Turning failure into success: how to master trading psychology | Instant Funding Trader Interview
Summary
TLDRIn this interview, Manuel Bueno speaks with Hamza, a trader from Mumbai, India, who shares his remarkable journey in the world of trading. Hamza, who began trading in 2019, initially lost $5,000 using an EA (Expert Advisor) but later turned things around. He discusses his struggles, learning from books, demo trading, and ultimately achieving success with a consistent strategy. Hamza emphasizes the importance of psychology in trading, sharing his approach to risk management and the significance of real-money trading for understanding market dynamics. His story is a testament to resilience and the power of learning from setbacks.
Takeaways
- 📈 Hamza, from Mumbai, India, started trading in 2019 and initially lost $5,000 due to an EA bot's poor performance.
- 📚 After the initial loss, Hamza educated himself on trading strategies, focusing on Candlestick patterns and developing his own methods.
- 💡 He credits his cousin brother as a mentor who introduced him to trading and provided him with an EA bot to start with.
- 🌐 Hamza believes in the Forex market's liquidity and sees it as a long-term commitment, with no plans to quit.
- 💼 During a break from trading, Hamza worked in the Forex industry, which helped him gain insights and learn from experienced traders.
- 💹 After blowing up his account twice, Hamza managed to turn $100 into $3,500 by sticking to a disciplined trading plan and risk management.
- 🚫 He emphasizes the importance of not overtrading after a loss and taking a break from the platform to avoid impulsive decisions.
- 📊 Hamza's current strategy involves technical analysis, focusing on support and resistance levels, and Candlestick patterns.
- 🎯 He has a clear trading plan with a weekly goal and only takes two trades per week, which has helped him grow his account significantly.
- 📚 He recommends reading books like 'Trading in the Zone' and the 'Candlestick Bible' to develop the right trading mindset.
- 💡 Hamza advises new traders to start with real money, not paper trading, to experience the psychological aspects of trading that are crucial for success.
Q & A
What is Hamza's background and how did he get into trading?
-Hamza is from Mumbai, India. He got into trading in 2019 after being introduced to it by his cousin brother who worked for a broker. He started with EA (Expert Advisor) trading.
What was Hamza's initial experience with EA trading?
-Hamza's initial experience with EA trading was not successful. He lost around $5,000 in a year, which was a tough year for him.
How did Hamza improve his trading after the initial loss?
-After losing money, Hamza started reading about candlestick patterns and developed his own trading strategy. He also did paper trading for a year to refine his strategy.
What was the turning point for Hamza in his trading journey?
-The turning point was when Hamza started seeing consistent profits on his demo account and decided to put his new strategy to test with real money.
How did Hamza manage to get back on track after blowing up his account?
-After blowing up his account, Hamza took a break, worked in the Forex industry to learn more, and then returned with a new $500 account, focusing on survival and discipline in his trading.
What is Hamza's approach to risk management?
-Hamza's approach to risk management includes limiting himself to two trades per week with a weekly goal of making $50. If he loses the first trade, he stops trading for the day.
How did Hamza hear about instant funding and what was his experience with them?
-Hamza heard about instant funding from his friend Samit, who is also a trader. He decided to give it a try and found their service to be the fastest in terms of withdrawal processing.
What was the most significant trade Hamza made with instant funding?
-With a $10,000 account, Hamza made a trade that resulted in over 10% profit, which was a significant achievement for him.
How has trading impacted Hamza's personal life and mindset?
-Trading has made Hamza very patient and mature for his age. He believes his experience in the markets has changed him significantly over the three years.
What advice does Hamza have for someone new to trading?
-Hamza advises new traders to always trade with real money to understand market psychology, and to read as many books as possible to acquire the mindset of a professional trader.
What is Hamza's current trading strategy?
-Hamza's current strategy is based on technical analysis, focusing on candlestick patterns, support and resistance levels, and top-down analysis from weekly to hourly charts.
Outlines
🌟 Introduction to Hamza's Trading Journey
Manuel Bueno introduces the interview series and welcomes Hamza, a trader from India who has achieved significant success with a single trade, gaining over 10%. Hamza shares his origin from Mumbai and his entry into trading in 2019, initially through EA trading influenced by his cousin brother who worked for a broker. Despite an initial loss of approximately $5,000 due to unfavorable trades by the bot, Hamza remained committed to the market. He began studying candlestick patterns and developing his trading strategy, eventually seeing small profits. However, a news event (NFP) led to significant losses, causing him to reevaluate his approach.
