Matt Goodwin Talks Stopping Invasions

Tomlinson Talks
3 Oct 202413:15

Summary

TLDRIn this discussion, a former academic explores key issues in British politics, focusing on immigration and the shortcomings of the current system. He highlights the failure of British elites to provide adequate data on immigration and advocates for reforms, such as repealing the Human Rights Act and strengthening deterrents like deportations. The conversation also touches on the rise of a new generation of political thinkers, the role of new media, and the need to hold elites accountable. The speaker aims to raise awareness and push for radical change through political activism and media engagement.

Takeaways

  • 📚 The speaker has left the University of Kent but still considers themselves partly in academia, focusing more on public discourse and shaping national conversations.
  • 🎓 They have an upcoming book called 'Bad Education,' focused on universities and the state of education.
  • 🎥 A new 17-minute short film, 'How to Stop an Invasion,' was released, highlighting systemic issues around illegal migration in the UK.
  • 📊 The speaker criticizes the lack of public data on immigration in the UK, contrasting it with countries like Denmark and Finland, which release such data.
  • 🏛️ They argue for a tougher stance on illegal immigration, advocating for leaving the ECR, reforming the Human Rights Act, and using deterrents like the Rwanda plan.
  • 🚪 The speaker supports mass deportations, particularly of foreign criminals and individuals involved in scandals like grooming.
  • 👥 A generational divide is emerging in British politics, with younger conservatives pushing for a more direct, nationalistic approach.
  • 📈 The speaker emphasizes building an alternative to the 'failing status quo' by engaging with new political ecosystems, media, and alternative parties.
  • 👥 They advocate for cooperation within the political right rather than rivalries, aiming to focus on shared goals for political change.
  • 🕊️ A key theme of their upcoming speech is the murder of Thomas Roberts, a young man killed by an illegal migrant, which they believe should be more widely known.

Q & A

  • Who is the speaker in the transcript, and what is their background?

    -The speaker is a former academic, who has left the University of Kent. They are transitioning into public conversation and politics, trying to shape national debates, particularly around immigration.

  • What is the purpose of the speaker's new film 'How to Stop an Invasion'?

    -The purpose of the film is to raise awareness about how the British system is failing its citizens in dealing with immigration issues. The film covers every aspect from immigration routes to the Supreme Court and suggests solutions to stop illegal migration.

  • What are some key solutions proposed by the speaker to address illegal immigration in the UK?

    -The speaker proposes three main solutions: leaving the ECR (European Court of Human Rights), repealing or reforming the Human Rights Act, and implementing a deterrent like the Rwanda plan to manage illegal immigration more effectively.

  • How does the speaker feel about the current Conservative government's handling of immigration?

    -The speaker believes that the Conservative government, despite having an 80-seat majority, has failed to use its power to tackle immigration effectively. They argue that immigration will continue to intensify, and the Conservatives have missed an opportunity to address it.

  • What is the speaker's view on the lack of data related to immigration in Britain?

    -The speaker is astounded by the lack of immigration-related data in Britain, especially compared to countries like Denmark, the Netherlands, and Finland, which have data on criminality, welfare, and tax codes. They feel this lack of information prevents the public from understanding the reality of immigration issues.

  • How does the speaker view the role of the younger generation in shaping future immigration policy?

    -The speaker sees this as a generational moment, with younger people in their 20s and 30s pushing for change. They believe this new generation won't follow the 'Boomer Tory Playbook' and will instead demand stronger action on immigration and accountability from the elite class.

  • What is the speaker's response to Nigel Farage's skepticism about mass deportations?

    -The speaker disagrees with Nigel Farage's view that mass deportations are not feasible. They argue that foreign national criminals and people entering the UK illegally should be deported, and that it is a practical solution to address the immigration crisis.

  • What example does the speaker give to illustrate the failures of current immigration policies?

    -The speaker highlights the case of Thomas Roberts, a young man murdered by an illegal migrant, as an example of the failures of current immigration policies. They argue that Roberts' case should be as well-known as that of George Floyd to draw attention to the costs of poor immigration decisions.

  • What does the speaker mean by 'Fortress Britain'?

    -The speaker uses the term 'Fortress Britain' to describe a future where the UK strengthens its borders and implements strict immigration controls. They believe that as immigration becomes a central issue, the country will need to adopt much tougher policies to maintain national cohesion.

  • What is the speaker’s long-term goal with their involvement in politics and media?

