GR Research B24 AC Cable Review Follow up [Entertainment]

Audio Science Review
9 Jun 202325:50

Summary

TLDRビデオでは、AmirがGR研究から送られたケーブルをレビューし、その安全性や設計の欠陥を指摘した。特に、安全認証の欠如やプラグの誤解を招くデザインに問題があると述べた。彼は、ケーブルが音楽に与える影響を測るために音楽ファイルを使用し、その結果、他のプレミアムケーブルと比べてわずかな抵抗の低下とノイズへの免疫性があるものの、音楽信号には変化が見られないと結論づけた。また、メーカーが主張する「オーディブルな違い」を科学的に証明する盲目テストを求める一方で、メーカーの反論ビデオは実質的な内容が乏しく、科学的根拠は示されていないと批判している。

Takeaways

  • 😀 アミールは、gr research社からケーブルのレビューを行い、ビデオでその反応に対処することを決めた。
  • 👕 彼は、地球が平らではないと示す特別なTシャツを着て、gr researchの創設者であるダニーが昔よく着ていたことを指摘した。
  • 🔌 彼はB24ケーブルについて述べ、安全認証がないこと、デザインが悪いこと、プラグのピンが太いことなどの問題点を挙げた。
  • 🎵 彼は、ケーブルを使用した音楽のキャプチャーを通じて、音楽的な違いはないと主張した。
  • 📊 彼は、ケーブルが他のプレミアムケーブルよりもわずかに低い抵抗値とノイズへの免疫性があることを確認したが、その影響は最小限だと述べた。
  • 🎧 彼は、ダニーが行ったビデオのコメントで行ったと主張する盲目テストの正当性について疑問を呈した。
  • 🔉 彼は、ケーブルが電気的なノイズを減らすと主張するが、ACケーブルは音楽信号を運ばないため、その重要性は低いと述べた。
  • 🛠️ 彼は、ケーブルの内部を示し、95%はロープで構成されており、ワイヤーはその周りに巻かれていると指摘した。
  • 🔍 彼は、ケーブルが電気的ノイズを減らすと主張するが、実際には音楽信号自体に変化がないことを示す正しいテストが行われていないと述べた。
  • 🚫 最後に、彼は、安全基準がないため、そのケーブルは使用しない方がよいと結論づけた。

Q & A

  • ビデオレビューで指摘されたケーブルの名称は何ですか?

    -B24ケーブルです。

  • レビュービデオで述べられている問題点は何ですか?

    -安全認証の欠如、デザインの不良、プラグの厚さが問題で、適切に接続できないことなどが指摘されています。

  • レビューアーが行ったテストの種類は何ですか?

    -レビューアーは音楽のnullテストと、ケーブルの抵抗やノイズへの耐性の測定を行っています。

  • レビューアーはケーブルが音楽信号に与える影響をどのように評価しましたか?

    -音楽信号の波形が変化しないことを示すために、音楽を異なるケーブルでキャプチャし比較したテストを行いました。

  • レビューアーはケーブルがノイズにどのような影響を与えるかどのように示しましたか?

    -特定のテストを通じて、ケーブルが外部からのノイズを少々減らすことができることを示しましたが、これは音楽信号に直接的な影響を与えるとは言えません。

  • レビューアーは製造業者のビデオレスポンスをどのように評価しましたか?

    -製造業者のビデオレスポンスは実質的な内容が少なく、主張がはっきりしていないと評価しています。

  • レビューアーはケーブルの「ブレイクイン」時間がなぜ不適切だと主張していますか?

    -ブレイクイン時間が特定の200時間であることの根拠が示されておらず、適切なテストが行われていないためです。

  • レビューアーはケーブルの安全性について何を指摘していますか?

    -ケーブルには安全認証がなく、設計上の問題があると指摘しています。これにより、使用する際に安全リスクが生じ得ます。

  • レビューアーは製造業者が主張する「聴こえる違い」に対する立証方法とは何ですか?

    -製造業者が主張する「聴こえる違い」を立証するためには、バイナラ盲テストを行って、聴覚的に検出できる違いが統計的に有意であることを示す必要があると指摘しています。

  • レビューアーはケーブルの性能を測るために推奨するテスト方法は何ですか?

