What is Religion?

Let's Talk Religion
21 Aug 202215:57

Summary

TLDRThis script delves into the complexity of defining 'religion,' highlighting the lack of a unified academic consensus. It critiques early definitions for their biases and explores perspectives from anthropologists like Tylor, Durkheim, and Weber, who emphasize religion's psychological and social roles. The script challenges the Western-centric view, urging a broader understanding that recognizes religion's diversity and evolution over time and across cultures.

Takeaways

  • 😯 There is no universally agreed-upon definition of religion in academia, making it one of the most challenging questions to answer definitively.
  • 📚 Early anthropological definitions, such as Edward B. Tylor's, have been criticized for being biased and problematic, often reflecting a Christian or Protestant perspective.
  • đŸ€” Influential thinkers like Emile Durkheim and Max Weber offered different perspectives on religion, with Weber viewing it as a psychological phenomenon and Durkheim as a social one.
  • 🙏 Durkheim's view emphasizes that religious symbols and rituals serve to strengthen group identity and social belonging, similar to national flags.
  • 💡 The importance of practice and performance in religion is highlighted, suggesting that actions often precede beliefs and rationalization.
  • 📖 Clifford Geertz provided a celebrated definition of religion as a system of symbols that establishes moods and motivations in people, influenced by Weber's perspective.
  • 🏠 Abby Day introduced the term 'believing in belonging,' suggesting that social identity and belonging are central to religious belief and practice.
  • 🌏 The concept of religion is Western and influenced heavily by Christianity, which can lead to misunderstandings when applied to other religions.
  • 🔄 Religions are internally diverse and change over time and place, with no single interpretation or practice being universal within a religion.
  • 🌐 The distinction between religion and culture is not always clear, with the two being intertwined and influencing each other significantly.
  • 🌟 The script encourages a nuanced and complex understanding of religion, recognizing its diversity and evolution, and the importance of context in its study.

Q & A

  • Why is defining 'religion' considered a difficult task in academia?

    -Defining 'religion' is difficult because there is no official, agreed-upon definition in scholarship or academia. It involves various perspectives and interpretations that can vary greatly, making it a complex and multifaceted concept.

  • What problem arises from Edward B. Tylor's definition of religion as 'belief in supernatural beings'?

    -Tylor's definition is problematic because it is biased towards a Christian or Protestant perspective and assumes that all religious beliefs are attempts to explain natural phenomena, which is an outdated and limited view.

  • How did Emile Durkheim and Max Weber approach the study of religion differently?

    -Emile Durkheim viewed religion as a social phenomenon that strengthens group identity and organization, while Max Weber saw religion as a psychological phenomenon, a coping strategy for humans to create meaning in a seemingly meaningless world.

  • What does Clifford Geertz's definition of religion emphasize?

    -Geertz's definition emphasizes that religion is a system of symbols which establish moods and motivations in people by formulating conceptions of a general order of existence, making these conceptions seem realistic.

  • What does Abby Day's concept of 'believing in belonging' suggest about religion?

    -Abby Day's concept suggests that religion is primarily about social belonging and identity formation, with belief being a matter of performative identity and social relationships.

  • Why is the term 'religion' considered a Western concept?

    -The term 'religion' is considered a Western concept because it is largely influenced by the Christian environment and is often used to interpret and understand other religions from a Christian-centric framework.

  • What issues arise when trying to apply a Christian framework to non-Christian religions?

    -Applying a Christian framework to non-Christian religions can oversimplify and misrepresent these religions, as it assumes they follow the same model of having a founder, sacred scripture, and established theology, which is not always the case.

  • How does Talal Asad challenge the separation of religion and culture?

    -Talal Asad argues that the idea of religion and culture being separate is a modern invention, and that in reality, they are infinitely intertwined and can be one and the same thing.

  • What does the script suggest about the diversity and evolution of religions?

    -The script suggests that all religions are internally diverse and change over time and place. They are not fixed entities but are continually shaped by the people who practice them and the contexts in which they exist.

  • Why is it important to consider multiple perspectives when studying religion?

    -Considering multiple perspectives is important because it acknowledges the complexity and diversity of religious beliefs and practices, and helps to avoid oversimplification and misinterpretation from a single cultural or academic viewpoint.

  • What role do practices and performances play in the understanding of religion according to the script?

    -According to the script, practices and performances are crucial in understanding religion as they continually shape and create the religion itself. It suggests that actions come first, and beliefs are rationalized afterward.

