Developmental Psychology - Dying and Bereavement - CH 16

R. J. Birmingham
6 Jul 202051:05

Summary

TLDRThis script delves into the multifaceted aspects of death and dying, highlighting cultural perspectives and the clinical definitions of death. It explores the differences between clinical death and whole brain death, the role of bioethics, and the evolving concept of euthanasia. The script also discusses the stages of grief as outlined by Elisabeth Kubler-Ross and the unique challenges of grief in various life stages. It touches on the importance of advance healthcare directives and the grieving process, emphasizing the individuality of each person's experience with loss.

Takeaways

  • 🌟 Cultural perspectives on death and mourning vary widely, with different practices like New Orleans Jazz Funerals, Ghanaian coffins, and Catholic funeral services reflecting these differences.
  • 🏴 Clinical death is characterized by the absence of heartbeat and respiration, which can sometimes be reversed, unlike whole brain death where the brain has irreversibly ceased functioning.
  • 🧠 A glucose metabolism study can distinguish between clinical death, whole brain death, and a persistent vegetative state by measuring brain activity levels.
  • 📜 Bioethics has emerged to address ethical questions in end-of-life care, including decisions around ventilator use and living conditions, stemming from cases like Karen Ann Quinlan's.
  • 调 Euthanasia is divided into active and passive forms, with active euthanasia involving a deliberate action to end life due to terminal illness, while passive euthanasia involves forgoing treatment.
  • 💊 Physician-assisted suicide is a regulated process requiring multiple requests, mental competency, and the ability for the patient to self-administer the medication.
  • 🌐 In some countries, there are dedicated programs and facilities for end-of-life care, providing a more structured approach to euthanasia compared to the United States.
  • 👵 Grief and mourning are distinct; grief is the emotional response, mourning is the cultural expression of that grief, and bereavement is the state of loss.
  • 👶 Children's understanding of death is limited by their developmental stage, with pre-operational children struggling with the concept of death as permanent and magical.
  • 🧓 As people age, their perception of death changes, with younger adults often feeling a sense of unfairness when others die young, while older adults may view death as a natural part of life.
  • 👴 The death of a parent, particularly for adult children, can lead to a significant loss of support and guidance, with the impact varying based on the child's age and the parent's role in their life.
  • 📝 Legal documents like living wills, durable power of attorney for health care, and DNR orders are crucial for communicating end-of-life preferences and ensuring they are respected.

Q & A

  • How do cultural perspectives on death and dying vary globally?

    -Cultural perspectives on death and dying can vary significantly. Some cultures may view death as a celebration of the beginning of another life, like the Egyptians, while others may focus on the grief associated with the passing of a person. The script mentions examples such as the New Orleans Jazz Festival, customized coffins in Ghana representing one's life, and a traditional Catholic funeral service, illustrating the diversity in cultural practices surrounding death.

  • What is the clinical definition of death?

    -Clinical death is defined as a lack of heartbeat and respiration. It is a reversible state, meaning that people can be brought back from clinical death, which is often referred to as 'coming back from the dead' in common language.

  • How is whole brain death different from clinical death?

    -Whole brain death is characterized by an irreversible loss of brain function, where there are no more EEG wave patterns, indicating that the brain has died. This is different from clinical death, which is a temporary state of no heartbeat and no respiration but can be reversed.

  • What is the role of bioethics in end-of-life decisions?

    -Bioethics involves ethical questions and decisions about life, including the quality of life and the conditions under which people are kept alive. It plays a significant role in discussions about keeping people on ventilators, living conditions, and individual rights to make decisions about their lives, as seen in the case of Karen Ann Quinlan.

  • What are the two types of euthanasia recognized in the United States?

    -The two types of euthanasia are active and passive. Active euthanasia involves deliberately ending one's life due to a terminal illness, while passive euthanasia is the desire to not pursue further treatment, such as stopping dialysis or chemotherapy.

  • How does physician-assisted suicide work in states where it is legal?

    -Physician-assisted suicide requires a terminal illness diagnosis by more than one person to prevent mistakes. The patient must make oral and written requests separated by at least 15 days and be declared mentally competent. The patient must also self-administer the dose under the guidance of a healthcare professional.

  • What are the stages of grief as described by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross?

    -The stages of grief, according to Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, are denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. It's important to note that not everyone goes through all these stages or in this exact order, but these are the most commonly observed emotional reactions.

  • How does the concept of a 'final scenario' influence how people plan for their end-of-life?

    -A 'final scenario' is a concept where individuals envision how they would like their end-of-life to be, including their funeral and any specific wishes they have. This plan helps provide closure for both the dying person and their family and is often respected to encourage future generations to honor similar wishes.

  • What is the importance of a living will and durable power of attorney for healthcare?

    -A living will is a formal document that outlines an individual's preferences for life-sustaining treatments. A durable power of attorney for healthcare designates a person to make healthcare decisions on the individual's behalf if they are unable to do so. These legal instruments are crucial for ensuring that an individual's end-of-life wishes are respected and followed.

  • How does grief manifest differently across various age groups?

    -Grief manifestations vary by age group. Preschoolers may not understand the finality of death and grieve in short bursts. Adolescents may experience a heightened awareness of mortality after the death of a peer. Young adults may feel cheated out of life when they lose a partner. The death of a child, regardless of the parent's age, often results in a profound and lasting grief. The loss of a parent can lead to a significant shift in an individual's support system.

  • What is the significance of discussing grief and mourning in the context of different cultures and age groups?

    -Discussing grief and mourning across cultures and age groups helps to highlight the diversity of human experiences and the importance of understanding these differences in end-of-life care, mental health support, and social interactions. It also underscores the need for sensitive and informed approaches to supporting individuals and families through the grieving process.

Outlines

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🌏 Cultural Perspectives on Death and Dying

This paragraph discusses the cultural diversity in perceiving and handling death. It highlights three distinct cultural practices related to death: the New Orleans Jazz Funeral, the custom-made coffins in Ghana reflecting one's life, and the traditional Catholic funeral service. The paragraph emphasizes that death is viewed differently across cultures, sometimes as a celebration of a new life or a commemoration of the one lived. It also introduces clinical aspects of death, such as clinical death (lack of heartbeat and respiration), which can be reversible, and whole brain death, which is irreversible. The use of glucose metabolism studies through PET scans to differentiate between these states is explained, illustrating the brain activity in normal, whole brain dead, and persistent vegetative states.

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🛡 Ethical Considerations and Euthanasia

The second paragraph delves into the ethical questions surrounding end-of-life decisions, particularly euthanasia. It distinguishes between active euthanasia, where life is deliberately ended, and passive euthanasia, where further treatment is withheld or discontinued. The paragraph also covers physician-assisted suicide, which is legal in some U.S. states and requires stringent conditions, including multiple medical confirmations of terminal illness and mental competency. The discussion highlights the importance of individual autonomy in making these decisions and the cultural differences in the acceptance and practice of euthanasia and assisted suicide worldwide.

