BP REACTS: Biden's CAMPAIGN State Of The Union

Summary

The transcript discusses the 2024 State of the Union address by Joe Biden, highlighting notable moments and public reactions. It delves into Biden's performance, his interaction with hecklers, and the political implications of his speech. The conversation touches on Biden's immigration policy, his handling of Ukraine, and the strategic placement of topics within his speech. The participants also reflect on the media's response and the potential impact on Biden's re-election campaign.

Takeaways

• 📣 Joe Biden's 2024 State of the Union address highlighted his administration's efforts on Ukraine, the economy, and immigration.
• 🤔 Biden's appearance and energy level were noted, with some commentators suggesting he looked less aged than usual.
• 🗣️ Biden's speech structure was criticized for frontloading popular topics and saving contentious issues like immigration for later.
• 💡 Biden's immigration policy was called out for inconsistency, with moments of aggressive rhetoric contrasting with pro-immigration statements.
• 🎥 Biden's off-script moments, particularly interactions with Marjorie Taylor Greene, were seen as undermining his planned message.
• 🌐 The speech's reception was mixed, with some praising Biden's performance and others highlighting the disconnect with public sentiment.
• 🔄 Biden's strategy of engaging with hecklers was seen as a double-edged sword, potentially overshadowing scripted points.
• 🏛️ The speech's focus on economic policies, such as housing affordability and antitrust measures, was generally well-received.
• 🌊 Biden's handling of foreign policy, particularly regarding Ukraine and Gaza, was a significant part of the address.
• 📉 The speech's impact may be limited by the viral nature of media, with off-script moments likely to be more memorable than policy discussions.

Q & A

What was the general perception of Joe Biden's appearance during the 2024 State of the Union address?

The perception was that Joe Biden looked less old than he normally does, but the press was expected to focus on this aspect for a few days.

What was the public's opinion on Biden's age before the speech?

90% of the people thought he was too old before the speech, and this opinion was expected to remain unchanged after the speech.

How did the panelists view Biden's performance in delivering the speech?

The panelists acknowledged that Biden did better than expected, but they also pointed out several issues, such as going off-script and engaging with hecklers, which they found problematic.

What was the significance of Biden's interaction with Marjorie Taylor Greene during the speech?

Biden's interaction with Marjorie Taylor Greene, where he tried to engage with her and made a gaffe by saying "illegal" instead of "legal," was seen as a symbol of his struggles when going off-script.

What was the panel's take on Biden's immigration policy as discussed in the speech?

The panel criticized Biden's immigration policy, stating that it was contradictory and that his attempts to appear tough on immigration were not convincing.

How did the panelists react to Biden's mention of Ukraine at the beginning of the speech?

The panelists were surprised and critical of Biden starting the speech with Ukraine, considering it a foreign issue that should not have been prioritized over domestic concerns.

What was the panel's opinion on Biden's handling of the January 6th and Roe v. Wade issues?

The panel acknowledged that Biden scored points with his base by addressing these issues, but they also noted that these points were somewhat overshadowed by other aspects of his performance.

What was the panel's view on the structure of Biden's speech?

The panelists believed that the speech was structured to frontload issues where Biden has better approval ratings, such as Ukraine and the economy, while saving more controversial topics like immigration for later.

How did the panelists perceive the political strategy behind the speech?

The panelists saw the speech as a political strategy to contrast Biden with Trump and to try to reset the narrative, but they also noted that the strategy had its flaws, especially when Biden went off-script.

What was the panel's reaction to Biden's economic policy proposals in the speech?

The panelists found some of the economic policy proposals, such as making housing more affordable and using antitrust to crack down on price fixing, to be well-crafted and potentially beneficial.

Outlines

00:00

🗣️ Biden's State of the Union: Aged Appearance and Public Perception

The paragraph discusses the public's perception of Joe Biden's age and his performance during the 2024 State of the Union address. It highlights the contrast between the media's portrayal of Biden's speech as a success and the public's skepticism, particularly regarding his age and cognitive abilities. The conversation also touches on Biden's appearance, noting that while he looked less aged during the speech, the public's opinion on his age remains largely negative.

05:03

📺 Media Strategy and Public Engagement

This section delves into the media's response to Biden's State of the Union speech, suggesting that while the media praised his delivery, the American public is not easily swayed. The discussion includes the timing of Biden's speech, particularly his mention of immigration and other contentious issues, and how this may have affected viewership and public opinion. The conversation also criticizes Biden's approach to foreign policy, particularly regarding Ukraine and Gaza, and the perceived disconnect between his administration's actions and the rhetoric used in the speech.

10:03

💬 Biden's Interactions and Heckling

The paragraph focuses on Biden's interactions with hecklers during the speech, including his exchanges with Marjorie Taylor Greene. It discusses the political implications of these interactions, the potential impact on Biden's image, and the public's reaction to his off-script moments. The conversation also touches on Biden's handling of sensitive topics, such as immigration and the economy, and how these moments may overshadow the scripted parts of his speech.

15:04

📉 Biden's Approval Ratings and Political Strategy

This section analyzes Biden's approval ratings, particularly in relation to immigration and foreign policy, and how these issues are affecting his political strategy. The discussion includes the challenges Biden faces in trying to appease different political factions, the potential impact on his re-election campaign, and the criticism he receives from both the left and the right. The conversation also explores the influence of the Democratic and Republican bases on policy decisions and the potential for the left to exert more political power.