    -音楽信号の変更を測るための正しいABテスト、ノイズレベルの測定、そして製品の仕様に応じた適切な使用テストを推奨しています。

Outlines

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🎤 オーディオケーブルレビューと反応

ビデオの冒頭では、Amirがオーディオ・ソングズ・レビューから来ており、数ヶ月前にGRリサーチ社からケーブルをレビューしたことを思い出す。そのレビューに対して、GRリサーチ社の創設者であるDannyがビデオで反応した。Amirは、Dannyが以前は地球が平らだと主張し、それに反対するTシャツを着ていたことを嘲笑った。Amirは、Dannyのビデオには実質的な内容が乏しく、レビューを求められたが、それに応えることにした。彼はB24ケーブルについて述べ、安全認証のない点やデザインの欠陥、特にプラグの厚みの問題を指摘した。また、ケーブルが音楽に与える影響を測るために行ったテストについても触れた。

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🔌 ACケーブルの機能とレビューの意義

Amirは、ACケーブルが音楽信号を運ばないことを強調し、Dannyの主張に対する反論を展開する。彼は、ACケーブルは音楽に与える影響を測るテストでは意味がないと主張し、Dannyのテスト方法に対する批判を述べる。また、Amirは、Dannyが行ったテストが不完全であり、実際の音楽信号に対する影響を示さないことを指摘する。Amirは、Dannyが行ったテストが騙しであり、正しいテスト方法を提案する。

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👂 ノイズキャンセルと聴覚閾の理解

Amirは、低周波ノイズのブロックが困難であり、それが壁や床を通過する原因であると説明する。また、Dannyの主張に反して、ノイズキャンセルが機能することを証明し、ノイズキャンセルヘッドホンがどのように働くかについても説明する。Amirは、Dannyが行ったテストが無効であると主張し、正しいテスト方法を提案する。

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🛠️ ケーブルのテストと聴覚実験の重要性

Amirは、Dannyが行ったテストが不十分であり、実際の音楽信号に対する影響を示さないことを指摘する。彼は、正しいテスト方法として、音楽信号の変更を示すABテストを提案し、聴覚実験の重要性を強調する。また、Amirは、Dannyが行ったテストが騙しであり、正しいテスト方法を提案する。

20:03

🏠 システム要件とケーブルの性能

Amirは、Dannyがシステム要件を主張し、特定のスピーカーや設置方法が必要としていることを批判する。Amirは、製品が宣伝されているとおりに機能することを期待し、顧客がそれを自分で確認できるようにすべきだと主張する。また、Amirは、Dannyが行ったテストが不十分であり、実際の音楽信号に対する影響を示さないことを指摘する。

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🚫 安全基準と製品の信頼性

Amirは、ケーブルが安全基準を満たしていないこと、特にULやCE認証の欠如を指摘し、これは製品の信頼性にとって重大な問題であると強調する。彼は、製品が安全でない場合、他の性能について議論する価値がないことを述べる。また、Amirは、Dannyが行ったテストが不十分であり、実際の音楽信号に対する影響を示さないことを指摘する。

Mindmap

Keywords

💡ケーブル

ケーブルはビデオの中心テーマであり、特にACケーブルやオーディオケーブルのパフォーマンスと品質が議論されています。ビデオでは、特定のケーブルが安全基準を満たしていないことや、設計上の欠陥があることなどが指摘されています。例えば、ビデオでは「このB24ケーブルは、安全認証がありません」と述べています。これは、製品の信頼性と安全性に関する重要な問題を提起しています。

💡安全認証

安全認証は、製品が特定の安全基準を満たしていることを示すマークや証明です。ビデオでは、レビューされたケーブルがULやCEなどの安全認証を有していないことが問題視されています。これは、消費者が安心して使用できる製品を選ぶ際に重要な基準となります。

💡設計

デザインは製品の外観、機能性、使いやすさに関するものです。ビデオでは、特定のケーブルのデザインが不適切であると指摘されています。特に、プラグのスリーブが前方にスライドし、誤って挿入されていると感じるという問題が挙げられています。これは、製品の使い勝手と信頼性を低下させる潜在的な欠陥です。

💡抵抗

抵抗は電気抵抗を指し、ケーブルやコンポーネントなどの電気的パフォーマンスに影響を与える要素です。ビデオでは、特定のケーブルが他のプレミアムケーブルよりもわずかに低い抵抗を有していることが述べられています。これは、ケーブルが電気信号をより効率的に伝達する可能性があることを示唆しています。