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🕊 Acceptance of Death and Grief Processes

This paragraph explores the emotional journey individuals go through as they approach death, focusing on the stages of grief proposed by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross. It explains that people often experience denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and eventually acceptance when faced with their own mortality or the loss of a loved one. The paragraph also discusses the concept of 'final scenarios,' personal preferences for how one's death and aftermath should be managed, influenced by cultural norms and individual beliefs. The importance of emotional support during this process is emphasized, as is the recognition that not everyone experiences these stages in the same order or duration.

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👶 Grief and Developmental Stages

The fourth paragraph examines how grief is experienced and processed at different stages of human development. It explains that children's understanding of death is limited by their cognitive abilities, with preschoolers often viewing death as temporary or magical. The paragraph discusses how children grieve in short bursts due to their pre-operational cognitive stage, in contrast to adults' more continuous grieving process. It also touches on the concept of regression, where individuals may revert to earlier stages of grief when reaching milestones that remind them of the deceased, highlighting the complexity of the grieving process across the lifespan.

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🏥 End-of-Life Decisions and Documentation

This paragraph discusses the importance of having clear end-of-life preferences documented through living wills and durable power of attorney for healthcare. It explains the Karen Ann Quinlan case, which set a precedent for the right to discontinue life-sustaining treatments. The paragraph emphasizes the need for these legal documents to ensure that individuals' wishes regarding life-prolonging measures are respected. It also covers the importance of having a durable power of attorney to make healthcare decisions on behalf of someone who is incapacitated, including making financial decisions for their care.

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🚑 Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) Orders and Their Implications

The sixth paragraph focuses on the Do Not Resuscitate (DNR) orders, explaining their purpose and the importance of having them readily available and recognized by medical professionals. It discusses the variability in state regulations regarding DNRs and the potential consequences of not having a DNR visibly accessible during a medical emergency. The paragraph also touches on the cultural aspects of mourning and bereavement, noting that expressions of grief can differ significantly across cultures and communities.

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🌹 Grief, Mourning, and Bereavement: Cultural and Personal Expressions

This paragraph explores the concepts of grief, mourning, and bereavement, distinguishing between the emotional experience of grief and the cultural expressions of mourning. It discusses how mourning rituals can serve as a communal acknowledgment of loss and provides examples of public mourning practices, such as leaving flowers at memorial sites. The paragraph also emphasizes the importance of recognizing and respecting the diverse ways in which individuals and cultures express and process grief.

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👧 Grief in Childhood and Adolescent Development

The eighth paragraph delves into the experience of grief in children and adolescents, noting that grief is not limited to death but can also occur when a loved one is dying. It discusses the impact of developmental stages on the grieving process, with younger children potentially regressing and older adolescents experiencing heightened fear of death. The paragraph highlights the importance of support groups and grief counseling in schools to help young people navigate the complex emotions associated with loss.

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🧓 Grief and Loss Across Adulthood and Late Adulthood

The ninth paragraph examines the experience of grief and loss in adulthood and late adulthood, discussing the unique challenges and emotional responses associated with different stages of life. It touches on the intense grief associated with the death of one's own child and the complex emotions involved in the loss of a parent, particularly for men who may rely more heavily on their mothers for emotional support. The paragraph also addresses the unique grief experienced by individuals dealing with Alzheimer's disease in a loved one, where the person may feel they have already grieved the loss of their parent's identity before their physical death.

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🏡 Coping with Grief and the Importance of Support in Late Adulthood

The final paragraph discusses the coping mechanisms developed in late adulthood, where individuals have typically experienced multiple losses and have a greater acceptance of death as a natural part of life. It highlights the unique challenge of grandparents hiding their grief for a deceased grandchild to protect their own grieving child. The paragraph concludes the course by encouraging students to reflect on the material covered and to seek support and resources to cope with the complex emotions related to grief and loss.

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Keywords

💡Death

Death is the cessation of all biological functions that sustain a living organism. In the video, it is the central theme, with discussions ranging from cultural perspectives to clinical aspects. It is explored through various contexts such as the traditional New Orleans Jazz Funeral, Ghanaian coffins, and Catholic funeral services, highlighting the diversity in how societies cope with and celebrate death.

💡Bereavement

Bereavement refers to the state of having lost someone through death and the grieving process that follows. The video discusses bereavement as a culturally diverse experience, emphasizing the different ways societies express grief and mourn the deceased, which is a significant aspect of coping with loss.

💡Clinical Death

Clinical death is defined as the absence of heartbeat and respiration. In the video, it is distinguished from other types of death, such as brain death. Clinical death is often reversible, and the term is used to illustrate the medical concept of when a person might be brought back to life through medical intervention.

💡Whole Brain Death

Whole brain death is a state where the brain has irreversibly ceased to function, including the brainstem. The video explains that this type of death is different from clinical death because it involves the irreversible loss of brain function, as demonstrated by the lack of EEG wave patterns in glucose metabolism studies.

💡Bioethics

Bioethics is the study of ethical issues arising in the fields of medicine and biology. The video touches on bioethics in the context of making decisions regarding end-of-life care, such as the use of ventilators and the ethical considerations surrounding the Karen Ann Quinlan case, which set a precedent for the right to refuse life-sustaining treatment.

💡Euthanasia

Euthanasia is the practice of intentionally ending a life to relieve pain and suffering. The video differentiates between active euthanasia, where a person's life is deliberately ended, and passive euthanasia, where life-prolonging treatment is withheld or withdrawn. It is discussed in the context of legal and ethical considerations, with references to physician-assisted suicide in states like Oregon and Washington.

💡Grief

Grief is the emotional response to loss, particularly to the loss of someone through death. The video explores the grief process, including the stages of grief as described by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, and how individuals may experience denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and eventually acceptance.

💡Living Will

A living will is a legal document that outlines a person's wishes regarding life-prolonging medical treatments. In the video, it is mentioned as a crucial tool for individuals to express their preferences for end-of-life care, ensuring that their choices are respected when they are unable to communicate them.

💡Durable Power of Attorney for Healthcare

This is a legal designation that allows a person to appoint another individual to make healthcare decisions on their behalf if they become incapacitated. The video highlights the importance of this document, especially in emergency situations or when the person is unable to communicate their wishes.

💡Do Not Resuscitate (DNR)

A DNR order is a medical directive instructing emergency medical personnel not to perform cardiopulmonary resuscitation if the person stops breathing or their heart stops. The video emphasizes the importance of having a DNR order recognized and respected by medical professionals, and the need to have it readily available and properly documented.

