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jon lawrence apilan
30 Jul 202425:20

Summary

TLDRThe presentation 'Early and Upfront: Rapid Initiation Campaign for Iron' discusses guidelines for heart failure treatment, emphasizing the importance of early recognition and rapid initiation of the 'Fantastic Four' therapies—iron, beta-blockers, MRAs, and SGLT2 inhibitors. It highlights the benefits of these treatments, including reduced hospitalizations and improved heart function, and addresses the management of patients with varying ejection fractions. The talk also covers recent trials and the significance of the unique formulation of sacubitril/valsartan in improving cardiovascular outcomes for heart failure patients.

Takeaways

  • 📚 The presentation focuses on the rapid initiation campaign for iron in heart failure treatment, emphasizing early intervention with directed medical therapy.
  • 💊 The 'Fantastic Four' of heart failure treatment includes iron, beta blockers, MRA (mineralocorticoid receptor antagonists), and SGLT2 inhibitors, which are crucial for disease management.
  • 🚑 Early and upfront initiation of these four medications is recommended for better outcomes in heart failure patients, regardless of ejection fraction levels.
  • 📉 There is no fixed order for the sequence of therapies; the priority is to start and observe the application of the medications as quickly as possible.
  • 🔍 Benefits of the combined therapy include rapid improvement in health, reduction in hospitalizations, and better quality of life for patients.
  • 📈 The 2022 AHA/ACC Heart Failure Society of America guidelines suggest starting these medications simultaneously at low doses, especially for patients with heart failure.
  • 🌟 Subcutaneous sacubitril/valsartan has shown significant benefits in reducing cardiovascular and renal events in patients with heart failure, including those with mild reduced or preserved ejection fraction.
  • 📊 Cost-effectiveness analysis indicates that rapid initiation of therapy, either pre-discharge or early post-discharge, is supported by Class 1 evidence.
  • 🔬 Recent trials, such as the PIONEER and VITALEAN trials, have demonstrated the efficacy of sacubitril/valsartan in reducing cardiovascular death and rehospitalization in heart failure patients.
  • ⚠️ Sacubitril/valsartan is not to be halved due to its unique formulation, and patients should be enrolled in a hard care program for better access and adherence.
  • 📝 The importance of early recognition and treatment of heart failure, including the management of diuretics and the initiation of MRA and SGLT2 inhibitors, even in areas with limited lab access, is highlighted.

Q & A

  • What is the main topic of the presentation?

    -The main topic of the presentation is the 'Early and Upfront, Rapid Initiation Campaign for Iron' in the context of directed medical therapy for heart failure.

  • What are the primary goals of the guideline Director Medical Therapy for heart failure?

    -The primary goals are to prevent disease progression and improve the patient's clinical status.

  • What are the 'Fantastic Four' in the context of heart failure treatment?

    -The 'Fantastic Four' refers to Iron, Beta Blockers, Mineralocorticoid Receptor Antagonists (MRA), and SGLT2 inhibitors, which are key components of heart failure treatment.

  • According to the 2022 AHA/ACC Heart Failure Society of America guidelines, how should medications for heart failure be initiated?

    -The guidelines suggest that medications should be started simultaneously at low doses, especially for patients with heart failure, or alternatively, started sequentially with the sequence guided by clinical or other factors.

  • What are the benefits of using the combination of Iron, Beta Blocker, MRA, and SGLT2 inhibitor in heart failure treatment?

    -The benefits include rapid improvement in health, reduction in heart failure hospitalizations, improvement in symptoms, and better quality of life for patients.

  • What is the recommended starting dose for Iron in the context of rapid initiation?

    -The recommended starting dose for Iron is 50 mg once or twice daily.

  • What is the significance of the term 'EF' in the context of heart failure?

    -EF stands for Ejection Fraction, which is a measure of how well the heart is pumping blood and is a key factor in determining the type and severity of heart failure.

  • What is the rationale for the 36-hour washout period when switching from an ACE inhibitor to an ARNI?