💡ノイズ

ノイズは、オーディオシステムで不要な雜音や干渉を指し、クリアなサウンド再生を妨げる要素です。ビデオでは、特定のケーブルがノイズに強い免疫力を持つと述べられていますが、その意味がはっきりしないままです。これは、ケーブルがオーディオパフォーマンスにおいて重要な役割を果たすかどうかについての議論の中心です。

💡双盲テスト

双盲テストは、試験の実行者と受验者双方がテストの条件を知らない状態で行われる試験です。ビデオでは、双盲テストが製品のオーディオパフォーマンスの客観的な評価に役立つと述べられています。これは、主観的なバイアスを排除して製品の効果を公正に評価する方法です。

💡オーディオ波形

オーディオ波形は、音の振動を視覚的に表現したもので、サウンドの質や特性を分析するのに使われます。ビデオでは、特定のケーブルを使用した際のオーディオ波形が変化しないことが示されており、これはケーブルがオーディオパフォーマンスに影響を与えないことを示唆しています。

💡測定

測定は、物理量や性能を正確に評価するために行われるプロセスです。ビデオでは、ケーブルの抵抗やノイズの測定が行われ、その結果が製品のパフォーマンスを評価するのに使われています。正確な測定は、製品の性能を科学的に評価する基礎となります。

💡フィルタリング

フィルタリングは、不要な信号やノイズを除去するプロセスです。ビデオでは、特定のケーブルがフィルタリング機能を有していると主張されていますが、それが科学的に支持されているかどうかが議論されています。オーディオデバイスやケーブルがフィルタリングを行えるかどうかは、オーディオパフォーマンスに直接的な影響を与える可能性があります。

💡オーディオ製品

オーディオ製品は、音楽や音声を再生または録音するデバイスを指し、ビデオではその品質とパフォーマンスが焦点となっています。ビデオでは、特定のケーブルがオーディオ製品のパフォーマンスに与える影響について議論されており、高品質のオーディオ製品が不要なケーブルアップグレードを必要としないことが示唆されています。

Highlights

Amir 回应了 GR 研究公司关于他之前评测的电缆视频

Amir 曾因 GR 研究公司创始人 Danny 常穿一件声称地球是平的 T 恤而批评他

Danny 制作了一个 40 分钟的视频回应 Amir 的评测

Amir 指出 B24 电源线没有安全认证,这是一个重大问题

B24 线缆设计存在缺陷,插头的套筒在插入时会滑动,造成误导

Amir 通过音乐测试和测量表明,B24 线缆与普通线缆在音质上没有差异

B24 线缆的电阻比其他高级线缆略低,但差异微乎其微

Amir 强调,即使电缆对噪声有一定的免疫性,这在实际应用中并不重要

Danny 在视频中声称电缆能减少噪声,但 Amir 认为这种说法含糊不清

Amir 批评 Danny 没有提供任何可以复现的测试结果来支持他的说法

Danny 声称他的电缆在盲测中表现良好,但没有提供具体的测试协议

Amir 指出,如果电缆真的能改善音质,应该有可测量和可复现的证据

Amir 展示了他的电缆噪声测试,证明 B24 线缆在特定条件下确实能减少噪声

Amir 强调,即使电缆能减少噪声,这种改善也远远低于人耳的听觉阈值

Danny 声称需要 200 小时的煲机时间,但 Amir 质疑这个数字的来源和合理性

Amir 认为,如果电缆需要煲机,那么应该由制造商完成,而不是消费者

Danny 声称只有高端系统才能体验到电缆的改善,Amir 认为这与产品宣传不符

Amir 呼吁进行双盲测试来验证电缆的音质改善,而不是依赖个人的主观听感

Amir 总结,他的测试既全面又科学,而 GR 研究公司的视频缺乏实质性内容

Transcripts

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hello everyone this is Amir from audio

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songs review I did a review of a cable

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uh from a company called gr research uh

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a few months ago and a company recently

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posted a video responding to that and I

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made a number of points and I thought

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I'd do a video and address them

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um in that video I wore a special shirt

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from goes by now from NASA that says you

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know Earth is not flat uh we've been up