20:05

🏠 Economic Policies and Housing Affordability

The paragraph discusses the economic policies outlined in Biden's State of the Union speech, focusing on proposals to make housing more affordable and the use of antitrust laws to address issues in the rental market. The conversation includes the potential impact of these policies on homeowners, renters, and the overall economy, as well as the political strategy behind emphasizing economic issues in the speech. The discussion also touches on the public's trust in Biden's ability to deliver on long-term economic promises.

25:06

🎥 Viral Moments and Public Perception

This section reflects on the impact of viral moments from the State of the Union speech, such as Biden's interactions with hecklers and his off-script comments. The conversation discusses how these moments may overshadow the planned rhetoric and policy proposals, and the potential consequences for Biden's political image and public perception. The discussion also includes predictions about the upcoming election strategy, particularly in relation to debates and public appearances.

Keywords

💡State of the Union

The State of the Union is an annual speech delivered by the President of the United States to Congress, outlining the administration's goals and priorities. In this video, the discussion revolves around Joe Biden's 2024 State of the Union address, focusing on his performance and the content of his speech.

💡Joe Biden

Joe Biden is the 46th President of the United States. The video transcript discusses his speech at the 2024 State of the Union, his age, and the public's perception of his leadership.

💡Immigration

Immigration is the movement of people to a destination country of which they are not natives or where they do not possess citizenship in order to settle or reside as permanent residents or naturalized citizens. In the context of the video, immigration is a contentious issue in Biden's State of the Union address, with discussions on his policies and the public's reaction.

💡Ukraine

Ukraine is a country in Eastern Europe that has been a focal point of international relations, particularly due to its conflict with Russia. In the video, Biden's speech on Ukraine is discussed, with emphasis on his call for aid and the political implications of his stance.

💡January 6th

January 6th refers to the date of the storming of the U.S. Capitol by supporters of then-President Donald Trump. The video transcript discusses how Biden addressed this event in his State of the Union speech, using it to contrast his leadership with that of his predecessor.

💡Economic Policy

Economic policy refers to the actions and strategies adopted by governments to influence the economy. In the video, Biden's economic policies, such as housing affordability and antitrust measures, are discussed as part of his State of the Union address.

💡Populism

Populism is a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups. The video transcript discusses Biden's use of populist rhetoric in his speech, aiming to connect with the public on economic issues.

💡Optics

In politics, optics refer to the public perception of an event or action, often independent of the actual content or intent. The video transcript analyzes the optics of Biden's State of the Union, including his appearance and interactions with Congress members.

💡Political Strategy

Political strategy involves the planning and actions taken to achieve political goals. The video transcript evaluates Biden's political strategy in his State of the Union address, including the order in which he addressed various issues and his interactions with Congress.

💡Public Perception

Public perception refers to how the general public views or understands a particular issue, person, or event. The video transcript explores how Biden's State of the Union speech might shape or reflect the public's perception of his presidency and policies.

Highlights

Joe Biden's 2024 State of the Union address was dissected for its notable moments and public reception.

Biden appeared less aged than usual, but the public's perception of his age remained largely unchanged.

The speech was criticized for beginning with a focus on Ukraine, which some found inappropriate given the domestic issues at hand.

Biden's interaction with Marjorie Taylor Greene and the mention of Lake and Riley's case was highlighted as a significant moment.

Biden's immigration policy was criticized for being inconsistent and failing to please either side of the political spectrum.

The speech's structure was analyzed, with Biden leading with topics of high approval ratings and saving controversial issues for later.

Biden's performance was compared to past presidents, with some suggesting his speech was more akin to a campaign event than a State of the Union.

The speech's economic focus, including housing affordability and antitrust measures, was praised for its populist approach.

Biden's handling of the Gaza situation was seen as overshadowing his economic achievements and potentially damaging his legacy.

The conversation touched on the power dynamics within the Democratic and Republican parties and their bases' influence on policy.

Biden's ability to engage with hecklers during the speech was discussed, with some seeing it as a positive and others as a distraction.

The speech's impact on Biden's re-election campaign and the strategy for debates with potential opponents was speculated upon.

The transcript highlighted the importance of viral moments and off-script interactions in shaping public perception of the speech.

The conversation concluded with predictions about the future of Biden's political strategy and the potential for fewer debates in the upcoming election.

