Tom Clancy Speaks at the National Security Agency
Summary
TLDRこのビデオ脚本は、1984年のラトビアのリガで起こった異常に興味深い事件を語る。その日、苏联海軍の巡洋艦の士官たちが過度に酒を飲んでいたため、乗組員の一部がスウェーデンへの逃亡を企図した。しかし、彼らは幸運を逃し、艦を停止させるために空爆撃を受ける運命だった。この事件は、作家が後に小説「レッド・オクトーバー」のインスピレーションを得る根拠となり、また、情報工作と軍事作戦の重要性を強調する。
Takeaways
- 🚀 スクリプトは、1980年代の冷戦時代の艦艇や潜水艦に関するトピックを扱っています。
- ⛵ スクリプトでは、作家が自身の経験と研究に基づいて小説を書くプロセスについて語っています。
- 🎭 作家は、米軍やロシア軍の艦艇や潜水艦の運用に関する詳細な情報を元に小説を創作しています。
- 🔍 スクリプトでは、作家が情報収集と研究の重要性を強調していますが、機密情報を漏洩することはないと述べています。
- 📚 作家は、公に入手できる資料やゲームから情報を得て小説を書いていると語っています。
- 🇬🇧 スクリプトでは、作家がイギリスとアメリカの軍事組織と密接な関係にあると示しています。
- 📖 作家は、小説「レッド・オクトーバー」の創作プロセスとその背景について語っています。
- 🌐 スクリプトでは、作家が現在の小説「パトリオット・ゲームズ」のテーマであるアイルランドのテロリズムについて触れています。
- 🗣️ 作家は、テロリズムの予防と情報収集の重要性を強調しています。
- 🏆 スクリプトでは、作家が作品が大好きで、それが彼のキャリアに与えた影響について述べています。
Q & A
1985年11月8日にリガで何が起こったのか?
-1985年11月8日にリガで異常な出来事が起こりました。アクロバット級ミサイルフリゲート「トーダシェフ」が、船員の一部によって乗っ取られ、スウェーデンへの逃亡を試みたのです。
トーダシェフ号の乗組員はなぜスウェーデンに逃げようとしたのか?
-トーダシェフ号の高級士官たちは前日の祝日に酔っ払ってしまい、船員の一部がこの状況を利用してスウェーデンへの逃亡を企てたとされています。
トーダシェフ号の反乱のリーダーは誰ですか?
-反乱のリーダーは船の政治士官、つまりアテーイストのためのチャPLAINのような立場のキャプテン第三位のヴァレリ・ミハイロヴィッチ・ヴォブキニンでした。
逃亡を試みた船員たちはどれくらい進んだのか?
-彼らは非常に不幸でしたが、スウェーデンのゴトランド島に向かって300海里弱の距離を走ったところでソビエト海軍に発見されてしまいました。
逃亡を阻止するためにソビエト海軍はどのような行動をとったのか?
-ソビエト海軍は航空機と艦艇を派遣して全弾丸を発射し、トーダシェフ号の舵を損傷させ停止させました。その後、船を連行して港に戻しました。
キャプテン・サブリンはその後どうされましたか?
-キャプテン・サブリンはモスクワに連行され、翌春に公平な裁判を受けた後、処刑されました。
トーダシェフ号の事件はいつ新聞に載ったのですか?
-トーダシェフ号の事件は1976年の冬と春に新聞に掲載されました。
著者がこの物語を書くにあたり、何を参考にしたと言っていますか?
-著者は「レッド・オクトーバー」を書くにあたり、主に3冊の書籍「シップズ&アIRCRAFT FOR THE US FLEET」、「ガイド・トゥ・ソビエト・ネイビー」、「コンバット・フリート・オブ・ザ・ワールド」を参考にしました。
著者はどのようにして情報を得たと述べていますか?
-著者は公に開かれている情報やゲーム「コールド・ハープーン」を参考にし、さらには保険業務を行う傍らの人々から情報を得たと述べています。
著者が次に書く予定の小説「パトリオット・ゲームズ」はどんな内容ですか?