💡Grief Counseling

Grief counseling is the process of guiding and supporting individuals who are grieving the loss of a loved one. The video mentions grief counseling in the context of school settings, emphasizing its importance in helping young people process the emotions and complexities associated with death, especially when the loss is sudden or unexpected.

Highlights

Cultural perspectives on death vary widely, affecting how we perceive and handle dying and bereavement.

Different cultures celebrate or mourn death in unique ways, such as the New Orleans Jazz Festival, Ghanaian custom coffins, and traditional Catholic funerals.

Clinical death refers to the absence of heartbeat and respiration, which can sometimes be reversed.

Whole brain death signifies an irreversible loss of brain function, confirmed by the lack of EKG wave patterns.

Glucose metabolism studies differentiate between clinical death, whole brain death, and persistent vegetative state through brain activity levels.

Bioethics has emerged in the last 20 years to address ethical questions and decisions about life, death, and end-of-life care.

The case of Karen Ann Quinlan marked the beginning of bioethics studies, focusing on individual rights to make decisions about one's life.

Euthanasia is divided into active and passive forms, with active euthanasia being more legally questionable in the United States.

Physician-assisted suicide is legal in some U.S. states and requires multiple medical confirmations and patient requests.

Cultural differences in end-of-life care are evident, with some countries offering dedicated programs and locations for a dignified passing.

Death anxiety is a common fear that can motivate behaviors, with men generally having a higher fear of death than women.

Elizabeth Kubler-Ross's work on the stages of grief introduced a framework for understanding emotional reactions to dying.

Grief processing can vary by age, with children experiencing fits and spurts of grief differently than adults.

The concept of a 'final scenario' reflects an individual's wishes for how they want their death and aftermath to be managed.

Hospice care can be provided in various settings and is considered one of the most rewarding careers for those comfortable with death.

Legal documents like living wills, durable power of attorney for health care, and DNR orders are crucial for managing end-of-life care.

Grief and mourning are distinct, with grief being the emotion and mourning the cultural expression of that emotion.

The grief process involves five themes that affect how individuals cope and change throughout their lives.

Transcripts

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we end our course with dying which of

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course is the end of life

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when we talk about dying and death one

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thing we have to understand is that we

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look at it culturally very different

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basically in some cases we use death as

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an analogy for something or something

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that's good or bad but we do find that

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death and bereavement and all those

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aspects tend to be very different from

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culture to culture as you see in the

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pictures down here we have three very

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different ways we celebrate perhaps or

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we show about death so the first one is

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sort of a traditional New Orleans Jazz

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Festival the second one you may not have

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heard about it's kind of fun to look up

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in gana the people have customized

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coffins made that represent a lot of who

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they are throughout their lifetime so in

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this case it was a fisherman who had

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that coffin made and then the last one

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is a pretty traditional Catholic funeral

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service in a church cultures really do

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view death very differently in some

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cases it's a celebration of the

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beginning of another life you want to

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think about the Egyptians in some cases

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it's a celebration of a life that's been

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in some cases it is about grief meant

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about the passing of a person

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but let's look at the more clinical

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aspects of death and you do need to

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understand what each one of these is for

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clinical death were basically talking

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about a lack of heartbeat and

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respiration so that's what you see here

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in this picture this person no longer

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has a heartbeat no longer has a

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respiration they would be considered

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clinically dead now we bring people back

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from clinical death all the time this is

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when we say people came back from the

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dead it's normally from clinical death

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whereas whole brain death is very

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different it's a reversible loss of

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function basically the brain has died we

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don't see anymore

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EKG wave patterns and in our next one

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we'll look at the difference between a

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whole brain death and some of the other

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ones

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I love this image because what it shows

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us is the glucose metabolism study and

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people quite often ask me you know so we

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got persistent vegetative state we've

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got whole brain death we've got clinical

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death what are they different well as we

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already said with clinical death it's

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just simply the heartbeat and the lungs

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have stopped breathing but we can get

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them back from that when we start

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talking about whole brain death or we're

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talking about persistent vegetative

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state how do we know this it all has to

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do with the amount of activity that we

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see within the brain so when you look at

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these three images that we have here

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this first image right here I mean use a

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different color that didn't show up very

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well use yellow this first image right

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here is showing a normal brain now how

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they do this is that they use glucose

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basically this PET scan which is quite

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commonly used in psychology or in the

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study of the brain is what we do is we

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have somebody take a pill that has a

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slight radiation in it

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we know it's what the brain eats is

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glucose so an active brain like this

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first one we would see a lot of lighting

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up because the brain is active and it's

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consuming energy whereas in this second

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image we definitely see whole brain

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death because we see no more activity

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inside the skull it's a very common

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image when we know that there is whole

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brain death whereas with a persistent

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vegetative state you can see there is

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some activity but the activity is very

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minor basically what we're going to see

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is is that we only have enough activity

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to keep the body alive and that's how we

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know that you're in a persistent

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vegetative state so if you ever want to

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question you know how do we know my aunt

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or uncle is in a vegetative state they

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can do a PET scan and they can look at

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the actual brain activity of the person

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bioethics is something that has become

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more popular you might say in the last

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20 years as we began to have more

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ethical questions and decisions about

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our life and what constitutes a good

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life and a bad life bioethics is what's

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really kind of occur now bioethics also

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is something that we look at when we

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talk about keeping people on ventilators

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or keeping people in certain living

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conditions bioethics is basically an

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offshoot of some Court decisions that

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were made there was a young lady named

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Karen Ann Quinlan

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and Karen Ann Quinlan unfortunately took

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a combination of medications that she

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was given and then went and had a drink

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with some friends and went into a

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persistent vegetative state her parents

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fought to have her taken off the

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respirators and we'll talk a little bit

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more about her later on but she's the

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first one who basically got the right to

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do that and that's sort of where

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bioethics begins as far as a study is

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concerned because we do feel that people

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have a right and an individual freedom

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here in the United States to make

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certain decisions about their lives

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which brings us to euthanasia now we do

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distinguish euthanasia in the United

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States and the two types active and

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passive now activists deliberately

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ending one's life now one thing we must

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understand is that in order for it to be

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euthanasia it must be the ending of

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one's life because they have a terminal

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illness and they're not going to come

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back from that

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so not all suicides would be euthanasia

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if I'm perfectly fine body but I am

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depressed and decided to kill myself

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that is suicide however if I have a

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degenerative disease and I'm at the end

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of that generative disease or I have

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cancer let's say bone cancer which is

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extremely painful and I decide that

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toward the end that I am suffering and

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decide that I want to eliminate living

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anymore then that would be active

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euthanasia because I am ending my life

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based on taking something on I've made

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this clear statement but I also have no