Transcripts

all right so we of course have been

listening to Joe Biden deliver the 2024

State of the Union we've pulled a few of

the uh notable most notable notable

quotable moments I guess uh we would say

Ryan has joined us at the table now and

uh since you we haven't heard from

you chilling I'm

jealous

again um in any case uh what were your

sort of Topline takeaways do you think

he met the moment I mean I'm so sick of

these things yeah the whole country

feels I

mean okay so he looked like less old

than he normally looks true for a while

a bit for a bit sort of flag there at

the end but it's like okay good and and

the the the Press is going to talk about

that for a couple days but it's like so

what so so he looked Less Old than he

normally looks like on one night the

American people are not stupid like they

know 90% of them thought he was too old

before the speech 90% of them still

think he's too old and think that he

like gave a decent speech M and was like

hopped up on the right stuff yeah and

wait another day and there's going to be

another video clip of him looking just

insanely too old so just for a just if

we're going to do the Optics Horse Race

part of it yeah uh I think everybody on

CNN MSNBC was going to be talking about

how great a job that he did at

delivering like sentences off of the

teleprompter are missing the fact that

the American people are not idiots Larry

Sab already said it was a quote Home Run

it's going to get good reviews but

you're down by 30 runs it's a nth inning

and he tweeted so Larry sabido said that

about halfway through the speech and I

actually think that's an important kind

of dividing line it did seem Donald

Trump tweeted that the meds were wearing

off that's an actual Trump truth social

post it did though seem like Joe Biden

as he got more comfortable behind the

podium was trying to mix it up as you

had sort of margar Taylor green and

other Freedom caucus people yelling back

at him he had some exchanges that if he

weren't as old as he is might have gone

better for him but it was horrible I

mean it was like he he had built up this

momentum and then he lost it because he

spent his Capital like trying to go back

and forth with marger Taylor gream and

like actually the perfect symbol of that

is margorie Taylor gream gave him the

lake and Riley button that's the name of

the girl who was killed in Georgia uh

recently and Biden had it on the podium

with him and then he said her name wrong

and he had his name right in her name

right front of him there were crazy

coughs and other things then he said

illegal I was I mean that was that was

it was probably politically AIT okay so

I I did see uh Jonathan Martin made a

good point on Twitter he was like

imagine watching the Democratic debates

in 2019 and the way that the entire

party including Joe Biden was talking

about immigration and then hearing him

in the State of the Union say not even

illegal immigrant an illegal illegal

right that's

otherwise but otherwise that part was

actually pretty Pro immigration and and

general it was just that one rhetorical

slip I mean I just think that there

first of all I think the policy on

immigration and the like hey Donald

Trump we want to argue to the American

people that you're literally a fascist

On the Border but also why don't you

work with me on implementing your

fascism at the bordedom border is

a foolish insane strategy and I think

the foolishness of that strategy was

reflected in that moment where he's

trying to on the one hand act like he's

as much of a hard ass as the Republicans

like I will be just as cruel at the

border as you are and on the other hand

still trying to do the liberal like but

we want to welcome every agre it doesn't

make any freaking sense and then when

you he goes off the prompter and does

this trying to mix it up first of all

it's a hot mess on every level right

you're you're holding your breath the

whole time like oh where is this going

it is hard to watch because you know

he's going off the r rails it doesn't

really totally make sense he's using the

wrong name he's using this sort of like

you know Antiquated pejorative that is

completely verboten you know left of

center yeah and so it's it's a mess but

I mean listen if this was Obama

delivering this speech at this level

tonight everyone would be going that was

an utter cat like that's a good point

there's something wrong with Barack

Obama what has happened to him because

it's Joe Biden like yes the CNN people

are going to make him sound like he was

amazing and it was perfect and it was

like FDR and rean and whoever rolled up

into one but he did do better than the

expectations that were set for him and I

think for him tonight that was all he

really needed to do when we're just

talking about the horse race and the

optic let me zoom out a little bit just

from the structure of the speech because

we kind of skipped ahead to immigration

and I actually think it's a key point is

I actually have a Time code here in

front of me so Biden began speaking

somewhere between like 9:15 9:25 uh he

did not mention immigration until 10:08

p.m. and that was you know well within

some 45 50 minutes into the speech the

vast majority of the people who watch

the State of the Union only watch the

first 15 to 30 minutes so the

construction of the speech was basically

to frontload the issues where he has the

best approval rating on from Ukraine to

the uh to the economy a lot of the drug

pricing scrub yeah that's right so I

have I actually have the list in front

of me it was Ukraine January 6 IVF Row

versus Wade making fun of Republicans

for cheering on infrastructure money

then drug price stent then tax cuts for

the rich then immigration right so now

we're 10 p.m. we're well past the time

where a lot of folks have turned the

television off and then Israel comes

after that so he saved and we've we've

consistent polling we've reflected here

on our Tuesday show the number one issue

that Biden is underwater immigration

number two is Gaza Ukraine somehow don't

ask me why people haven't been watching

enough Breaking points is his top issue

so that's what he decided to lead with

and uh we actually have a clip of that I

believe that we can show you uh I I will

just say I am personally offended and

stunned genuinely that the State of the

Union about the United States of America

began with a TI raade about Ukraine and

why we should fund a foreign war which

is I personally think is insane and he

tried to capture some reaganesque tear

down that wall energy and contrast

himself with Trump that's right we have

a clip of that so guys if we can go

ahead and play it let's take a listen

but

now the since Ukraine is being blocked

by those who want to walk away from our

world

leadership wasn't long ago when a

Republican president named Ronald Reagan

thundered Mr gorbachov tear down this

wall

[Applause]