-「パトリオット・ゲームズ」はアイルランドのテロリズムをアメリカ人の視点から描いた物語で、テロリストの捕获や情報の重要性などがテーマとなっているそうです。
Outlines
🚀 1975年のリガの兵変
1975年11月8日にラトビアのリガで、アクロバット級ミサイルフリゲート「トーダシェフ」号で兵変が起こった。兵変は政治幹部であるヴァレリ・ミハイロヴィチ・ヴォヴキン大尉が主導し、船員の一部がロシアの革命記念日に酔っ払った上官の不注意を利用してスウェーデンへの逃亡を企てた。しかし、逃亡は失敗し、艦は追跡されて停止させられ、船員は連行された。
✈️ ソビエト海軍の対応と結果
兵変の艦を発見した後、ソビエト海軍は艦を停止させるよう指示したが、艦長のサアビリン大尉は従わずに西に進んだ。最終的にソビエト海軍は艦を損傷させるよう命じ、戦闘機が艦を攻撃し、スウェーデンの領海から30~50マイル離れた場所で停止させた。艦は引き取られ、修理後に船員は連行され、艦はシベリアに移されることになった。
📚 作家としての転機
1980年にinsurance businessを購入し、米海军研究所に参加した。そこでの経験と出会いが、作家としてのキャリアに大きな影響を与えた。特に、米海軍研究所の年次メンバー会議で知り合った人物から得たアドバイスとコメントが、後に小説の創作につながった。
📝 小説「レッド・オクトーバー」の創作
1982年8月に小説創作を開始し、同年10月には300ページの原稿を完成させ、1983年2月には723ページの原稿を完成させた。編集プロセスを経て、1984年10月に小説「レッド・オクトーバー」が出版され、好評を博した。特に、ロナルド・レーガン大統領の推薦を受け、ベストセラーになった。
🔍 研究と情報収集
小説「レッド・オクトーバー」の研究には、主に3冊の書籍を利用した。戦艦に関するデータや兵器システム、センサーの詳細な情報が記載されたこれらの書籍は、小説の内容を裏付けるための情報源となった。また、情報収集は創作の楽しさと重要性を強調した。
🛰️ 次なる小説「レッドストーム・ライジング」
次なる小説「レッドストーム・ライジング」の創作において、共同執筆者であるLarry Bondと協力し、研究を進めた。また、空軍戦闘機部隊、海軍のペリー級フリゲート、および陸軍のM1戦車での体験を経て、小説の内容を豊かにした。
🏴 イランterrorismと「パトリオット・ゲームズ」
現在執筆中の小説「パトリオット・ゲームズ」では、イランのテロリストから犠牲になったアメリカ人の視点や、アメリカ人の視点からテロリズムの問題を描いている。また、北アイルランドのRUCの警官との話から、テロリズムの根源とそれに伴う問題について学んだ。
📡 情報の重要性
情報はテロリズムに対する第一線の防御であり、アメリカの安全を守るために不可欠である。情報収集と分析がテロリストの阻止につながり、それが情報専門家の任務であると強調した。また、情報の開示と秘密保持のバランスが重要であると指摘した。
🚩 作家としての経験
作家としての経験を語り、特に米海軍やロイヤル海軍からの支持と認めをもらえたことを誇らしがっている。また、機密情報の扱いについても触れ、自分は機密情報を必要としない作家であり、倫理的に情報を扱うことを誓っていると述べた。
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Riga
💡Soviet Union
💡Mutiny
💡Acrobat class FFG
💡October Revolution
💡Baltic Fleet
💡Gotland
💡USS
💡Naval Academy
💡Falkland Islands
Highlights
讨论了保险业务中的潜在受害者问题。
描述了1975年11月8日在拉脱维亚里加发生的一起不同寻常的事件。
提到了苏联庆祝十月革命的日子及其历史背景。
讲述了苏联导弹护卫舰'Acrobat'级在城市码头的事件。
揭示了舰上高级官员醉酒,部分船员企图叛变前往瑞典的情况。
描述了叛变领导者是船上的政委,以及他的动机和行动。
提到了一名水手试图向总部报告叛变的情况。
讲述了苏联海军对叛变事件的迟缓反应。
描述了叛变船只几乎成功逃脱,但最终因为一系列不幸事件而失败。
提到了苏联海军如何最终找到并迫使叛变船只返回。
讲述了叛变领导者在莫斯科接受审判并被处决的结局。
讨论了作者如何通过与海军军官的交流获得写作灵感。
描述了作者如何利用公开资料进行研究并撰写小说《红色十月》。
提到了作者与海军军官合作撰写《红色风暴》一书的过程。
讲述了作者如何通过亲身体验和研究来增强其写作的真实性。
讨论了作者对情报工作的看法,以及情报在反恐中的重要性。
提到了作者对军事秘密和情报使用的哲学思考。
讲述了作者如何通过逻辑推理而非泄露的机密信息来构建其作品中的情节。
Transcripts
does this thing go inside or outside
your jacket so we don't have these in
the insurance business great you let
everybody in yeah everyone's a potential
victim eight November where is it now
there it is
eight November 9th or 8th November 1975
the place is Riga Latvia and it so 200
hours and something very unusual is
about to happen the the date of 8
November is significant it comes after 7
November even in the Soviet Union and
that's the day on which they celebrate
the the October Revolution the reason of
course it's in November now is because
they switch calendars after the
Bolsheviks took over now the unusual
thing that's about to happen is that
there's a there's a missile frigate
Acrobat class FFG sitting at the city
dock names todashev oi the name means
one guard I believe or vigilant when
some lose them the the supposition is
that the senior officers aboard the ship
got since the previous day was the
Russian fourth of July got into their
celebrating just just a little bit too
heavily as Russians have been known to
do and were passed out drunk in their
staterooms and selected members of the
crew took advantage of this fact to
initiate what they hoped would be a trip
to Sweden now the mutiny oddly enough
was led by the the ship's political
officer those on palete that's sort of a
chaplain for atheists he
his name was was captain third-ranked or
a lieutenant commander Valeri
Mikhailovich wobbling as the chef's
political officer of course he's the
fellow who's supposed to make sure that
everybody aboard does what it says and
the little red book or whatever the hell
color book it is over there
unfortunately as the Marines of as the
Marines say this this guy was not
entirely with the program and he and he
one other junior officer and an unknown
number of petty officers lit up their
turbine engines slipped their mooring
lines and and slipped downriver they
almost made it they were they're
extremely unlucky the first thing that
went wrong for them was that one of the
one of the conscripts abour of course
then you know the Soviet Navy in the
Soviet Army don't really have career and
lists of people like we do which is one
of their probably a bigger disadvantage
to them and their than their inferior
hardware anyway one of the sailors
looked around and quite sensibly
realized that he didn't want any part of
this action so he jumped overboard and
swam to shore tried to flag down a car
but nobody would stop for him presumably
in the assumption he was just nother
drunken sailor finally he finds him he
finds a public phone drops his kopeck
calls into headquarters and says look
guys something really bad is going down
I can't tell you what it is over the
phone for crying out loud send a car out
to pick me up they hung up
walks all the way into Baltic Fleet
headquarters finds a duty officer says
look stood OSHA boy if you send a jeep
down to the city dock you're going to
find a 440 foot empty space where my
ship used to be and I thought that was
remarkable enough that sure enough they
sent a jeep down or the Soviet
equivalent thereof down to the City Dock
and there was a 40-foot 445 empty space
where the ship used to be and they
looked at each other and they said neat
chaebol and didn't do anything else
about it
by this time store OSHA boy is out an
air gun sound booking along at maybe 25
or 30 knots she her objective was a
Swedish island of Gotland in the Baltic
Sea a run of about 300 nautical miles
the Soviet Navy really just let things
Fester for a while until finally the
last piece of bad luck happened for
captain sobbing one of the one of the
officers aboard the ship hadn't
evidently got drunk enough recovered
consciousness got into the Radio Shack
and sent out on all ships broadcast in
the clear mutiny on storoe Savoy send
help that got their attention
commander Baltic Fleet got on the phone
to commander in chief soviet navy
admiral sergey yuryevitch gorchakov who
evidently was recently given sort of a
nun but dishonorable discharge from the
soviet navy at least the the adverts
that you know that the notice in Pravda
didn't say well done thou good and
faithful servant just Admiral Sir Navin
has the job now Gorn scoff probably told
the trainer Baltic Fleet rather
pointedly to get the ship back so an
all-out air and sea search was laid on
immediately they already had a a patrol
force sailing around in the Baltic and
some Verdi's were sent up if you're
looking for snow Savoy well of course