    -The speaker aims to help build a viable alternative to the current political establishment. They see their role in media, such as Substack and new political parties, as a way to provide guidance, advice, and insight to push for meaningful change, particularly in areas like immigration.

Outlines

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📚 Transitioning from Academia to Public Discourse

The speaker, a former academic, discusses his shift from the University of Kent to broader public conversations. He mentions continuing to contribute to academia while moving into political discourse. His new book, 'Bad Education,' focuses on the state of universities, while his Substack and political projects aim to shape national conversations. The speaker emphasizes his new focus on politics, particularly in relation to immigration, and gives an overview of his recent short film, which highlights systemic failures in managing British immigration.

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🚨 Urgent Need for Immigration Reform

The speaker emphasizes the critical need to reform Britain's immigration system, specifically advocating for leaving the European Court of Human Rights and reforming the Human Rights Act. He stresses the importance of a deterrent, suggesting a policy similar to the Rwanda model for processing asylum claims outside the UK. He critiques the lack of data transparency on immigration and highlights how British citizens are accused of misinformation when no clear information is provided. He also touches on the generational divide and the rise of new, bold political voices willing to tackle immigration more directly.

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🗣️ Conservative Debate on Deportations and Criminality

The speaker responds to a recent debate involving Nigel Farage, focusing on the issue of mass deportations of foreign criminals. He advocates for the deportation of individuals, particularly those involved in criminal activities like the grooming scandals, and argues for strict measures against illegal entrants. He underscores the difference between older, liberal conservative approaches and a new, assertive national conservatism that is prepared to take strong action on immigration, aligning with values of law and societal cohesion.

🎤 A New Political Ecosystem: Reform and Collaboration

The speaker discusses his involvement with reform movements and the development of a new political ecosystem, emphasizing collaboration among like-minded individuals and organizations. He stresses the importance of avoiding internal conflicts within this movement and focusing on building a credible alternative to the current political status quo. He highlights the need for a ‘battering ram’ approach to break through the liberal establishment and supports the notion that this reform movement offers the only real platform for change in British politics.

🎙️ Upcoming Speech on Immigration and Public Safety

The speaker previews his upcoming speech, which will focus on the case of Thomas Roberts, a young man murdered by an illegal migrant. He argues that cases like Roberts’ should receive as much attention as incidents like George Floyd’s and plans to highlight the sense of betrayal felt by many British citizens due to government decisions. His goal is to draw attention to the human costs of the immigration crisis and to challenge the decisions being made by politicians in Westminster.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Immigration

Immigration is a central theme of the video, specifically focusing on illegal migration and its impact on British society. The speaker discusses the legal, social, and political challenges posed by the influx of migrants into the UK, emphasizing the need for stricter laws and reforms to handle the situation. Examples include the reference to reforming the 1952 Refugee Act and establishing deterrents like Rwanda.

💡Human Rights Act

The Human Rights Act is mentioned as part of the 'legal architecture' that the speaker believes needs to be reformed to address issues surrounding immigration. The speaker suggests repealing or reforming this law to give the government more control over deportation and asylum processes. This relates to the broader conversation about tightening immigration laws to protect British citizens.

💡Fortress Britain

This concept refers to the idea of making Britain more secure and less accessible to illegal migrants. The speaker suggests that immigration will become an increasingly central political issue, eventually leading to a 'Fortress Britain' approach where strict policies are enacted to protect the nation's borders. This illustrates a shift toward a more nationalistic and protectionist stance in British politics.

💡National Conservatism

National conservatism is portrayed as a political ideology focused on preserving the cultural and social integrity of the nation. The speaker contrasts this with 'liberal conservatism,' arguing that national conservatism is needed to address immigration and other national issues. This ideology prioritizes the interests of the native population and advocates for strong borders and cohesive national identity.

💡Legal Migration

Legal migration is distinguished from illegal migration in the video. The speaker acknowledges that legal migration is also intensifying, and that both forms of migration need to be addressed. While the focus is mainly on illegal migration, legal migration is seen as another contributing factor to the broader challenges facing Britain.

💡1952 Refugee Act

The 1952 Refugee Act is mentioned as a piece of legislation that the speaker believes may need to be reformed in order to better control immigration. This Act is part of the post-war international legal framework that provides asylum to refugees. The speaker argues that it has become outdated and may hinder the ability to manage modern migration issues effectively.