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way of coming back this is a like I'm

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gonna be able to get back from bone

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cancer where passive euthanasia is

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basically my desire not to get to new

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treatment quite often older people who

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may have kidney disease decide that they

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are going to stop dialysis basically

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without dialysis they're going to die

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but they say you know what I'm 89 I'm

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really tired

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I don't want to get this blood done

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anymore I'm going to die soon anyway

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and I want my last you know a few months

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to be pleasant without having to go for

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dialysis every day so in that case they

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give up available treatment a cancer

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patient who decides not to continue with

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chemotherapy because they realize at

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this point they're not going to get

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better

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that would be passive euthanasia now

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path of euthanasia is legal pretty much

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everywhere around the United States

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active euthanasia that one is a little

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bit more questionable on if you are

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allowed to do that or not now a lot of

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people will go ahead and do active

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euthanasia anyway basically they'll save

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up medicine

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they'll do other things that will help

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them pass away but it isn't legal in all

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the states

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which brings us to position assisted

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suicide

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now Oregon and Washington were sort of

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the first two states and I believe

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there's some more states since then that

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have done this now what we talked about

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with physician assisted suicide is that

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you had to have a terminal illness and

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basically it has to be by more than one

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person who has determined this so it's

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sort of like one person doesn't make a

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mistake and tell you you're terminally

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ill and you know then you go to another

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person who says oh no it's not really

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that we can do something for you so it's

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not so easy to actually get into a

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physicist suicide situation so what we

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do know is that generally it requires

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that you have to oral requests and there

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has to be separate by 15 or more days

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you have to make a written request and

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you also have to be declared mentally

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competent which means that I can't go in

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and say hey grandma is really bad and I

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think that you know we should assist her

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in suicide though not gonna work the

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person has to request it themselves

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now some people can request it early on

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so that as they get worse and they

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become to the point where they can't

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perhaps make an oral request the request

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is already there so again people with

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bone cancer may get to the point where

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they can't even parley speak but you

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also have to give the person the right

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to self administer the dose basically

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somebody else can mix up the dose for

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you but you have to have enough strength

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to administer to yourself and there's

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all kinds of devices that are used for

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that there's a question bill about that

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too as far as are we making people

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perhaps euthanize themselves earlier

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because they're afraid that they won't

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be strong enough later on but this is

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not a class to debate those type of

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things more states in Oregon and

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Washington have allowed these types of

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situations also do understand because

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Florida is a very international area

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with our tourism that assistance

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physician assisted suicide which is we

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call it is not uncommon in the world in

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fact we tend to in the United States

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view it much less as an option than

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other places

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many countries have very dedicated

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programs like we have a hospice program

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they have programs assisted for this

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type of situation where they have

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doctors and nurses who are all set up

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they have whole care systems for this

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some people can in some countries they

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even have locations where let's say that

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I've decided that I've always wanted to

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see the ocean or the sunset over the

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ocean when I died and they literally

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have homes

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where a person could go and and have

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this they almost always have doctors or

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a physician or a nurse or someone who's

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on staff there so that when the dose is

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administered they can make sure that it

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goes correctly generally funeral

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arrangements have already been made so

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the funeral directors already there and

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the family does little to nothing except

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for be there for the person who is dying

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and for each other there's people

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already around to take care of all the

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other aspects of that so in the United

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States is a little bit different don't

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be surprised if you're dealing in a

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hospital setting where people are asking

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for those types of services if it looks

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like that person is going to be close to

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death it is just simply culturally a

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different way to view death

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now what is interesting is that through

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our lives we're going to look at death

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differently so when we go from formal

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operation and remember according to PJ

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this is when we have abstract to our

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post formal operation this is when we

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are in our young adult we tend to get

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more emotional about death in our formal

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operation it's a little bit more

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abstract we've got the concept of it I

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mean concrete operational death is death

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and they can sometimes be what we might

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feel very cold but it's not that as much

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as it's much more black-and-white Dead

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is dead

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the dog is dead that's it and in the

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formal operation they suddenly go dog is

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dead do they go to heaven do they get

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all these wonderful things you know what

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happens to them and post off or post

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formal operational more are these

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thoughts of our even our own death may

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begin to occur

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now as we get older and we call these

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death trajectories different things can

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help us sort of begin to deal with one's

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own death and begin to think about one's

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own death now what's interesting is is

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that there's sort of two ways of looking

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at this diseases such as cancer which

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have terminal phases and we know that

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death is coming to us quite often help

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us as patients or as the the person

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who's dying actually prepare for death

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it helps the family prepare for death a

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survey taken not too long ago looked at

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which ward at a hospital is the least

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stressful ward to work on and oncology

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actually turns out to be one of the

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least stressful for nurses primarily

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because it is an instant death people

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though it's coming sometimes you get to

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know the patients you get to know the

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families and as you work through the

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process there's sort of an acceptance of

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this process and acceptance of the death

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coming whereas other ones in which the

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death could occur at any time heart

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attack

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tend to be much more stressful for

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people because when Johnny left he was

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perfectly fine and now johnny is dead we

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didn't have any time to prepare for this

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the families are much harder to accept

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and deal with this because they didn't

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have that time to adjust

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it can also be much harder on the

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nursing staff because these patients are

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often asking questions like why did it

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happen could we have done something else

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but whereas with the cancer the the

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longer-term deaths we've had that time

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to sort of work our way emotionally

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through those aspects

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one of the sort of leaders you might

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want to say in looking at death is

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Elizabeth kubler-ross

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now what's interesting is it depends on

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sort of what you read about kubler-ross

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and how old it is on how people view it

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I think our book talks about her stages

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of dying what is interesting is that as

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she moved on further it wasn't so much

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about the stagings of dying and you'll

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see in the next slide it's really more

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about the stages of grief that she talks

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about the interesting thing that is that

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up until she came along nobody really

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looked at dying people now what she did

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she did these interviews with terminal

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patients sometimes they didn't know they

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were terminal but what she did find is

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that there were five distinct emotional

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reactions quite often these are taught

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as if everybody has to go through each

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one of these in exact order the truth

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this is that you that she did not

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believe that she did not believe that

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everybody went through all of these they

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didn't go exactly in this order what she

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did produce is what she thought was the

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most common order and what I say for the

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students who are gonna go into nursing

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learn the order and learn it in a

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kumbaya way there was something that you

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do need to know for your exams and

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nursing but in principle it doesn't mean

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that it has to happen in the order that

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we're going to talk about

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so the coop lacrosse grief cycle which

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is what it's really much more considered

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these days is that we will start with

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sort of a denial and what we're talking

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about is sort of an informational

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communication aspect of the grief

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process right here and that's what we're

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seeing down here is that in this section

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right here what the person who is dying

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or his family members first maybe no