it's virtually a law of physics that
ships can't run from airplanes very well
they found the ship in very short order
and notified Baltic Fleet and then they
relayed a message from Baltic Fleet
roughly as follows
just bring the boat home guys and
everything is cool well
well captain Saab lien wasn't quite that
stupid he did not acknowledge the
broadcast and kept heading west
finally the order had to be given to to
disable the ship and fighter bombers
attached to the Soviet Navy were ordered
in to just just the damage to ship
enough the stopper it's an expensive
thing to put in the body and fender shot
so unfortunately for the Russians
however the lead ship in the surface
pursuit force was another kravec yeah
first thing that happened is that they
blast the tail out of the wrong ship
well well they finally got their act
together they Stewart they scored ahead
on Star Ocean voice turn disabling the
rudder forcing the ship to stop 30 to 50
miles outside of Swedish territorial
water the surface pursuit force caught
up they took everybody officer Oh Savoy
and towed the ship back to port for
repairs soon thereafter the entire ship
was sent all the way around the world to
Siberia the ship is now based at
Vladivostok and the maritime province
presumably they did this on the
assumption that's that the ship itself
would be sort of a psychological
contaminant for the rest of Baltic Fleet
yeah I don't really think of the
Russians as being that spiritual it's
captain Saab lien of course was taken to
Moscow where the following spring he was
given a fair trial and a fair hanging in
all fairness to the Russians mutiny is a
crime that navies historically regard as
being fairly serious and the reason we
have the Naval Academy down in Annapolis
is because of a certain irregularity and
procedures aboard a United States brig
named the summer's in 1843 well all this
information early some of those
information hit the papers in the in the
winter and spring of 1976 it was a slow
developing news story for a number of
reasons the for one thing reporters are
basically incompetent but a for another
thing it was about a mutiny onboard a
Soviet ship but the you're supposed to
live there too of it but I read in the
Washington Post I read that every day so
I can get the far side
and I thought gee that's an interesting
story and one of the nice to sort of
file that one away which is basically
what I did the and it just sort of sat
there and gathered dust there's a lot of
dusty things back here for the next four
years and in 1980 my life took a fairly
major turn for the further the one thing
is my wife and I purchased the insurance
business which we still continue to
operate actual I'm going to be in there
two more I couldn't get out of it and I
also joined the United States Naval
Institute in April of 1980 I just took
an afternoon off from the office and I
went up to Annapolis to go to their
annual members meeting or as I call it a
love-in
and and what happens there is they give
out awards and things in it but but
mainly what happens is you have a lot of
naval officers and their wives or
essentially naval officers too and you
get down to it
talking back and forth with each other
about how important the Navy is and this
is like listening to a discussion of gun
control with this trap and skeet club
you know it's so you have people trying
to disagree with each other so that they
can subsequently argue on the things
they already agree on and struck me as a
fairly pointless undertaking and I wrote
sent a letter to the Institute the
following September just to describe the
fact that I thought this was a fairly
pointless undertaking well a week later
I got a check for $35 and saul of tarsus
was not more surprised when he was
knocked off of and 1/2 his ass than I
was by that check somebody actually paid
me for writing something insurance
companies don't do that
they they respect my letters but they
don't pay for them and I thought that
was that was so remarkable even cashed
the check for another year and the the
following year I just I came up with a
really wild idea as for a basing system
for the MX missile so matter fact it was
almost as crazy as what the Pentagon
came up with and I shot that and I shot
that into the Institute and they liked
it and said we'll rewrite and send it
back and along the way I made the
acquaintance of a naval officer working
in the OSD who gave me some good advice
and a couple of interesting comments and
he was a nice enough guy about it that I
invited him down to the office for lunch
just to sort of thank him
this was the Monday after Argentina sees
the Falkland Islands that's that this is
important keep track of that so what
happened that Monday is is this this
fellow spent ten minutes telling me how
the Brits were to take their rocks back
and he turned out to be right in just
about every detail immensely pay him for
it right and then he spent about an hour
giving me see stories now of course if
you're in the Navy you don't tell C
stories they should be over to the
marine corps so so what I really learned
was you know what kind of a person is it
who drives submarines we're living it's
something I didn't know I always knew
that looking up the technical stuff for
Red October to be fairly easy what I did
not know is what's what a person it is
who goes to sea in a ship that's
supposed to sink
because that would bother me you know
and what I found out was that the
submarine drivers are a lot like fighter
pilots they wake up in the morning and
adjust their halos and when they go to
sea they don't really expect so much to
walk on water as they expect the Seas
the part in front of them so with us new
and interesting knowledge I decided well
by God
I've writing a book as something I
wanted to do since high school and I'm
going to say I'm just going to sit down
and do it I really got rolling I guess
in August of 82 and by October 28th I
had maybe 300 pages of manuscript done
so October 28th I remember the day
because somebody ensured an all-state
whomped my car I went up to Annapolis
and I had lunch at Riordan saloon with a
guy named Marty Callahan he's the fellow
who who edited my MX article and I told
him I was fiddling with a novel and I
wanted a professional look at what I had
done to tell me he was any good so he
said sure he'll come he'd come down and
look at it which he did on Veterans Day
November 11th it's not a holiday here
it's a federal agency in the left but
anyway you read two chapters and he said
you know this isn't bad when you
finished the book and I said okay and so