Outlines

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đŸ€” The Elusive Definition of Religion

The paragraph discusses the complexity of defining religion, noting that despite its common usage, there is no universally accepted definition in academia. It highlights the limitations of early definitions, such as Edward B. Tylor's, which focused on belief in supernatural beings but was criticized for its Christian-centric bias. The paragraph also introduces the perspectives of Emile Durkheim and Max Weber, who respectively viewed religion as a social phenomenon and a psychological coping mechanism. It emphasizes the importance of practice and performance in religion, suggesting that actions often precede beliefs.

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📚 Evolution of Religious Definitions

This paragraph continues the exploration of religion's definition by mentioning Clifford Geertz's influential definition, which sees religion as a system of symbols that create moods and motivations. It contrasts this with Abby Day's concept of 'believing in belonging,' which suggests that religious belief is primarily about social identity and belonging. The paragraph also addresses the Western-centric bias in understanding religion, pointing out that applying a Christian framework to other religions can lead to misunderstandings and oversimplification.

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🌏 Cultural and Contextual Influences on Religion

The third paragraph delves into how cultural and contextual factors shape religious beliefs and practices. It challenges the Western notion of religion as a distinct category, separate from culture, by arguing that religion and culture are deeply intertwined. The paragraph uses Islam as an example to show how religious practices can vary significantly across different cultures. It also discusses the internal diversity within religions and how they evolve over time, emphasizing that religions are not static but are constantly shaped by the people and contexts in which they exist.

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🔍 Understanding Religion's Complexity

The final paragraph summarizes the complexity of defining and understanding religion. It acknowledges the ongoing debate and the need for a nuanced approach to studying religion. The speaker encourages viewers to consider the various perspectives and to maintain an open mind regarding the definition and nature of religion. The paragraph concludes with a call for a scholarly and neutral approach to understanding religion's role in society, both historically and in the present.

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Keywords

💡Religion

Religion is a complex and multifaceted concept that encompasses a system of beliefs, practices, rituals, and moral codes. In the video, the term is explored as not having a universally agreed-upon definition, indicating its complexity and the challenges in defining it. The script discusses various perspectives on religion, from belief in supernatural beings to social phenomena and psychological coping mechanisms.

💡Supernatural beings

Supernatural beings refer to entities that are considered to exist outside the natural laws of the world. The video mentions how early anthropologist Edward B. Tylor defined religion as a belief in such beings, which, while a common perspective, is critiqued for its bias towards a Christian or Protestant viewpoint and for oversimplifying the concept of religion.

💡Emile Durkheim

Emile Durkheim was a French sociologist who viewed religion as a social phenomenon. The script references his perspective that religion serves to create a sense of social belonging and strengthens group identity. Durkheim's view is contrasted with other scholars' perspectives to highlight the diversity of interpretations on religion's role in society.

💡Max Weber

Max Weber was a German sociologist who approached religion as a psychological phenomenon. He saw religion as a human attempt to create meaning in a seemingly meaningless world, serving as a coping strategy for existential questions. The video script uses Weber's perspective to discuss how religion can be a means of dealing with life's complexities and uncertainties.

💡Clifford Geertz

Clifford Geertz was an American anthropologist known for his influential definition of religion. The video script quotes Geertz's definition, which describes religion as a system of symbols that establish moods and motivations by formulating conceptions of existence. This definition is highlighted for its comprehensiveness and its influence on religious studies.

💡Practice and performance

Practice and performance refer to the actions and rituals that are part of religious observance. The video emphasizes that religion is not just about belief but is also about what people do, with practices shaping and creating the religion. This perspective is supported by the argument that the performance of rituals is primary, with theoretical or symbolic meanings being secondary.

💡Believing in belonging

The term 'believing in belonging' is introduced by Abby Day to suggest that people's religious beliefs are primarily about their social belonging and identity. This concept is explored in the video as an alternative to viewing religion solely as a set of beliefs, emphasizing the social and performative aspects of religious life.

💡Western concept

The video discusses how the term 'religion' and its understanding are rooted in Western, particularly Christian, contexts. This perspective influences how scholars define and study religion, often leading to a Christian-centric framework that may not be applicable to non-Christian religions. The script argues for a more nuanced approach that acknowledges the diversity and cultural contexts of religious practices.

💡Internal diversity

Internal diversity within religions is a concept highlighted in the video, emphasizing that no religion is monolithic and that there are multiple interpretations and practices within any given religious tradition. This diversity is seen as a natural part of religious evolution and adaptation to different cultural contexts.

💡Evolution and change

The video script addresses how religions evolve and change over time and place. It argues against the view of religions as static entities, instead presenting them as dynamic and adaptable, shaped by the people who practice them and the contexts in which they exist. This perspective challenges the idea of religions as having fixed beliefs and practices.