now now my

predecessor a former Republican

president tells Putin quote do whatever

the hell you

want that's a

quote a former president actually said

that bowing down to a Russian leader I

think it's outrageous it's dangerous and

it's

unacceptable take a note of Joe mansion

and Mitch Mitt Romney standing up for

that one but again I mean I I'm really

wonder what you guys think I I

understand that yes he has a 46% so

approval rating on Ukraine but I mean

starting off the State of the Union on

why we must fund more Aid to Ukraine

just seems completely crazy to me the

actual political hit that he had IVF

which we will get to in a little bit and

on Row versus Wade did not come some 17

minutes Crystal into the speech so we

had Ukraine and then we had January 6

January 6 look I think it's annoying to

litigate whatever January 6 3 and a half

some years later but politically it has

played for him in his contrast with

Trump but he was really trying to

stretch that into the top and I I

thought I mean look I'll just put it

this way it was a choice it was a choice

to start on

Ukraine normally I feel like I'm pretty

decent at taking my own personal view of

situations out of my political horse

race analysis

but I cannot abide this man at this

point given the facilitation of genocide

that is going on as we speak trying to

speak in moral language about Ukraine

like I just can't it's always been

hypocritical we've always known that

that was you know a farce and covering

for a lot of other things that are going

on but given the you know full Full Pass

and the unconditional support and the

hey Netanyahu do whatever you want that

he's given I cannot take that context

away from that moment and him now trying

to use this flowery pro-democracy

[ __ ] language about Ukraine no

that's a good point actually it's very

discontin with the policy and the

through line of the bid Administration

has been not understanding what's going

on with with their base and and with

people who are just livid and shocked

and appalled at at what he's doing and

so for them I don't think they

understand how when you start talking

about like how dare you give a foreign

leader unconditional support in its

invasion of a of a helpless people like

that's so outrageous that so many people

would hear that like yes exactly how

dare you like why would but he doesn't

mention it again for another hour he

know he knows that he knows that God's

Israel is terrible for him that's why he

has it at the very back end of the

speech right but he doesn't understand

how it connects to that well and here's

here's what's been interesting too is

actually you know they have stopped

using a lot of the language like a lot

of his you know State Department Ghouls

and whoever have stopped using a lot of

that International re rules-based order

language because they know how blatantly

hypocritical it is right I mean how many

Clips have we played for members of

Congress and whatever that's like oh you

knew it was a war crime then but now

suddenly you need a lawyer you need 15

independent experts in 13 years to

figure out whether it's a freaking War

crime when it's right there in front of

your face every single day on Tik Tok so

there is some awareness in the

administration that they have lost the

ability to talk in those terms so that

was why I did find it sort of shocking

that they started with that and re tried

to re-embrace those terms I I mean

remember on his way here you had to go

the long Route Around to avoid hundreds

of protesters who are outside saying

your legacy is genocide so that is the

the this speech didn't just fall out of

a coconut tree there's a context before

so thank you for that this is an

interesting this is an interesting point

about even their media strategy because

going into this they were like not

leaking but they were doing a lot of

interviews Jeff science and other people

about how this was going to be Biden's

reset that people have quote Trump

Amnesia they don't remember how bad

things were under Trump because Biden is

still sort of purportedly digging out of

the covid hole and so people just don't

understand that Joe Biden has you know

made this recovery go up even though of

course what they're not telling you is

that up is relative to what it came down

from when Co happened and what's

interesting again is that this is not

how it works anymore that if you

frontload a speech and you're hoping to

you know minimize the damage M with

voters who are upset about your policy

in Israel or you're hoping to minimize

your damage with people who are upset

with your policy at the border CU he

also saved that way for last as you

mentioned two things that he's pulling

the worst on it doesn't matter anymore

because to your point Crystal these

clips we play these clips these clips go

viral on T I was just gonna say his the

first half of his speech for Joe Biden

he didn't seem like he was half asleep

so low bar but he cleared it good for

him on that and then as it started to

you know start speech keeps going it

obviously is slipping a little bit but

his I think some of his really sloppy

exchanges he made a personal decision we

were following the transcript of the

speech he made a personal decision to

engage constantly with his hecklers I I

don't know where you guys stand on this

I don't really have a problem with

hecklers I think it oh I I enjoy like

the I think and I think actually a lot

of I think the American well they both

seem to like it yeah that's clear

there's a feedback personally my number

one issue is deorum

that's what I on look my number one

issue is dressor but not was so upset

about but he loves the heckling anyway

uh you're a hypocrite

yeah um but anyway that that's not how

this works anymore all of those clips

you know if he was hoping to save the

border for last and Stave off some

problems with different voters those

clips are going to be viral as hell the

Gaza Clips are going to be viral as hell

it just it doesn't work like that yeah

that's right in the internet era nothing

everything is forever whether he puts on

me at the end or not I mean still think

it was obviously a political choice

because some 27 million people tuned in

last year to this it was the only

political event to top to break the top

100 broadcast very likely will get very

similar ratings this time around

especially since it is an election year

you know kind of going back to the

political hits quote unquote you know if

we have to least play the parts where I

think that he definitely scored himself

good points is he was cogent I would say

relatively because he was sticking

completely to the script he didn't seem

as off and he wasn't coughing as much

and losing his place and slurring his

speech in the first 45 minutes and he

actually stuck it a little bit on you on

uh Row versus Wade and on IVF so we do

have guys if we can play the next clip

here where he directly addresses the

Supreme Court on Row versus Wade which I

thought was a smart strategy given the

way that his Bas feels about it and how

it has animated so many voters so guys

why don't we go ahead and play that next