📈 Learning from Losses and Building Confidence
After losing his initial investment, Hamza continued to engage with the market by paper trading and reading trading books to refine his strategy. He managed to show consistent profits on demo accounts, which built his confidence. Despite facing financial difficulties, he borrowed money from his brother to restart his trading journey. He was determined and confident in his abilities, which led him to successfully return his brother's investment in just one and a half months, marking a significant milestone in his trading career.
💡 Overcoming Challenges and Finding a Winning Strategy
Despite experiencing a 17-trade winning streak, Hamza faced a devastating loss due to a market event (FOMC), which wiped out his account balance. This setback led him to take a break from active trading and instead work in the Forex industry to gain more market insights. He learned about market movements and psychology, which were crucial for his future success. After four months, he returned with a fresh perspective and a $500 account, focusing on survival and learning rather than profit.
🚀 Scaling Success with Disciplined Trading
With a renewed approach, Hamza set a goal to survive in the market and grow his account. He implemented a disciplined trading plan, limiting himself to two trades per week with a weekly profit goal. As his account balance increased, so did his weekly target. He avoided emotional trading and focused on strategy and psychology, which eventually led to significant growth in his account.
🌐 Exploring New Opportunities with Instant Funding
Hamza's friend introduced him to Instant Funding, a new prop firm offering attractive discounts and profit splits. After researching and finding positive reviews, he decided to try it. He started with a $10,000 account and quickly achieved over 10% returns in a single trade, showcasing his trading prowess. He discusses his trading strategy, emphasizing technical analysis, candlestick patterns, and support/resistance levels.
📚 The Impact of Trading on Personal Growth
Hamza reflects on how trading has transformed him as an individual, making him more patient and psychologically mature. He advises new traders to trade with real money to understand market psychology and to read extensively to develop a professional trader's mindset. His family, initially skeptical, has become supportive of his trading endeavors, and he has used his trading success to reward them.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Trading
💡EA (Expert Advisory)
💡Candlestick patterns
💡Demo account
💡News trading
💡Liquidity inducement
💡Risk management
💡Psychology
💡Support and resistance
💡FOMC (Federal Open Market Committee)
💡Prop firm (Proprietary trading firm)
Highlights
Hamza from Mumbai, India, started trading in 2019 and lost $5,000 in a year.
He got into trading because of his cousin brother, who was his mentor and worked for a broker.
Hamza initially used an EA (Expert Advisory) for trading but it resulted in significant losses.
After losing money, Hamza started reading about Candlestick patterns and developing his strategy.
He made a small profit of $300 in the first month of using the EA, but then lost it all due to a news event.
Hamza believes once you get into the Forex market, there's no going back due to its liquidity.
After blowing his account, Hamza did paper trading for a year to develop his strategy.
He started seeing profits on his demo account after two years of experience.
Hamza invested $100 initially and increased it to $1,800 by borrowing from his brother.
He blew up his account again on a news trading event, leaving him with only $18.
Hamza took a four-month break from trading to work in Forex and learn from market professionals.
After the break, he returned with a $500 account and focused on surviving in the market.
He had a weekly goal of making $50 and would close MetaTrader for the day after two trades.
Hamza's account grew from $500 to $1,300 in three months with his new strategy.
He found success with a strategy focusing on liquidity inducement and trading during specific market hours.
Hamza's family was initially scared of him getting into trading but eventually became supportive.
He advises new traders to always trade with real money to experience the psychological aspects of trading.
Hamza recommends reading books like 'Trading in the Zone' and 'The Candlestick Bible' to develop the right mindset.
He emphasizes the importance of having the right emotions and psychology for successful trading.
