“TV Licence Is Here To Stay”

Chilli Jon Carne Podcast
25 Jan 202416:59

Summary

TLDRThe video discusses recent BBC license fee and funding news. It analyzes statements from UK culture secretary Lucy Fraser regarding a BBC midterm charter review, arguing little can change before the 2027 charter renewal. Former culture secretary Nadine Dorries suggests the government protected the BBC and deliberately stalled reforming license fees. The presenter agrees the license fee seems guaranteed until at least 2027. Overall the video critiques the BBC funding model and culture, the lack of accountability and failed reform efforts, and predicts continuation of rising license fees and prosecutions of vulnerable people.

Takeaways

  • 😡 The speaker is very frustrated with the BBC and the TV licence fee system.
  • 💸 The speaker believes the TV licence fee is essentially a tax that funds the BBC.
  • ⏰ The government has repeatedly delayed reviewing and changing the BBC funding model.
  • 😞 Vulnerable people are still being prosecuted for not paying the TV licence fee.
  • 🤔 The speaker thinks the BBC has become too big and uncontrollable.
  • 😕 The speaker doesn't believe the BBC cares about viewers.
  • ⏳ It's too late now to change the licence fee system before the next charter review in 2027.
  • 🤨 The speaker distrusts the government's mid-term review of the BBC.
  • 😌 The speaker believes former minister Nadine Dorries wanted to reform the BBC.
  • 🙄 The speaker thinks the licence fee system will continue unchanged for now.

Q & A

  • What are the main topics discussed in the video transcript?

    -The main topics discussed are the BBC licence fee, the recent BBC midterm review, and criticism of how the BBC is funded and operates.

  • What does the speaker think about the recent BBC midterm review?

    -The speaker is very critical of the midterm review, arguing that it did not result in any real fundamental changes to the BBC despite claims by politicians like Lucy Fraser.

  • What does Lucy Fraser say about changing the BBC funding model?

    -Lucy Fraser says that fundamental changes to BBC funding can only happen during the charter review periods, not during a midterm review like the recent one.

  • What does former culture secretary Nadine Dorries say about changing BBC funding?

    -Nadine Dorries says she had plans to change BBC funding that were blocked by then-Chancellor Rishi Sunak, and now changing the licence fee model is practically impossible before the next charter review.

  • What does the speaker think about the BBC prosecuting people for non-payment of the licence fee?

    -The speaker is very critical of the BBC prosecuting vulnerable people for not paying the TV licence fee, calling it a 'disgrace'.

  • What does Nadine Dorries say about who will conduct an upcoming review of BBC funding?

    -She says the government has tasked an unnamed 'independent panel of experts' to conduct the next BBC funding review.

  • What does the speaker predict will happen with the BBC licence fee?

    -He predicts the licence fee will remain unchanged for now as it is too late to change the funding model before the next charter review period.

  • What does the speaker think needs to happen to reform the BBC?

    -He believes the BBC has become too large and wasteful to reform, and would need to be completely shut down and restarted to fix its problems.

  • What does Nadine Dorries see as the core functions of the BBC?

    -She says the BBC is a globally important broadcaster, but its core functions that need preserving in any funding change are unclear.

  • What does the speaker think of Nadine Dorries' views on reforming the BBC?

    -He is critical of Dorries' defense of the BBC as a 'beacon' of broadcasting after she admits wanting to change how it is funded.

Outlines

00:00

🎥 First paragraph covers presenter commenting on midterm BBC review coverage and playing reaction clips

The presenter talks about the large amount of BBC-related news coverage recently due to the completion of the BBC midterm review. He says he will play and react to some video clips sent in by viewers related to the review, including an interview with culture secretary Lucy Fraser.

05:03

🚫 Fraser claims fundamental BBC changes can only happen at charter review periods

In the video clip, Fraser says that based on the last BBC charter review period, only fundamental changes to the BBC can be made at the charter review periods. The presenter disputes that any fundamental changes were made in the last review. Fraser says she would look to change the criminal prosecutions of TV license evasion at the next review period in 2027.

10:03

🤔 Presenter questions usefulness of midterm review if no changes can occur

The presenter argues that if no actual changes can be made to BBC funding and operations during the current midterm review, then there is no point to the review happening now. He says if real changes are planned for the 2027 charter review, preparation should start now given the long timescale needed for BBC to implement changes.