one and with all due respect justices

women are not without electoral

electoral

power excuse me electoral or political

power you're about to realize just how

much you

about and Ryan he also that wasn't

delivered super cleanly but you know was

a good line all right listen as you said

what did you say in the beginning we're

grading on a curb all right like we're

grading on the the silent generation

curb the long one line I still can't

believe from the speech is I was born

during World War II I'm like you should

probably just never remind people we are

literally I am watching documentaries on

Netflix of World War II in color which

is so

amazing by the way great yeah it's

awesome but when we have to colorize

footage from whenever the president of

the United States is born today little

bit nuts but Ryan we were talking we

were like wow that was his real hit was

on IVF and on R's Wade so again you know

saving it a little bit for the middle

part of the speech but calling directly

he's like let's legalize IVF right now

and pointing to one of the women in the

balcony you had a good idea of how Biden

should haveed speech right half joke but

not really because at this point what do

you have to lose if if I were his speech

writer I would have given him a onepage

speech and it's IVF and roie Wade you

get in there you talk about those two

things you're like bye that's

it us to just talk about how he did that

not even antitrust cuz once you start

doing antitrust you

open a shrunken can of

worms those worms just keep coming you

do IVF and row yeah and and then and

then you just lay it on the table that

it's like look I am running for

reelection you you think I'm way too old

for this job you think I'm doing a

genocide but the Republicans are crazy

and they do the they're going to crazy

[ __ ] and Trump and and be like look

that's it don't pretend like you're

offering anything he didn't say Trump's

Name by the way well I I wanted to make

the point though that especially the

early part of the speech and I this was

obviously a very intentional choice to

try to make Biden look feisty and

vigorous and all that it was very

aggressive it I it was it was very you

know coming after you he didn't say

Trump's name but he said you know my the

former president my predecessor etc etc

it was especially the first portion was

a campaign speech and um you know so he

hits him on Putin and he's going to let

Putin do whatever he wants and then he

hits him on January 6th hits him on

abortion and you're the one that put

these justices on the court and you know

was really taking trying to take it to

him and show that he still has the

ability to credibly do that so I think

it was you know very conscious to try to

demonstrate that he had this fight and

this level of aggressiveness that he's

able to bring to the table at least when

it's scripted in a telepromter and he's

had a whole cocktail of whatever drugs

they gave him before he stepped down we

already have Joe scarber wing and he

says it's Biden's best speech

underestimated again I mean that is the

direct audience though for what this was

that's interesting because I've seen

among the sort of

commentariat reactions that are like

this and reactions that are like Amy

Walter who said this feels more like

something one would hear at the DNC than

a state of the union he has already

mentioned his quote unquote predecessor

in negative terms two times in first in

the first few minutes Danny plea

American Enterprise Institute she's

voting on that was a problem for her a

very neoconservative person says like

literally has the Israeli and Ukraine

Flags in her bio she said what Biden

doesn't realize is how much he now

reflects Trump's Legacy angry hate

filled partisan without Hope just

Vengeance and some random untruths about

the economy so I've seen a a sort of

bifurcated reaction from the the

chattering class I think that's so

stupid this is the state of the union

before the election it is a campaign no

[ __ ] what are we all doing here do we

remember Trump speech I remember Obama's

as well Obama's 2012 that was a huge

campaign

kickoff the Supreme Court was unusual

yeah row is you know the the major

deciding read that's the main thing

that's getting you know even de to crawl

out and actually vote for the Amy

Walters at the world are this like

Centrist like DC class that used to kind

of squat comfortably between the two

parties and now it's more difficult for

them because the Maga Wing they don't

have a they don't have a spot there so

it's hard for them to pretend to both

sides it that they can't both sides it

as well so they have to like figure out

ways to like not look like they're

Democrats because they have just become

Democrats whether they want to admit it

or not so one way to say well I'm not a

Democrat a they this guy out theate of

the political it's he's the president

he's the top figure in the country he's

running for re-election he'd be an idiot

not to do I mean this is always gets

back to the strategy he was very look he

was yeah he was shy I mean look that's

what it takes for him to be able to

speak clearly so that's that I mean

again that's very inten listen with the

floor the the bar is as low as it could

possibly be okay but the whole thing I'm

sure they coached him up like be loud be

energetic and so that's why he comes out

there and he's screaming at us don't

Rift too much yeah well that part like

wandered off the rails at the end but I

mean in in a way too the fact that you

bury your toughest issues at the end

when the meds are wearing off and you're

starting to go is not not actually a

great strategy but since we're talking

about decorum it's as good of a time as

any to um show this little Marjorie

Taylor green Joe Biden interaction this

is as he's walking in you know he's

doing the the grip and grin with all the

gathered members of whatever margery's

there she's in her red Maga hat and she

has the uh what is Lake and

um pin that she's trying to put in his

face and we've got a reaction from uh

the president that caught a lot of

people's attention let's take a look at

[Applause]

that over

here so that that face is what everybody

well chis I I guess we don't have the

clip of this but what it was and there

was a noteworthy part where he held it

up and this is what we referenced in the

beginning and he cuz she was shouting

his name she was interrupting him

whenever he was calling for the passage

of the bipartison Border Bill and he was

like say her name and he actually took

out the pen he said yes it's Lake and

Riley as you said he referred to he said

yes she was killed by any illegal where

I did see some uh some gasps I mean even

me I was like wow I can't believe a

Democratic president just said that it

has yeah what did you say has it hasn't

been Canon I think in the Lexicon for

quite we do actually have a portion of

that but the internet was reacting to

that face so that's why we wanted to

show the face that was it was fun

there's a lot of Internet reaction to

that but we do have a portion of the IM

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that Lincoln Lincoln Riley an innocent