Transcripts
hello everybody what's going on trading
world and welcome back to our interview
series my name is Manuel Bueno here with
instant funding and today we're gonna
get to know Hamza he's from India and
he's made over
10% just on one trade and we're super
excited to hear his story let's go meet
him tell us where you're from
and how you got into trading how long
you've been trading
for so basically I'm from Mumbai India
uh I hope you have heard about it so I
got into
trading back in
2019 uh and I was just doing EA trading
uh I got into trading because of my
cousin brother hnen he's like my mentor
he got me into trading and he was
working for a broker as well so he got
me a ea expert advisory bought and I was
trading on that and I lost a lot of
money like I lose around I would say
$5,000 in a year so it was like a tough
year for me and then I started reading
you know Candlestick patterns and
everything going through my strategy and
now I think I have you know made it kind
of made it you obviously you trust him
so you say let's let's do it you put
money in this EA
account and after your first did you get
any profit at all from this account from
the bot the first month I would say it
was uh little profitable like I made
around $300 I made a withdrawal also and
after that there was a news NFP and the
bot was continuously buying on a sell
side position like the market was going
to the downside and he was continuously
placing buy orders okay so I blew my
account you you got a first
withdrawal yeah so
you know for the brain that's oh this is
real you know I can I can take money out
so that was it was at least a little bit
of hope you know this this is not fake
you know it there's something here so
the first year is over I yeah I
personally think if you get into Forex
Market there is no going back like the
liquidity and everything there is no
going back yeah
okay okay so the year ends first year of
the finance Market you can say the bot
blows your account all your money
anything you invested so when this
happens what are you thinking
now uh like I said I I was really
attached to the market and I blew my
account and I didn't had I I went broke
so I was just going through you know
like I was seeing the charts every day I
didn't had money I was doing paper
trading for a year and I was just trying
to create an strategy trying to make out
something out of it and then I started
reading trading related books like which
are available in the markets yeah and I
started seeing a little bit profit on my
demo accounts okay like I was
consistently making around $300 $200 in
a month like okay consistent
consistently on my demo account on on
the demo account okay so this is what
maybe like two years now of experience
yeah okay about two years of
experience the first year bot doesn't
work now you're studying you're demo
trading you're reading you're on the
charts you find the strategy that's
working on your demo account yeah so you
what's the next step from there do you
decide to to put money into your
personal account again and try your new
strategy yeah that that's what I did
okay I got into the markets again and I
was you know investing a lot of money
like I started with $100 like first
initial deposit and then I went till
$1,800 so I was you know lending money
from my elder brother I was asking him
for money because I was you know not
working I was in college back then so I
was asking him for money he gave me
$1,800 and I went till
$3,500 I gave him his ,800 investment
back okay rest rest I blew up again on
news training so okay okay so
when you know asking people for help is
a big
step yeah so when you when you ask for
this help hey help me out you know I've
been studying I know what I'm
doing how were you nervous about that or
were you just fully confident in what
you can
do uh since I was young I've been pretty
confident on my decisions like uh
if I want to do something like I'm very
clear if I'm unsure about it I wouldn't
take that decision so I was pretty
confident about it I just want to do it
okay so confident hey just how how long
did it take you to get his money
back it took me one and a half month I
would say okay and in in this one and a
half month did he ask you about it did
he tell you hey I need I need it back I
need any type of
pressure no he was just asking me
questions like how is it going so far
okay yeah like are you making anything
out of it are you taking any withdrawals
I was like first I'm planning to give
your investment back then I'll think
about the withdrawals because you know
that's a burden to me a few questions
like uh uh like he just said if even if
you blow it it doesn't matter but make
sure you you just you know take your
time don't make any rough decisions
don't be aggressive on it take your time
just do it I don't want my money back
ASAP you can take your time take three
months if you want okay yeah okay okay
so he trusts you you trust yourself so
now you have a nice account you
basically do what
100% And yeah I fli the account in like
one and a half months okay you flip the
account you give him his money back so
I'm sure when this happens right you
feel good you have confident in your in
your skills I did it no more pressure I
got this burden off my
shoulders so what what happens in um I
guess the psychology you can say that
the psychology blow it again yeah
because I was on a 17 trade win
streak man I was on a seven yeah so it
was like a crazy feeling you know like
on a 17 trade winning streak and then it
went literally opposite
so okay I lost all the funds that I had
on fomc the market took a 60 uh like 60
ounce m in uh in like 15 minutes so yeah
so back to
zero back to zero yeah back to zero man