15:05

🚶‍♂️ Jeremy Kyle questions Fraser on BBC prosecution of vulnerable groups

A video clip shows Jeremy Kyle questioning Lucy Fraser about BBC's prosecution of non-viewers and vulnerable groups for TV license non-payment. Fraser avoids directly answering. The presenter agrees with Kyle's criticism of these prosecutions.

⏰ Ex culture secretary suggests past government blocked BBC funding changes

Former culture secretary Nadine Dorries says in another clip that chancellor Rishi Sunak had previously blocked her planned review into BBC funding models by calling it a 'taxation policy'. She suggests it is now too late to change the license fee funding before charter renewal in 2027.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡BBC

BBC stands for British Broadcasting Corporation. It is the public service broadcaster in the UK that is primarily funded through the TV licence fee. The video focuses on criticism of the BBC, the TV licence, and proposals to change the funding model. The script mentions how the BBC brings in £3.7 billion per year but still has a budget deficit, suggesting mismanagement.

💡TV licence

The TV licence is an annual fee charged to UK households to fund the BBC. It is controversial since failure to pay can result in criminal prosecution. The video argues this is unfair on vulnerable groups and questions why non-BBC viewers must pay it.

💡licence fee model

This refers to the funding structure where the TV licence fee is used to finance the BBC. The video says a review is needed to find an alternative that doesn't lose the BBC's core functions. However, changes likely require years of planning to implement.

💡midterm review

The government launched a midterm review assessing if the BBC is meeting its Charter requirements. But the video argues no major changes are possible until the 2027 Charter renewal, making the review fruitless.

💡criminal prosecutions

Failing to pay the TV licence can result in fines or even imprisonment. The video slams prosecuting vulnerable groups for non-payment and says this should be addressed.

💡Charter renewal

The Royal Charter sets out the governance and purpose of the BBC. It is reviewed every 10 years, with the next renewal in 2027 potentially allowing changes to the licence fee model.

💡Rishi Sunak

As former Chancellor, Rishi Sunak blocked proposals to review the TV licence fee model by falsely claiming it was a tax policy outside the Culture Secretary's jurisdiction.

💡Nadine Dorries

The former Culture Secretary had plans to reform BBC funding but reportedly faced obstruction from Rishi Sunak. The video agrees she wanted change but that government protected the licence fee.

💡taxation policy

Rishi Sunak blocked a TV licence fee review by calling it a taxation policy under Treasury jurisdiction. The video argues this admission means the licence fee is an improper tax.

💡independent panel

The government says licence fee reform will be handled by an independent panel. But the video doubts they will be truly independent or desire real change.

Highlights

The government admitted the TV license fee is a tax, not funding for the BBC

The culture secretary can't make any real changes to BBC funding until 2027 charter renewal

Jeremy Kyle confronted the culture secretary about vulnerable people being prosecuted

The government is protecting the BBC and the license fee is here to stay

The midterm review buries news about vulnerable people being prosecuted

The former culture secretary had BBC funding changes ready but was blocked

BBC has become too big to control itself and reform the culture

Tim Davie is in over his head and can't manage the BBC properly

The only way to fix the BBC is to close it down and start again

No matter the campaigns, the license fee continues unchanged

The license fee model is completely outdated

The former secretary had a review ready to change BBC funding

Core BBC functions are important but funding model needs changing

The Chancellor blocked BBC funding changes then and now

The former secretary ruined good points by defending the BBC

Transcripts

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hi it's me again and it's been a busy

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week in the world of TV license news and

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there I've struggled to keep up with

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most of it the amount of Articles and

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clips and stuff that's come out it's

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been crazy all because of the midterm

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review which is complete and at a toss

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anyway but loads of you have sent me a

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couple of video clips that you wanted me

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to have a look at so I've skimmed them

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I've chopped out some bits I thought we

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could talk about here and um yeah I'll

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react to them as always I can't promise

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I'll get very far in before kicking off

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as usual but yeah let's uh let's see

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where this goes shall

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we right first up I think it's our

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culture and media secretary Lucy Fraser

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so let's figure out how to make this

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thing play a number of years ago it was

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determined that midway between uh the

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license the uh Charter renew the next

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the the next uh Charter review period uh

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is at the end of

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2027 mid Midway uh between the periods

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there would be a midterm review of how

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the BBC is functioning uh given that the

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last Charter review we made fundamental

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changes to the BBC um so I've been

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discussing in a collaborative way how

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the BBC can improve did that just say