I restarted from page one I ultimately
finished a manuscript on February 27th
of 83 about three or four months later
it's not it wasn't as hard as you think
for one thing there was an NFL player
strike and
and my wife was pregnant so my nights my
weekends so my nights and my weekends
were fairly free
February 28th 83 I walked into the
Institute after making a business call
handed him seven hundred and twenty
three pages of manuscript got in the car
and drove home what followed was
probably the most difficult couple of
weeks of I've had in the last ten years
because I didn't really know if they
were going to like it or not did you one
of the things you don't have as a writer
one of the things no writer can really
do is evaluate his own stuff I can't and
so I waited three anxious weeks for him
to tell me that they had taken by seven
hundred and twenty three pages of
manuscript and stamped it onto a roll
along in a small room in fact a lovely
young lady Debbie no she just got Mary's
wsd s now the acquisitions and rights
editor they're all the same thing if
they're all tall they're all skinny
they're all gorgeous it's disgusting
they're all married that's the
disgusting part said that she really
liked it and could I rewrite the whole
thing the original manuscript was farmed
out to to to submarine officers what I'm
just made captain the other ones a
commander now who read read the thing
over for technical material and it turns
out I made a lot of stupid little
mistakes but the big stuff held together
fairly well unfortunately one of the
officers told the Institute the book
should not be published for reasons of
security so I invited them down to the
office and I showed him where I got all
my information I'll be showing I'll whip
that out a little while and I finally
persuaded him that that I got all my
information innocently the one thing
that was really worked up about was
something called crazy Ivan now for
those of you who don't know what crazy
Ivan means you know the Russians are a
very paranoid xenophobic Bunch
and for some reason their ships and
submarines when they're out it when
they're out at sea when was
occasions when they actually sail they
have this nasty suspicion that the
United States Navy is submarines are
tracking them now in fact when the US
Navy submarines are out at sea they're
conducting oceanographic research which
means of course are you don't you
believe a boat which means there's
another count the whales for Greenpeace
but because the Russians are so paranoid
they've developed the sort of a stylized
turn their version of the Williamson
turn in which they reverse course and
race back on a reciprocal heading and
and this in the US Navy when those rare
occasions when a submarine is in the
general vicinity of a Russian sub calls
the crazy Ivan turned well the captain
was a little annoyed that I knew what
that was and I told him that we have a
nuclear power plant down where I live
and so my clients work a teakettle and
one of them it just honestly couldn't
even tell you which one told me is
because I have insurance for maybe seven
or eight of them and just told me what
crazy Ivan was I just sort of file it
away and used it well finally I
convinced him that I got everything
innocently that nobody had burned
information to me but but finally I said
look if there's anything in the book
that should be taken out for reasons of
security even though I acquired all the
information innocently tell me what it
is and it's going so he turns around
looks at me says I'm not going to tell
you what it is you dumbass it's
classified
now I asked you what am I supposed to do
I mean those classification even even
overcome being honorable answer yes
anyway he was through his his objection
the book went through the editing
process the editing process is rather
like being in a dentist's chair for
three months an editor is someone it's
like the doctor you take your kid to the
first checkup and he says well Tom he's
a perfectly good boy but he'd be so much
better off without his left arm my
editor was a gal named Connie Buchanan
tall skinny and gorgeous her Hut I'm not
kidding her husband was an all-american
lacrosse player at Princeton still plays
club lacrosse so I couldn't get too
snotty with her the other problem was
she was 4.0 Princeton and a Marshall
scholar to Oxford now even for a guy
went to a JV school that's Jesuit for
you people who don't know that's kind of
intimidating so the editing process is
actually kind of stone age you know they
take pencils and they make marginal
comments and deletions and crap and you
get fed up with it after a while I mean
it's just like somebody putting tattoos
on your baby
so so I made my own little cottage at
GDC god damn it Connie oddly enough we
know we finished the editing process
lasted almost three months and and we
actually ended up good friends which is
fairly remarkable in the meantime I got
my first look at a US Navy submarine USS
well I've never been aboard one before
not a nuke anyway and the book finally
came out in October of of 84 two years
ago two years and two weeks could be
exactly and it looked like the book was
going to do fairly well for us the
average first novel sells maybe five or
six thousand copies in hardcover and it
looked as though Red October was going
to peek out at something like fifty
thousand when something kind of
unexpected happened there's a gentleman
on the Washington Times not the Post The
Times the Muny one named Jerry O'Leary
he's a retired colonel of the United
States Marine Corps who belongs to the
Institute got the book read it liked it
and fortunately he was too cheap to buy
one for his friend
his friend is the American ambassador to
Argentina Frank were teased well he
found out a certain lady was heading
down there and he asked if she'd take a
book down with her and hand it to him
she said sure well it's a long flight
from Dulles to Buenos Aires and she read
the book liked it came back bought a
case twenty-eight copy she's my number
one fan in that respect
one of which found its way under the
tree of President Reagan well the
president I guess it was a nice quiet
Christmas in the White House the
president read the book in three days
liked it and was kind enough to tell
Time magazine that throw all those cheap
people out there that got the paperback
fork for kids
you've noticed the comment the perfect
you are in Ronald Reagan well that's how
that happened immediately after that the
hardcover jumped into the Times list the
hardcover was there for 29 weeks the