    -The 36-hour washout period is necessary to prevent angioedema, a potentially serious side effect that can occur when transitioning from an ACE inhibitor to an ARNI.

  • What does the term 'subcubital' refer to in the context of Vasartan?

    -Subcubital refers to a unique formulation of Vasartan that combines a sacubitril and valsartan in a specific 1:1 molar ratio, enhancing vasodilation and inhibiting vasoconstriction.

  • What is the significance of the term 'LVEF' in heart failure treatment?

    -LVEF stands for Left Ventricular Ejection Fraction, which is a measure of the heart's ability to pump blood from the left ventricle and is crucial in assessing heart function and treatment outcomes.

  • What is the role of diuretics in the management of heart failure according to the script?

    -Diuretics are a cornerstone in the management of heart failure, helping to reduce fluid overload and symptoms, but their use should be reassessed post-discharge to allow newer medications to work effectively.

  • How does the script address the management of patients with unknown eGFR when considering the use of SGLT2 inhibitors?

    -The script suggests that SGLT2 inhibitors can be initiated regardless of eGFR, with monitoring of renal function to ensure there is no worsening of kidney function.

  • What is the importance of early recognition and treatment in heart failure management as emphasized in the script?

    -Early recognition and treatment are key to preventing disease progression and achieving better outcomes in heart failure patients, including the use of the 'Fantastic Four' medications.

Outlines

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💊 Rapid Initiation of Heart Failure Medication

The script discusses the importance of early and upfront treatment for heart failure, focusing on the 'Fantastic Four' therapies: iron, beta blockers, MRA, and SGLT2 inhibitors. It emphasizes the 2022 AHA/HFSA guidelines that recommend starting these medications simultaneously or in rapid sequence without waiting to achieve target doses. Benefits include rapid symptom improvement, reduced hospitalizations, and improved quality of life. The script also covers the correct dosing and titration of these medications, highlighting the significance of early intervention in managing heart failure.

05:03

📊 Clinical Trials and Heart Failure Management

This paragraph delves into recent clinical trials that have shaped the approach to heart failure treatment. It mentions studies like the Pioneer Heart Failure Trial and the Vericiguat Heart Failure Trial, which have shown significant benefits in reducing hospitalizations and cardiovascular deaths. The discussion also touches on the use of sacubitril/valsartan, a novel medication that has demonstrated positive outcomes in patients with reduced, mildly reduced, and preserved ejection fractions. The importance of early recognition and treatment, including the use of EP device therapies and transplant considerations, is also highlighted.

10:06

🛑 Subcubital Vasartan's Role in Heart Failure

The script provides an in-depth look at subcubital vasartan, a unique formulation that combines sacubitril and valsartan, and its role in improving cardiovascular outcomes for heart failure patients. It discusses the benefits of this medication in reducing the risk of symptomatic hypotension and worsening renal function compared to other treatments. The paragraph also summarizes the results of the PIONEER and VIALITE-HF trials, emphasizing the significant risk reduction in cardiovascular events and the importance of early treatment initiation.

15:07

🚑 Early Recognition and Treatment in Heart Failure

This paragraph underscores the importance of early recognition and treatment in managing heart failure, focusing on the 'Fantastic Four' therapies. It discusses the stages of heart failure and the different types, including the newly recognized improved ejection fraction category. The script also addresses practical considerations in clinical practice, such as the management of diuretics and the challenges of initiating therapy when lab results are not readily available. It concludes with the message that early and upfront treatment can lead to better outcomes in heart failure patients.

20:07

💡 Managing Heart Failure Medications in Clinical Practice

The final paragraph addresses common clinical questions and considerations when managing heart failure patients. It discusses the use of diuretics, the importance of not reducing the dose of sacubitril/valsartan, and the challenges of initiating medications like MRAs and SGLT2 inhibitors when eGFR levels are unknown. The script emphasizes the need for proper patient assessment and the importance of continuing medications to prevent relapse, while also acknowledging the financial considerations and the role of healthcare programs in facilitating access to these treatments.