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this is not right this can't be true I

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don't believe it

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now what we do want is for people to get

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a second opinion we never want someone

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to not get a second opinion

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but the same point they've got to get

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out of denial because if they keep

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denying then they're not going to be

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able to work through so this process and

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the second one that she tended to find

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happen as we're going down in sort of

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this grief cycle is anger we get

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frustrated we get anxious we we're just

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pissed off then we get down to sort of

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this area right here we call bargaining

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and we really need is more emotional

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support and the bargaining is trying to

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find meaning and tell one story and make

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connections

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quite often bargaining may also be where

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you see people saying if I can live just

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to do this or if I can just reach this

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so I just want to get to my son's

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graduation or I just want to see my

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daughter get married I mean how many

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times have you heard about somebody who

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dies right after a right before some

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major event in the family's life and

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that's sort of the bargaining phase it's

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they're helping themselves get there but

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they need a lot of emotional support

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that emotional support really does

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continue through sort of the depression

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stage now depression is the one that

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probably shows up most often in

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different locations quite often after we

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make the bargain we can get a little

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depressed overwhelming this hostility

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which is why sometimes we really see

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that bargaining will kind of fall over

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here also but depression is not uncommon

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now what kubler-ross found was that

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people who were able to get to

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acceptance basically we explore our

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options were

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ready to move on not that we're ready to

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die but we've kind of accepted that

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we're going to die then what we're

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really finding is people who are not

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satisfied with life but they're having

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an easier time transitioning and so is

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the family so I always like to tell the

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story of my friend who died of breast

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cancer unfortunately she had it twice

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and the first time around she battled it

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fought it you have to go five years to

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be considered to be cancer-free four and

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a half years in it comes back and it

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came back

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roaring Lee it didn't just a little bit

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so we think it may have been sort of

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inching back a little bit throughout

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those four years but not caught it had

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gotten up into the brain so this time

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around even though she was fighting a

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very heart of battle it did come down to

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the fact that she was not going to make

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it this time the cancer was going to be

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overwhelming but yet her birthday was

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coming up and so she had accepted that

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this time she wasn't going to make it

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through this that you know she wanted to

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have the quality of life she could have

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with her children and she really did

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want to try to make it to her son's high

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school graduation but as her birthday

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came up it was kind of a question of

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what do you do she's dying she's not

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gonna be here for a second birthday do

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we celebrate it do we not and so we

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talked to her we said you know what

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would you like to do for your birthday

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pretty much you get anything you want

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this year and she came up with I thought

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a really interesting thing and we'll

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talk about final scenarios she said she

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wanted to have a celebration she wanted

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it to be a huge celebration and the

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theme was junk food

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she said it don't matter what I eat at

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this point and so we had every kind of

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junk food you could think we had an ice

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cream bar we had chip bar we had candy

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bar we had cakes we had pies I mean if

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you named a junk food it was there and

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we invited everybody and their brother

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what you were to bring though was a

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photo of you and her if you had one and

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a story about that photo and if you

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didn't have a photo of you and her you

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were to bring just a written little

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story about something she and you had

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done together and when they arrived that

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there were all these I'm gonna say

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cardboards but they're things like you

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have four science projects and you were

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to post them on one of those boards and

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those boards went to her children so

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that after she died her children would

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have all these wonderful stories about

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her that she wasn't going to be able to

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tell and we put him sort of in an age

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group in her teens or 20s and and this

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on now this turned out to be one of the

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most fun things that I can remember

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doing because she had accepted it and so

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people coming in she knew this was gonna

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be the last time she was gonna see many

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of them and for many of them it was

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gonna be the last time they saw her but

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it was a very friendly atmosphere and

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lots of people were seeing people they

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hadn't seen in a long time

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and people didn't stay for you know

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terribly long time it's maybe a half an

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hour but they were required to eat

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something junky even the most fit person

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had to eat something junky and we

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laughed we cried it was a wonderful time

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but she had come to acceptance and

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that's what kubler-ross said if you can

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get somebody to that point if we can

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help with their emotional support and

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that guidance then we get to acceptance

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and sort of we know this is going to

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happen but it doesn't happen out of fear

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doesn't happen out of anger it happens

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sort of with acceptance and in this plan

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to move on so everybody got some closure

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that day people who had only worked with

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her a little bit got an opportunity to

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come by people who hadn't seen her in 10

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years got to come by and that is what

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she's talking about that if we can get

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people to acceptance that this grief

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that in only the dying person has but

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also their family and allows that

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opportunity of you want the best word I

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can say is closure

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which also then brings us to sort of

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death anxiety most people do have this

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fear of death anxiety and Freud and many

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psychoanalyst said that really this

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death anxiety is what tends to motivate

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us to keep us going because we have this

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fear it's a primary motivator of all of

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our behaviors to try to keep us from

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dying now when we're younger yes people

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take much more risks and we've talked

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about younger people have a less of a

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version because they think of themselves

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as having lots of time and of course the

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older we get then the less time we think

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we have it is interesting that men have

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more fear but women have more fear of

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the way they die

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as somebody is dying as I talked about a

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little bit with kubler-ross what we know

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is that people will begin to make

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decisions about the formal management of

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what they want knowing with their body

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but religious services and things like

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this people in their head have sort of

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this final scenario what what's

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everybody gonna do once I'm done and the

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older we get the more likely people will

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want to talk about that it can be

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uncomfortable for others but as I always

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tell people my mother has has threatened

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me she said when she dies she is to be

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buried next to her father and not her

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mother and if I put her next year mother

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she's going to come back and haunt me so

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you know people they have a way in their

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head of what they see they want people

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to do and that's sort of this final

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scenario so you know most of us kind of

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see something now it does change there

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in our lives quite often what we see

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when were younger may be different then

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as we get older but we do tend to try to

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do what the person asks so one of the

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questions this is why is that that we

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try to accommodate this person who is

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now dead with their final scenario and

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what research found is that the reason

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that we go out of our way to do these

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things so somebody wants to have their

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ashes in Alaska and we find some way to

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get there it's because in a way what we

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want is for the next generation to do

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what we want so if they can see that

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we're doing what the generation before

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or wanted if I take care of my parents

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the way my parents have asked me to take

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care of them then my children will take

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care of me the way I've asked them and

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so it becomes sort of this unwritten

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script that you know we have this

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responsibility to adhere to the person's

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last wishes if we want our own last

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wishes to be taken care of

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we do have to talk about and foremost if

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you already know what hospices Hospice

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can be done in your own home hospice can

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be done at a nursing home hospice can be

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done in a hospice location I've talked

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to many hospice nurses over the years

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and they do say it's one of the most

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rewarding careers that they've had as

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long as you have the ability to deal

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with death because let's face it these