💡Cultural context

Cultural context is crucial in understanding how religions manifest and are interpreted. The video script discusses how the same religion can look very different in different cultural settings, such as Islam in Morocco versus Indonesia. It suggests that religion and culture are not separate but intertwined, influencing each other in complex ways.

Highlights

The complexity of defining 'religion' and the lack of an official, agreed-upon definition in academia.

Early anthropological attempts to define religion, such as Edward B. Tylor's definition focusing on belief in supernatural beings.

The problems with Tylor's definition, including its Christian-centric bias and the assumption that religion is a failed attempt to explain natural phenomena.

Max Weber's view of religion as a psychological phenomenon and a coping strategy for existential questions.

Émile Durkheim's perspective on religion as a social phenomenon that strengthens group identity and organization.

The importance of practice and performance in religion, as opposed to just belief.

Clifford Geertz's influential definition of religion as a system of symbols that create moods and motivations in people.

Critiques of Geertz's definition for potentially overlooking the social aspect of religion.

Abby Day's concept of 'believing in belonging' and the role of social relationships in religious belief.

The western concept of 'religion' and how it is influenced by a Christian framework.

The challenges of applying a Christian-centric framework to non-Christian religions, such as Hinduism.

The cultural diversity within religions and the problems with trying to fit all religions into a single mold.

The modern western confinement of religion to a specific place in society, separate from other aspects like politics and culture.

Tala Asad's argument against the separation of religion and culture, suggesting they are intertwined and not distinct categories.

The internal diversity and evolution of religions over time and place, challenging the idea of fixed religious doctrines.

The importance of understanding the fluidity and context-dependency of religious practices and beliefs.

The call for an academic and neutral approach to studying religion, avoiding cultural biases and oversimplifications.

Transcripts

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you know on this channel we talk about

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all kinds of topics relating to religion

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we talk about specific religions and

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their history and their teachings we

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talk about incredibly niche topics and

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figures within different religions but

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one rather important thing that most of

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us don't really do much is ask a

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deceptively simple question

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what is religion

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some of you listening might immediately

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have some answer to this question

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religion is belief in god or gods

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religions are organized structures of

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worship religion is opium for the masses

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and whatever but don't be fooled this is

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actually one of the hardest questions

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that we can ask as serious students of

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religion and a question that no one

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seems capable of fully answering

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the blunt fact is there is no official

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agreed-upon definition of religion in

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scholarship or academia i'll repeat that

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there is no official agreed upon

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definition of the word religion

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you can look up the word in a dictionary

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all you want but all you'll find is

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usually a half-baked problematic

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definition that most scholars probably

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won't agree with religion is a

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fascinating thing because it is a

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concept that everyone kind of knows what

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it is when we talk about religion we all

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essentially know what it is that we're

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talking about but as soon as we get down

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to actually defining it properly things

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start to fall apart now that isn't to

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say that people haven't tried to define

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it

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certainly they have and they still do

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there have been plenty of attempts to

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define religion or of figuring out what

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religion is all about

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an early example is the anthropologist

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edward b tyler who defined religion as

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quote belief in supernatural beings

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a definition that most of you might not

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find any issue with but which actually

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comes with a lot of problems not only

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does it look at religion from a very

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christian or specifically protestant

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perspective a point that we'll return to

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later but also betrays a very strong

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bias

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this is also confirmed when reading

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tyler more closely and realizing that

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his argument is essentially that all

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religious beliefs appeared as failed

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attempts to explain natural phenomena

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another rather outdated perspective that

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isn't very helpful in exploring the

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history of religion and religious belief

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more influential were other thinkers

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from the same period like emile durkheim

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and max weber who provided two different

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yet pervasive ways of looking at

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religion

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weber saw religion as more of a

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psychological phenomenon as essentially

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the human attempt of creating meaning in

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a seemingly meaningless world it becomes

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like a coping strategy to deal with

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difficult questions like death and the

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meaning of life

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durkheim on the other hand saw religion

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essentially as a social phenomenon

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religion its symbols its structures and

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all its rituals serve to create a sense

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of social belonging of strengthening

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group identity and organization

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two durkheim and those following his

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line of thought religious symbols like

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gods or totems function in similar ways

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to say a national flag they are symbols

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under which a group of people can unite

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and which can increase and authenticate

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their sense of belonging and identity

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this is a very powerful and helpful

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perspective and this kind of behavior

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can be confirmed in experiments etc but

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it still comes with a lot of problems of

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its own too

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if religion is nothing but symbols of

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group belonging then what makes a