💡Rwanda Plan

The Rwanda Plan refers to a proposed policy where illegal migrants would be sent to Rwanda to have their asylum claims processed, acting as a deterrent for future illegal immigration. While the speaker supports the idea of an 'active deterrent,' they suggest that the Rwanda plan might need to be adjusted or replaced by a tighter policy. This is presented as one of the potential solutions to Britain’s immigration problems.

💡Elite Class

The 'elite class' in the video refers to the political and intellectual leadership in Britain who are seen as out of touch with the concerns of ordinary citizens regarding immigration. The speaker criticizes this group for not providing enough data or transparency on immigration and accuses them of allowing the situation to worsen through mismanagement and failure to act decisively.

💡Thomas Roberts

Thomas Roberts is mentioned as a young man who was murdered by an illegal migrant, and his case is used to highlight the human cost of current immigration policies. The speaker argues that Roberts should be as well-known as George Floyd, suggesting that this case symbolizes the sense of betrayal felt by many British citizens toward the government’s handling of immigration.

💡Reform Party

The Reform Party is discussed as a political vehicle capable of challenging the current establishment on issues like immigration. The speaker supports their efforts and sees them as part of a broader movement within British politics to build a credible alternative to the status quo, particularly when it comes to conservative and nationalistic ideas. The speaker implies that working with or supporting such parties is crucial for political change.

Highlights

The speaker describes leaving the University of Kent and branching into public discourse to shape the national conversation.

The speaker mentions a new book called 'Bad Education' that critiques the state of universities and academic standards.

Discussion on a short film titled 'How to Stop an Invasion,' which aims to raise awareness about how the UK’s system is failing to control illegal migration.

The film tracks the journey of migrants from Calais to the UK and highlights the legal loopholes in the British system, proposing reforms like leaving the ECHR and reforming the Human Rights Act.

The speaker calls for a 'Fortress Britain' approach, emphasizing the need for tougher immigration policies, including deterrents similar to Rwanda.

Critique of the UK’s lack of transparency in immigration data compared to other countries like Denmark, Sweden, and Finland, where there is detailed data on criminality and welfare by nationality.

The speaker identifies a generational shift in British politics, arguing that younger generations are no longer content with the status quo and are willing to challenge the old political playbook.

Emphasis on the importance of a new ecosystem in British politics, involving YouTube shows, podcasts, and new political parties to create credible alternatives to the current establishment.

The speaker discusses the role of the Reform Party and other new movements, calling for unity among different conservative factions to create an effective political force.

Criticism of establishment conservatism for failing to use its majority to implement immigration reforms, calling for more radical measures.

The speaker addresses the issue of deporting foreign nationals involved in criminal activities and grooming scandals, advocating for stricter immigration controls.

Reference to a generational divide seen in a recent interview with Nigel Farage, highlighting differing views on mass deportations and the feasibility of implementing them.

The speaker calls for a new generation of politicians to step up and take a direct approach to address immigration and other national concerns.

Preview of an upcoming speech focused on the case of Thomas Roberts, a young man murdered by an illegal migrant, arguing that his case should be as widely known as that of George Floyd.

The speaker ends with a call to shed light on the people who are paying the real costs of political decisions, emphasizing the importance of raising awareness about the impact on British citizens.

Transcripts

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academic and friend of the show former

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academic now because you've left the

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University of Kent am I right not good

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one I me well first it's great to be

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here you can hear the energy actually

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here this is a remarkable moment in

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British politics I I would still

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consider myself I've got I've got a toe

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in Academia but I'm obviously branching

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out into public um the conversation

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trying to shape the national

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conversation let's put it that way yeah

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yeah I think it's warranted you've got a

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new book coming out on that eventually

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about the state of universities yeah

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we've got a book called bad education

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that's coming out um obviously we got

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the substack we got a lot of people

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reading that engaging in that content I

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think it's um mainly now trying to move

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more into the realm of I guess politics

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well I was going to say about your

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substack how to stop an invasion came

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out today for those who haven't seen it

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yet do you mind giving us a little

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summary of the the purpose of the piece

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yeah sure so this is a 17-minute short

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film which basically uh is designed to

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show every moment that the system is

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letting down British people so it takes

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you from Cal onto the beaches into the

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channel landing at the UK going to the

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Supreme Court being in the hotels

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Westminster House of Commons and it goes

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from there and then basically what I'm

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trying to do is raise awareness because

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you know we're in politics we talk about

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this every day 95% of people out there

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don't do that so it's about raising

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awareness trying to go you know trying