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people are going to die but that you

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quite often become acquainted with the

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family there's lots of good feelings of

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the help that you're giving to these

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families so it is an area of Nursing for

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many of you you might want to look into

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and for those of you who are going to go

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into health service administration it

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may be an area that you want to look

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into as far as working as long as you're

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comfortable with the concepts of death

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the other thing that your book goes into

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and I think this is important that we

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understand are how we make our

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intentions known for end-of-life now a

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living will is basically a statement of

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how you are willing to be kept alive so

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I talked a little bit earlier about

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Karen Ann Quinlan now Karen Ann Quinlan

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as I said was a young woman she was in

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college actually she it was very very

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nervous she had gone to her doctor and

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said I'm having a lot of anxiety and a

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lot of nerves I've moved away from home

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and he which was rather calm at the time

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gave her a prescription for

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tranquilizers and so that night she was

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going to a party and she was very

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anxious so she took the tranquilizers as

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she was supposed to she went to the

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party she had some drinks didn't get

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overly drunk had a few drinks but as we

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now know tranquilizers and alcohol do

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not go together

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and unfortunately she went into a

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vegetative state now her parents fought

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a great deal because she basically had

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no brain activity but she was being kept

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alive by machines and tubes and they

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kept saying this is not what Karen would

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want Karen wouldn't want to live like

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this Karen wouldn't want to live like

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this but yet they weren't allowed to

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turn off the machines because at that

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time that was considered to kill

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somebody and doctors had no permission

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to do that so they are the ones who went

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to court who fought for the right to be

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able to take the machines off of their

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daughter with the Contin with the caveat

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that if she breath could breathe on her

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own then of course she would continue to

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breathe but if she didn't breathe then

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she would be passing away the way that

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nature had designed so from that moment

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on we basically had the concept of

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living wills now living wills are formal

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you need to get them done formally I

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would always make sure that you have

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them at all the hospitals and they're

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always asked about them the other one

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that people don't know a lot about is

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this durable power for health care now

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it's a power of attorney for health care

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in that there's a power of attorney and

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then there's a power of attorney for

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health care they are very different for

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the power of turn of health care you're

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only talking about health care decisions

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whereas a regular power of attorney it's

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all decisions so make sure

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that if you go to do one of these that

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you get the one for health care my

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ex-husband was a paramedic and I always

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talk about this because of the many

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times he's had to deal with this anybody

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who's got kids there's a good chance

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that you do not have this durable power

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of healthcare of attorney for your

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children and you probably don't think

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much about it because you think well if

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something happens to me my husband or

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wife will go ahead and take care of the

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kids if there's an accident of some sort

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but as he points as he would point out

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to me quite often in a car accident

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everybody was in the same car mom dad

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kids and the parents died or one parent

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dies in the car accident the other one

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is completely incapacitated and there's

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nobody available to make decisions for

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the children because the two adults that

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are directly related to those kids are

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incapacitated this can delay services to

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the children if you do have kids you

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really might want to think about getting

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with these durable powers of attorney

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for health care with somebody who is not

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normally with you all the time

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after 911 this was also became an issue

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because a lot of people were not

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available

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so 911 happened and people had to go

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pick up kids and other things like this

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and it becomes a little bit of a mess we

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don't think about the fact that we may

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not always be available for our children

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you can make these very specific this is

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just sort of a general one right here

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you can even have how long before it

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kicks in and you can even say exactly

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what they can and can't decide you can

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have in there when it would actually no

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longer be valid so in my case when my

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child was younger I had one that said

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that if you could not reach me within 20

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minutes that the durable power of

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healthcare would kick in and that what

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you did reach me that the durable power

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of healthcare no longer was valid so

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that way if anything had happened to me

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or I'm at school and you're unable to

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reach me my child isn't waiting for

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someone to be able to make it this

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healthcare decision now they

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the good thing about this especially if

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you have older parents and you can get

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durable power of attorney for health

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care is that if something does happen to

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the older parent you can begin to make

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some healthcare decision for them but

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you can also pay their healthcare bills

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which becomes an issue when they don't

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pay their bills so it would allow you to

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be able to go to the bank you have your

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durable power of healthcare attorney and

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you could show a bill and you could get

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enough money perhaps from their accounts

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to pay for those bills or that

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medication but you can be their advocate

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especially if they're not thinking quite

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straight because of certain medications

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that are kicked in at the time but it is

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something you should look up I do

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believe I have a link to one in our

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school here talk to you don't have to

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have a lawyer to fill one of these out

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if you want to talk to a paralegal that

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might be good too but really considered

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to do that now most people know do not

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resuscitate is a DNR

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the only thing I do recommend again this

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is from having a paramedic as a husband

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is that you have to understand that each

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state has slightly different rules for

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how DNR is work but understand that

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what's a paramedic arrives at your door

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if they start resuscitation they cannot

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stop the only one who can then stop

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would be the hospital so if you have a

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DNR you need to make sure that those DNR

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s are available and can be shown to the

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paramedic or to whoever arrives at the

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scene again it varies state by state

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some states a photocopy would work some

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states a photocopy does not work it has

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to be the original one that has

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basically arrays sealed so if you get a

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DNR you can get more than one copy at

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that time with a raised seal so you

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might want to get four or five they're

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usually not much more money there you

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said five bucks each you want to make

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sure they're at their hospital not only

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at your home but one of the things that

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I thought was interesting is that he

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always said you should have one in your

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car and you should label in your car

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where it is so people at DNR's would

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have put DNR in glove box and they would

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look for the DNR and if it was in there

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they would not start the wrist

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resuscitation but if they didn't see a

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DNR even though the person was yelling

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this person has a DNR if they did not

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see it they would start the recitation

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and he said he couldn't tell me how many

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times people were yelling at them

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because they weren't supposed to do it

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but they didn't have any paperwork

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that's they shouldn't do it so he had to

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start so think about that you want to

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keep them at the locations that you are

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most likely to be at if you have a DNR

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or you know somebody who has a DNR

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as far as grieving and mourning and

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bereavement are concerned these three

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words really do talk about different

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states sober even is the state that

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we're in grief is the actual emotion and

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mourning is basically the way that we

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show grief

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now what's mourning what is interesting

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is is that within a culture we tend to

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show grief in the same way so I have

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these three images down here and the

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first one is after the Dayton Ohio

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shooting and you'll notice that there

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are lots of flowers and things left by

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the door we see colby bryant and after

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he died people left flowers and things

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and then the other one is princess diana

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and while it's england england is a lot

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culturally like us and this is an image

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after Princess Diana's death so this is

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sort of a way we show mourning it's a

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way we show our grief quite often for or

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unusual or people is through this

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process now this is going to be

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different for different countries and

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different locations again one thing I

