Drei Argumente gegen das Gendern | deep und deutlich
Summary
TLDRThe video script discusses the challenges and potential failure of implementing gender-neutral language, or 'Gendern', in the German language. It highlights that the concept is tied to simple grammatical rules, which can become complex when applied to cases like the genitive singular and accusative plural. The speaker argues that the adoption of gender-neutral language may be a luxury, considering the difficulties faced by those learning German as a second language, as well as individuals with dyslexia or reading difficulties. They suggest that about 10% of the population in Germany struggles with language acquisition, and these individuals might fall behind with the introduction of gender-neutral terms. The speaker proposes a radical solution of redefining words to be gender-neutral, drawing parallels with how the meaning of words like 'gay' has evolved over time. They also touch upon the historical gendering of job titles and suggest that these could be simplified to be gender-neutral. The speaker acknowledges that public opinion is divided, with 60-70% of people surveyed being against or indifferent to the concept of gender-neutral language. They attribute this to the perception that there are more pressing issues to address, such as healthcare and financial concerns, which can lead to frustration when gender-neutral language is prioritized in public discourse.
Takeaways
- 📚 The script discusses the challenges of implementing gender-neutral language in German, which is tied to complex grammatical rules.
- 📉 The use of gender-neutral language could potentially be a barrier for people with a migration background learning German, as it adds another layer of complexity to the language.
- 👥 Approximately ten percent of the German population struggles with language learning due to dyslexia and related issues, which gender-neutral language could exacerbate.
- 🤔 The speaker suggests that a comprehensive spelling reform might be needed to accommodate gender-neutral language, which is currently very complicated to implement.
- 🌟 A personal plea is made for redefining the connotations of words to be more inclusive, similar to how the word 'gay' evolved in meaning in English.
- 🏷 The grammatical gender of nouns like 'the table' or 'the vase' does not correspond to real-life gender, and the same logic could apply to job titles.
- 🔄 Historically, female job titles were often derived from male titles (e.g., Müller to Müllerin), and the speaker questions why these cannot simply be unified to be gender-neutral.
- 📊 Surveys indicate that 60-70% of people might not be in favor of or are against gender-neutral language, which the speaker perceives as a resistance to change.
- 💭 There is a belief that many people view gender-neutral language as unnecessary, as they are preoccupied with more pressing issues in their lives.
- 🏠 For individuals struggling with basic needs like paying rent and heating costs or accessing healthcare, the focus on gender-neutral language may seem trivial and frustrating.
- 📺 The speaker encourages the audience to watch other guests' talks on the topic, available in the ARD Mediathek.
Q & A
Why does the speaker believe that the concept of 'Gender' might fail?
-The speaker suggests that 'Gender' might fail because it is simply attached to basic grammatical rules, which can be complex and difficult for people with language backgrounds different from German, as well as for those with reading and writing difficulties like dyslexia.
What example does the speaker use to illustrate the complexity of gender in the German language?
-The speaker uses the example of the genitive singular and accusative plural, such as 'das Buch des Schülers' (the book of the student), and how it becomes 'Das Buch des/der Schülers*in' to include a female student, which adds complexity.
What is the speaker's view on the necessity of 'Gender' in the German language?
-The speaker believes that 'Gender' might be a luxury that society can afford only if it doesn't exclude or complicate the language learning process for people with migration backgrounds, dyslexia, or other language learning difficulties.
What does the speaker suggest as an alternative to the current gender system in the German language?
-The speaker proposes a renotation of words, similar to how the word 'gay' in English evolved from meaning 'happy' to representing the LGBTQ+ community, and suggests that job titles could also be renotated to be gender-neutral.
Why does the speaker think that the current gender system might be emotionally charged for some people?
-The speaker believes that the emotional charge comes from the perception that while there are pressing issues like healthcare and living costs, the focus on gender might seem unnecessary and thus provoke anger or frustration among those facing more immediate concerns.
What is the speaker's opinion on the general public's stance towards the gender system in the German language?