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there and we've seen it there isn't a

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word that is because the company founder

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Danny used to wear that t-shirt all the

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time and say anybody that followed audio

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science must believe that the Earth is

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flat and it would wear this t-shirt

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which made no sense uh thankfully he

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doesn't do that anymore

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anyway

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um he produced this 40 minute video

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and I originally wasn't going to respond

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to it because there's hardly anything of

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substance in his uh video but some of

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the members asked that I respond to it

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and I decided that I should go ahead and

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do that and so I marked this for

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entertainment I'm not sure that there is

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a whole lot of uh you know technical

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knowledge being imparted that certainly

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not in his video but maybe get a few

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things out of it and looks like I uh uh

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couldn't spell my own name on top of

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that so you could do this value of this

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video anyway uh so let me just summarize

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this cable this B24 cable it's a power

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cable has been set to uh use it with

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your Source components I used it for a

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pre-amplifier

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I'm just summarizing the issues that I

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found was that it has no safety

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certification uh you buy even a you know

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one dollar power cable and it will have

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UL or a CE certification there's none

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here and that's a big major issue it's

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got a poor design and it's got this

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sleeve on it that as you try to plug it

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in the sleeve slides forward and makes

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you think that you actually plug it in

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when you haven't and that is Complicated

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by uh by the fact that the pins on this

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out uh plug that he's got are too thick

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the ground pin is too wide to fit even

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in my industrial trip light uh

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um power strip that I use and I had to

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force it with such energy that this slid

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forward and the company says this was

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glued I don't know how you glue shrink

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wrap with uh here or whatever is inside

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of it either way I've seen and owned

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premium power cables none of them have

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this kind of you know hokey sleeve on

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them

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um uh on this thing are you uh knowing

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that that would get pushback from him

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and others on on uh was reviewing this

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cable I did not lead with measurements

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actually now uh LED with a null test of

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music so I took music uh captured it

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with a cheap thin long uh throw away a c

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chord and then I captured it with this

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cable and as you'll see and I'll review

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again that there is no difference

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between it too measurements proved the

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same thing that the audio waveforms

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coming out of the uh preamp that I was

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testing did not change my IO one iota

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there were two positives it did have

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slightly lower resistance than the other

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two premium cables and certainly from

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the thin cable but the difference was

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extremely minimal as far as the impact

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it has and I'll get into that and I

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measured that it is more immune to noise

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um but I'll again explain why that's not

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Material

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if you watch the company's video he

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makes a number of planes and but then he

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also goes in the comments and

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exaggerates some of those claims and

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adds to him

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um I'll be going through all of this

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thing you could just sort of glance at

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it but it's ambiguous what he's saying

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half the time like he says noise is

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reduced noise in what direction uh if no

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is going into AC cable why do I care

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about noise going into an AC cable for

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example uh it's not a you know carrying

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musical signal there's a noise going out

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so not very precise and that you know

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the any improvements in this cable makes

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can't be measured and interestingly

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enough he makes it a given that he makes

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an audible difference therefore anything

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that you say that would invalidate that

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would say that what you're saying is

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wrong so if you say uh you know look why

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can't I measure this thing he says well

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your measurements are wrong because I

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know that there's audible difference so

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if your measurement doesn't show it you

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know the uh that's your problem not mine

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which is kind of silly he also claims

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when people ask them to do a blind test

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in the comments he says oh I've passed

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hundreds of them he's passed hundreds of

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them but we don't have a single one of

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them showing this power cable making a

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difference and and important what

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protocol is used in that blind test

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so it starts off with saying I'll have

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an agenda I told him in my comment and

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that's kind of silly to make that point

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you have an agenda you're selling a

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cable and you're patting yourself on the

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back that you're the expert and you have

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Golden Ears and that you think you know

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it it makes a difference like don't

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bring your gender into this discussion

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because you know you you have a serious

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agenda on my part I showed the good with

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the bad I didn't have to do that I could

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have just ignored some of the good

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things it does with noise reduction and

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uh and uh lower resistance but I did and

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the difference between two of us is that

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you know I'm not here to make a living

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off of this uh gig there are no ads for

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this video there's no sponsorship

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there's nothing on audio science review

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either on this thing so

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but put all that aside everything I do

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you know people can replicate and and