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to get this thing to get out there but

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also suggesting how we fix this problem

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problem and maybe we can get into it but

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at the end of the video I'm saying well

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look we need to leave the ECR we need to

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repeal or reform the Human Rights Act

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and we need an active deterrent that is

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like Rwanda maybe not Rwanda maybe a

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tighter Rwanda but we need a deterrent

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and if we do all of those things we

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might have a chance at stopping this

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invasion of our country so what do you

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think about for example reforming the

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1952 Refugee act as well cuz I think

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that's going to be another legal

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trapping that we into so I think we have

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to revisit all of the legal architecture

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totally understand that uh we need to

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look at all of the legislation that has

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provided what I guess what I would call

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a kind of Blair right foundation of our

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system and had the conservatives used

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the power they had with an 80 seat

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majority they could have done all this

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they failed but I think looking forward

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my working assumption is illegal

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migration will continue to in intensify

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legal migration will continue to

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intensif ify as we're speaking now in

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September

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2024 immigration is the number one issue

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in the country this ain't going anywhere

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this is just going to become more and

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more Central to British politics and

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eventually I think we're going to end up

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trying to build something that I would

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call Fortress Britain and we're going to

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have to push forward politicians and

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speakers and thinkers who like yourself

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are not afraid to take on this issue and

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talk about it in a very direct direct

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way I me let me give you one micro

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example one of the things I'm completely

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astounded by in Britain is the lack of

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data on the issue of immigration now

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you've written about this as well you

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look at Denmark you look at Netherlands

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Sweden Finland I was in Finland last

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week they've got data on criminality by

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nationality welfare tax codes that data

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either we have it and it's not released

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or we don't even have it and then Elites

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accuse voters of misinformation but

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actually how can we be suffering from

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misinformation if we're not being given

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the information on what's happening to

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our own country you I think this is

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where this new gen new generation and I

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do view this as a generational moment

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because there are people in their yeah I

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would say early 40s is still quite young

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but 30s 20s who are coming up who are

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saying actually we're not going to play

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by the Boomer Tor Playbook anymore we're

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going to try and push forward and Lotus

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heers obviously is part of this a new

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ecosystem that is saying actually we're

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not going to play the old game we want

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to really you know hold the elite class

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and I do as a new Elite Class

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accountable fully accountable to the

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British people I do think something that

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happened this week that maybe showed

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that generational divide a little bit

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was Steven edington's interview with

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Nigel farage and I wonder how people

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generally at this conference felt about

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Nigel's answers because a few weeks ago

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Isel oot for example published a piece

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in the telegraph partner of Richard Ty

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saying we need Mass deportations we've

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got successful parties in Europe the afd

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in Germany national rally in France G

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builders in the Netherlands even Donald

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Trump in the US pledging to do unmas

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mass deportations of foreign criminals

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illegal entrance the kinds that you were

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highlighting your film and Nigel seemed

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to say it can't be done it's too large a

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task do you think that was a mistake or

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do you think that was a a tactical play

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by Nigel so I can't speak for anybody

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else I can say that from my perspective

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if we have 10,000 foreign National

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criminals in our prisons and we're

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letting out actual UK criminals because

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we don't have space to me that's a

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no-brainer we should be deporting

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foreign criminals outside of the country

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anyway we should be deporting for

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example people with your nationality who

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have uh been engaged with the grooming

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Scandal that's an example that you we've

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seen highlighted on GB news and we've

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seen people like sella braan point to

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that and say well we should be deporting

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these people I agree with that uh I

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think if you enter the UK illegally you

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should not have any chance of being

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given Asylum and you should have your

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claim processed outside of the country

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away from uh uh the British people and

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our children I have no issue with all of

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those things um and I think

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fundamentally this is going to be the

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dividing line between establishment Tor

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ISM establishment conservatism and you

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know what's going on here I mean I we're

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speaking on day one of this conference

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and we just heard a great speech by SAS

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uh former SAS uh

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member an Middleton who gave a really

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good speech about what is it that makes

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a nation how do you build a high trust

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cohesive society and made the point that

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you can't allow people in who refuse to

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respect the rule of law and who break

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laws and who break conventions and

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that's exactly what we're doing in the

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UK at the moment you know Thomas Soul

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famously said um immigration laws are

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the only laws that are ever discussed in

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terms of how to help people break them

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well we're doing that all the time I

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mean even in response to these guys in

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Parliament last week reform MPS we had a