young woman who was killed by an illegal

that's right but how many thousands of

people being killed by legal wow yeah I

mean again genuinely crazy yeah and it

went on from there um uncomfortably but

yeah I mean it was the reason why I was

uncomfortable as Emily noted is he

didn't know the name properly and then

he was like stumbling kind of through it

didn't know what he was doing I mean

electorally in front of on the pen and I

know the point he was trying to make

there which is that the native born

population has a higher crime rate than

the Immigrant population yeah so but

then when you're in the position of

being like yeah well how many people to

regular Americans murder it's like well

that wasn't made really the most Artful

way possible and that's when I started

you know getting nervous and then he's

like this killed by an illegal and Trump

you think you think we're so innocent oh

yeah wait but he was right Trump was

right come on yeah yeah like they're

both right that is going to be Mega

viral though and undermine any attempt

that his administration made and it's

because he went off script he didn't

have to go off script but Emily we know

that I mean those attempts were already

of course done the the other thing that

happened there is James Langford senator

who worked on that bipartisan bill which

was you know legitimately very hard line

in which Trump came out and was like no

I don't want this passed because I want

to use this as an issue in the election

Langford was the sort of lead Republican

negotiator on that and so when Biden is

there saying this is the toughest border

security bill that any president has

ever you know tried to push through

lenford actually mouss that's true as

his Republican colleagues are booing and

you know no that's a lie margerie Taylor

green doing her thing and whatever I

think it's a big Hope from l yeah I

personally think it's co if people want

we did an hour and a half long debate

about this bill people can go watch it

for themselves also relative what's

what's what you know what is a bill that

has been tougher than what I would what

I would come back to is just is is

really this is on the politics of it I

I've always agreed with Crystal is if

you care about the Border I care about

the Border Emily you do too uh it's one

of those things just like yeah we don't

trust you Biden period end the story

like even with all these other

Shenanigans because of the people who

work for you and all the other things

that have happened in the last interm

three years years you actually I think

at this point if you're a border voter

like you're just a republican 100% like

you're going to vote for him and or

you're going to vote for Trump or you're

just not going to vote for Biden on this

issue period now can he move some like

independent Vote or anything on this I

genuinely don't think so I think his

best his best you wouldn't say that

there was another bill that was tougher

you're just saying I don't trust Biden

to implement a tough bill this is what

I'm saying about the bill like what

we've had legislation introduced in 2017

that was much tougher under Trump there

was one hr2 is what the Republicans have

passed no well no it did pass House of

Representatives right but it didn't

wasn't made in a

law pass either I'm deled that it was

blocked I'm just saying can't say the

toughest one a billion other bills out

there the point is theoretically hr2 can

pass think about think about this you

know there's no way in hell Democrats

would vote for this [ __ ] under Trump

sure not a [ __ ] chance not a chance

that they would have backed this bill

with no path nothing even for DACA for

the Dre none of that under the next

Trump I'm not maybe look

maybe would have under Bush the

Democratic Party The New York Times had

an amazing poll on this how Democrats

have moved way more than Republicans in

the last like just the average V the

last 20 30 years just on immigration is

what I'm talking about and I think

that's what's for Republicans that's

what to me was interesting about Biden

actually being willing to take the pin

from margorie Taylor green and then go

back and forth I just saw it as so em

are also acting like this is some like

open borders down him him the most

honest like positioning that you get

from him when he blurts out something

like an illegal kill I mean this is who

he's been throughout his career he's not

some lib on this issue but that's like

the Whiplash that people get with like

Democrats genuinely like disaffected

people will look at this or people who

care about the the border and they don't

feel like Democrats have could have have

dedicated enough time to it and haven't

been willing to take tough steps to it

that's why I thought the moment was so

emblematic like Biden took the pen from

Mary Taylor green he tried to interact

with her he thought he was interacting

with her in good faith which is in of

itself a weird thing I think he was

trying to flip it is what I think he was

he was trying to get the political one

but that's it's sort of all of it in a

nutshell that Biden wants to try to

please these two unpleasable block and

he thinks he's the only one who can do

it like I like I alone can fix it just

think about okay so the two areas where

Biden has the worst approval writing

right now immigration in Gaza

immigration in Gaza right and in order

to try to appease a group of people who

you're right are Republicans and are not

voting for him no it's not going to

happen people who for imig you know that

the borderer and the quote unquote

immigration crisis is their number one

issue they're not voting for him he is

willing to abandon everything he said on

the campaign Trail and literally reach

out his hand and say Donald Trump work

with me on this issue on Gaza he's

willing to pretend like he cares and do

literally nothing to change the policy

because it's the pressure from the left

I mean I mean it's it's so illustrative

of the contempt with which the

Democratic party holds anything that

they see as coming from the left they

just hold it in complete and utter

contempt yeah agree and they Delight in

screwing up it's the total opposite on

the Republican Party side I think they

go to Great Lengths to try to like

please and cater to their uh their base

but the Republican base would say the

lford negotiations was the biggest

middle finger they ever got from but

they didn't but then they backed away

from it when they got pressure from the

base they

said and here here's the thing is I just

don't think you can deny I am delighted

that they killed this bill now I don't

think anything's going to happen the the

things that are more likely to happen is

Trump gets in again whatever he does

through executive orders which is quite

significant what he could do that's

what's likely to happen but in terms of

you know actual legislation passing no

they're not going to get another B at

the South was purely political right CU

why would Democrats help him because at

that point it's Trump's problem exactly

the