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confirm unlike his claims we can't you

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know he says I hear the difference well

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Greg we don't know how to confirm that

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but with mine when I show null tests and

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measurements everybody can confirm my

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stuff and if I keep uh you know cooking

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these things people will find out that

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I'm cooking them and and helping out a

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business uh literally speaking and this

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thing so

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um you know there's a big difference

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there anyway

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um first thing starts with hey you need

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200 hour breaking how stupid of Amir to

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to not do the 200 hour break and

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um and my first answer to that is where

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the 200 come from why isn't it 150 why

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is it 180 300 500 where'd that number

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come from it's a very specific number

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which means it was measured if this

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measure tells how it was measured how

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did you determine that that 200 or

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something magic happened uh or even

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close to it why isn't it 50 hours or 10

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hours uh nothing like that was provided

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other than just declaring that you need

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200 hours

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um key thing to understand is that AC

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cables don't carry your music so while

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some people claim you know things happen

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to your inner connection speaker cables

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well none of that matters for a power

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cable power cable just carries raw power

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and it's pretty dirty coming out of your

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wall and uh you know what are you doing

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with with forming the you know the uh

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insulator or whatever people are client

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uh on this thing one big disappointment

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for me personally was that he showed

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what's inside the cable and it's this

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just this thick rope and this jacket

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which means 95 of what you think you're

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buying is actually not wire the wire is

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actually much thinner it's wrapped

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around this this rope so you're paying

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for a thick rope with some wire wrapped

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around it uh on this thing so you can go

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make your own then you know just advice

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I'm broken and wrap the wire around it

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with this jacket around it but it's very

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typical of how everybody thinks they

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should make all these companies sell

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premium cables think the thicker the

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better and it is people just intuitively

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think y'all must be bigger better cable

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so that you put a thick rope in the

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middle anyway

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um if this is required how come there

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are people pricing the cable as soon as

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they get to this that they sound

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improving that somebody said that in the

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comments why doesn't he complain and say

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well you didn't break it in so what your

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heart was invalid you got to let it go

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for 200 hours what if 200 hours it gets

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worse not better

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and then finally if it needs 200 hours

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you do it you're charging me 400 for

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this cable you burn it in for a week

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whatever needs to happen you do it if

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you need to run over with the tank run

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over with the tank don't make it my

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problem to go do this uh you know I

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expect you to sell me what you advertise

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to be which is it sounds great so uh you

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know you should do that

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okay

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um he then claims the only bit of

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technical that it brings to this 40

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minute video is this test that actually

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turned out to be incomplete he says you

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can't null noise but my null test wasn't

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the purpose wasn't to show that noise

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had changed although if it had you could

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have seen that but that the music itself

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had not changed a lot of people get

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these things because say the base is

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tighter the sound stays wider deeper for

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all those things to happen the musical

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signal needs to change the way we detect

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depth is based on sound intensity and

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timing difference between what our two

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ears pick up and that for the musical

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content has to change for the two years

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to hear some different and have a

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perception of Sound State changing and

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uh so that's my null test and I'll show

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you in a second what the null test

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showed and was that the musical content

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did not change if you want to climb to

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the noise level went down right that's a

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different story but let's continue with

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the test here on to prove his point that

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now you can't null test excuse me he

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goes in his room and points a microphone

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to the capturing the noises in his room

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excuse me and uh he takes a snapshot

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freezes it in green and then it runs

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another one for use it in white and he

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says look if I subtract one from the

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other noise wouldn't be reduced well

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first he doesn't do the subtraction it's

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like you're going to do a notice do an

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out that shows that the subtraction

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didn't do anything if he had done it he

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actually would have noticed that it will

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actually do some noise reduction why

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does it do noise reduction because if

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you look at in here first the spectrum

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of noise is not flat it raises in low

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frequencies and it goes down to higher

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frequencies that's because low

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frequencies can't be blocked easily

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they're on the directional on the travel

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far they go through walls and floors and

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so forth and uh unlike electronic noise

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which tends to be quite random and quite

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wide spectrum oops

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uh on this thing so

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um and uh the more important thing is

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that if you actually look in here you

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see specific events happening in here

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it's not a random thing this spike is

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there in both instances uh on this thing

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the reason for that is that we call this

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correlated noise a lot of noise like