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there that she had fundamental change at

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the last chter review I can't think of

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any fundamental change at the last

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Charter review apart from possibly

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freezing it for a couple of years but

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did anything change did you notice

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anything changing at all and all she's

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talking about in this midterm review is

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BBC

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and ofcom because that's all they can do

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she just talk all she does is talk and

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it gets yeah it gets worse than that she

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she the woman just winds me up the woman

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just whs me up I mean I read a great

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thing the BBC shouldn't have criminal

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Tools in its Armory that you said this

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morning on times radio which I

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completely agree about this prosecution

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of vulnerable people by the BBC itself

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is an utter disgrace there are many

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people who don't watch the BBC who are

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being Target surely you want to do

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something about those people

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massively blim me well I'm not a big fan

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of Jeremy Kyle I must admit but well

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said there Jeremy hey well said mate

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you've put that to her as I would have

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put that to her so let's see if she

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Dodges the question and also I don't

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know who bought their dog to work that

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day but there seems to be some barking

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in the studio there so let's see her

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Dodge that question about prosecutions

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and the TV license let's have a look yes

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I have uh I have said uh that I don't

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agree with criminal prosecutions uh in

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relation to the BBC our powers are

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limited in order to change that uh as I

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mentioned we can only make fundamental

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change at Charter review periods but I

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have said at the next Charter uh review

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period um I will look at those criminal

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prosecutions so she did say there that

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the only change they can do is when the

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charter is due for Renewal which is 2027

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they can't do anything during the

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midterm so what's the big chat

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about the midterm review when you can't

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actually do anything and also shouldn't

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you be planning it out now 2027 isn't

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that far away if the BBC n need to make

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any fundamental change in how they

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operate surely they need to know that

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now right so why are you not getting all

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the discussion done everything planned

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out ready for 2027 if you are planning

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some change which proves to me that

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proves quite clearly she's not planning

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on changing anything due to the

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criminalization and the cost or the way

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it's funded for the license fee because

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you would need to be doing that now that

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would need to be getting rubber stamped

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written down and get the BBC to plan

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ahead for

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2027 so obviously she's doing all

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the the news organizations that the the

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public most trust is the BBC I

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understand this review I don't think

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that's true at all anymore sorry I

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disagree I think what I'm talking about

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you go survey from last year oh right

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okay um well you can't argue with Jeremy

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Kyle there can you he's clearly not a

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BBC fan he's saying the things that many

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of us are thinking and he's saying it on

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almost mainstream media to Lucy Fraser

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so that's good the other the other lady

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I watched the whole thing his

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co-presenter there I don't know her name

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sorry seems to be a bit of a fan of the

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BBC maybe she's angling for a job there

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but we didn't really get a lot more out

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of Lucy Fraser in this interview she

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didn't really say a lot more she went

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off all about stately homes and other

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bits and pieces that are just not

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relevant to me so the person that was in

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the news recently talking about these

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things one of the Talking Heads was

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former culture and media secretary naen

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Doris who you may remember back when she

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was in the gig I talked about her a lot

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I had a lot of Hope a lot of Hope for

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naen I thought she was going to get the

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job done and she's now going to talk

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about it and it's quite interesting

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there was a review that was due to be

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launched about how the BBC is funded and

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the BBC license fee and that was was

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delayed by rishy sunak over and over it

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was blocked when he was chancelor he

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actually said to me no you can't do this

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because it's a taxation policy and

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Taxation policy is the treasury it isn't

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a taxation policy but you blocked and

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blocked it well that's interesting right

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that's interesting so she reord she had

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some stuff written down and it was

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blocked by then Chancellor Rishi sunak

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who called it taxation policy and it's

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none of her business so there it is the

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government themselves the that's sitting

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in the high chair now admitting that the

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TV license fee is a tax it's not funding

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for your favorite public service

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broadcaster it's actually a government

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tax now I held out a lot of Hope for

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naen I thought she could get the job

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done but she does go on to say maybe it

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wasn't wasn't all her fault the

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government are protecting the BBC she

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just admitted it there she also says

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multiple times in this the license fees

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is going nowhere and she knows more

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about it than I know and last a few

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weeks ago in December on a busy news day

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the government slipped out onto its

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website that it has launched the review

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but it said the review would be

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undertaken by an independent panel of

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experts and they have yet to announce

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who that is the review is going to be

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done by an independent panel of experts

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but they haven't said who it is well I