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Keywords

💡Heart Failure

Heart failure is a medical condition in which the heart is unable to pump enough blood to meet the body's needs. In the video, heart failure is the central theme, with discussions focusing on its treatment and management strategies. The script mentions various aspects of heart failure, including its symptoms, progression, and the importance of early diagnosis and treatment.

💡Ejection Fraction (EF)

Ejection fraction is a measure of how much blood the heart pumps out with each beat, expressed as a percentage. It is a key indicator in assessing heart failure. The script discusses different categories of heart failure based on EF: mildly reduced EF, severely reduced EF, and preserved EF. These categories help in determining the appropriate treatment strategies.

💡Directed Medical Therapy

Directed medical therapy refers to a treatment plan specifically tailored to address the needs of a patient with a particular condition. In the context of the video, this term is used to describe the approach to treating heart failure, emphasizing the importance of a personalized treatment plan that considers the patient's specific health status and needs.

💡Rapid Initiation Campaign

The rapid initiation campaign is a strategy discussed in the video that aims to quickly start and adjust medications for patients with heart failure. This approach is highlighted as beneficial for improving patient outcomes, with the script mentioning its effectiveness in reducing hospitalizations and improving heart function.

💡Fantastic Four

In the video, the 'Fantastic Four' refers to a combination of four key medications used in the treatment of heart failure: angiotensin receptor neprilysin inhibitors (ARNIs), beta blockers, mineralocorticoid receptor antagonists (MRAs), and SGLT2 inhibitors. These medications are emphasized as crucial components of a comprehensive treatment plan for heart failure.

💡Angiotensin Receptor Neprilysin Inhibitors (ARNIs)

ARNIs are a class of medications that combine the effects of angiotensin receptor blockers and neprilysin inhibitors. They are used to manage heart failure by reducing the strain on the heart and improving its function. The script discusses the benefits of ARNIs, such as rapid improvement in heart function and reduction in hospitalizations.

💡Mineralocorticoid Receptor Antagonists (MRAs)

MRAs are medications that block the effects of aldosterone, a hormone that can cause fluid retention and high blood pressure. In the context of the video, MRAs are part of the 'Fantastic Four' and are discussed as important in managing heart failure by reducing symptoms and improving patient quality of life.

💡SGLT2 Inhibitors

SGLT2 inhibitors are a class of drugs that reduce glucose levels by causing the kidneys to remove sugar from the body through urine. The script mentions their role in heart failure treatment, highlighting their benefits in reducing heart failure hospitalizations and improving patient outcomes.

💡Renal Function

Renal function refers to how well the kidneys are working. In the video, renal function is discussed in relation to heart failure, as kidney health is closely linked to heart health. The script mentions the importance of monitoring renal function when using certain medications, such as SGLT2 inhibitors.

💡Cardiovascular Outcomes

Cardiovascular outcomes are the results or consequences related to heart and blood vessel health. The video discusses the impact of various treatments on cardiovascular outcomes in patients with heart failure, emphasizing the goal of improving these outcomes through effective medical therapy.

💡Diuretics

Diuretics are medications that increase urine production, helping to reduce fluid buildup in the body. In the video, diuretics are mentioned as a cornerstone in the management of heart failure, used to alleviate symptoms like fluid retention. The script also discusses considerations in their use, such as the potential for overuse and its impact on kidney health.

Highlights

Topic of the presentation is 'Early and Upfront, Rapid Initiation Campaign for iron' in heart failure treatment.

Guidelines focus on directed medical therapy for heart failure, emphasizing rapid initiation of treatment.

Discusses treatment strategies for patients with varying levels of ejection fraction (EF).

Primary goal of treatment is to prevent disease progression and improve patient quality of life.

Introduction of the 'Fantastic Four' in heart failure treatment: iron, beta blockers, MRA, and SGLT2 inhibitors.

