and make it easier for larger, more established companies to enter the market and overshadow Wag It.

  • What is the Kennel Club's statistic regarding dog-friendly businesses and their customers?

    -According to the Kennel Club, 98% of dog-friendly publicans say that customers with dogs bring them better business.

Outlines

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🐾 Wag It: A Dog-Friendly Online Booking Platform

Nadia Legwell introduces Wag It, the first dog-friendly online booking platform in the UK, aimed at making it easier for dog owners to find and book places to take their dogs. She seeks an investment of Β£50,000 for 5.5% of her business. Nadia's background in online reservations and her experience with Open Table and TripAdvisor Business are highlighted. Wag It addresses the difficulty dog owners face in finding and booking dog-friendly places, such as pubs, restaurants, groomers, and taxis. The platform allows users to search and book based on location, time, and preferences, with features like doggy menus. The business model involves charging operators a monthly subscription fee tiered according to their marketing needs. At the time of the pitch, 39 restaurants are signed up, and there's a focus on promoting the service through word-of-mouth and the appeal of dog-friendly establishments.

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πŸ“ˆ Scaling Challenges and Monetization Strategies

The dragons question Nadia on her strategy for scaling Wag It and how she plans to monetize the platform. Nadia explains that the business model includes a loyalty scheme to encourage user registration and that the platform can be used as a search engine without registration. She discusses the tiered subscription model for operators and the current count of signed-up restaurants. The dragons express concerns about the barriers to scale due to the subscription fee requirement for listings, which contrasts with other platforms that offer free listings to grow their network quickly. Nadia defends her model by mentioning the promotional value for restaurants and the potential for community building among dog owners. The conversation also touches on the need for technical expertise within the team to support the platform's growth and development.

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πŸš€ Addressing Competition and Investor Concerns

As the dragons continue their interrogation, they express concerns about the lack of technical expertise within Nadia's team and the potential for larger platforms to easily incorporate dog-friendly features, overshadowing Wag It's unique selling point. Nadia acknowledges these concerns but remains confident in her ability to grow the business. The dragons also discuss the potential market size and the number of restaurants needed to make Wag It a credible proposition. Nadia shares her current growth rate and the steps she plans to take to accelerate the business, including marketing and technical improvements. However, the dragons remain skeptical about the business's scalability and the team's ability to compete effectively in the market without significant investment and technical expertise.

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πŸ† Departure Without a Deal

Despite Nadia's best efforts to convince the dragons of Wag It's potential, they ultimately decide not to invest. The dragons cite concerns about the need for substantial resources, technical expertise, and the competitive landscape as reasons for their decision. Nadia leaves the den without a deal but remains optimistic about the future of Wag It. She expresses her intention to continue adding businesses to the platform and improving it, with the hope of revisiting the dragons in the future when the business is in a stronger position.

Mindmap

Keywords

πŸ’‘Dog friendly

The term 'dog friendly' refers to establishments or services that are welcoming and accommodating to dogs. In the context of the video, it is central to the business model of Wag It, a platform that aims to connect dog owners with venues that allow pets. The script mentions that the founder, Nadia, realized the difficulty in finding dog-friendly places and decided to create a solution, highlighting the growing demand for such services.

πŸ’‘Online booking platform

An 'online booking platform' is a digital service that allows users to make reservations for various services or venues through the internet. In the video, Wag It is described as the first dog-friendly online booking platform in the UK, which enables users to discover, find, and book places to take their dogs, such as pubs, restaurants, and grooming services.

πŸ’‘Investment pitch

An 'investment pitch' is a presentation made by an entrepreneur to potential investors, aiming to secure funding for their business. In the script, Nadia presents Wag It to the dragons (investors), seeking Β£50,000 for 5.5% of her business, explaining the problem she's addressing and how her platform offers a solution.

πŸ’‘Market demand

Market demand refers to the quantity of a product or service that consumers are willing and able to purchase. The video script mentions the market demand for dog-friendly services, with over 12 million dog owners in the UK and 98% of dog-friendly pub earners saying that customers with dogs bring better business.

πŸ’‘Business model

A 'business model' outlines how a company creates, delivers, and captures value. In the video, Wag It's business model involves charging a monthly subscription fee to operators like restaurants and groomers, with different tiers based on the extent of their marketing with the platform.

πŸ’‘Loyalty scheme

A 'loyalty scheme' is a marketing strategy where customers earn rewards for continued patronage. Nadia mentions a loyalty scheme in the script as a way to encourage users to register on Wag It, suggesting that users can earn points for actions like booking a groomer or visiting a restaurant.