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labor MP saying the folks who are

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entering Britain illegally are doing

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nothing wrong I'm sorry their first act

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on entering the country is to break the

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law that should be a big no no we should

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not tolerate that and I think this is

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going to become the dividing line

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between what we might call liberal

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conservatism the kind of old outdated

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you know um fading conservatism versus a

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new National conservatism that

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understands this is a defining issue of

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our time yeah I do think that National

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conservatism is defined by conserving

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the things that you love and I think

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that what you love is home and if you

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invite house guests in and they start

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trashing the furniture and you can't

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remove those house guests anymore you

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don't have home you just have a bunch of

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squatters so I do think that's part of

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the imperative my question is then Matt

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you were at the unheard hustings you put

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in a a good showing against Peter

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Hitchin who absolutely insists he wasn't

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saying vote conservative but just don't

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vote for anyone anyone else what do you

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envision yourself doing as involved with

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reform for the next few years you just

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hoping to give them advice strengthen

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their policy what is it well I think

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probably like lots of people who engage

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with lotus eaters a new Eco what I would

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consider part of a new ecosystem you

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know we have a lot of YouTube shows we

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have podcasts we have substacks we have

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new political parties to me all all of

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this is about building a viable

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meaningful credible alternative to a

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broken inevitably failing status quo I

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have no interest in bickering within

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that ecosystem if one group of people

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are doing amazingly I'm cheering them on

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if another group are doing great I'm

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cheering them on like I'm not there's no

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time for petty disputes and rivalries

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and so on so you know I'm here to give

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as much advice and guidance based on

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what I've been doing for 10 15 years as

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I can because I care about the country

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and I'm morphing into a different kind

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of figure but I also hope the younger

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generation too we also understand that

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you look at somebody you know say like

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Nigel farage or somebody something like

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the Reform Party you know the vessels

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sometimes that we have in British

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politics are not always the perfect

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vessels that you know we would all you

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know we would like them to be we can

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pick apart we can say I'd like that

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piece to be over there I'd like that

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policy to be over there but I think

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fundamentally you have to ask yourself

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the question of what is the best vehicle

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for leading a battering ram through this

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Fortress of establishment you know

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liberalism and to

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me that is here like this is a vehicle

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that you know just got five MPS in

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Parliament 4 million votes like as far

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as I can see there is no alternative

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which kind of I would put the question

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back to people who are not here who are

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sitting at home or supporting other

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small parties I say well what you're

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doing with your time because if you're

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serious about changing the country there

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is only one springboard and and that is

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here you think they're receptive enough

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to New Media and the sort of youthful

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energy we're seeing at the moment I mean

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you've got Anonymous um as part of your

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subs series it's it's great do you think

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that some of those Anonymous suers are

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saying things that are beyond the pay

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for reform or should they be listening

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to the concerns of these people I think

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there's a generational Challenge and you

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can you

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know we have a lot of under 35 under 40s

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not engaging in politics to the extent

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they should I think there's an issue

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around let's call it the very online

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right around where they want to go in

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terms of feasible realistic politics um

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how they can be brought into some

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existing um Avenues um but also I think

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there's a question about how could this

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movement not only deliver change in 29

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but deliver it in a way where it also

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partly passes the Baton down to a new

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generation and I think that is what I'm

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going to be looking out for remember you

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know that is ultimately what Nigel farad

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said when he announced his return that

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he wanted to do two things he wanted to

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build a new viable party but he also

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wanted to pass a Batton down to a

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generation that's coming up behind and I

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I I look I would urge people just to ask

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themselves a question of you know which

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politician in Britain is is most ideally

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Place best place to bring about serious

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radical change to the status quo I

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personally think there is only one

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answer to that question one final thing

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care to give us a preview of what the

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speech is about tomorrow yeah I'm going

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to give you a preview I'm going to talk

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I'm going to at least give a few minutes

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of a small amount of time that I have to

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talk about the case of Thomas Roberts

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who is a young man 21 years of age who

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was murdered by an illegal migrant

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and I think Thomas Robert should be as

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well known as George Floyd and uh I want

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more people to be aware of that case and

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to talk about it uh because I think

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fundamentally it Taps into what

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everybody out there can sense which is a

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palpable sense of betrayal and double

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standards in our country so I want to

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talk a bit about that I've written a bit

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about it on the subset I know you're

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familiar with it I know a few others uh

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you know in your world are but to me it

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really comes down to throwing light on

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