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this is coming maybe from a compressor

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for an air conditioner that's traveling

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through and that motor's spinning at

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certain frequency it actually generates

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what we think is noise but when you

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analyze it with a spectrum you actually

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see that discuss the pattern to it uh

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that has to do with the motor design and

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everything and uh you know and that's

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what noise canceling headphones search

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for and and uh reduce the level and

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that's what noise canceling headphone

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works it takes advantage of correlation

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and noise and reduces it by his uh claim

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noise canceling headphones wouldn't work

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because you can't reduce noise and

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indeed that's what noise cancer

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headphones do they detect a pattern and

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make an inverse signal and subtract it

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and and you get a noise reduction in

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there so the whole little test in here

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was bogus it was like you know smoking

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mirrors designed to say I know something

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about something but completely wrong

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domain you don't use acoustic noises

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example of noise cancellation where

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noise cancellation does work you want to

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use electronic products go ahead and

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test the audio product with the two

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cables and then show us the Spectrum

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difference in noise you climb noise is

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reduced okay plug in the two cables if

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you have instrumentation show us the

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noise before and after and and then

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we'll be convinced look at my now tests

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on this Vivaldi track and look at the

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difference between the two it's pure

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noise at extremely low levels over here

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and this is well below uh 16 bits you

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know you can see 93.5 DB no and it's

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just Pure Noise if you click on these

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things you won't even hear it unless you

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have a very high gain preamp this proves

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that you can't there's nothing that's

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happened in the music itself and this is

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what you kind of test you run if you're

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going to climb sound stages change and

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all these other benefits you got to do a

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proper test and this is a proper test of

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a b of two cables it is not an AB of a

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microphone noise before and after in his

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room which has nothing to do with

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anything

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okay he then goes into this whole you

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know patting himself on his back you

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need to have the right system to hear

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this and like mine uh where you have

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expensive speakers or moved away from

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the walls and all this stuff I'm like

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well if those are the requirements why

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don't you put that in the brochure or

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website saying that hey you don't have

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this kind of system don't buy this uh if

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you're not using my speakers don't buy

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them if you're not going to put them

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away from the walls don't buy it none of

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that is in there and these people claim

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to plug it into any old system any

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crappy system or good about it different

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and they'll hear differences so

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therefore his claim that you need these

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systems is wrong or these people are

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wrong that they say they hear a

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difference and then he makes fun of me

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using uh headphones to hear differences

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well I needed to use headphones because

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I wanted to hear that noise that I just

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showed you in here and it's extremely

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low level to hear that noise you put a

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sealed headphone on your head and then

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use a headphone amp with a lot of gain

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that is extremely low noise itself and

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then then you crank it up and what I

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hear is just exactly you know what I

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described which is just background noise

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is extremely low level that is

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definitely not all about normal levels

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uh he claims headphones are no good it's

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like well you know you haven't read a

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single piece of research paper every

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lossy audio code like many DSP

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algorithms even Acoustics researchers

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done with headphones because they block

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the noise let you put and listen at much

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higher level and get sort of inclusively

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crosstalk so each headphone you know

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brings one signal to each year on this

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thing no it's not good to detect there's

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a Sound Stage difference or whatever in

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a classical sense you use speakers for

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that but for that I'll use an altest and

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I showed that a musical signal had not

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changed on this thing okay

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then he uh jumps on the fact that I did

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show that there's uh less noise being

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induced into the cable and the way I

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induce cable is that I took a giant

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Transformer uh that comes with my uh

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stack uh with my petrol measurement

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system and I got that aligned perfectly

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right next to the cable and then I

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measured the cable as an interconnect so

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it was hooked up to the input and output

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of my audio Precision analyzer and then

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I compared his cable against this

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generic thing cable that I was doing and

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indeed his cable picks up less noise

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from that Transformer that's generating

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this huge magnetic field right next to

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it worst case situation and I show the

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difference so yes there's something to

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the geometry of that cable versus

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another versus the generic one that

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picks up less noise but we gotta put

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that in context and in context here is

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the screen graph which you didn't

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understand or ignored which is showing

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the threshold of hearing in here

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relative to the playback level of your

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system and when I do that the noise from

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all of these cables if used as an

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interconnect which we don't use an AC

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cables and they're gonna it's well below