I had $18 on me left with
me you know it it it happens to all of
us right it's almost
it's like you have to go through this
but you just you never get tired of
hearing it you know because it's it's
it's the same thing always and it's like
almost like you just you have to pay the
the tuition of you know blowing these
accounts so now we're what about maybe
two and a half years two full years of
trading experience when this happens I
would say when that happened was one and
a half year back two and a half years I
was into the market so into the market
right right about two and a half years
okay back to zero what do we do
next so after that uh I took a break
again and I started working in Forex
myself how long how long was your
break four months I would say okay yeah
completely or just still looking at
charts or just nothing zero no no first
month like after I the account one month
I was off the charts like I wasn't
seeing the market at all okay because
you know the next day I saw that market
went in my direction like it was doing a
correction and going to my direction so
I was like that's the worst that's the
worst yeah yeah so after that I was like
you know it's not for me because I need
to work on my psychology a little bit
more so I took a break for a month and
then I was on the charts but I wasn't
trading this time not even demo trading
just seeing the charts that's it and
then I Was preparing that I should be
joining a broker like you know I should
be working like my cousin brother
because at work you get to talk to a lot
of Traders when you are working in a
Forex industry you'll get to talk to a
lot of Traders and you can learn a lot
of things and I was a newbie basically
it was like I was 20 year old and I was
just consistently you know I needed to
learn a lot of things in the market so I
took the break I was doing Forex and
there I learned learned a lot of things
like how the market works from the
market perspective like the how does
Market moves like I understood so after
the break I got back four months
later and I opened a $500 account again
okay yeah and how do you after this
break after you know be having more
experience and
everything how did you
feel opening a brand new account
again so uh basically every month I used
to make like it was like a
70210 from my salary 70 I was keeping it
for myself my expensive and everything
20 for the trading account and 10% is
was was my saving okay so I was saving
around $150 every month okay and when it
reached $500 I started trading again
okay that's when you deposited and you
got got a $500 account okay so it's it's
some discipline to get this account so
yeah so how do you 500 account uh right
I you use metatrader maybe you see this
how do you feel now do you think are you
thinking about your mistakes are you
thinking about what you did in the past
are you scared are you uh no news right
what what what changes for this for this
brand new account so basically when I
created the $500 account I had this one
goal in my mind this time I just got to
survive it's not about making profit or
losing you know I just want to stay in
touch with the market learn as much as I
can because even if you trade on a demo
account and when you trade on a real
account it's a lot of difference when
you trade on a demo account there are no
emotions and you know Forex I would say
20% is the strategy 80% is psychology
and emotions
even if you have a right strategy and
you don't have the right emotions and
psychology then you are not going to
make it in the market
because 30 days Market will give in a
month there are like 22 days trading
days and the market will give you chance
for like a week maybe 14 days it's
coming for your money so you got to be
very careful careful with it so yeah
right yeah so then I was just targeting
yeah so sorry yeah so so survive right I
I can blow this account I cannot blow
this so how how is it are you changing
your risk are you changing your lot size
are you how are you attacking this new
plan of of
surviving I made this plan two trades
two just two trades in a week okay and
my weekly goal was $50 if I lose the
first trade I'm not going to over trade
even if it comes to my position again
even if it Market gives me a chance I'll
just close the metat trader app and I
won't see it for the day rest of the day
okay okay so a little bit about your
trading plan are you are you okay with
trading every day right Monday through
Friday or there are some days you don't
trade or you know just how the market
looks so back then my strategy was
different currently my strategy is
different so back then I used to trade
liquidity inducement
okay yeah so uh Indian Standard Time
12:30 when London Market
opens
okay and 11:30 frankfur opens so 11:30
in the morning when frankfur opens
Market will create Asian Range High so
I'll show it to you in the trading later
yeah yeah so I was working on that
strategy and I was making a good profit
from 500 in 3 months I went around 1,300
somewhat okay okay so if did you have
with this you have a weekly what if you
made your $50 for the week would you
would you stop or would you would you
keep
going so my goal was to make $50 in the
beginning when my account went to $800
it changed to $80 in a week okay yeah so
it was exponentially growing because I
didn't wanted to make any withdrawals I
just wanted my account to grow
because once you reach $10,000 $100 a
day it's very easy right and if you see
like in India if you are making $100 in
a day it's you know it's more than
enough not even engineers make that
amount of money so yeah okay so yeah big
okay how you found instant funding what
decided
to to give instant funding a