paperback was one for quite some time
and just popped back because the Red
Storm and also the president was kind
enough to invite my wife and me to the
White House where where the first time
we met him in the Oval Office and the
next week we were there for the arrival
ceremony in the state dinner for his
Excellency raúl Alfonsin the president
of the Argentine Republic now take note
of the fact that the the process of
getting the book started began with a
discussion of the Falkland Islands war
the Brits and the ER geez the book gets
to the president because the right lady
happens to be flying to Argentina and
two of the three times we go to the
White House it's also to meet the
President of Argentina and people wonder
why the Irish are superstitious
technically you know the book was
actually quite easy to do my sources
well let me dummy I had one piece of
help from a federal employee as matter
fact a person who worked in this very
place I don't know which building goes
around to this complex somewhere for
whom I have insurance he called me at
exactly the right time makes you believe
in fate sick Volvo a poor cos as Virgil
used to say used to say in the Indian I
needed to know something in Russian so
he called me he called me up at exactly
every time he has a question of an
insurance question and we mean I got
that out of the way real quick I'm
actually fairly proficient editor I used
to be and I said you speak Russian
silence
I'm talking five seconds and nothing
would electronic noise on that telephone
wire and finally he couldn't stand it
anymore he said why do you ask and I
said well I need to know how to say
something in Russian I have a I'm
writing he knew I was fiddling around
with a book and I said I need to know
how to say Red October in Russian is it
kasnia cobbler or kasnia ocular silence
finally I guess I can tell you that it's
Krasny that's the only assistance I had
from anybody in the intelligence
community and I hope you break any rules
to do that that's good
he just got promoted to but the
principle source is for my information
were three books in a war game the books
are ships and aircraft for the US fleet
guide to the Soviet Navy combat fleets
the world all naval Naval Institute
press publication is kind of incestuous
and hit this is this is the main source
of numbers right here it's a war game as
cold harpoon by Larry Bond I met Larry
in 82 I bought this this was advertised
in Proceedings and I figured for $9.95
you couldn't go too far wrong even when
I was poor so I got to know Larry fairly
well he's my son's Godfather and this I
ripped it up to put it in a ring binder
so it's easier for me to use but what it
essentially is is we have two books here
this is book one you can see how thick
and hard to read it is and this is just
fundamentals on how on the game
mechanics and therefore the mechanics of
house ships and weapons operate it
describes little things like convergent
zone something about a half hour I
figure those out and really just a
primer a primer on one house ships and
aircraft function I mean how they do
their thing mechanically also what
happens when weapons hit them book -
excuse me for a moment it's divided into
the two parts part one that's 1 - Part 1
lists most of the important ships in the
world let's see
let's pick a name somebody pick a ship
come on tell me pick a ship coral Singh
okay she's in here
that's a carrier CG 42 I believe he just
settle for Midway sisters that's well
sister type C V number in class to
Dayton service 1945 speed 33 knots
displacement standard displacement 51
thousand tons propulsion steam crew four
thousand five hundred ninety-one total
weapons mounts 11 that's three NATO sea
sparrows rim seven h6 three mark fifty
six mark fifteen phalanx a sea whist I
got one of those on my time makes a neat
sound and of course a bunch of airplanes
and things range roughly 18,000 miles at
12 knots this is the equivalent of five
thousand dollars worth of reference
books okay for 995 the price is $11 now
with inflation that's the ship and
aircraft portion now the actual weapons
and sensor portion let's say
air-to-surface ordinance USA harm that's
the high speed and irradiation missile
effective range according to this 10
miles a PK of point 85 a weapon warhead
of 70 70 kilograms
14 damage points that's the v8 a ship
with it instead of a radar which will
prevent kilograms of explosives probably
do a job on a radar antenna right and
hanging weight on the aircraft for 354
kilograms so and this is this is all
this is all public stuff I can be sure
of that because Larry is a naval officer
in the Naval Reserve with 1630
designator and if he was burning
classified information to anybody he'd
be in the gravel business now right
keeping Pollard company so this is the
sort of stuff that's out in the open and
all I did was take the information in
that book and abstract it and just
essentially use that as a database while
I was doing the hard part the hard part
is taking 700 pages of blank paper and
filling them up with words
era makes a big deal about the research
research is not only the easy part it's
the fun part with Red Storm rising which
began for those of you read the book I
mean in the beginning it tells how all
that happened Larry was down at my house
for Tommy's first birthday party and
said he was fiddling with an idea and we
just kicked some ideas back and forth
finally we shook hands when they all
said hell why don't we write a book it's
turned out alright in the research for
Red Storm I got down to watch a an Air
Force fighters Fighter Squadron go
through its paces with a scramble and
everything the Navy let me spend spend a
week on USS Gallery FFG 26a an F F g7
perry-class frigate that's an awful lot
of fun a long time between beers though
the army let me go up to Aberdeen Drive
and fire an m1 tank where's the state
trooper when you really want
the book I'm working on now Patriot
Games I had two weeks over in England
dirty jobs only other do it and a couple
weeks ago I was at FBI training center
at Quantico I watched the hostage rescue
team go through their paces the
interesting thing about that by the way
is that before the buck revell the
executive assistant director
investigations FBI gave the brief there
were some folks who over from Italy who
were also there for the demo and he said
that the the difference tween the FBI
HRT and Delta Force is that FBI are
they're cops
they're designed to use minimum
necessary force preserve evidence if
possible arrest the perpetrators whereas