-The speaker feels that a significant portion of the public, around 60-70 percent, is not in favor of or is against the gender system, viewing it as an unnecessary complication.
What does the speaker imply about the priorities of people facing severe problems?
-The speaker implies that people facing severe problems, such as paying for heating and rent or accessing healthcare, might prioritize these issues over language reform, leading to a perception that gender concerns are less important.
How does the speaker relate the historical context of job titles to the current gender system?
-The speaker points out that female job titles often emerged from a dependency on male titles (e.g., Müller for a male miller and Müllerin for his wife), suggesting that these titles should be renotated to be gender-neutral, like simply 'Müller' for both male and female.
What is the speaker's view on the importance of considering the broader perspective when discussing language reform?
-The speaker emphasizes the importance of considering the broader perspective, acknowledging that current surveys indicate a majority of people are against language reform, possibly due to other pressing concerns in their lives.
Why does the speaker mention the need for a comprehensive spelling reform?
-The speaker mentions the need for a comprehensive spelling reform to simplify the language and make it more accessible, but acknowledges that implementing such a reform, especially with the current gender system, would be very complicated.
What is the speaker's suggestion for future language inclusivity?
-The speaker suggests that future language inclusivity could be achieved by renotating words to be gender-neutral, thus making the language more accessible and less complex for everyone, regardless of their background or difficulties with language learning.
How does the speaker address the emotional aspect of the debate on gender in the German language?
-The speaker acknowledges the emotional aspect of the debate by recognizing that people's priorities and feelings are influenced by their personal struggles and the societal issues they face, which might make the focus on gender seem less relevant to some.
Outlines
🤔 Challenges of Implementing Gender in the German Language
The paragraph discusses the difficulties of integrating gender into the German language, which is primarily based on grammatical rules. It mentions how gender is applied to nouns and pronouns, such as using 'des/der Schülers*in' to denote both male and female students. The speaker argues that gender may be an unnecessary complication for people learning German as a second language, as well as for those with dyslexia or reading difficulties. According to surveys, around 10% of people in Germany struggle with language acquisition, and the added complexity of gender can hinder their progress. The speaker suggests that gender should be optional and proposes the idea of redefining words to be more inclusive and gender-neutral.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Gender in language
💡Genitive case
💡Accusative case
💡Language learning
💡Reading and writing difficulties
💡Language reform
💡Connotation
💡Occupational titles
💡Public opinion
💡Prioritization of issues
💡Media representation
Highlights
The discussion centers around the potential failure of gender-neutral language ('Gendern') in the German language, which is seen as overly reliant on simple grammatical rules.
The example 'das Buch des Schülers' (the book of the student) is used to illustrate the complexity of applying gender-neutral language.
The speaker suggests that gender-neutral language could be a luxury, as it adds an extra layer of difficulty for those learning German as a second language.
Approximately ten percent of people in Germany struggle with language learning due to dyslexia and other reading difficulties, which gender-neutral language could exacerbate.
The speaker proposes a complete spelling reform to address the complexity of implementing gender-neutral language.
A personal plea is made to re-connote words, similar to how the word 'gay' evolved in meaning in English, to be more inclusive and less grammatically gendered.
The idea is floated that job titles could be de-gendered, as they often have no relation to an individual's sex in real life.
Historically, female job titles were derived from male titles, indicating a dependency that the speaker argues should be re-evaluated.
The speaker believes that the term 'Müller' (miller) could be used for both genders, moving away from gendered titles.
Current polls suggest that 60-70 percent of people are not in favor of or are against gender-neutral language.
Many people view the push for gender-neutral language as unnecessary, believing there are more pressing issues to address.
The emotional response to gender-neutral language is tied to the perception that it is being prioritized over more immediate concerns like healthcare and living costs.
The speaker empathizes with those who are struggling with more basic needs and may feel frustrated by the focus on language reform.
The discussion highlights a disconnect between the perceived urgency of language reform and the daily struggles faced by many individuals.