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threshold of audibility so both power

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cables actually fully transparent if

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they use if you change the termination

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and use them as as a interconnect there

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still would be totally silent uh on this

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thing so and that's why we don't hear

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this kind of thing routinely right they

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don't you know if people build good

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systems they don't walk around bragging

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about how great their system is but oh

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by the way I hear all this humming noise

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it's like no you're not hearing that

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because our hearing threshold is very

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poor and Ned and by the way you know let

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me go back to his thing all this noise

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how come he you know he doesn't hear him

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right this is his room and look at how

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much the low frequency noise it has that

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goes way into uh 60 hertz the domain

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that I was measuring and this is silent

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to his ear because our hearing sucks in

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this region uh on that thing okay

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so that's that so yes there's the

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configuration whatever weave he used

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created some kind of twisted pair thing

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um so it has a little bit of immunity

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extra immunity it still picked up Noise

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by the way is this blue here versus the

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red so it wasn't like it didn't pick up

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anything

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um

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then he this notion of noise gets

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repeated over and over and over again

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that these cable is reducing noise

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either reducing noise being fed into the

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power supply he claims that the cable is

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acting as a filter if the cables as a

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filter just measures frequency response

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if I design a low pass or high pass

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filter it shows that just hook it up to

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a AC Mains and measure that or

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artificial segment show that or just

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show ambient noise I've measured

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um you know the hopping a90s output and

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I show that it makes no difference

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whatsoever with his cable versus another

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cable why because even when I use

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products that do filter they income in

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noise I see Zero difference on an output

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of audio device why because the first

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thing an audio device does a Converse AC

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to DC and that processor converting to

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DC which means it never changes and

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requires filtering and filtering at 10

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20 30 volts whatever audio copen

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requires is far far far easier than

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filtering 120 volts or 240 volts and at

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any rate there is no filtering mechanism

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here whatsoever there's nothing in there

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then this cable has no Active Components

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in it no passive components it's just

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wire wire doesn't do any filtering it

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just carries the current on on AC okay

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then the other claim this is you know

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favorite of many so improvements can't

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be measured uh first let's start with

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you know hey it wasn't that convenient

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that you say can't be measured therefore

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you start off with oh you can't ever

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disprove that my cable does anything

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um interesting enough Danny main

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business is taking people's speakers and

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building crossover mods for it and I

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shouldn't say main business some of his

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business is there and but he never

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listens to it he says look here's a

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measurement before and his measurement

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after you all go build this mod just

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going to make your speaker sound better

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really I mean what if it doesn't what if

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it screwed up the directivity what if it

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increased Distortion uh you don't listen

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you don't need to listen you trust

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measurements so implicitly so strongly

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but when it comes to measuring noise in

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a cable all of a sudden your

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measurements are no good I just showed

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you noise measurement it's just trivial

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to measure noise and if you can't

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measure noise then get out of noise

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reduction business uh on this thing so

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he says you know obviously you know we

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veils are removed and all this stuff

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it's like great veils are on all that

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removed and should be trivial to do that

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testing and prove first that there is an

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audible difference if there's an audible

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difference when bias has been removed

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knowledge of which cable is being used

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removed and statistically significant

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then we can go back and find a

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measurement to to see if the

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measurements work so it doesn't work and

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until then my null test wins because you

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know it shows conclusively that there's

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nothing there

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um

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so we go back to this thing again of

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audible differences exists and review

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must be wrong it's like great you're

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selling me water as you know that you

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say you put you know gas tank in a car

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makes it Go twice as fast and I say

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approve that you say well no I'm just

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going to say it and if you found out

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that that didn't work then it's your

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problem it's like no it's not my problem

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you have to first show me the audible

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difference reliably exists and if you

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can't do that then it's no good and by

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the way the test to do that is not to

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keep saying I'm here you come over and

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listen I'm not going to go to your place

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and listen it's your job to run this

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business and if you want to run a

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business properly show proof points that

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your your products do something and the

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right solution to that isn't to say I

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hear it with my own double-blind test

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that we can't verify bring a group of

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people audio files I'm sure he has local

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audio files that even people who risk

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customers bring them in bring half a

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dozen people in and then run around by a

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set of trials in there at least 10 times

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and see if nine out of 10 times these

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people can even detect which cables in

