Is the UK prepared for a war?
Summary
TLDRThe transcript of the Sky Sports Real Talk episode discusses the readiness of the UK for a potential war, given the current global threats and lack of a comprehensive National Defense plan. It highlights the challenges posed by countries like Russia, China, North Korea, and the complexities of modern warfare. The conversation involves Deborah Haynes, Defense and Security Editor, and Rob Clark, an Army reservist and policy director, who emphasize the need for increased defense spending, national resilience, and a reevaluation of the UK's military capabilities and preparedness.
Takeaways
- 🌍 The world is currently in a dangerous state with multiple ongoing conflicts and tensions, such as the Russia-Ukraine war, Israel-Hamas disputes, and potential escalations from China, North Korea, and Iran.
- 🇬🇧 The UK may not be fully prepared for a war despite spending more than 2% of GDP on defense, due to the lack of a comprehensive National Defense plan.
- 🤔 There's a concern about the UK's ability to mobilize reserves and maintain communication with former military personnel in times of crisis, affecting national resilience.
- 💥 The current global threat landscape challenges the long-held assumption of Western countries that life under the rule of law and economic growth can continue without significant disruption.
- 🔄 There's a shift from a post-war to a pre-war world, with potential for multiple theaters of conflict that could escalate into a global war.
- 🇨🇳 Authoritarian regimes like China and Russia have been investing heavily in their military forces, posing a different level of military power and willingness to use it.
- 🇫🇮 Finland's example highlights the importance of reserve forces in national resilience, with a large reserve force relative to its population.
- 🔄 The UK's defense efforts have been historically led by the Prime Minister and the cabinet office, emphasizing a whole-of-nation approach.
- 💰 Economic pressures, political considerations, and ideological reasons contribute to the UK's current defense spending and preparedness levels.
- 🛠️ There's a need for capability assessment of the armed forces to address gaps in defense, rather than focusing solely on percentages of GDP spent on defense.
- 🏭 The UK's industrial base and its ability to rapidly produce weapons and equipment for warfare is a key consideration for national defense and deterrence.
Q & A
What is the main theme of the Sky Sports Real Talk series?
-The main theme of the Sky Sports Real Talk series is to delve into topics that aren't often spoken about in a sporting context, providing a platform for sports people to discuss issues with depth and insight.
What does the phrase 'the boxer in me' signify in the context of the transcript?
-The phrase 'the boxer in me' signifies the inner strength and resilience of the speaker, who is using the metaphor to describe their determination not to show vulnerability or weakness in the face of challenges.
What is the significance of the statement 'when he died obviously a part of me died'?
-The statement reflects the deep emotional impact and loss felt by the speaker, indicating a close relationship or bond with the person who passed away, to the extent that their death felt like a part of the speaker's own self had died too.
What does the term 'National Defense plan' refer to in the context of the UK?
-The term 'National Defense plan' refers to a strategic and comprehensive plan that outlines the UK's preparedness and response to potential military conflicts or threats. It includes mobilization of resources, protection measures, and coordination of various government and military efforts.
How does the current world situation compare to the Cold War era according to the defense secretary mentioned in the transcript?
-According to the defense secretary, the current world situation is moving from a post-war to a pre-war world, akin to the tensions and uncertainties experienced during the Cold War era. He suggests that within five years, there could be multiple theaters of conflict involving countries like China, North Korea, Iran, and Russia, which would be a scale unseen since World War II.
What challenges do authoritarian regimes pose to the world order established after World War II?
-Authoritarian regimes challenge the world order established after World War II by contesting the assumptions of Western countries that life under the rule of law, liberal democracies, and economic growth can continue unhindered. They invest heavily in their armed forces and are willing to use military power in a hostile way, which threatens the fundamental existence and norms of the world order.
What is the role of the Army Reserve in the UK's defense strategy?
