The Tube Journey that's Northbound in Both Directions
Summary
TLDRA friend posed a puzzle about two tube stations where you can travel northbound between them in both directions. After contemplating various tube lines, the narrator realized it's possible between Kings Cross St Pancras and Highbury & Islington stations. The older Northern line heads southbound briefly so you can go northbound to the same station. The newer Victoria line provides a direct northbound route. The narrator explains how American terminology like 'northbound' was adopted and the history of the indirect early tube lines versus the straight Victoria line.
Takeaways
- 😀 The video describes an unusual situation where you can take the same northbound train from one station to another, and also take a northbound train back from the second station to the first.
- 🤔 The presenter first thought it might be a circle line situation enabling this paradoxical journey, but realized it was actually between King's Cross St Pancras and Highbury & Islington stations.
- 🚆 It's possible due to both the Victoria line and Northern line running between those two stations, with King's Cross being north on the Victoria line but south on the Northern line.
- 👷♂️ The early tube lines were built winding indirect routes to capture passengers, unlike the later Victoria line built as a fast direct north-south route.
- 🎢 The terms 'northbound' and 'southbound' emerged from American engineering influences on the early Underground.
- 😄 Traditionally British railways used 'up' and 'down' to indicate directions relative to London.
- 🕵️♂️ The presenter traced the historical development of the two lines involved to explain how the criss-crossing situation arose.
- ⏳ The Northern line from King's Cross to Highbury predates the Victoria line, originally reaching King's Cross in 1901.
- 🗺️ When the Victoria line opened in 1968, its northbound trains went from King's Cross to Highbury and beyond.
- 👍 The presenter hopes the unusual bidirectional tale was an enjoyable bit of tube trivia for viewers.
Q & A
What stations are involved in the puzzle described in the video?
-The puzzle involves two London Underground stations - Station A and Station B. Based on the clues in the video, Station A is King's Cross St. Pancras and Station B is Highbury & Islington.
How is it possible to travel northbound from Station A to Station B, and also northbound from Station B to Station A?
-This is possible due to the intersecting Victoria and Northern lines between King's Cross St. Pancras and Highbury & Islington. At Highbury & Islington, there is a cross-platform interchange allowing you to switch between the two lines while remaining on a northbound train.
When was the Victoria line opened?
-The Victoria line opened in 1968. It was designed to provide a more direct north-south route across central London.
How did the early London Underground lines differ from the Victoria line?
-The early Underground lines like the Metropolitan, District, and Piccadilly lines took indirect, winding routes to collect as many fare-paying passengers as possible. The Victoria line was designed to provide a faster, more direct route.
Why does the Northern line dip south between King's Cross St. Pancras and Highbury & Islington?
-This is because the Northern line between those stations was built by the City & South London Railway, which originally ran from Stockwell to King William Street. The line was extended northward to Highbury & Islington in stages, accounting for the indirect route.
Where did the terms 'northbound' and 'southbound' come from in the London Underground?
-These American terms were introduced on the early tube lines that used American money and engineering expertise, like the Bakerloo, Piccadilly, and Northern lines. They replaced the traditional 'up' and 'down' terminology.
How did the speaker determine the stations involved in the puzzle?
-The speaker studied the London Underground map and realized the Victoria and Northern lines intersect between King's Cross St. Pancras and Highbury & Islington in a way that allows traveling northbound in both directions.
What is the purpose of the puzzle described in the video?
-The puzzle seems designed to serve as a brain teaser, challenging knowledge of the Underground network by presenting a route that defies intuition about directions.
What tone does the speaker take when describing their thought process?
-The speaker takes a humorous, self-deprecating tone, joking about attempting to "burn" their friend for witchcraft and calling themselves "masochistic" for tackling such a convoluted puzzle.
How does the speaker transition into thanking their supporters at the end?
-The speaker cleverly links the "illogical line" of the puzzle to thanking supporters who provide the "logical thinking" that helps create their videos.
Outlines
😀 The Northern Line's Odd Northbound Route Between King's Cross and Euston Stations
The friend posed a brain teaser about two tube stations where you can travel northbound between them in both directions. It refers to the odd northern line route between King's Cross and Euston, where Angel station is north of King's Cross. The early tube lines had indirect routes to maximize fare collection. The more recent Victoria line was built for direct north-south travel.
😊 Thanking Supporters and Addressing the Attempted Execution Joke
The narrator thanks supporters on Kofi, Patreon and YouTube for enabling the channel. He also jokingly apologizes for attempting to execute his friend over the brain teaser question.
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Keywords
💡Tube
💡Northbound
💡Victoria Line
💡Northern Line
💡King's Cross St Pancras
💡Highbury & Islington
💡Interchange
💡History
💡Puzzle
💡Routing
Highlights
My friend posed a puzzle about traveling between two tube stations in the same direction on a northbound train.