The speaker calls for a broader perspective that acknowledges the various challenges people face, not just those related to language.
The conversation is part of a larger series of talks available in the ARD Mediathek for viewers to explore further.
Transcripts
- Warum wird es [das Gendern] scheitern?
- Also das ist einfach aufgehangen an ganz einfachen grammatischen Regeln,
also zum Beispiel wenn wir den Genitiv
Singular angucken und den Akkusativ Plural also zum Beispiel 'das Buch des Schülers',
was machen wir dann? 'Das Buch des/der Schülers*in' und solche Sachen.
Und dann der Punkt, ich würde mittlerweile sogar fast so weit gehen zu sagen,
dass man sich Gendern leisten können muss,
weil es eben Menschen gibt mit Migrationshintergrund, die die
deutsche Sprache lernen, die sowieso schon sehr schwer ist,
wo das einfach noch mal ein erschwerendes Element ist und Menschen eben mit
Leserechtschreibschwäche, Legasthenie, es gibt einige Umfragen, die sogar sagen,
dass ungefähr zehn Prozent in Deutschland davon betroffen sind,
dass sie zumindest Schwierigkeiten haben Sprache
zu lernen, dass die eben auch so ein bisschen zurückbleiben bei dem Thema.
- Was ist dein Vorschlag, um in Zukunft niemanden sprachlich auszuschließen, wie machen wir das?
-Sagen Wir mal es gibt wirklich ne Rechtschreibreform flächendeckend,
es wäre halt sehr kompliziert das umzusetzen
mit dem Gendernstern wie es aktuell ist, und deswegen plädiere ich persönlich einfach nur
dafür, dass wir vielleicht die Wörter neu konnotieren, also so wie es zum Beispiel,
also das Wort 'gay' stand im englischen lange für einfach fröhlich und heute steht
das für eine ganze Community, also für die gay Community und Queer und ich bin der Überzeugung,
dass man auch Berufsbezeichnungen so umkonnotieren könnte, denn das grammatische Geschlecht ist ja
nicht das Sexus im realen Leben. Es heißt ja auch der Tisch, die Vase und so weiter,
das hat ja nichts mit dem Geschlecht zu tun, und so ist es eigentlich auch
bei Berufsbezeichnungen, die weiblichen Berufsbezeichnungen sind sogar teilweise
aus einer Abhängigkeit entstanden, also der Müller und die Frau war die Frau Müllerin,
obwohl sie nichts gemacht hat in diesem Beruf, sondern einfach nur zu Hause war.
Und warum kann man nicht einfach sagen das Wort Müller,
'ich bin Müller' ist einfach jetzt für das weibliche und das männliche Geschlecht.
Wir müssen, glaube ich, auch immer noch mal diese Perspektive nach außen haben, also
irgendwie aktuelle Umfragen sagen so 60-70 Prozent sind eher nicht dafür beziehungsweise dagegen.
Ich hab das Gefühl, dass viele andere Menschen das für unnötig ansehen, weil ich glaube,
das Problem ist, dass auch Leute hier von schlimmeren Problemen betroffen sind.
Das heißt, wenn man sich fragt, wie bezahle ich nächsten Monat die Heizkosten und die Miete,
warum kriege ich keinen Termin beim Arzt als Kassenpatient
obwohl ich Leiden habe, warum muss ich ein halbes Jahr warten,
dann werden diese Menschen so ein bisschen wütend, wenn sie
gesagt bekommen oder es auch nicht direkt gesagt bekommen,
aber es so interpretieren, wenn sie es so hören in den Medien, 'das ist gerade ein wichtiges Problem
und wir müssen uns jetzt hier darum kümmern' und ich glaube,
deswegen ist das auch so emotional behaftet,
weil viele Menschen halt sagen 'es, wir haben größere Probleme'.
- Leute guckt euch auch jetzt die Talks unserer anderen Gäste an,
das findet ihr alles hier in der ARD Mediathek
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