There is no fixed order for the sequence of therapies; prioritization and observation are key.

2022 AHA/HFSA guidelines recommend simultaneous initiation of medications at low doses for heart failure patients.

Benefits of the 'Fantastic Four' include rapid health improvement and reduced hospitalizations.

Initiation of medications can be done simultaneously or through rapid sequencing.

Example dosing for iron, beta blockers, MRA, and SGLT2 inhibitors in heart failure treatment.

Special considerations for patients transitioning from ACE inhibitors to ARNI.

Recent trials show the effectiveness of sacubitril/valsartan in acute heart failure.

Cost-effectiveness analysis supports rapid initiation of iron therapy in heart failure patients.

Subgroup analysis of heart failure patients with improved EF shows benefits of sacubitril/valsartan.

PIONEER-HF trial results indicate a significant reduction in cardiovascular death and rehospitalization with sacubitril/valsartan.

VICTORIA trial demonstrates the efficacy and safety of sacubitril/valsartan in patients with mild reduced EF.

Subcubital valsartan's unique formulation enhances vasodilation and inhibits vasoconstriction.

Early recognition and treatment of heart failure are crucial for better patient outcomes.

Management of diuretic use in heart failure treatment, emphasizing the importance of reassessing patients post-discharge.

Discussion on the management of patients with unknown eGFR when considering the use of MRA and SGLT2 inhibitors.

Transcripts

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topic for tonight is entitled early and Upfront

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Rapid Initiation Campaign for iron

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okay so the outside of the presentation are as follows

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are the giving the guideline

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directed medical therapy for heart failure

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how do we treat patients with hephra

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and how do we initiate rapidly

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how do we initiate rapidly the design mine

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so particularly

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how do we treat patients for who have more than 40% EF

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we have mildly reduced EF

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we serve EF and those with include EF

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so in the guideline Director Medical Therapy

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our primary general Sarah Stylos

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prevent disease progression

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and improve the patient child status

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so this was discussed by Doctor Richard Bruce earlier

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the most common signs and symptoms of heart failure

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so again the primary treatment

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goals is to prevent the disease progression

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so how do we do this so specially for your arrhythmias

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you will have our heart transplant now

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and then

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we decrease

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the recompensated state of our heart failure patients

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and for the improvement of patients and status

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who want to lessen the symptoms

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improve the quality of life of these patients

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so this was discussed as a fantastic four

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so of course you have your irony

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your beta blocker the MRA

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and then the accidental

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medicine for your heart failure

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as TLDP inhibital

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so in the order of sequence of therapies of this cast

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there is no fixed order

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or no preference for the sequence used

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so he prioritize administration

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and observe application of the

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those and speed matters of course

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so in the 2022 ahacc

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Heart Failure Society of America guidelines

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it was stated that we need to start this medicine

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simultaneously at no doses

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especially for your health breath patients

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alternatively

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this medications will be started sequentially

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with sequence guided by clinical or other factors

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without the need to achieve target nursing

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before initiating your medication

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so

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here are the benefits of your irony plus beta blocker

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plus MRA and then your SG and T2 in medical

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so first

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would be a rapid improvement in health

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as early as 8 weeks

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rapid reduction in your heart failure

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hospitalizations within 2 to 4 weeks

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so we would not want our patients to be visiting

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the emergency room

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rapid reduction in your mentality

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as early as 2 to 4 weeks

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rapid improvement in your LV

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ejection production within 12 weeks

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rapid reduction in your heart failure

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rehauspitalization and improve use tolerability

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adherence persistence and overcoming ineration

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so this is your comprehensive

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disease modifying medical therapy

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wherein we start simultaneously

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or rapid sequencing of your fantastic 4 medicines

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so an example is a pre one for your irony beta blocker

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MRA and s G l t t inhibitor

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we start them at a low dose or your illustration

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so say for example your iron knee

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you can start them at D1 with 50 mg once

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twice daily dosing low dose of your makeup locker