-The role of the Army Reserve in the UK's defense strategy is to backfill the British Army headcount in gaps, providing additional personnel and capabilities during times of crisis or conflict. They are also seen as a potential national resilience force that can support domestic resilience efforts.
What are the main reasons for the UK's current level of defense preparedness?
-The main reasons for the UK's current level of defense preparedness include economic pressures such as the energy cap and tax cuts, political pressures as defense is not a prioritized election issue, and ideological reasons within the government that prioritize economic stability over increased defense spending.
How does the UK government respond to the allegations of lacking a defense plan?
-The UK government responds by stating that the country has robust plans in place for a range of potential emergencies and scenarios, including a government resilience framework, a national risk register, and local resilience forums. However, the detail and specificity regarding a plan for a large-scale conflict like World War III are not provided.
What is the significance of the 'shadow scheme' from the 1930s?
-The 'shadow scheme' from the 1930s was a government plan to rapidly build up the UK's industrial base to produce weapons and aircraft in anticipation of war with Germany. It demonstrates the ability of the nation to mobilize resources quickly in response to a perceived threat, providing a historical example of preparedness.
What is the balance between deterrence and preparedness in the UK's defense strategy?
-The balance between deterrence and preparedness in the UK's defense strategy relies heavily on nuclear deterrence through the country's nuclear arsenal and NATO membership. However, there is a growing recognition of the need for a more comprehensive national defense plan and preparedness for scenarios beyond nuclear deterrence.
Outlines
🥊 Introduction to Real Talk: Discussing Unspoken Sporting Topics
The script begins with an introduction to Sky Sports' Real Talk, a new series that aims to delve into topics not commonly discussed in the sports world. The first topic is the emotional impact of the death of a sports personality, highlighting the intrusive thoughts and the emotional challenges faced by athletes. The episode then transitions into a discussion on the UK's readiness for war, considering the country's increased defense spending and the lack of a comprehensive National Defense plan. The conversation involves Deborah Haynes, the defense and security editor, and Rob Clark, an army reservist and policy director, who provide insights into the current global threats and the UK's preparedness.
🤔 UK Military Preparedness and National Resilience
This paragraph focuses on the UK's military preparedness and the concept of national resilience. It discusses the challenges faced by the UK Armed Forces, including procurement issues, the need for more efficient use of funds, and the pressure on the military to do more with less. The conversation also touches on the lack of a National Defense plan, the reliance on nuclear deterrence, and the importance of NATO membership. Rob Clark shares his perspective as an army veteran and recruiter, highlighting the need for key systems and architecture to enhance national resilience, which is currently lacking due to democratic values and slow mobilization capabilities.
🌐 Global Threats and Military Comparisons
The discussion moves to global threats and how they impact the UK's military preparedness. The panelists consider the ongoing conflicts, such as the Russia-Ukraine war, tensions in the Middle East, and the potential for escalation in China and North Korea. They also compare the UK's military capabilities with other nations, particularly Finland's large reserve forces and France's conscription history. The conversation addresses the economic, political, and ideological reasons behind the UK's defense spending and preparedness levels, emphasizing the need for a shift in mindset and investment in military capabilities.
🏭 Historical Precedents and Industrial Preparedness
This section delves into historical examples of industrial preparedness, specifically the 1930s shadow scheme, which rapidly built factories to produce weapons in anticipation of World War II. The discussion highlights the UK's ability to mobilize quickly in the past and contrasts it with the current challenges in rearming Ukraine. The conversation also touches on the importance of a strong industrial base for deterrence and the potential need to rebuild such capabilities to prepare for a pre-war world. The panelists emphasize the need for a whole-of-nation effort to build a credible military deterrent and the importance of public support for such an endeavor.