that Republicans were like sorry Biden

this is your problem and at the same

time Democrats have completely abandoned

any sort of moral High Ground that they

had on this issue and they've just like

accepted the Republican argument which

why I think it's you know both a moral

and political disaster I will stick with

what you said um you know immigration

debates and all that aside I think that

a point that you're making is important

about political constituency's ability

to exercise power and the Border because

it's interesting because if you look in

the past the Republican base was

basically the Republican bases wanted

immigration restriction for like 70

years or whatever like for as long as as

the modern coalitions existed screwed

screwed screwed gang of eight over and

over again they were finally able to

extract actually some blood on Eric

caner and then with the freedom caucus

from there plus the rise of trump you

have Marco Rubio Ted Cruz Jeb Bush and

all these other people to disavow their

previous immigration policies and

basically meet Trump where he is and

then you get to the status quo of today

where the base is able to kill a border

Bill the problem and I mean there's a

myriad reasons why it's maybe what this

is I actually want to know what you guys

think it's for some reason we haven't

seen the ability for the left to

exercise that same level of political

power until look maybe today's the

breaking point right because we have

uncommitted that actually is a genuine

political force and I mean I think that

the calculus and this is where I

probably defend the two of you and have

stock up for you also for my when my

centrus Biden bends get very upset and

the things that you say is they're like

saysh Trump

would it's not just Marshall is they're

like yeah but but but Trump would be so

much worse I'm like yeah but they're

trying to extract a pound of Flesh to

show that they can and it's like that

just hasn't really happened a lot with

the political left in this country and

that's the issue is kneejerk

assumption that really started with Bill

Clinton yeah right that the way to win

is to kick the left and posture like

you're you know to adopt a lot of the

Republican position like on welfare and

the symb he the poster cidate that is

his

ideological yes and I mean you know I

keep uh Mark Lemont Hill said this with

regards to Israel and how they were have

been so clueless about what a problem

this is for them electorally which has

been obvious from the very beginning but

if you've been in Washington 50 years in

that 50 years it has never been a

political problem to be too pro- Israel

MH and so him and the you know his

little bubble of people who have similar

like 50-year careers in Washington DC

and all of these things baked in they're

just not able to adjust to any other

assumption they're not able to realize

that there are certain areas where

actually the leftwing position is

incredibly popular and you would benefit

from adopting that position now I do

want to give uh some credit to the

economic portion of this speech which I

thought thought was well crafted I

thought it emphasized I thought it was

good I mean it was very like made in

America it was very sort of like

economic nationalist in a way that I

think lands in a real populist way um he

spent a lot of time talking about

specific proposals to help make housing

more affordable both for homeowners

aspiring homeowners and renters he

talked about using antitrust to go after

um these big landlord companies that are

basically rigging the markets and using

he didn't get into the whole algorithm

situation but we actually covered on the

show this week but um using the

antitrust division to try to crack down

on price fixing in the rental market

which is increasingly a huge issue you

know I thought there were some genuinely

good things there it's hard for me

though you know it's just hard for me to

really give him credit on any of this

when Gaza and what's happening there

just Loom so large over all of it what

do you think Ryan about look about this

pound of Flesh like the ability for the

left exercise power I think

fundamentally one problem is that the

the hard right is so much bigger in the

United States than the hard left like

the or whatever you want to call them

like just the the structural and the

material conditions that exist here in

the United States are do not like do not

set up a situation where you're going to

have a big left like you had one in the

new deal because you just came out of a

a great depression and the US was not

yet like the global Empire like riding a

stride across the whole planet like and

the the the success of the left out of

the 30s and and 40s was was their own

undoing mhm and so they they just don't

have the numbers like it's you know you

can do some tactical things here or

there but you're you're going to be

you're going to be stuck but yet despite

that you did the the great tragedy of

this genocide well not the great tragedy

like it's many layers down but one of

the tragedies of the genocide that Biden

is overseeing is that is is that it has

just stained his entire Legacy of

economic populism which as Kyle was

saying like before you know before the

speech MH he he would be defending I

would be defending you know there

there's so much that you can say about

it the the the fact that prices jumped

and are still high and rent is still a

huge problem is itself kind of a cloud

over everything else that he's done but

everything else he's done is not nothing

like low un low unemployment rate you

know lab labor mil

uh you know cash in people's pockets

like the the

economy overall in the last like three

years a result of the you know the the

kinds of things that the left has been

pushing for for years is it is headed in

the right direction but you're not going

to find anybody who's willing to like

celebrated yeah I mean how much would I

have in another timeline without Gaza

been talking about sha Fain being there

and the union wins and getting call out

and you know all all of that but it's

just like you know I it is it is an

incredible tragedy because you know

before Gaza I was out there saying

listen it's not just a lesser two evils

vote if you look just at antitrust and

you look just at Labor just at wages

like wages now are growing faster than

prices and they have been for sever

years and especially at the lower end if

you care about checking corporate power

the people he put in place in key you

know positions have done a great job and

they've been aggressive and it's been

groundbreaking it's been a real break

from the Clinton Obama Democratic party

and obviously wildly better then you

know Trump had a bunch of Union Busters

in at the nlrb and the antitrust was not

doing anything different than what was

being done before so those pieces are

undoubtedly better under Biden you know

I don't think that they've done a great

job sing it or whatever it's longterm

while you have a lot of of um pain for

people that is very present and very