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low dose of your MRA and your s G L D2 inhibitor

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so it is stated that for

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if you want to convert creatency detour to your army

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so

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you need to wait for 36 hours as you wash out period

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so that dose of your self

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VARs or pivotal

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vasartar should be doubled after 2 to 4 weeks

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to target dose of 200 mg twice daily dose

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so uh for your beta blockers

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so you also start low low and slowly

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so you have your examples of esoperolol or vadiloyal

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no acting metoporolol succinate and your medievalol

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so on the deep 7 to 14 which is yourself

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uh first to

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to second with to continue your medications

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they treat them as tolerate them

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so here we optimize our uh medicines

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now as long as their patients

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tolerate the effects of this medicines

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so on the end of your first month to your uh

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third month

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maintain this an additional type of titration

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however for patients who want to uh lessen the death

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we consider EP device therapies

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or transplatory micro valve repair

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so

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the recent trials for hospitalised patients as emerged

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particularly your pioneer heart failure trial

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your Fireglide heart failure trial were in secumetal

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Vasal Tan was used

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so in here the undertakens in the previous inhibitor

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irony as used in your acute

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the compensating heart failure

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has shown to decrease as much as 71%

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in the outcomes of these patients

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with regards to their tolerability

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worsening renal function hyperkalimia

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symptomatic hypertension and

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and Angie edema were all compatible with the placebo

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so with regards to

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the patients hospitalized with heart failure

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those who are symptomatic and show if fluid overload

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especially

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for those patients who have reduced ejection fraction

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it has shown that there

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has 46% relative breast reduction

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so with regards to a rapid illustration

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for your eye knee

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it has shown 42% relative risk reduction

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with regards to the cardiovascular death or hospital

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readmissions due to your heart failure

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so moving on so

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the cost effectiveness analysis was examined for

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patients who are on rapid initiation of your ironing

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so the intensive in

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the intensive strategy of initiation of rapid

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up titration

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are shown to have a class 1 evidence already

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when initiated on pre discharge

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or early post discharge fails

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so what about your heart failure

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patients with improved EF

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mild reduced EF or to serve ejection production

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so for this patient

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especially for your improved ejection fraction

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so this is defined as a baseline EF of 40%

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an increase of 10 points from your baseline LVEF

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honor

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the second measurement of your LVEF to be more than

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40% already

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so with this regards

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it has shown that subcubital Vasar Tan

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reduce total heart failure

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hospitalizations in cardiovascular death

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and 25% related risk production

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in total heart failure patients

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versus your Vasar Tan alert

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so comparing your paradigm heart failure

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with a paradigm heart failure trial

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so your therapeutic benefits of yourself

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while with respect to heart failure patients on

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has shown robust evidences that may extend

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the patients to be

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the use of your subcrimetal vasar tan

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for below normal Egyptian fraction

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so moving on the pirate line heart failure trial

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so in the pirate line to heart failure trial

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this aims to show the efficacy

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safety and tolerability of subterminal Vasar Tan

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for those patients of mild

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reduced EF episode

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ejection fraction

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with patients with a recent worsening heart failure

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even

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so this was their status design

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with the primary employment of time

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average proportional change of your NP

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Pro BNP from this line from width 4 to eight

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so it has shown that there was 15% greater adoption

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with your security advisor

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done with regards to the change of your NP Pro bnb

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which is arrogate marker for your heart failure

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so a pre specified participant level

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food analysis was also used for this study

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so in the Pirate Light heart failure trial

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there's a million follow up here of top six months

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and went for a part ago on heart failure

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triangles of median follow up of almost three years

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so this showed to us of a primary code analysis

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for in your total worsening heart failure events

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and cardiovascular debt

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there was a 22% relative risk reduction

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and for your report analysis of all participants

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there was 14% relative risk reduction

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favored in your secretary field via site plan

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so in summary security

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Vasar Tan reduced cardiovascular and renal events