πŸ’‘Monetization

Monetization is the process of turning a product or service into income. In the context of the video, Wag It plans to monetize by charging a subscription fee to businesses that want to be listed on the platform, with the potential for additional revenue through advertising and promotions.

πŸ’‘Scale

In business, 'scale' refers to the ability to grow and expand operations. The dragons in the video discuss the importance of scaling the business, with concerns raised about the current model's resistance to rapid growth due to the subscription fee barrier for restaurants.

πŸ’‘Technical expertise

Technical expertise refers to the specialized knowledge and skills in a technical field, often necessary for developing and maintaining a tech-based business. The dragons express concern about the lack of technical expertise within Wag It's team, which could impact the platform's ability to adapt and innovate.

πŸ’‘Market competition

Market competition refers to the rivalry among similar businesses for market share. The dragons in the video script express concerns about the potential for other, larger platforms to easily add dog-friendly features, outcompeting Wag It by leveraging their existing scale and resources.

Highlights

Taking pets into the den is a risky business, as they can be unpredictable.

Nadia's dog Lola has transferred her affections, showing dogs can be fickle.

Pets can sometimes be too vocal, disrupting the business environment.

Some pets are very calm, even in stressful situations.

Pets can steal the show, overshadowing their owners.

Nadia hopes for her dog Lola to behave well during the pitch.

Nadia's startup aims to connect dog owners with dog-friendly services.

Wag It is the first dog-friendly online booking platform in the UK.

Nadia seeks Β£50,000 for 5.5% of her business.

Nadia's background in online reservations gives her an edge.

Wag It addresses the difficulty of finding dog-friendly places to go.

The platform allows users to book dog-friendly groomers, pubs, bars, and restaurants.

Nadia's business model includes a tiered subscription fee for service providers.

Currently, 39 restaurants are signed up on Wag It.

Nadia's lack of technical expertise is a concern for the investors.

The potential for other platforms to add dog-friendly filters is seen as a risk.

Nadia's team lacks technical co-founders, which is a red flag for investors.

Investors are concerned about the scalability of Wag It's business model.

Nadia leaves the den without securing an investment deal.

Transcripts

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taking something with fur or even

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feathers in one case

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into the den can be a risky business

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sometimes they can just get a bit too

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friendly with the dragons bye-bye she's

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not the most loyal dog is she she's

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completely transferred her affections

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occasionally they can get a bit too

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vocal oh he's giving me the financials

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and sometimes they can be just a tad too

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chilled I wish I was as calm she was I

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can tell you

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and then there are the times when they

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completely steal the show

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okay do you just want my money yes

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please

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hoping her King Charles Spaniel Lola

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will be on doggy best behavior tonight

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is Italian Nadia legwell I adore dogs

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and I think they're the best companion

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any person can have we'll get you loads

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of treats off but

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growing up in Italy we always had dogs

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in our family when I moved to UK I had

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the first opportunity I got Lola

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Nadia startup aims to Wed going walkies

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with the web

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as a dog owner I definitely noticed

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there was something missing on the

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market so I decided to build a service

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that all dog parents could use

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the pooch friendly proposition has

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already sparked speculation in the den

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run a dog to have dinner with you

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dinnerdogs.com we could call it doggy

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date

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50 50.

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I mean

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the dragons appear to be in a playful

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mood so can Nadia bring them to heal

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come on Lola before parting them from

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their cash

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hello dragons this is Lola and I'm Nadia

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and we're the co-founders of Wag It

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waget is the first dog friendly online

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booking platform in the UK we're here to

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seek fifty thousand pounds for five and

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a half percent of our business

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my background is in online reservations

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I was the first salesperson in Europe

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for open table and then I was director

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of sales at Booker table which is now

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TripAdvisor business

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when Lola came into my life I realized

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how difficult it was to book places to

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go with your dog when you looked online

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the options were limited and even when

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you found somewhere dog friendly you

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turn up and you'd be sat at the back

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next to the bins or ask to sit outside

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even if it was raining

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and when it came to groomers there was

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actually no way to book online you'd

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have to call and they never answered

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because they were grooming

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so I thought there has to be a better

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way

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there are now over 12 million uh dog

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owners in the UK and according to the

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Kennel Club 98 of dog friendly Pub

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earners say that customers with dogs

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bring them better business that's where

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wag it comes in

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our website enables people to discover

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find and book places to take their dog

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so let me show you how it works

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you can select groomers pubs and bars

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restaurants or taxis

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you then put the time and area