real right now and on the economic front

you know I've long said that dropping

the the economic pieces to build back

better and allowing all the co social

safety net stuff to expire I mean that

was a

huge moral disaster it was a huge

political disaster and it's a big and I

think undersold part of why his economic

approval ratings are so incredible

incredibly low I just want to mention

Jeff Stein flagged some of the economic

policy that was in the State of the

Union highlighting manufacturing autoc

construction boom which is real reducing

drug cost by taking on big farm I mean

that was kind of like they did a little

bit there kind of fake but whatever 2

million new affordable homes $5,000 per

year for firsttime home buyers Universal

pre preschool pal grants cutting student

debt expanding ACA subsidies so I mean

some of those things are very neolive

but it is this kind of like populist

economic Focus Chip he talked about yeah

that would have given people something

to focus on hold on to highlight if not

overshadowed by the started in Ukraine I

mean to your point he started in Ukraine

when we were listening to him talk about

housing I was thinking to myself like

this if you had written this for the

beginning if you had like really written

this as an introductionary part of your

speech I mean I get I kind of doubt

myself on this now though Emily because

I would have said the same thing but

that message of just like January 6th

and mag is a bunch of crazy weirdos it

works work

for exactly the people don't trust the

economy they're not going to take credit

for it they haven't done enough of the

short-term stuff they don't trust them

on that they're not willing to give you

long-term you know check boxes when

you're getting screwed age is huge I

think age hangs over the economy hangs

over because it's like all right yeah

okay I do like that wages are going

faster than inflation Etc but but like I

don't trust this guy in over the next

four or five years to like deliver more

and I've talked about this before

Kennedy I mean had in terms of like the

inexurable like he had the Vigor like

that was the whole thing like that was

why

a cocktail of drugs yeah that's right

but nobody knew it okay like people

didn't know he basically had late stage

Parkinson's and would have died if he

been reelected presid look sober again

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that's right presumptive nominee as of

this week and he has been slamming Biden

for coughing the entire I mean it was

weird like yeah so like Trump the sort

of Master of the aesthetic in the TV

what

Joe coffin Joe

coffin c f f i n cofin Joe cofin Joe I

like not bad Ryan not bad I might tweet

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social I may I may try and socialize

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really recycling nicknames now come on

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last thoughts from everybody Ryan what

do you got no that's all I got all right

that's well it wasn't it wasn't a joke

it was a serious advice

insulting my uh last thought here is you

know we had that moment with the report

that came out that was talking about

elderly gentleman poor memory when there

was this moment of panic and Ezra Klein

is writing a piece in the New York Times

and Nate silver is echoing it and you're

you know getting kind of a little bit of

a DC freakout going getting conspiracy

theories about all maybe they're getting

ready to slide comml in his place or

something like that all of those

murmurings I think he did enough in this

speech that I I agree with you

unfortunately you know I mean listen

again we've talked a million times the

bar is really low but I'm sure on CNN

they are over there selling him as the

greatest oror of our time right now

jimina said all questions are answered

like he's he's if I had got a question

in it would have been answered yes Joe

uh I completely agree with you Crystal

this is it the Biden all age discourse

they have enough prediction that I'll

try and hear is that they're going to

try and do as few debates with Trump as

possible we will be lucky if we get one

and I think this is exactly why he can

have one shot can have one thing where

he can read off he can have the no cards

prepared but three is just not going to

cut it Trump smart and trying to

pressure him and highlight that but the

proof from this speech is the Super Bowl

strategy was correct don't put him on

the Super Bowl you play him once you get

you get get him pretty good 30 minutes

or so and that's it and you cut his ass

off don't let him out go out doesn't

work people aren't stupid it doesn't

work because people aren't stupid but

they're going to look it they work

before you play the mag hit you play you

play the R versus weight hits and you

you just hope and pray in November

that's your only possible strategy on

dragging you through election so that's

my that's my prediction and my kind of

closing thought on this my closing

thought is I just I think there were

some moments that were genuinely U

really I don't want to say unprecedent

because nothing is ever unprecedented in

the United States Congress but there

were moments that were unusual to anyone

who's watched State of the Union on

television which I think started with

Harry Truman that the sort of break into

Quorum which again I don't have a

problem with uh but that was Biden going

back and forth I think all of that is

going to overshadow uh the the planned

scripted rhetoric that came out of the

White House that had actually some real

just from the perspective of political

strategy some real highlights they did a

good job with some of these lines they

did a good job talking about some things

but I think because those places he went

off script he tried to interact with

Margery Taylor green he tried to you

know go back and forth chop it up with

people who were shouting the audience

and in the course of that he made some

he had some gaffs he was coughing a lot

he said something about Moscow at one

point getting drugs from Moscow I think

honestly all of that is because we live

in the viral Clips economy going to

overshadow uh their best efforts uh not

to not to have that happen and because

he decided to go off script well for my

final thought I'll tell my old man's

story to to your point back in 2010 I

was in the gallery when Joe Wilson yes

yells you lie I had just written a

profile of Joe Wilson for Politico like

a couple months earlier genius traffic

on that must and not just that when when

he yelled he's a total back bench nobody

and the whole press Corp is like who

just yelled who just yell you like I'm

like I like because then you couldn't

bring your devices in I'm like that was

Joe Wilson

that and everyone in the gallery is like

who's Joe Wilson who Joe Wilson I'm like

read my profile why your

why did I profile him uh I me he had a

whole bunch of kids serving in Iraq okay

um I don't know go go Google Joe

Wilson homework Politico I I used to do

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