🛡️ The Role of the Army Reserve and Deterrence
The final paragraph focuses on the role of the Army Reserve and the concept of deterrence. Rob Clark discusses the potential for the Army Reserve to serve as a national capability and resilience force, highlighting the need for structural and appeal changes. The conversation also addresses the balance between deterrence and preparedness, questioning the reliance on nuclear deterrence and NATO membership. The panelists consider the implications of a deterrence failure and the importance of having plans in place for various scenarios. The UK government's response to the allegations of lacking a defense plan is also discussed, with a critique on the adequacy of local resilience forums' preparedness for a major conflict.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡National Defense Plan
💡Resilience
💡Strategic Reserves
💡NATO
💡Military Preparedness
💡Global Threats
💡Cold War
💡Nuclear Weapons
💡Procurement Disasters
💡Total War
💡Home Guard
Highlights
The UK spends over 50 billion pounds a year on defense, which is more than 2% of GDP, yet there are concerns about readiness for war.
There is an absence of a National Defense plan for the UK, which is a cause for concern in the face of increasing global threats.
The world is becoming more dangerous with ongoing conflicts such as the Russia-Ukraine war and tensions in the Middle East, Taiwan, and China.
The Defense Secretary's statement about moving from a post-war to a pre-war world indicates a shift in global security dynamics.
The UK's military strength has been diminished due to a lack of investment and procurement issues, affecting its overall preparedness.
The UK's reliance on nuclear weapons and NATO membership for deterrence may not be enough in the face of evolving threats.
The concept of national resilience is key to preparedness, but the UK lacks the systems and architecture to support it effectively.
The UK's reserve forces are not as well-prepared or mobilized as they could be, presenting a significant disadvantage in times of crisis.
Comparing the UK's defense preparedness with countries like Finland highlights a gap in the UK's national resilience strategy.
The conversation around conscription and civilian training for war is immature and complex in the UK, reflecting broader societal and political challenges.
Economic pressures, political priorities, and ideological reasons contribute to the UK's defense spending and preparedness challenges.
The UK needs to reassess its defense capabilities and invest strategically to address gaps and build a credible deterrent.
The historical example of the 1930s shadow scheme demonstrates the UK's ability to rapidly build an industrial base for wartime needs.
The current state of the UK's heavy industries and steel production poses challenges for arming and preparing for potential conflicts.
The UK must balance deterrence and preparedness with the reality that significant investments may not immediately show tangible results.
The government's response to concerns about defense planning highlights a reliance on existing frameworks but acknowledges the need for continuous review.
The importance of a comprehensive national defense plan is emphasized, as local resilience forums lack specific plans for war.
Transcripts
the boxer in me was just like don't let
them see you cry don't let them see you
cry welcome to Sky Sports Real Talk the
brand new series where we'll be deep
diving into topics that aren't often
spoken about in a sporting context
you'll hear Sports people talk like
you've never heard them
before when he died obviously a part of
me died this intrusive thought popped
into my head everyone tells you about
being assaulted was true like I just
didn't know what to do Join Me Miriam
Walker KH for real
talk hello this is Tom cheser on the Sky
News Daily standing in for Neil
Patterson on this episode we're delving
into whether the UK is really ready for
a war now given we spend more than 50
billion pounds a year more than 2% of
GDP on defense you'd hope the answer
would be yes but it's not that
straightforward so our defense and
security editor Deborah Haynes has spent
a lot of time considering exactly this
question
why well we don't have a plan we don't
have a National Defense plan and the
government is saying how we're living in
an increasingly dangerous world as we
did during the Cold War but back then
there was a plan for all of this and
right now we don't have one so that's
what I've been looking into that's not
very reassuring but we've got you here
and joining us too is Rob Clark he
served in the Army in both Iraq and
Afghanistan and he's now an army
reservist he's also policy director at
the policy Institute
curia Deborah can we start painting a
picture of what is quite a hostile world
we think the Russia Ukraine war still
going at loggerheads all these years in
you've got Israel Hamas The Wider Middle
East uncertainty we've seen with you
know whether Iran might escalate China
we look at what's happening there in
terms of their belligerence around