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compared with Vasar Tan

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among patients with heart failure

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with mild reduced or preserved ejection fracture

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so benefits appeared to up uh

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who rapidly

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with statistically

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significant reductions in cardiovascular events

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first observed within the first 2 weeks of treatment

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initiation and cardiovascular benefits

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most apart in patients with an LVEF below normal

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so this is an important uh

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sentence here that's accumulated

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bicyrtan increased risk of symptomatic hypotension

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but reduced risk of

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worsening renal function when compared with bicyrtan

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so again

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the unique formulation of a saccubutal Vasor

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done consistently improves the cardiovascular outcomes

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with R B E

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for your hospitalized patients across the spectrum

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so for your pioneer heart failure

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it has shown red

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31% reduced cardiovascular death and reignation

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for patients with reduced EF

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so that's less than 40%

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and the viral glide heart failure

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and part of one heart failure

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which consisted of your mildly reduced EF

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and preserved ejection fraction at 22%

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reduce hospitalization and cardiovascular death

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for those patients for symptomatic ambulatory patients

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the paradigm heart failure is proven

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for patients reduce ejection fraction

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will have a reduction as much as 20%

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for the reduced total heart failure

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hospitalizations and cardiovascular death

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as well as a 22% relative risk reduction

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for those patients who have more than 40% rejection

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fraction

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so why is subcubital vasartan verifications

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so this is the molecule of sectorbital

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vasartan is designed to be different

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so this is a combination of your subcubital and your

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so arresting hibitor and your neprelacene inhibitor

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so your LCC696 so the active molecule of your uh

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occubital valsar Tan

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simultaneously delivers your succubital and valsar tan

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in a specific one is to 1 molar ratio

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so you enhance your vassal relaxation

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and you inhibit your vassal construction

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so the power of subcubital vasircan is

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with its unique forulation

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so

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it has shown robust evidences for both outpatient and

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uh

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admitted patients

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so with regards to the cardiovascular outcome trials

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so the rapid initiation campaign for irony

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has shown to be very efficacious

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and has been already recommended by your aha

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ACC and Heart Failure Society of America

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so the uh in conclusions

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early recognition of the patient

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with heart failure is key to early treatment

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the rapid initiation of the Fantastic Four

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which consists of your army as United inhibitor

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MRA and beta blocker

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is key to early and maximum benefits

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in heart failure patients

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and army in the full spectrum of heart failure

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and we used

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early and upfront initiation

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leads to better heart failure outcomes

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so uh this is make ways so you recover

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so the early and upfront use of iron in heart failure

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is exception to the rule so with that

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thank you

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before shifting your or your age or your vision or any

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what's the rationale of the time

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of course aside from the overlapping effect of your

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ace inhibitor in your irony

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which may affect your lemodynamic status

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we want to prevent the

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the effect of andro edema

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now for patients who are

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initially on your ace inhibitor

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and to be shifted on your army

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so that is a seat window

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period at 36 to 48 hours to prevent anti

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edema for these patients

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thank you

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uh requests from the audience uh

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make for those so

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um Madam President

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thank you very much Doctor Zan

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so we both listen to the two speakers

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uh they emphasize

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early recognition is the key to prevent heart failure

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so we really have to encourage our patient at risk

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those who are on stage a

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who are those patients

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those are newly diagnosed diabetes

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and controlled hypertensive patient

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whether they are old or young

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um those have recent MRI

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recent stroke so as to avoid

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to have a structural abnormality in the future

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because once they develop it

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they would really develop symptoms later on

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they also emphasize that we have to remember

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the four pillars of management

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the army use

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if it's the patients are not do not tolerate the army

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we can ship it to ace inhibitor or Arbs

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the importance of a better blocker

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the mineral corticoid antagonist and the SCL2 inhibitor

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we um

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they also emphasize uh

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Doctor Richie emphasize that there is a new type of um

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heart failure uh

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we we knew only the preserve EF

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reduce EF the mid range EF

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but now there is an improved EF they want

