Christian Woman Wakes Up To The Reality Of Christianity | Hashim | Speakers Corner

Summary

This conversation delves into theological discussions comparing Christian and Islamic beliefs, focusing on the nature of Jesus, the Trinity, and the concept of worship. The dialogue highlights the contradictions in Christian theology, especially regarding the divinity of Jesus and the idea of the Trinity, questioning the logic of worshiping Jesus as God when he himself worshiped God. It contrasts this with Islamic views, where Jesus is seen as a prophet and servant of God, and emphasizes that true monotheism excludes human worship. The discussion critiques the Church’s teachings, suggesting they deviate from the original message of Jesus and the prophets.

Takeaways

• 😀 Jesus is accused of blasphemy in the Bible, with some questioning how he could be divine if he worships God.
• 😀 The concept of the Trinity is questioned, with concerns about the logic of co-equality and co-eternity between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
• 😀 Jesus’ repeated acts of worship and prayer to God the Father imply that he did not view himself as God, but rather as a servant of God.
• 😀 The conversation highlights the contradiction of believing in Jesus' divinity while he also worships God and refers to the Father as his God.
• 😀 A key issue is whether Jesus ever explicitly claimed to be God, with the script pointing out that such a claim is missing in the Bible.
• 😀 The Trinity doctrine is criticized as a later invention by the church, not a teaching found directly in the Bible.
• 😀 The script questions the necessity of Jesus' death for the forgiveness of sins, arguing that God could forgive sins directly without needing a sacrifice.
• 😀 Jesus' own words in the Bible are used to support the argument that he never claimed divinity, often referring to God as his Father and his God.
• 😀 The script presents the Islamic view of Jesus as a prophet and servant of God, who performed miracles but did not claim to be divine.
• 😀 The conversation concludes by reinforcing the belief that God is unique and cannot worship anyone else, challenging the idea that Jesus, as God, would worship anyone.

Q & A

Why does the speaker argue that the belief in the Trinity is illogical?

The speaker suggests that the belief in the Trinity is illogical because it contradicts the idea of one God. If God is one, then the idea of 'co-equal' persons within the Trinity seems contradictory. The speaker points out that if Jesus is co-eternal and co-equal with the Father, then he would also need to be God, which creates a logical problem, especially if Jesus himself had a God.

What does the speaker say about the claim that Jesus is eternal?

The speaker challenges the idea that Jesus is eternal by asking how anyone other than God could exist from eternity. They argue that if Jesus were truly eternal, he would have to be God, which contradicts Christian doctrine that portrays Jesus as a servant of God.

How does the speaker use John 17:3 to argue against the divinity of Jesus?

The speaker refers to John 17:3, where Jesus himself says that 'the only true God is the Father,' to argue that Jesus does not claim to be God. This, the speaker argues, supports the idea that Jesus viewed the Father as the only true God, thereby refuting the concept of the Trinity.

What is the significance of Jesus' statement about the last hour (Mark 13:32)?

The speaker highlights Jesus' statement about the last hour, where he says that 'no one knows the hour, not even the Son, but only the Father.' This statement, according to the speaker, further distinguishes Jesus from God, as a truly omniscient being (God) would know all things, including the last hour.

What does the speaker suggest about the words Jesus spoke on the cross ('My God, my God, why have you forsaken me')?

The speaker argues that Jesus' words on the cross demonstrate his separation from God and imply that Jesus, being a true servant of God, did not view himself as God. This, the speaker suggests, is inconsistent with the belief that Jesus is divine.

Why does the speaker believe the concept of the Trinity did not exist in the early church?

The speaker contends that the doctrine of the Trinity did not emerge until the 4th century, based on church teachings rather than the Bible itself. They argue that no biblical passage explicitly supports the belief in a Triune God, making it a later invention of the church.

How does the speaker view the idea of praying to Jesus in Christianity?

The speaker argues that praying to Jesus is a form of worship and challenges Christians by asking why they worship Jesus, who is a human, rather than focusing on God alone. They suggest that worshipping anyone other than God, especially a human like Jesus, goes against the natural belief in one God.

What does the speaker say about the role of Jesus as a mediator?

The speaker acknowledges that Christians view Jesus as a mediator and savior, but they question why Jesus, being human, would need to be worshipped when he himself worshipped God. The speaker suggests that Jesus' role as a mediator does not necessitate his divinity.

How does the speaker explain the apparent contradiction in Christian beliefs about Jesus' divinity?

The speaker argues that Christians are conflicted between what their church teaches about the divinity of Jesus and the actual teachings of the Bible. They point out that Jesus never claimed to be God and often referred to God as his own Father, indicating his submission to God rather than equality with him.

What is the speaker's view on the Islamic perspective of Jesus?

The speaker aligns with the Islamic perspective, which views Jesus as a righteous servant and a prophet, not as God. They emphasize that Muslims believe in Jesus' miraculous birth and his ability to perform miracles, but they reject the idea of Jesus' death and resurrection, which is central to Christian theology.