try so basically my friend samid he told
me about instant funding like we were
sitting and he just came up with this my
friend samit he's also a Trader so okay
you know we are like buddies like we
trade every day on like we trade the
same pairs throughout the week so he
told me that that is a funding like
there is a company instant funding they
are new in the game and they are giving
some nice discounts and everything so I
was like I'll give it a shot and then
when I saw there was a coupon code
called in
ignition and it was like a 90 % profit
split and it was like competitive and
when I went to trust pilot I saw that
you know there are some nice reviews so
I was sure that the companies you know
and when I checked YouTube and
everything I got to know that uh it's
one of the you know best upcoming prop
forms in the game right so I was like
I'll give it a try so far I feel
personally instant funding given me the
fastest withdrawal in the game being y
very honest because I got my withdrawal
within 24 hours not even 24 hours I say
12 hours I yeah
so go back to my instant funding account
yeah very good so show show us your
account a little bit it was uh $10,000
account in the beginning
okay just a
second where do I see my trades uh down
yep
yeah so
this trade I just took for you know the
trade just to complete the trading
days when you buy account when you buy
an account the from your first trade you
have to wait 15 days for your withdrawal
right right so I just took this trade to
start my trading day it was just 19c
duration okay then I took a trade on
Euro USD I made a profit of
$778 so
yeah and after that USD CHF I made a
profit of somewhat around $1,300 and
then
$600 okay these are just small and this
was this was with the the 10K
account yeah so with one trade you made
over over
10% yeah wow okay so I'll show you see
it was a 10K account right uh then I was
see the 10K then I made a $600 trade Y
and then it went directly okay wait then
I scaled up the account right right and
after scaling up I haven't taken a you
know profitable trade yet but currently
right now I'm in a trade so I think it's
going to go up
okay yeah okay so where when you when
you make this over 10%
trade right how
how does it what's going on in your mind
is was is that the biggest amount you've
ever made in one
trade no
okay so not the biggest amount you've
done it before but obviously you know
this is you failed prop from before you
try this one so I'm sure that that gives
you a good feeling right I know what I'm
doing I'm following my Trading
plan you know one year ago I was doing
$50 a week and now I'm making $1,000 in
you know one trade in a single day so it
is such a and especially if it's not the
first time right you're you're you're
doing it somewhat consistently you can
say so how does do you ever sit back and
just you know think about it man one
year ago I was you know asking my
brother for a loan and now you know what
I did in 3 months and in two months I'm
sorry I I did in one day today so how
how does that feel hza you know going
through those
emotions uh it it absolutely feels
amazing my family is pretty confident
about it that I can you
know so when you um did you tell anybody
in your family when you started trading
through three years ago that that you
were going to try this
and yeah you know give it a shot yeah I
was lacking a lot when I was studying
like I'm I couldn't be you know I was
not a scholar or something like that I
was like an average student so I knew if
I had to do something I had to do on my
own like I started very early uh before
Forex I was doing some other stuffs as
well like I was hustling basically Okay
so when I was 17 18 I started hustling
and when I got into Forex there was no
looking back since then I have not you
know been year or there so when I told
my family about it that I'm planning to
start trading they were pretty scared
they were like maybe you can blow your
accounts lose all your savings and all
of that because what they have heard
about trading and there are some scammed
happened when my dad was young in 1992
and then 2000 stock market crashes and
everything so he has seen people go from
a happy life to depression so he was
like if you are getting into it make
sure you have the right mindset when you
do it just be careful like my family I
would say they were scared that's all
okay they're scared but they at the end
of the day they they supported you you
know they tell you just be careful you
know we've seen some stuff in this in
this you know Market in this in this
field just take care of yourself so
that's so that's good cuz you know a lot
of the times especially when our family
doesn't have that background you know is
no don't do it no you know go to school
no that doesn't work that so it it's
good that you had at least in the back
of your head some some support so what
what about now when your parents see how
far you've come you know maybe maybe you
take them out to dinner you know maybe
you buy them something hey Mom you know
this this is from the market you you
know it wasn't how how does the
conversation
change so uh my mom and dad they have
been pretty you know supportive towards
me like since the beginning before
trading also when I was doing other
stuffs as well they have been always
been supportive then they have never
told me like no you can't do that they
have always given they have given me a
push but with some you know some
boundaries to it like if you start this
make sure you don't do this they'll just
you know guide me through it right
whatever they have seen life so now that
they look back into it they are pretty
happy that I made that decision and they
they are happy that they didn't stop me