I realized the Victoria and Northern lines between King's Cross St Pancras and Highbury & Islington allow this.
The early tube lines were often indirect, built to collect passengers rather than being direct.
The Victoria line was built in the 1960s as a fast, direct north-south route across central London.
The Victoria line approaches King's Cross from the south, then heads north, allowing the bidirectional northbound journey.
"Up" and "down" were traditional directions on British railways, referring to London.
American engineering brought terms like "northbound" and "southbound" to the early tube lines.
The Northern line between King's Cross and Highbury & Islington dips south slightly, defying geography.
My thought process went from witchcraft accusation to puzzling out the map to make sense of the riddle.
I avoided just looking up the answer online and worked it out from the tube map instead.
The bidirectional northbound journey defies logic and the laws of spacetime.
The old naming of "up" and "down" trains would be confusing on the mostly flat Underground.
The early lines collected passengers in winding indirect routes rather than going directly.
The Victoria line was designed to be fast and direct, unlike the old meandering tube routes.
American engineering and money helped build the early Tube lines like the Northern line.
Transcripts
recently A friend of mine came to me
with a question a little brain teaser
there are two tube stations he said
which we will call station a and station
B it is possible to get from station a
to station B on a Northbound train but
it is also possible to get from station
B to station a on a Northbound train
what is this journey well after
unsuccessfully attempting to burn him
for witchcraft I applied my mind to the
problem the obvious answer would be
something like the circle line but I
don't think that's what whoever set the
puzzle had in mind I wondered if it was
perhaps one of those weird situations
where there's more than one station like
at Hammersmith or Edge wear Road I cast
my eye over the tube map and that's when
it hit me what about the lines between
houon and King's cross St Pancras there
are two lines running between the two
the Victoria line and the northern line
I've often looked at the carriage
diagram and thought it was odd that as
you head north Angel comes before King's
cross St Pancras whereas I always think
of Angel as being the first of the
northern suburbs I'm sure plenty of
people will disagree with me on that
that's just how I think of it now I
could have just Googled this question no
doubt somebody's pointed it out and no
doubt it's been repeated many many times
but I like to make make things difficult
for myself I'm just masochistic like
that so the next day I tried it it was a
Saturday because when you're
self-employed things like weekends and
bank holidays become theoretical
Concepts at King's cross St panras I
took a Northbound train to
Houston at Houston there's a convenient
cross-platform interchange between the
northern and Victoria line platforms and
sure enough the line diagram for the
Victoria line showed that King's cross
St pankas was North so in complete
Defiance of the laws of SpaceTime I was
able to travel in the same direction and
end up back where I started for my next
trick I shall regenerate into Michelle
Gomez the northern line between the two
stations was built by the city in South
London Railway which originally ran from
Stockwell to King William Street near
the present day Bank it was extended in
stages reaching angel in 1901 and then
taking an odd route from there to King's
cross and Houston Houston is slightly
South relative to King's cross so the
Northbound Northern line goes south just
a little bit the early tube lines like
the narration on my videos were often
quite indirect being built to collect as
many Fair paying passengers as possible
the Victoria line is much more recent
being opened in
1968 this was designed as a response to
those early indirect Lines by the second
world war it was clear that London was
being held back by its largely Edwardian
and Victorian underground system whose
trains were slow and
overcrowded the Victoria line was
planned to cut straight across central
London providing a quick route from
north to south and to head into the
northeastern suburbs to take pressure
off the mainline Railways none of this
messing around with dipping South and
winding around all over the place
Northbound meant Northbound the line
approached Houston from Warren Street
then headed to the tube station that was
now known as King's cross St panras then
headed north to hbri and Islington the
term Northbound as well as southbound
Eastbound and Westbound was actually an
American thing the traditional way to
refer to different directions of Railway
in the early 20th century was to say up
and down with up usually referring to to
the direction of London so yes you could
be at Glasgow Central and your train to
London would still be the up train of
course this is a slightly moot point on
the Underground where most of the lines
are entirely within London the early
underground lines particularly the bako
Northern and Picadilly lines were built
using American money and a lot of
American engineering experience and
consequently a lot of American
terminology made its way onto the tube
just as well really would be confusing
to get an up train on the central line
from West ricep only to have it turn
into a down train at
Stratford so anyway that's the journey
that goes Northbound in both directions
impress your
[Music]
friends well I hope you enjoyed this
bidirectional tail from the tube if so
please do leave a like And subscribe for
more if that's your jam I would like as
to thank my donors on Kofi and patreon
and here on YouTube for your support you
are The Logical thinking to my illogical
line also thank you to David for
approaching me with this question sorry
about the attempted execution and I'll
see you all again very soon for another
tale from the
tube
for
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