Delta fortress goes in romping and
stomping and kills everything in sight
then we saw the demo then we saw the HRT
do through the demo and the firing they
have a hostage room with two live human
beings volunteers the idiots one of whom
had a target here and a target here
sitting on a couch he's the guy who
grades the exercise if you kill him you
got to know the good guys
blow the door come in firing live rounds
I'm watching this from a scaffolding
overhead firing live rounds pop all the
targets twice rescue the good guys and
the exercise is complete first of all
the guy in the couch is a much higher
coefficient of trust in his fellow man
than I ever will
secondly if that's minimum force I can
only conclude that the Delta guys use
nukes and then sift the ashes and then
just sift the ashes for the good guys
the book I'm working on right now is
called Patriot Games and it's those of
you who read Red October to take a close
look at chapter four you'll get a feel
for what it's about it's Irish terrorism
from from the victims perspective and
also from an American perspective which
is kind of unhappy business is one of
the things I've learned lately I had a
fella in my house last Thursday night
who's over in the u k-- in the u.s.
sponsored by u.s. ia2 to get the word
out on what's really happening over
there his name is Colin Ian Gardner and
he's the chief superintendent with L
division of the RUC the rural Elster
Constabulary that's the cops in Northern
Ireland he's been shot in the back with
an American m60 machine gun that was
purloined from a US National Guard
Armory which is not something for
Americans to feel happy about he's lost
a lot of troops the bad guys over there
may have red eye missiles now just
making the helicopter drivers little
nervous and one of the things I'm trying
to figure out now is how the situation
got to where it is and how it is we've
been so lucky that it hasn't happened
here well I'll tell you and I'm going to
try to be a little serious for the
moment just how lucky we've been in the
United States with terrorism the the
problems in Northern Ireland go back to
the modern problems began in 1922 when
the Brits established the Stormont
Parliament which took care of local
government local taxation the police the
courts and all that stuff essentially
what happened was Ulster is a state in
the same sense of Maryland or
Pennsylvania or Alabama is a state
within the within the UK now but the UK
doesn't have a federal government in the
same sense that we do they do not have a
written constitution they don't have an
FBI they don't have a Department of
Justice the thing just sort of ever
really needed it because the country has
always been
a fairly unitary basis well in nineteen
in the 1960s of course we had all the
civil rights activity in the United
States and we know we all remember y'all
remember that pretty well from watching
the huntley-brinkley half-hour news show
and the people in Northern Ireland the
Catholic community sit watch the same TV
coverage and said hey you know we got
the same problems with the black folks
down in Alabama got and why don't we
demonstrate to so what began in 1965
Northern Ireland was for all practical
purposes civil rights demonstrations
were the same objective that people want
an economic equality they wanted the
right to vote they wanted they want to
access the decent housing sounds pretty
familiar doesn't it the other thing that
sounds familiar is the local cops the
are you say and and and the local powers
that be in the Protestant community
didn't want to share what they had with
the Catholics and so the civil rights
demonstrations had the same thing happen
over there that happened over here the
demonstrators got beat up real bad
sometimes the cops assisted sometimes it
just acquiesced stood by and cheered on
the bad guys now when that happened here
when bull Connor's got a little bit out
of control and sell them out of Alabama
and when Goodman Chaney and Schwerner
were murdered by the Ku Klux Klan in
Mississippi what happened somebody in
Washington by the name of Hoover who
might not have been the nicest kind of
row but it was one hell of a good cup
got together with the Attorney General
and said we got to do something about
this they had the authority under
constitutional and statutory law to send
people down there and go to go to local
cops and say you guys aren't doing your
job professionally and we're going to
show you how to do this and we when we
leave you're going to do it the way we
did they solved the Goodman Chaney
Schwerner murder case they put got Bull
Connor under control
they reestablished the rule of law
that's because we got an FBI we got a
written constitution we have a
Department of Justice we have civil
rights laws
the Brits didn't have that ability
things were out of control over there
because the RUC wasn't doing its job
right there are now it's a good police
force now it's too late now
the only alternative the Brits had was
sending the army British Army is a good
army they got good officers they got
good NCOs they got good training they're
good folks they're not Gers but they're
not cops either
and cops and soldiers don't mix cops
keep the peace armed troops make the
peace by killing everyone who's not
peaceful ok so if anybody ever asked you
if we should get the the Navy and the
Army and the Marine Corps involved in
stopping the drug business remind them
what happened to the British Army in
Northern Ireland a they failed be they
made things worse see it probably wasn't
very good for the troops either what's
happening over there now is pretty grim
we've got 500 or so members of the pyro
the Provisional IRA they're committed
marxist-leninist s-- and if they win
they're going to convert Ireland to
another Cuba as a as someone who likes
to drink Irish whiskey I don't I mean
every time the Communists take over a
country Cuba it was importing tobacco a
couple years ago to make cigars right I
don't want to see Ireland having to
import whiskey they're not you know
they're not really a very nice folks
when I was when I was over there in the
end of April beginning of May there was
a trial in an Old Bailey number two for
the four folks that set the bomb off in
the Brighton hotel that almost bagged
Maggie Thatcher they didn't know she was
going to be there but they wouldn't mind
it either
they looked very ordinary you expect
people like that to have horns and Tails
particularly since that they were the
c-13 the any Terra branch of the
Metropolitan Police bagged them just