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religion different from nationality

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is americanism a religion is football or

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soccer a religion they all have symbols

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and practices under which a group of

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people unite to create and strengthen

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group belonging so that should make them

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religions right most people wouldn't

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define them as religions

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these are the kind of problems that

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scholars to this day are struggling with

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when we try to define the word religion

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but thinkers like durkheim and weber did

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one thing much better than a person like

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tyler and that was to include the

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importance of practice and performance

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indeed in my opinion as well as in the

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opinion of many scholars in the field

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religion is much more about what we do

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rather than the things we believe

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religions are performed and embodied

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through practices that continually shape

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and create that religion

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research shows that even in a specific

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thing like rituals the performing of the

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ritual itself comes first and the theory

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or symbolic meaning of the ritual is

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secondary in other words we as creatures

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do things first and we rationalize our

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actions after the fact rather than the

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other way around

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this seems to go against how we perceive

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how these things go but there is a lot

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to suggest that it is indeed so

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now building on the work of people like

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weber and durkheim there have been many

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scholars over the last century who have

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continually improved and studied this

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topic deeper to allow for new

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perspectives

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some famous examples include the

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american anthropologist clifford geertz

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who followed more in the line of max

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weber but gave us one of the most

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celebrated and quoted definitions of

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religion in scholarship this one is

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pretty good actually as far as these

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things go

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gertz defines religion in the following

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way quote

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a religion is a system of symbols which

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act to establish powerful pervasive and

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long-lasting moods in men by formulating

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conceptions of a general order of

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existence and clothing those conceptions

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with such an aura of factuality that the

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moods and motivations seem uniquely

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realistic

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as you can tell there is a lot of

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weber's meaning creating perspective

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here but it is formulated in a more

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developed way this definition of gears

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of how what religion is is still used

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sometimes today there are those who

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criticize it especially

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for perhaps not including that

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social aspect that for the followers of

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people like durkheim emphasize so much

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but generally this is a rather liked

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definition of religion that

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is one of the most popular around

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another more recent example is in the

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work of abby day who in an attempt to

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talk about how religion functions coined

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the term believing in belonging

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that people primarily believe in their

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social belonging and identity

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that much like durkheim argued religion

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and belief is primarily interested in

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creating and maintaining social

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belonging and identity formation

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this idea is further supported by her

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research in which she can show and argue

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that belief is mainly a question of

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performative identity formation and

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social relationships so as you can tell

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there are many different perspectives on

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how one can properly answer the question

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what is religion

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another very important perspective that

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needs to be kept in mind is the fact

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that the term religion as we understand

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it is a western concept and very much

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colored by that context this means that

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when we understand what religion is and

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interpret other religions we do so from

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a western framework

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the whole concept of how we understand

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religion is born out of a christian

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environment and thus our whole view of

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quote-unquote religion is heavily

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colored by christianity

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so when we and indeed many scholars in

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the past and present try to study define

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and understand religions other than

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christianity we do so based on a

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christian-centric framework we assume

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that other quote-unquote religions if

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they can even be called that follow the

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same model of christianity and if they

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don't then we try to fit them into that

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framework sometimes forcibly

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this christian framework includes many

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things but often two or three very

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specific features the religion has a

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founder the religion has a sacred

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scripture and the religion has a creed

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or established theology

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have you ever read a textbook about

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religions that tried to explain

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non-christian religions through this

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framework

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i'm sure you have and this can be a huge

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problem

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cultures are different and religions are

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very different

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if we look at a religion like hinduism

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which first of all could be argued not

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to be a single religion at all and we

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try to apply this christian framework to

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it it doesn't really work at all it

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simplifies things to a huge degree

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we often see people try to say that the

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veda scriptures are the bible of the

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hindus but this isn't accurate at all it

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functions in a very different way

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and this is a mistake that we often make

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when we talk about religions they don't

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all fit into a single mold they're all

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infinitely complex and different from

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each other and to call them all

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quote-unquote religions

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brings a lot of these problems with it

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even though we shouldn't necessarily

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give up doing that completely

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even in a religion that is relatively

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close to christianity in both origins

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and structure like islam we can easily

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make the same mistakes

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seemingly it fits rather well into that

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previous framework it has a founder it

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seems muhammad and it has a sacred

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scripture the quran but to compare

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muhammad to jesus in christianity or the

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quran where the bible creates a

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fundamental misunderstanding about the

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similarities and differences between

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these religions

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in fact if any comparison should be made

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at all it would be more accurate to

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compare the role of jesus in

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christianity to the role of the quran in

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islam

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muhammad by comparison could perhaps be