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and then you click submit

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after that you get a selection of what's

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available your preferences you can

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select one and look at the description

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if they have a doggy menu for example

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and all that information you select the

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time and then you put in your details if

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they're not already in there

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that's how simple it is

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looking for a dog friendly dragon and we

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know you all are

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to join the waged pack

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a canine compatible online platform for

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restaurant booking is the offering from

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Nadia legwell

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who's seeking a 50 000 pound investment

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in return for a five and a half percent

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share in her business

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I don't think she wants to take any

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questions I think we should let Lola go

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if she doesn't want to be in the desk

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okay

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Lola's work may be done but Nadia's has

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only just begun

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Pizza Jones is first with the questions

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and he's clearly intrigued by this

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entrepreneur CV

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Nadia yes your experience in the past

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it's really interesting congratulations

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thank you what do you believe in terms

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of scale with your experience how are

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you going to achieve

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sort of growth for the business the

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business model is interesting because

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having come from Open Table the

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for reservation

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like that is transactional so they

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charge for a cover but with us it's more

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a benefit it's a marketing channel for

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the restaurants to Market to dog owners

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so it will be promotions and so on and

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there's so much we can do to a business

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you know offering offering them more um

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opportunity to to Market to dogs there's

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I mean there's so many events

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restaurants can fill the quieter times

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at lunchtime with dog owners and then

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the other side to monetize is once

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everyone falls in love and looks through

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Agate the community side of it so the

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consumers yeah I get the advertising

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piece on there as you grow but so how

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many people do you have to register on

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this site or can I just use this as a

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search engine you can just use it as

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surge engine how does that help you grab

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a subscriber or build your data

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how do you do that you mean if you don't

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register yeah if I can go on there and

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use similar to a Google search the idea

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is the Loyalty scheme will encourage

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people to register what I'd like to do

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with wag it is you can get points if you

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go near a restaurant if you book your

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groomer okay so you haven't got any

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registered users at the moment no I have

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you have about 400

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Nadia's website is already gaining

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traction

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but the Den's newest pet owner wants to

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discover exactly how she intends to

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convert dog friendly days out into

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Financial clout

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puppies

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I I've just got one I know exactly where

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you're coming from okay so the business

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model you've now told us that how will

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you make an income out of it

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we will charge operators so restaurants

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groomers and so on a monthly

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subscription fee it will be tiered so

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tier one two two three depending on how

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much they want to Market with us I'm a

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restaurant sir so what will I have to

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pay on your subscription to enroll so 10

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pounds is the tier one subscription 10

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pounds a month yeah

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how many restaurants have you got signed

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up at the moment

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39 and the only way a restaurant can

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sign up is if they pay yes so if I'm a

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visitor and I want to go for a

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restaurant there's only 39 options I

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have in the United Kingdom at the moment

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at the moment yes that's because you've

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put this huge barrier in the way of you

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achieving scale which is you're charging

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every single restaurant to list

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the reason why Open Table Yelp and all

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these other websites have huge scale

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from day one is there's no resistance

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for a restaurant to join

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you've created resistance which means

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you have to now go around and knock on

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every restaurant's door to sign them up

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one by one but I offered anyone who

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would joined three month free you must

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be the only person in the industry

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that's charging people to list Beyond 90

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days there are a couple of other scale

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and also Open Table

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um was charged a monthly fee as well

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that's an add-on they have a freemium

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model with the the premium upside if you

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want it as a restaurant which lists you

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higher you get featured etc etc yeah

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right if you want to get Scaled quickly

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have a freemium model where every dog

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friendly restaurant in the land can sign

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up and then charge them for better

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placement

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or else you're gonna have to knock on

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every restaurant's door so I think

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that's an existential risk to your model

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it fears that

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long tree with current business model

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so will Sarah Davies see greater

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potential in her plans to harness the

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pooch owning pound

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honestly I think you've done a brilliant

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job getting to this point there's

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clearly demand in the market I think

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you've you've come into the market at

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the exact right time when you've got all

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of these dog owners now flooding into

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the market and things are opening up

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people are desperate to get out there

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and obviously you've got the The Proven

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track record you've made this work for a

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couple of huge companies so you know all

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of that together suggests it could be a

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recipe for success thank you how big

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does this have to be for this to become

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a credible proposition

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600 700 restaurants

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how many a day are you signing up at the

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moment so we get about five or six a day

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a week sorry five or six a week yeah but

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what we want to do is really accelerate

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the business now and we need marketing

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to push a bit more and we need the