Taiwan or what they're doing to Filipino
ships and that's actually really
powerful that you could easily see a
configration there how dangerous is the
world right now really dangerous and the
defense secretary actually who hasn't
been in the job relatively speaking very
long in January said we're moving from a
post-war to a pre-war world and he
talked about within five years there
being multiple theaters and you can only
extrapolate of conflict in China North
Korea Iran and of course Russia war in
Europe on a scale that hasn't been seen
since 19
1945 and of course the Middle East INF
Flames any one of those different crises
contained at the moment within the
borders that they're being contained
within could spark either by accident or
by Design into a global war can we draw
down where that might come from Iran
North Korea you know familiar to us from
the old axis of Evil uh back in the
George Bush days when he was president
but adding Russia and China in the mix
those are two big big militaries what
are the sort of specific things there is
it technological threats is it where
they are is it how the war might start
what are we looking at it's a challenge
to the
fundamental uh existence and World norms
and rules that we've all grown up with
since the end of the second world war
that's what's happening right now so the
assumption that Western countries have
enjoyed really for the last few decades
that life as they know it under the rule
of law with liberal democracies economic
growth uh you know by and large can
happily continue is being contested by
authoritarian regimes and they have
unlike Western countries invested very
heavily and strategically in their Armed
Forces China in particular Russia they
are ramping up weapons production on a
scale that European countries can only
stand and watch by and also relying on
Iran North Korea to help rearm them and
so it's a different level of military
power and willingness to use it in a
hostile way and that's what leaders
today are grappling with because we just
simply haven't had that since the second
world war even something like the Korean
War wouldn't well since the Cold War I
mean in the Cold War you have to
remember that those days were absolutely
dominated by the fear of nuclear
Annihilation the second world war that
use was at a time when only one country
had nuclear arms now we're in a world
where there are several countries that
have nuclear weapons and the actual
blast capacity the destructive force of
these nuclear weapons today are on a
magnitude that is incomparable in terms
of scale to what we saw used in Japan
there was a choreography when dealing
with the warsa pack countries each side
had large arm forces at a high level of
Readiness and they spoke to each other
in a language they understood and there
was a way to deal with moments of
tension moments of potential escalation
and there was also a buffer between the
conventional forces the large scale High
Readiness conventional forces and
nuclear Armageddon but since the end of
the Cold War when all of that thinking
at least on the western side has fall en
away and the size of the conventional
militaries such as here in the UK has
significantly contracted there's less of
a buffer and there's not been as much
attention given to that threat of
nuclear Annihilation that maybe should
begin to happen given the threats from
Russia and when you say that that
choreography it's not just choreography
we used to have a specific plan and
that's what your sources are saying we
just don't have now which seems pretty
extraordinary it blew my mind frankly
we've been looking at the state of the
UK Armed Forces they get a lot of money
invested into them there's been lots of
procurement disasters the money is not
spent as well as it should be government
decisions over time on the armed forces
have been questionable and they've been
wanting the military to do more with
less and that's no secret you know
obviously there's a an absolute need to
invest in our defenses given the threats
that we've just talked about but then
you know looking at the actual state of
of defense and what it's designed for I
was speaking to different sources and it
became apparent that we don't actually
anymore have a National Defense plan we
absolutely rely on our nuclear weapons
to deter threats because obviously we
have that ability to respond with
nuclear force and as importantly as that
our membership of the NATO alliance and
NATO has a huge War plan of course it
does it's that's its entire rais on Deb
is to defend the alliance but back in
the Cold War Days NATO had its plans but
the UK also had a national plan it was
called the government War book and it
had different levels of things to do
lists really a to-do list in the event
of potential war that would complement
the NATO alert so the NATO alert would
go up and the the UK alert would also go
up mean these plans were they're
meticulous they red from anything from
mobilizing the reserves to removing
artwork from London to put them
somewhere more protected and everything