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was like to point out is that we are a

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rather international area here in

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Florida so when we have someone who dies

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who may not be from this country

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understand they may show mourning in a

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different week a different way than we

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show mourning

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however grief will be pretty much the

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same around the world and as you saw

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grief

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generally within six months is where it

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is the peak but don't forget it can last

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a lifetime

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so let's talk a little bit more about

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the grief process and how we cope one of

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the things that can be really hard is to

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acknowledge the loss and reality and one

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reason they say the grief is peaks at

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six months is that that's about when we

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sort of finally process that everything

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is done all the loose ends have been

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tied up it generally takes us a year for

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most of us to get through our first

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grief process the reason we say years we

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got to get through that first

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Thanksgiving that first Christmas that

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first birthday that first holiday two

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years sometimes also is common but one

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to two years for most people is where

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our deepest grief and after that grief

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may linger off or grief may only happen

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on specific days so if you had a mother

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who died you may feel grief every time

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you reach her birthday but on a

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day-to-day basis after a while that

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grief isn't there

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so with grief what we do know is that

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there's sort of five themes of of grief

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you know how do we deal with people how

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it affects us how it changes our lives

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the narrative I think this one's always

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interesting this survivors stories about

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the decrease the decrease the deceased

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so quite often when you have your weeks

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afterwards hearing those stories that

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people talk about and the kind of

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relationship that was there and the

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survivors tied to them these are the

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five sort of themes of grief as we move

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through that process so those of you are

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going to go into psychology you'll study

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a lot more about this in your death and

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dying course for those of you are in the

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mental and the physical health fields

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the clinical health fields understand

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that these are sort of the five things

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that you're going to see as you talk to

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the family members who are left over

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after somebody dies or is about to die

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don't forget grief isn't just after

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death because kubler-ross noticed that

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people begin to go through the grieving

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process even as their loved one is

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beginning to die

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then we're going to look at and your

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book sort of then tackles the grief

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process or with each generation now this

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week I have asked you to go back and

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listen to a podcast that specifically

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does childhood I really really encourage

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you to listen to it you might need a

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tissue but it really tackles the issue

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of grief and childhood because they do

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go out to the sharing place which is a

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grief support group for children and to

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actually hear children talk about it now

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one of the things that people tend to

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think is that preschoolers don't

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understand death and we do know that

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they understand death but they may think

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of death as being temporary sometimes

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you hear them say well they think death

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is magical and we don't really mean

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magical what they may not understand

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because remember we're talking about

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preschoolers these are pre-operational

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people the complexities of death so if

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we've talked about going to heaven

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heaven seems magical it's like this

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magical place we see TV shows where

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things have gotten hurt and comes right

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back they may not understand the

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finality of death is what it is also as

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we know that children who are grieving

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they tend to grieve in fits and spurts

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meaning is is that you know when you

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have a five-year-old that most that they

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may be able to grieve about that death

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is five or six minutes and then they go

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playing for five or six minutes and then

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they grieve again for a little while

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they don't grieve like adults do which

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is constantly and all the way through so

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she said pre-operational they'll tend to

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be thinking everyone's sort of thinking

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the same thing and they ask you don't

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understand sometimes why when they say

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hey let's go play and you say no I can't

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them too sad they don't understand why

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you're sad because they're not sad at

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the moment and then a few minutes later

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they come out and they're very very sad

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and maybe you're cooking dinner and

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they're like why can you be cooking

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dinner you should be sad because they're

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sad now so it's a little bit harder

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sometimes for adults for these for us to

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go with our kids as far as your pattern

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is concerned because it's more of a fit

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and stop

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or where the adults it's gonna be more

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steady the other thing is is that

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there's a shift between the children are

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in pre-operational versus the concrete

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operational thoughts may the concrete

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operational thoughts are much more

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black-and-white no dead is dead and

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they'll equate the death of their cat

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and the death of their father almost in

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the same way the older we get generally

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the better we are at coping things

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meaning is that we have a we have a

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sense of control over ourselves in the

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first place and so we have a better

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sense of what we may need to do to work

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through our grief where younger children

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may need more time to learn to work

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through their grief also as you will

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learn children will regress so if my mom

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let's say died when I'm young then as I

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hit these milestones in my life I quite

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often may regroup because I would think

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when my mother loved me doing this I

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would be so great if my mom was here for

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this I would really want to tell my mom

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how I had done that

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so this rege reeving process quite often

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happens and people don't always

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understand why when the mother may have

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died when they were 6 or 7 and now

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they're 26 and they're regrouping

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they're like basically I haven't gotten

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over it and it's not that as much as

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they grieve the fact that that person

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isn't there to experience these things

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with them so that grief will come back

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and remember we said everybody grieves

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differently

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so if we get into adolescents what we do

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find and remember adolescence is between

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12 and 20 years old that most have

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already experienced some death either

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family member or a friend quite often a

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grandparent by now has died this first

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experience of death can be severe if

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they it's unexpected if we know a

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grandparent is sick we've gotten time to

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kind of come to it

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but if it's a sudden death then that may

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be much harder for them especially if

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they are that younger adolescent so

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let's say that 10 to 14 year age and

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they lose a parent there what's

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interesting is is not only do they sort

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of cling to their parent but they're

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friends now have experienced that death

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up until then I may not have thought

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about the fact that my parent could die

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and now my best friend's parent has died

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and I may feel grief for not just my

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best friend's parent who I know but I

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suddenly become very aware of the death

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of my own parents and may become a

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little bit more clingy or a little bit

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more where are you going you can't do

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that that's dangerous because I hadn't

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really thought about the death of their

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own parent until this occurs so it is

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very interesting on seeing how people of

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the younger adolescent age handle this

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it's also one of the reasons why they

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have grief counselors at schools after

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the death of somebody in the school

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because the grief that somebody may be

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feeling may not be about the death of

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the person who died at school but may

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actually be about the fact that they

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finally understand what death really is

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because remember until we have abstract

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thought a lot of this is very iffy and

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even the concrete people may name they

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may not be quite emotionally there and

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so it's a little bit harder for them to

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process but if they do process it then

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they may have develop a lot of fear all

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of a sudden about other people dying

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because I hadn't really thought about it

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before

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in adulthood we do know that we have a

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slight difference in viewing it as a

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young adult versus an older adult as a

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younger adult we quite often think that

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especially if the person who dies is a

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younger adult they've been cheated out

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of life they had so much more to do we

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quite often don't feel that way about

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grandparents who've had a good and long

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life because we have accepted for most

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of us that death is part of life but we

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feel like you shouldn't die until you've

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had this nice long life so as we see

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younger people die or we see somebody

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maybe even their 30s die we can feel

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that that person's been cheated but

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losing a partner when you're younger is

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actually a little bit more difficult