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developers to improve a few things I

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build the website really quickly and to

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get it up and and see how much interest

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it would get you built it well I had it

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built unfortunately I don't know how to

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do coding and you don't think you can

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get from the place you're at at the

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moment to that six seven hundred without

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having investment to improve the tech

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platform

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I can get there but it'll take me a lot

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longer

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you're building a tech company here you

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said that there's no one in your team

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that has built a tech company before

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well I I my business partner and one of

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the investors is a friend of mine and

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he's a product manager and helped build

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Tech business and then exited so he's

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the one who's helping me build the

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product

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I would feel from my experience building

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tech companies that you'd need someone

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in-house to have technical expertise and

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if you're if you are going to go out to

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Market and get investors the first thing

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they're going to want to know is where's

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your technical co-founder who's the CTO

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yes and that's what I want

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with a background in Hospitality this

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entrepreneur knows her Gourmet Bites but

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when it comes to megabytes her lack of

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expertise is giving cause for concern

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now the Den's most Ardent dog lover with

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four canine companions of her own wants

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to discover more about the businesses

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competition

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Nadia what was your actual role at Open

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Table oh it's sales

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so what does that website do to tell

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consumers about dogs Open Table Open

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Table Open Table doesn't even have a

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tick box at the moment for for dog

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friendly ones so where would I go now if

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I was looking for pet friendly stuff I

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mean the way I used to do it is you put

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it in Google and just hope and that it's

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always the same three or four that come

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up in my area

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but I guess I'm trying to understand

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what your added value is and I have a

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little bit of a worry for you I think it

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is going to become a tick box

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any other site that just sells

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restaurants is just going to add that

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symbol and have a filter that brings it

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Forward whenever you put a search in

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which I think is a great shame because

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you know you kind of spotted it first

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you know but I'm afraid I I worry about

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that for you and you know going into an

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investment with a worry for somebody is

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not a good idea so I'm really sorry an

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idea I won't be investing I'm out

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thank you Deborah

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disappointment for Nadia who has lost

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her first dragon

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will a tech savvy Peter Jones prove any

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more receptive to this entrepreneur's

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attempt to computerize Canine

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hospitality

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I like it I think it's a really good

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idea

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I'm slightly disappointed though with

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your background that you haven't come in

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with a much bigger number of customers

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on there already 39

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I would have expected you to have said

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I've got several hundred reference

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already on board and I'm predicting by

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the end of this month I'll have a

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thousand restaurants 1500 next month I'd

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expect much more of a pipeline of where

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it's going

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so for that reason I'm out but good luck

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thank you

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no idea hi

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so My worry is that you're just going to

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shine such a big light on this that

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these other companies are going to go ah

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look what we've been missing guys

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there's this huge business opportunity

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over here if we just make our website a

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little bit more dog friendly stick a

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couple of pictures of dogs on get some

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testimonials write a few blogs Bob's

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your uncle Moross artist okay you're

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going to raise awareness for then

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someone else to eat your dinner

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so as sad as I am to say it because you

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seem lovely

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I can't invest today and I'm out

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I travel everywhere with my dog and I

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felt the pain that you're trying to

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resolve completely get that my issue is

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about the technical expertise within the

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team

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and so with this type of business I

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would want to have seen technical

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expertise in the core team to give me

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peace of mind that this team will

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iterate through all of the problems that

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I know they're going to encounter

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and I haven't seen that today

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so for that reason I'm out

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more dragons have now bowed out

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only fast Tycoon 2 K Suleiman remains

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is he prepared to trade the world of the

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catwalk for that of the dog walk

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I think the idea is great

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the way I see it is that you've got sort

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of three big challenges

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first challenge really is to get your

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Tech right and have good technical

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support

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the Second Challenge is to get enough

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dog owners to use it and the third

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challenge is to get enough restaurants

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there's your free challenges and on top

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of that the main here is is the

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marketing

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because you know what this really means

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if I have to be totally honest with you

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this needs a million pounds thrown at it

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and I I think that your 50 000 ask it's

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just a drop in the ocean

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so I'm gonna say to you I wish you all

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the best

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and I'm out

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okay thank you thanks Nadia thank you

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thank you thanks

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Nadia leaves the den without a deal

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but despite the dog devotees previous

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pedigree the dragon's decision not to

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invest isn't proving a bone of

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contention

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I just don't think it will work without

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as you say huge resources money and

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talent at least a lot of money Millions

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you're right Millions next for Lola and

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I will just continue adding

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um businesses to wag it improving it and

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and maybe when they will come back

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