when they were getting ready to embark
on a project that was going to explode a
bomb a day for a month all over England
in various hotels trying to hit the
tourist trade you expect him to have
horns and Tails actually they look very
ordinary one of the girls was cute
enough that if I were of college age I
might have asked her out for a date her
idea however a political expression is
to blow people up that she doesn't even
know and unfortunately it looks like
that's the common thing in the world
right now wars are just too expensive in
monetary and monetary terms in terms of
the damage they do to the country that
starts the war I mean it's a matter of
history in the 20th century almost every
time a country starts a war losses so
you asked Hitler so but on the other
hand terrorism you can deny you had any
part of it as the as the Syrians are
doing right now and you can spit but if
it works you can still get your message
across and that's the one you know
that's that's an unhappy fact it's going
on right now
I'm trying to bring out in Patriot Games
is the primary defense against terrorism
people like you the namely games
intelligence you know we've got the FBI
hostage rescue team they've never
rescued a hostage they make a hell of a
good SWAT team we've got the deltas if
we if it's outside the country they're
all ready to go but they don't know
where to go
somebody has to tell them what's going
on somebody has to tell them where to go
do their thing and it's people in the
intelligence community who do that you
people are the first line of defense of
the United States of America and if you
have trouble explaining that to to your
family get them a book one the Battle of
Midway where people in the in the crypto
business if they didn't win the war for
us they probably shortened it about four
years and that's how important you are
if we can develop information on the
terrorists we can stop them we don't
even be able to kill them or if the FBI
has its way you put them in front of a
jury convicted instead of the prison
forever so you can take you know just to
use them like critters in a zoo
interestingly enough that guy from the
Ru sees against capital punishment he
says it only it only creates martyrs and
he'd rather keep them in cages as
trophies and say
see him that's a terrorist and we're not
even you know he may die of old age or
cancer or something but we're not going
to kill him to make him a martyr but
like with everything else what it's all
about is information when when Heinz
Guderian invented the Panzer Division in
1932 the first thing he put together was
the Radio Network so information would
come in from the field to the commander
up from the commander to the regiment's
to tell them what to do and that's the
importance of you guys so at this point
when I run out of things to say we open
the floor for questions and the last
time I was here speaking in this
auditorium I had a hell of a time
getting good questions now when I spoke
at CIA on the other hand I had a great
time so let's clear up a philosophical
point at CIA when they introduced me
they said the talk was unclassified
which of course it is and they said if
you ask questions please keep questions
on classified also well after I got home
I started thinking about that I'm you
know I went to Loyola College up in
Baltimore I have a judge would exposure
to philosophy and logic and everything I
have concluded that there is no such
thing as an unclassified question there
can be a classified answer but there's
no such thing as a classified question
so please ask away all my information on
the stealth fighter came from four
paragraphs of copy in the media the to
two paragraphs in the Baltimore news
American paragraph in into one paragraph
in two separate articles of Air Force
magazine in which they said that there
probably is a stealth type aircraft and
since that they can create the thing to
put on a c5 out of Burbank and take it
up take it over the hills to Nellis that
told me it's probably a fighter okay so
now what we have is a stealth aircraft a
fighter sighs what are you gonna use it
for obviously you're going to use it for
something that's too dangerous for other
airplanes to do weasel it's a fighter
plane therefore it's it's going to have
some air-to-ground capability and some
air to air capability if nothing else
you not gonna put an Air Force pilot in
a fire they can't shoot something right
I mean otherwise they take the scarfing
goggles away so so based on that
information stab Strack did it okay what
what what is the most dangerous mission
in the airforce right now it's weasel
the guy who goes looking for Sam sites
to take em out I mean this is like right
you know trying to kiss a porcupine so
so I just took it from there and I said
well if it'll work against the Sam radar
what what what what is a real Air Force
mission the Air Force likes to drama
they like the stuff that you make a
movie out of five years later so let's
try something that really stop the
Russians hard at first get the air
superiority if they want so I put
operation Dream Land together based on
just my concept of what a stealth
aircraft would be used for whether or
not I'm right I don't know but I can
tell you this somebody involved somebody
who consults to a certain aerospace
company which of course you couldn't
tell me but it was Lockheed he didn't
tell me that but I sort of figured it
out
got an early copy of that chapter the
frisbees of dreamland
and ultimately even made 60 Xerox copies
that were passed out at that aerospace
company and that tells me something if
the project goes white I loved I just
hope they call up the frisbee
you know that's my that would be tom
clancy's mark on history we call that
airplane which probably isn't really the
f19 but whatever it is call it the
frisbee
not that stupid okay that's only the
last ten years this place admits it
exists right no there's there's
obviously no NSA is involved in signal
intelligence of one kind or another and
I also figured you know from just for my
reading of of naval history the Battle
of Midway and all that I realized that
the most important thing in a military
environment is tactical intelligence
since and and being able to read the
other guy's mail which is why I sit on
TV recently that when that Yankee went
down I have this evil impulse every
morning when I start working my office
to call Woods Hole Massachusetts and
find out dr. Ballard's in his office
because we didn't develop that
technology look at the Titanic
and maybe he's going to send Jason jr.