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can Hazard a guess that there'll be

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people who used to work for the BBC or

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for the government that are supporters

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of the BBC it won't be someone like me

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who's critical of the

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BBC no why would they do that I'm not

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going to get the result they want then

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are they the most important thing is

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this that as a result of the government

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holding up that review of the BBC

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license fee the license fee is here to

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stay because there is no way I was told

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when I was culture secretary it would

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take at least three years to bring a

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change about they have deliberately

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stalled until now and it is therefore

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not possible to change the BBC funding

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model so the BBC license fee is here to

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stay how many times have I said that if

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you're a regular viewer of this channel

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you'll know how many times I've said

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that it will take years to turn the BBC

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around they're going to need at least

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three years notice to be able to do

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anything so if they're going to change

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the funding model it's got to be rubber

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stamped today because the BBC will say

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well we can't just turn adverts on or

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start a subscription service tomorrow we

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it's going to take us a couple of years

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to get everything implemented and

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procedures in place and and rightly or

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wrongly so with that that is what the

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situation will be so it needs to be

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sorted out now I've said ages ago I last

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year about this time last year if you

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track back on the videos I will have

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said this is it the license fee will get

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renewed again they might give it another

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five years just as a temporary measure

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while they work it out or they might

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give it the full bifter again it's too

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late now to change the license fee model

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which is okay because it means they

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can't change it into a media tax even

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though they've just admitted it is a tax

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that you can't avoid if it carries on

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like it is at least you don't have to

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pay it if you don't need it so it's not

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the end of the world but yeah she's been

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she's saying the things I've been saying

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for

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ages which uh makes me feel better means

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I was on the right track and it will

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continue to rise and people will 3,500

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prosec tions a month are taking place

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people will still be prosecuted the most

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vulnerable people for non-payment of the

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license fee that is the shocking piece

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of news about the BBC that's not what

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anyone is talking about and that's

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what's been buried if you like by this

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window dressing today of the fact that

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ofcom will be holding the BBC to account

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for its online content I think she's

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right I think there is a lot of that in

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the news recently there's been so many

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articles about people with disabilities

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or people being dragged to court who are

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vulnerable it's been going on a lot now

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this midterm review buries all of that

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when you search for BBC like news

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related stuff for the TV license stuff

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it buries it all under this ofcom review

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where ofcom are doing a great thing to

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help impartiality of the BBC and all of

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that it's buried all those vulnerable

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people that are being prosecuted so yeah

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I I always I liked naen when she first

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got the gig I held great hope for naen

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and I said I do remember saying I'll

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have to track back some of the old

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videos that I think I do believe that

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she wanted fundamental change I do

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believe she wanted to change the BBC and

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I did believe even while she was in the

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job that she was being held back from

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doing it and it sort of sounds like that

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I mean she's not going to burn any

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Bridges by actually saying that but it

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does sound a bit like that doesn't it

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yeah and of course you refer to a

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reporting yesterday Sunday Times Nadine

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3 and a half thousand a month license

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fears are being are being prosecuted

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often in closed courts without any

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chance of representation including

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disabled people those in wheelchairs who

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just miss a single payment and indeed

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people that paid their payments for them

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may themselves have been through

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bereavements this paints a picture

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doesn't it that of a heartless uncaring

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organization only intent on making

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profit at any

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cost well they are they've proven that

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over and over again there's no heart at

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the BBC They Don't Care About You the

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viewer the boss of the BBC C said

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publicly last year he doesn't care about

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viewing figures and they're okay to take

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vulnerable people with mental health

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disorders to court for not paying a TV

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Subscription Service does that sound

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like an organization that cares just

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sound like an organization with heart no

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they're not they it's ridiculous

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situation anyway yeah and I think it's

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um it's it's a the problem with the BBC

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is a huge organization and it's grown

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Beyond its own ability to control itself

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and to regulate itself it's got too big

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and you know when you have large

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organizations whether it's the BBC or

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the NHS that a a culture develops and a

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culture grows and it become the culture

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becomes so huge that doesn't matter who

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you've got at the top they just can know

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long it becomes a monster and it's a

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monster they can't control and that is

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what has happened with the BBC it sounds

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like I've been on the right track then

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with some of the things I've been saying

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I'd like to interview Nate and have a

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little chat with her about it I've been

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saying for a while that Tim Dave is in

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over his head can't manage it any

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organization that brings in 3.7 billion

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quid a year and can't make enough TV