in between from closing hospitals uh or
evacuating hospitals of anyone but the
most sick obviously closing schools
dealing with securing the ports food
supply water supply putting industry on
a war footing so you could produce the
weapons that you need this isn't
something that defense alone
ever did it's a whole of society it's a
whole of society thing and we seem to
have just completely lost that let's
bring in Rob Clark now because you are
an army veteran you're now the policy
director at curia and given given your
experience in recruitment why do you
think we are where we are in terms of UK
preparedness in terms of what Deborah's
outlined there I joined the army at 19
years old I quit University join the
height of the Iraq War to serve in Iraq
I stayed in for tours of Afghanistan and
then I left in 2014 and I joined the
Army Reserves where I still serve now
mainly as a recruiter and I train
reservist recruits in terms of the UK's
effort for preparedness there's a
obviously a huge buzz word going around
which is resiliency and National
resiliency but we're really missing the
Key Systems in architecture which enable
resiliency which authoritarian
governments like China like Russia can
enact very quickly simply because they
aren't beholden to uh liberal Democratic
Values such as we are in the west and we
can see that here in the UK quite
readily in terms of the the lack of the
ability to mobilize the Armed Forces at
a time of great crisis we have done in
the past but not since the second world
war and we can see that very easily
today for instance we have the Reserves
and we've also got the Strategic
reserves now the Strategic reserves is
where in the event of a great crisis or
a great War the idea on paper is that we
can draw recent service so military
personnel from all branches who have
left the military within around eight
years they're still liable for calling
up in times of National Emergency and
War however having spoken quite recently
to several former colleagues and friends
who who left the Armed Forces not not a
single one of them have notified either
the ministry of defense or rather the
department getting in touch with them to
see about the contact details are still
correct and up to dat simple things like
uh the ability to communicate with these
personnel
in order to draw them up in times of
Crisis so that's a huge disadvantage
when it comes to things like National
resiliency and mobilization for our
armed forces and the The Wider Reserve
forces and then we can see parallels
with the rest of Europe just to use
Finland as as a very quick example their
overall Reserve forces are around
900,000 now to put that into context The
Finnish population is around 5 a half
million so if the UK were able to draw
on the same National resilience see and
framework for mobilization we would be
able to draw on a reserve force of
around 4 and a half million which is
understandably uh probably quite
unrealistic finland's obviously shaped
by its you know its very long border
with Russia and its history with Russia
if if we're doing other comparisons and
I think you know the comparison should
always be France right from a military
perspective it's always been who we've
measured ourselves against um since you
know aenor and before that through the
wars and that's slightly inj but for a
bigger country we've also got iron
Advantage as we're in Ireland do we need
to necessarily be like Finland and have
that bigger Reserve Force because that
is a lot we're a bigger country we're a
bigger economy we've got nuclear weapons
and that's for both you do we want to
model celles on Finland do we want to be
closer to France which has a it's
important to mention like France that
conscription only ended in France in
1997 it has a very different approach to
you it's like an allergic reaction over
here the word conscription um we had the
the latvians reintroducing conscription
recently in the wake of what happened in
Ukraine and uh then suddenly our you
know and then our head of our army made
this very important speech where he
talked about civilians training
civilians for war and how you know
armies start wars and civilians end them
which obviously is what you're seeing in
Ukraine with all the civilians that have
been mobilized and then the chief of the
defense staff Admiral saton Rakin came
out in a subsequent speech and said
nobody's talking about conscript ion uh
so it's it's a bit of an immature
conversation I think in the UK Rob can
you break down the reasons economic
reasons political reasons why the UK
doesn't have that level of preparedness
there's really sort of three main
reasons these can be broken down into
economic pressures political pressures
ideological reasons as well within the
government so short term we've got
obviously the energy cap the pension
triple lock for instance tax cuts um
these all are placing immense economic
pressure on the government to not
increase defense spending and
concentrate more on the domestic
political and economic agenda
particularly as we gear into a general