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use no I don't trust him running a test

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like that or somebody else going in

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there have been doing there's so many

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ways to have a talent these kinds of

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tests where you can listen for the sound

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or something or something moving or

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whoever's running it is not careful

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enough and leaves a way for the person

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like him that's sharp and smart and is

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looking for every opportunity to say

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there's a difference to to find a towel

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in there and so let's just remove all

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that and just have you know audio files

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out there with Golden Ears or otherwise

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bring them in but run a completely blind

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test control test and repeat it many

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times don't just do it once or twice and

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start with that no uh cable company in

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the world has ever run this kind of test

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simple enough how long does it take it

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takes less time to do this than to make

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that 40 minute video uh bring people in

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you know and just run these things have

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them have a scorecard where they write

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down which cables which and just do 10

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times you know two or three minutes each

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40 minutes you're done show that proof

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to us don't make 40 minute videos just

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you know talking about stuff that

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doesn't exist

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okay

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um he then makes a claim that you can't

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run double blind tests because the

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person switching the cables knows that

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he's switching the cables to me it's

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just fine okay we'll make an exception

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for you

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um make sure whoever's doing that cable

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switching is not an audio file is not

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involved in any of this claims you get a

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random person off the street come in

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maybe somebody works in your Warehouse

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or whatever and he does we tell them

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what to do and how he's supposed to do

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it so that is behind the curtain and you

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know nobody can tell and I trust that as

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a first order approximation of the

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testing that we want to do we could of

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course use a relay based switching and

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but I'm sure he's going to say the relay

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changes the sound so really it's not

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good and at any rate It's Tricky relays

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make a different sound when they close

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ones versus when they open so if you're

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smart you can actually listen for that

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so yeah just use a person to switch

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cables and you know get it done that's

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the video I like to see him do not this

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kind of video

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so to summarize this and keeping my

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video shorter than this uh the testing I

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did was extremely comprehensive he

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covered both measurements and also the

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sound with music with three tracks with

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with the tracks actually provided to

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people to perform control double blind

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tests you know he said oh people listen

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to my difference the two sample files

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and say they sounded different yeah I'm

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sure you you I actually said that in the

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review that some people listen to A and

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B and say they sound different but put

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them behind a double blind comparator

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and then run 10 times let's see if you

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can still hear the difference that's

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what he didn't do that's what those

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listeners have not done

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um and uh you know I started with null

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test a whole bunch of his comments on

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his video people back and I'm saying oh

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measurements are good measurements are

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no good okay well I'll run anal test it

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wasn't based on measurements

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measurements were you know supporting

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casts on this thing there are no proof

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points in the 40 minutes whatsoever

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there's just nothing there from the

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company to pack anything uh typically

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when I do these tests proper companies

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replicate the measurements replicated

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testing and bring a different set of

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test results when they do then I'll work

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with them find out if I made a mistake

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they made a mistake here's just making

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up stuff of how about this how about

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that see what sticks on this thing no

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measurements are provided to counter

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mine no null tests are provided

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whatsoever and key thing is this every

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time somebody talks to you about this

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and that technical

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topic about cables power cables or power

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products remind them look my coupon is

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not amplifying AC

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is converted to DC as a means to make

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Electronics do what they do employ if

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you get a crappy audio product that lets

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noise in for some reason this power

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cable isn't going to help you because it

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does no filtering whatsoever of anything

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coming in and you know if it did you're

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going to spend 400 to improve some

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crappy piece of electronics

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Chuck the crappy piece of electronics

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buy hundreds of products that I

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recommend that are not crappy and don't

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need any special cable in to perform

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what they do and by the way none of my

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expensive instruments come with any kind

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of fancy cables or benefit from this

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cable you think audio Precision with 28

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000 instrument couldn't afford to put a

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hundred dollar Cable in there to make

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things better if it reduced noise or

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just key metric for an analyzer they

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will so and then finally let's say all

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these arguments are true this cable is

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crap excuse my friend says crap you

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can't plug it in it destroys your

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Outlets it can be unsafe it is not

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doesn't have safety regulations I don't

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care what else it does it is not a

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proper cable to use

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okay hopefully this was part of titanium

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somewhat useful for you I really wanted

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to do more technical topics reviews but

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here I am okay see you in a future video

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bye-bye

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