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programs to please the people and still

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ends up with a300 million pound black

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hole is knackered it makes no sense how

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they can't do that the culture at the

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BBC is wasteful they cannot manage it

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and don't talk about some of the other

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culture they've had at the BBC in the

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past with covering up stuff the only way

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to correct the BBC not that I think it

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should be corrected I think it should be

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ended personally or at least stand on

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your own two feet would be to close it

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down and start again from scratch it's

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gone too far you know it doesn't matter

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how often I come on TV stations like

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yours or how often I write about it in

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my column of the daily mail it still

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continues to just roll on as it is

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nothing takes place and it's to change

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the process and and that's what we're

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stuck with now we're stuck with the BBC

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license fee we've probably got an

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incoming labor government it will never

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change the license fee will continue to

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have to more thre and the BBC will

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ofcom's best efforts will continue just

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as it is again it's a fair point I mean

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how many petitions have there been to

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scrap the license fee or to give people

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a vote on whether they need to pay the

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license fee how many newspaper articles

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how many campaigns have been launched to

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try and stop the prosecutions or just to

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stop the license fee in general over the

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last 10 years I have lost count and

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where are we exact exactly the same as

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where we were 10 years ago except for he

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going up again this

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year nothing is working because it must

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be so protected from the top as naen

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said where is this going to go the

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license fee is here to stay for a while

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which is better than it becoming a media

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tax or going on your counsil tax or

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something granted but it still doesn't

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make any sense in this day and age for

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one organization to tax the people in

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order for you to watch some other

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channel how is this even making sense in

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today's day and age in 2022 you were

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saying the current model is completely

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outdated and the BB the ofcom should

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hold the BBC to account and we need a

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completely new way of funding the BBC

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what would you like to see

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happen so the review which I had ready

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to go on the day Boris Johnson was we

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were ready to launch that the following

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week um should have been launched years

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ago I mean what I want to see happen has

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been timed out she had a review written

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and

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done publish it then it can't it can't

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go into power now it's it's meaningless

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isn't it but let us know what you had in

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this review na I'd like to know it might

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be some reason she can't is probably

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secret or something in there but I would

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love to know what naen had

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written in that review and I had the

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full backing of the Prime Minister Boris

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Johnson in launching the review of the

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BBC license fee and in finding an

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Innovative way of funding the BBC

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without losing those core functions of

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the BBC which are important you know it

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is important to say the BBC is a beacon

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of broadcasting across the globe without

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losing those core functions how could we

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how could we make it better value for

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people in the UK who are having to pay

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ever increasing cost I had his full

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backing um but I didn't have the backing

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of the chancellor Rishi sunak and it

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doesn't appear that the people have the

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backing of Rishi sunak now because this

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is just window dressing and the BBC

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license fee is here to stay well she

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knackered that didn't she she knackered

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all those Good Things She Said by saying

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the BBC is a beacon and we need to find

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a new way to fund it and stuff like that

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and defending Boris Johnson and let's

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not forget that Boris Johnson made an

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election promise to keep the free TV

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licenses for the over 75s which is a

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government funded thing he got into

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Power what did he do he went yeah no

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we're not doing that it's the BBC's

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problem now let the BBC fund it and the

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BBC when we ar funding it and that's why

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over 75 generally now have to buy a TV

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license none of that ex she says some

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good thing this was always the problem I

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had with 19 she says some good things

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and then she just completely ruins it by

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saying something else I don't know I

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thought it was interesting to hear I can

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get rid of these now God for that I

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thought it was interesting to hear what

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she had to say because I I do believe

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that she wanted to change the BBC

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whether to suit us more or to suit the

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government more

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we don't know do we but I do also

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believe she was stopped from doing that

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do I believe Lucy Fraser wants to

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fundamentally change the way the BBC is

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funded and to decriminalize the TV

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license

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fee no not for a bloody

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second and what do you think about these

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I'll tell you what I'll put the link to

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both these videos in full down in the

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description so you can go and have a

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look yourself and listen to the whole

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thing but the Lucy Fraser one was mostly

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related to the TV license feere apart

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from the couple of clips that I showed

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you let me know your thoughts on it down

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in the comments below and way down there

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leaving your comment hit all the buttons

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and everything as well it can't HT can

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hit subscribe all of that it's all free

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to do and if you do that it keeps you up

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to date with the channel and hopefully

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I'll see you in another video again soon

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why I thanks for watching

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