swimming inside there's a nice big hole
in her hole now that Yankee boat that
went down and just send Jason jr.
swimming down that hole looking for the
Crypt or maybe get a hold of a code
machine and drag it out I mean I
realized nobody here really thinks in
those terms but I do as an author so the
first thing you take off take off that
Russian submarine would be the crypto
gear right you guys aren't even nod
that's good
your security officer ought to be proud
of you
that's what I'd take off first I think
that's probably more important than new
so we know how to make news but you know
my information on NSA comes exclusively
from from a few things I read I've got
the biography of Friedman the guy they
named this hall after and a few other
things so it's just it really just a
matter using your head everybody think
there's so much talk around after Red
October came out that that ever people
are leaking information to me why can't
they just give me credit for being smart
it's not that hard to figure out and it
shouldn't be because what's the mission
of the US military with our primary
mission today where the rubber meets the
road ste turns it's keeping a war from
happening if a war happens somebody
screwed up
we can't deter the Russians if they
don't know anything about us they got to
have something to be afraid of think
about it if our nuclear weapons were a
secret why would they not start a war
so the problem you got to draw and this
is in a book by jasper holmes called
double edged secrets examines this issue
rather closely is where do you draw the
line between the importance of a source
of information and the importance of
making use out of it if something is so
important you can't use it
it's not even intelligence it's just a
piece of data that's in somebody's file
that's something and this is something
you know another issue we're going to be
examining and Patriot games from both
sides that if if you're if you're too
scared to use a piece of information for
fear of exposing your source you might
as well not have the source so you know
the question and the same it's the same
thing with military secrets and military
performance where do you draw the line
the lines got to be there somewhere but
you have to we got to expose a certain
amount of information to the Russians if
deterrence is going to work now or where
you draw the line I leave to the
professionals in this audience but you
can't make everything secret
otherwise you may have you may boomerang
on yourself
Kayson we it was written up that way was
because of the the perspective from
which the book was written really the
perspective the Russian perspective was
from Alexey of his point of view he was
commanding exclusively commanding
Russian Russian troops and his main
concern was with the performance of
Russian troops as a practical matter I
really like to know just how much
political reliability the Soviets tagged
on there their East Bloc allies I mean
we know today is it is the 30th
anniversary of the Hungarian Revolution
I mean they were shooting back and forth
at each other okay
I think the Soviets trust the Hungarians
it's for damn sure they don't trust the
Germans you know the you know the
Russian German semi-finals been going on
for quite a while you think they trust
the poles uh you know drover trust in
trust in the soviet union is something
about as rare as beef so whether or not
they use them i don't know i would i
tend to say they try to probably
minimize their use just by virtue of the
fact that the soviets are simply not
trusting people and all of their East
Bloc allies have rebelled against them
at one time or another the Czechs have
the Hungarians have the Germans have the
poles have you trust people like that to
fight for you it's something you want to
think about once or twice
the US Navy and the Royal Navy have
effectively adopted me last last Tuesday
I was down I was down at Norfolk and I
gave the Trafalgar night speech to the
Royal Navy community is the program from
last week it's good speech - I that
afternoon Admiral McCauley common have
sir Flint invited me into his office and
I asked if I heard battleship I was in
town he says you want to go see her
let's go that's been two hours crawling
around the battle wagon so yeah they
like me both the US Navy and the Royal
Navy there they really made me part of
the family I'm very very proud of that
well I would not go to that point if
somebody gave me class by date I'd
probably call the FBI at the very least
at the very least I'd burn it you know I
went to a Jesuit school they make you
take a course in ethics that's it's
wrong okay
I'm not a reporter for God's sake
I don't look I don't need classified
information other reporters always screw
it up anyway here's here's an example
those classified thing I've ever seen on
the news last was almost a year ago I
guess it was a front page thing a front
page here in the Washington Post is
about a British security officer he
worked at the Cheltenham the only
British counterpart for you guys who was
writing a book about how screwed up the
security was there and the third
paragraph in the story said that
security was particularly lacks on a
joint us-uk program to track Soviet
boomers a Soviet missile submarines from
their daily radio transmissions to base
then of course he went done the story
went on to something else I'm thinking
Soviet boomers make daily radio
transmissions to base what our guys go
out there even the Pentagon doesn't know
where they are they're somewhere in this
great big area about the size of state
of Georgia which moves that the whole
area moves nobody wants to know where
they are that's the whole point I think
if the Soviets have them you know et
phone home every day so I know a guy in
that business and I had as luck would
have it I had to give him a call anyway
about something and I told this thing in
the post and he said can you say that
again repeated the whole thing that was
in the paper huh yeah what day what page
which told me a lot right there
I said yeah come on nobody's that dumb I
mean nobody would have a missile
submarine a broadcast every day they
said well just one mean and consider
that different people have different
ideas about the way you do things but
you know the reporter burned that
information did not even know its
significance that's probably the most
secret thing I've ever read
and of course was page when the
Washington Post was in the open up but
now using classified information
no way
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