from doing it right
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so like a week ago I gifted my dad a
watch so yeah he's pretty happy nice
nice nice I know that's that's an
amazing
feeling yeah so um so show us um your
strategy a little bit how you how you
look at the markets so we can see how
how you trade a little
bit I always trade on H like whenever
I'm using trading view I make sure I'm
on Honda because they don't have the
gaps okay on the charts
yeah is you while we're looking at what
uh USD Canadian is that is that the only
pair you trade or do you do you look at
different
pairs uh basically uh most of the time I
trade trade
miners okay and I still do news trading
but I I feel I've mastered it now so my
current strategy
is can you see all these zones that I
made yep I see
everything yeah so basically my current
strategy
is I trade fully on technical like I
don't use news trading at all if I want
to do news trading that's a different
ball game but if I'm trading currency
pairs then it's all about uh uh
technical like Candlestick patterns
support and resistance all of
that so this is one of the examples that
I'll give these other zones that I have
marked they are supports and resistance
in the market for
example can you see this this line sir
yeah yeah it's a it's a strong
resistance if you can see yeah no matter
how back I go back so I know if the
market touch this point it's going to go
down and there are some other
confluences as well like the round
psychological level the the resistance
is at Round psychological level it's on
900 so I basically entered somewhere
here
okay yeah and the strategy contains a
lot of things for example like if I'm
entering a trade I'll
start top down analysis like I'll start
with the weekly chart weekly I'll mark
the aoi like the zones that I'm
interested like the area of Interest
then I'll come to daily on daily I'll
see a few things like if the market is
bearish or bullish long-term if all
three all of the confluences matches if
the market is on the weekly chart if the
market is bearish on the daily chart if
the market is bearish it's a sign that
the market is bearish in the long time
and I wait for a pullback in the market
I mark this zones place an alert if the
market takes a pullback it creates a
lower high and if the lower high has a
very strong rejection level for example
this as you can
see the
market market overall trend is
bearish the market took a pullback and
it's a Zone it's a heavy Zone
so from these zones I look for a entry
signal so I come to a time frame of 1
hour to 30 30 minutes because uh a daily
resistance the one hour chart has to
respect it because it's a daily
resistance so on a one hour chart I'll
come to the chart and see if there is a
bearish if there are entry signals
basically so if I find a bearish
engulfing or a Evening Star p pattern
that means the market is going to be
bearish so I look for all these
confluences and then I enter a trade so
my entry is somewhere around 900 the
market still there it's going to melt
down to your okay so this this current
strategy that you have now how long have
you been using this strategy for
now uh for a year now okay and this this
is where this is the strategy you you've
found success
for yeah I would say it has made me a
lot of money like okay good money okay
very good very good so two two questions
for
you the first question is in your three
years of trading right your currently
how do you feel it has it has changed
you right as a person and a aside from
Trading right in life maybe skills you
have acquired to help you in in other
places so trading has made me very
patient like I don't lose my patience at
all nowadays like you know because I've
seen the worst
so right right yeah so there is there
and other than that uh my psychology I
think personally like now that I'm 22 23
I would say my brain works like a
40-year old because of trading like the
time that I've spent in the markets it
has you know changed me throughout this
journey like in this three years 3 years
back I was a different person and now I
think I'm a different person right right
right yeah that's uh very um and you
know sometimes you you can only get
patient by you know seeing the crazy
things
and so you now right you've you've been
profitable you found success three years
of
experience somebody new who wants to
start trading right they come to you
they ask you questions what's your your
number one advice if they decide to
start trading uh you can never learn on
paper trading always trade with real
money because like I said 20% is a
strategy 80% is your psychology if you
don't lose money in the market you are
never going to be profitable that's my
number one strategy and secondly I would
say read as much books as you can
related to trading not related to
strategy basically you have to acquire
the mindset of a professional Trader how
you know like for example trading in the
zone it's it's a must read so right yeah
other than then trading in the zone
there are some few other books that I
have read uh Candlestick Bible it's a
mustre as well so all these books have
helped me a lot in my trading
Journey very good very
good Hamza it was it was a pleasure
speaking to you today it was a pleasure
hearing your story I'm sure it's going
to motivate and inspire a lot of people
who see this interview we're super proud
of you here at instant funding
congratulations on your first interview
we know it's the first of
many and we we hope to see you again uh
I would love to see you Manu all right
Hamza you have a good one thank you so
much for your time today bye take care
bye
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