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than losing your partner when you're

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older it is sort of quite often

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unexpected grief but also it can take a

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much longer time for that person to get

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over that grief or basically I don't say

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get over but move beyond that grief

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within their lives so you may see

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somebody who's 40 who loses a husband or

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a wife and you know within a year or two

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they're out dating again and doing

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things where she's somebody who's 28 or

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30 one who loses a partner they may not

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be ready to date again for five or six

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years because they're still dealing with

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the grief of that connection with that

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person

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with the death of one's own child

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meaning is that you're an adult but your

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child has died it's pretty simple this

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grief may never go away this grief and

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mourning is so intense that we know it

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quite often lasts a lifetime what we

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have to also understand is that this

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grief process not only holds for a child

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that we have lost who is alive but it

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can also hold for miscarriages it can

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also hold for still births it could even

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happen when you have been given the

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wrong gender for a child so let's say

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you went in you had a sonogram and you

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were told that you're gonna have a boy

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in your head what's happened is is

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you've gone home and you have a whole

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life planned out for this boy you know

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here's Jack and when Jack is born we're

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gonna have all this stuff and he's gonna

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play t-ball and then we're gonna do this

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Jack and we're gonna do that with Jack I

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didn't go back a month later and they do

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an x-ray and they go oh I guess that was

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a pinkie not a penis and Jack is really

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a girl

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and so now jack has become Emily and

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people don't always understand that

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there's a mourning for Jack see Jack was

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real in their head

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Jack was somebody who they were going to

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have a life with and it's not that they

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don't love Emily and it's not that they

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don't want a girl it's just that they've

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lost Jack and so there may be that

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period of time where they're sad about

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that and they're not sad about having a

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girl they're sad because they've lost

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Jack in fact many people say that once

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they have in their heads sort of had the

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scenario of who Jack is all that that if

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their second child is a boy

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they can't name him jack because Jack is

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gone Jack died in a way this also

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happens to parents who are going to

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adopt a child by the way they have this

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whole adoption all set up they've got

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this whole thing in their head exactly

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how it's gonna be they maybe even set up

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a nursery room and then the adoption

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falls through or the parent

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the biological parent decides to keep

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the child they will also go through a

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mourning period of a loss of a child you

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can talk to them 10 years later even if

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they've adopted another child they will

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still talk about the child that they

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lost because that was their child in

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their head they had this child they were

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raising this child and they want to know

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what happened to that child so there's

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still a loss just like somebody who may

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have biologically had a child who died

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in an utrom

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the death of one's own parent can lead

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to different types of emotional stress

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for ourselves it doesn't matter how old

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you are when your parent dies what's

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been lost is sort of this support and

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guidance system that you think of I've

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heard six-year-olds who've lost both of

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their parents maybe one a little earlier

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one a little bit later and when the

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second parent dies they'll look at me

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and say I'm an orphan now and you don't

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think of six-year-olds being orphans but

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they are because they no longer have any

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parents alive and there is quite often

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the struggle of what do I do now who do

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I turn to you know where am I going to

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go because no matter how old you are

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your parents have always been older and

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had more experiences and things

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six-year-olds who have 80 year old and

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85 year old parents will still talk to

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them and say hey you know what would you

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think Baba and that person isn't there

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anymore so that loss is very significant

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that second parent loss it is

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interesting that some social scientists

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have found that men who lose their

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mothers is the hardest loss of all the

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different combinations we can think of

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with parents and that's primarily

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because men have depended quite often on

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their mothers as being the emotional

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support in their life they're the place

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who I could go and talk about feeling

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bad about something or feeling anxious

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you might want to say I may not want to

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tell my dad this I mean I want to tell

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my friends this because that might make

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me look a little less strong than I am

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but my mom I could always tell and so

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when the mother dies they've lost

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perhaps their one emotional support that

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they had where they felt comfortable to

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be able to express their feelings in a

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very non-judgmental place it doesn't

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mean that that daughter's don't feel the

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death of their mothers as much it's just

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kind of interesting in that it may be

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actually a little bit harder for the

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sons to to come over that grief this

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last thing when it talks about

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Alzheimer's what social psychologists

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have also found is that as parents or as

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a parent goes further into the

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Alzheimer's

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we as the the children of those people

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quite often begin to see that or view

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them as not being there anymore they've

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that isn't my mother anymore that isn't

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my father anymore because the person

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unfortunately does have such great

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dementia but then when they die they

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actually die

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we kind of grieve again because we've

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already grieved the fact that we've lost

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who we think of as our parent and now

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the parent is actually dead so it is an

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area of social psychology that is

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studied quite a lot and it does really

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vary from person to person how we view

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the death of one's own parent also the

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age we are as far as the death of one's

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parent also makes a huge difference for

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those who are studying psychology you'll

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have a whole course called death and

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dying where you'll study the more

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interactions and dealing with these sort

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of issues with your clients

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that brings us then to late adulthood

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notice I didn't say seniors late

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adulthood we're basically talking about

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people who now are pretty well

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established they tend have less death

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anxiety primarily because they've

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experienced death of friends at this

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point or family members it's very rare

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for someone to get to be an older adult

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and not have had some sort of experience

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with death within their community

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whether it is a family member

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fellow co-worker even people in the

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community coping skills quite often have

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been developed at this point and the

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coping skills are how to deal with the

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feelings I may have have been developed

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so we have this ability to accept it not

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only that but as we get older we begin

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to accept that death is part of the

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landscape of life there is birth and

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death and everything in between you

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might want to say so it is sort of more

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that acceptance that death happens not

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so much my death as much as death within

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life happens

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the death of one's own child or

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grandchild in late hood though is

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handled a little bit differently the

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biggest problem that you might want to

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say that we have to deal with those of

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you who are going to psychology

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especially and those who are going into

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the medical field is that when there's a

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death of a grandchild the grandparent

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quite often hides their grief why

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because their primary focus is on their

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childhood their child is still alive

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their child is grieving the death of

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their to grandchild and so they don't

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want to bring any more stress to their

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own child so if they don't have a safe

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haven to be able to express this grief

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if they don't have some place where they

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can express them and bring this grief

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out it quite often can affect them

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negatively as far as a physiological

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concern is there so if you happen to

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have a neighbor who you hear their

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grandchild has died perhaps you can

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spend a few minutes with them so they

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have someone to talk to about this

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because they've hidden it quite often

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from their own family especially from

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their own child

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well that brings us to the end of this

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course so if you have an issue listen to

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this hopefully you will go on to the

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last week of class there are student

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evaluations generally for you to take

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please take those and then you can

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celebrate and reflect because you're

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just about ready to take exam for the

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last exam of the class I hope you've

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enjoyed these and if you need me there's

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my email address as usual

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