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these are the patients who have

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at first 40% less of ejection fraction

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and then after treatment

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has an improvement of 10% from the baseline

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the message

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is to continue the medications to avoid relapse

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Redell

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it's a magic four

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by the magic number for tonight is four

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so there are four pillars

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the treatment of hearts filler

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there are four stages there are

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those are two ways

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stage B is a pretty heart failure

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stage C is those who are symptomatic

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and stage d is the advanced heart failure

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another four is the four types of heart failure

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so for our residence for the younger colleagues

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so please take note of those things

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and of course

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the recent trials mentioned by the third time

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so it's very helpful actually in our practice

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hi okay

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so there's a question Doctor Radelle about um

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diuretic use

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so let me ask you Doctor Radelle in your practice

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um how do you manage your patient

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uh we know that the diuretic is a cornerstone um

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in the management of heart failure

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how do you manage with the use of the diuretic

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because they give

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they have given the emphasis on their lecture

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as much as possible of course India

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it's it depends on the clinical picture of the patient

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if the patient is about to be discharged

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well you have been really assessed the patient

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so sometimes I still feel for oral diabetics uh

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post discharge

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but I have to reassess the patient at least 5 days

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for maximum plan for 1 week

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for me to know if I'm going to take out the diuretic

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already because of us

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what Doctor Richards mention

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uh we do not give uh

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whom they read it as maintain and stuff

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we we have to give way to the newer uh

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medications for them to work

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so we really uh it's a case to case basic statues

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and we really have the assessment patient here

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because sometimes we over diabetes our patient

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which is also what is harmful to the kidneys

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I think we

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are

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I have a um doctor that I have a question

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there's a question in the check box

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they uh

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they would like to ask the how do you um manage do

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are we allowed to lessen the dose of the interest tone

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because you mentioned that ideally

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that should be 50 milligram twice a day now

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so is there an incense that most of that time

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patient become hypotensive

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so so what can you say about this

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so in the landmark trial of interests of occupital

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balcytan so we're only allowed

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actually it was not mentioned

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if we're allowed to lessen or decrease the dose

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no so

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as low as the patient has not presented symptomatic

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hypertension and so

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you can still use the full dose of your 50 mg

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twice a day

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those things

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now with regards to the common questions

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and since seccupital website

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and interest is relatively expensive now

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so a common question is

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are we allowed to uh half the the tablet

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no so actually no

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no because as I have discussed no

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so uh the subcubitrial and then the uh

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pulsite time is integrated as one molecule

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so once you uh half if no

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so

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you might disintegrate the full effect of the medicine

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so anyway I think know why this

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Philippines has a hard care program

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no where in they give back uh

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so the number of tablets now to the patients

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once enrolled to this program

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so that makes it easier for the patients also

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and the family

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anyway so the question was

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these medications are elite effective

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other options for patients who are illegal

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guy for in there

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actually

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so it's a manner of delivering it to the patient now so

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if you tell them the landmark trials

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and the possible benefits of these medicines so

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we have to remember that this 4 medicines already

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the mainstream

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or the four pillars of your heart failure

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it's the aim to have our

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okay then okay let me keep the question

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may I ask regarding the use of MRA

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in SGLT2 inhibitors among patient with unknown EGFR

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uh

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financial consult where labs are not easily accessible

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can we still initiate this class of labs

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or wait for it

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for labs to be done prior to its initiation

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okay so definitely need this line laboratories now

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so we need to establish the uh

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kidney function of the patient

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the urinal function of the patient

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so that includes your BRP as well as your electrolytes

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if you are considering to use also your MRI

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so emerging studies for the s G

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L T 2 inhibitor a show that irregardless of the EGFR

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so you may still use or initiate your s G

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L t to inhibitor then just monitor their

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renal function

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so to see if there is work

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but

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recent studies of your SGLB to inhibitor has

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established that there is a beneficial impact

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on the worsenic kidney function of the patients

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