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thought of as having the same role or a

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similar world to the virgin mary in

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christianity

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this stuff is a minefield even such

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seemingly accurate comparisons can lead

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to fundamental misunderstanding

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so we should always keep this in mind

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and understand that religions are very

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different and we can't apply a single

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framework or model onto religions other

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than christianity without thinking any

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further about it

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this phenomenon also becomes very

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apparent when you ask people to define

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what religion is

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many people here in the so-called west

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will often reply that religion is

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essentially about believing in god or

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some kind of superhuman force or at

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least that this is a central part of

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what religion is

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even a seasoned scholar like edward b

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tyler made this mistake as we saw but

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again this is a very specifically

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christian and even more so protestant

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perspective on religion

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protestantism teaches that it is the

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individual person's

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personal inner belief that matters and

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not so much outer actions or rituals and

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this heavily influences our

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understanding of what religion is

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supposed to mean

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but if you go outside a protestant

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context to the i don't know the middle

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east or india or any other place you

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will find that perhaps very different

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things are emphasized

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perhaps religion is more about practical

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things following certain laws acting a

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certain way as a human being maybe it's

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about family maybe it's about

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charity the list goes on religion can be

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many different things to different

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people and we can't be chained to a

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particular cultural perspective in our

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understanding of such a broad concept

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here in the west we today have confined

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religion to its own place in society we

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have clearly defined borders and pockets

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for different aspects of our lives over

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here is politics over here is culture

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over there is entertainment and over

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here is religion

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religion has a specific place that is as

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just pointed out often confined to

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personal belief and these different

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categories of society shouldn't meet at

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least ideally should be kept in their

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own pockets and not only is this a very

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modern and new way of looking at

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religion or society

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a way that does not correspond to the

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way it worked historically or in many

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parts of the world even today but it can

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also skew our understanding of how

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religions function today at all in

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different parts of the world

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i'm sure many of you have heard the

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argument well that isn't part of the

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religion that's part of the culture

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well is there necessarily a difference

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the scholar tala assad didn't think so

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he argued that the idea that religion

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and culture are two separate things is a

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modern invention

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the seemingly arbitrary categories of

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religion and culture are infinitely

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intertwined and at times can be one and

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the same thing

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just look at a religion like islam islam

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in morocco looks very different from

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islam as practiced in indonesia

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why is this well some might chalk it up

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to culture you could say that's

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definitely true to some degree but to

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see religion as one thing and then

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culture as another that

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one influences the other is that really

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an accurate picture

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one could look at it that way but i

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think that it's a very surface level and

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shallow view of the reality of the

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situation

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in reality the borders or lines between

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these two categories are very fuzzy

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because a religion does not exist

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independently of the people who perform

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it and the context or culture in which

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it exists the two become unified into a

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single thing

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and this leads us to what is perhaps the

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most important point that needs to be

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kept in mind when we study religions an

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inescapable fact that cannot be escaped

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that religions are internally diverse

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and that they change over time and place

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no religion is immune from this

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all religions are diverse and

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multifaceted there always exists a

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multitude of interpretations and

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understandings some say there are as

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many versions of a religion as there are

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adherence to that religion

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and the second point is also important

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that religions always evolve and change

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the people who continually create and

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perform the religion are shaping it in

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new ways and adapting to new situations

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and context whether they know it or not

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the main point is we like to look at the

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world of religions as a set of fixed

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well religions that

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believe certain things practice certain

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ways but this is a hugely oversimplified

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view of the situation all religions are

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almost infinitely diverse and exist in

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many forms the borders that separate all

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these kinds of concepts are very fuzzy

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and these perspectives that we have

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talked about needs to be kept in mind as

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we go forward and try to get a better

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idea of how religions work and function

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in society both historically and today

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so now i hope you understand why asking

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a question like what is religion can

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become pretty complicated and that

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answers to that question can vary a lot

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depending on who you ask and in what

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context it adds more nuance and

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complexity to this topic which was

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complex enough to begin with but it's an

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important perspective to have in mind as

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we study religion from an academic and

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neutral scholarly perspective which is

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what we aim for on this channel you

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don't have to agree with everything i've

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said here that's the whole point this is

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an ongoing discussion about how we

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define terms how we understand the

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things

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in a broad sense to understand the very

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concepts that we're trying to study but

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this is an introduction into some of the

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debates and discussions that are had

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within religious studies about this

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specific question i would like to thank

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all of my patrons as usual for the

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invaluable support that you give me and

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also a thank you to everyone who watches

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and likes and subscribes to this channel

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in general i'll see you next time

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you

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