election more longer term there's
immense borrowing and debt incurred
obviously from the Furlow scheme and the
longer lasting impact of covid and
obviously the war in Ukraine as well
which the UK is spending between two and
two and a half billion pounds a year
mainly out of the ministry of Defense
budget for supplementals which is
additional costs the political pressures
are a little bit more nuanced defense
has never really been viewed as an
election year policy and then finally
the ideological reasons why we're not
really investing or we're not really
prepared to invest in in defense um both
the chancellor and the Prime Minister
have insisted that defense spending will
rise but uh the economic stability
growth is a prerequisite for that
increased spending on defense Rob H how
do we fix that you know give given that
reaction to the very idea of
conscription when it was mentioned and
shouted down as de for saying how do you
change that mindset how do you change
those sort of recruitment methods going
forward in terms of developing
capability and resiliency and therefore
deterrence the whole point is to deter
War rather than actually fight it which
is infinitely more costly uh we do have
to increase spending and this comes back
to the wider political debate which is
incredibly timely at the minute
regarding uh defense spending and really
I think the the key thing to do here is
to move away from the conversation of uh
you know 2.5 % of GDP or 3% of GDP uh as
as useful benchmarks as they are and
they help the conversation really we
have to have a capability assessment um
of our armed forces and where these
enormous black holes in capability lie
at the moment we have armed forces that
have been shaped and designed by
Financial envelopes as opposed to a
genuine assessment if you want to look
at the fact that we live in a pre-war
world as the defense secretary has said
and what that then means in terms of the
kind of armed forces that you need are
air defenses for example they're
practically non-existent we have
warships called type 45 destroyers that
are equipped with the air defense
systems that can protect us from
incoming fast missiles but that has to
be in the right place it's not very
heartwarming I mean isn't isn't that the
counterargument to all of this that you
know generals are always going to want
more soldiers Admirals are going to want
more ships and um destroyers but given
that we already spent more than 50
billion pounds and we're still in this
state and the Armed Force just asking
for more money when it they haven't even
matched the capability yet but that's
the thing though isn't it it's not the
Armed Forces we're talking about the
whole of society what people are talking
about in terms of this National Defense
plan of course the ministry of defense
and the military is part of it but it's
something that historically has been led
by the Prime Minister and the cabinet
office it's a central government all of
nation effort and yes it means it would
cost more money but if you're thinking
about building up deterrence genuine
deterant credible military with the
capacity to fight an enduring operation
an industrial base that actually can
build the weapons that then would be
needed to arm any civilians that then
decided they wanted to go and and fight
um then it's it's an effort that the
entire nation um should be supporting if
that's what they believe I I suppose the
question then becomes if if that worst
case scenario is to happen that
industrial base you're talking about in
particular is that even possible these
days well that the question we were
asking and we decided to go back to
the 1930s the last time we were five
years before a war in a pre-war world to
use the defense secretary's words and
the government of the day um came up
with a plan it was called a shadow
scheme they could see the threat of war
with Germany looming they could see that
their industrial base was not sufficient
to be able to build the weapons that
needed the aircraft in particular and
these shadow factories were then built
really rapidly there was one in cast
bromage in Birmingham um and it was a
Farmland it was Countryside and within
months it they built up this enormous
Factory um to build Spitfires and by the
end of the war um this facility had
built almost 12,000 Spitfires I mean the
RF would just be like you know dribbling
with excitement at the idea of even a
fraction of that number over the course
of 20 years let alone 12,000 uh in such
a well almost 12,000 in such a small
short face of time it shows that we can
do it of course we import a lot of our
weapons um our steel industry the heavy
industries that provide the raw material
that you need like the explosives that
you need for ammunition we're seeing a
huge problem with that now in terms of
even trying to rearm Ukraine with the
artillery and the ammunition that it
needs to fight people are talking about
this but the criticism is it's not
happening at the speed um of
relevance
let's just take a quick pause there and
after the break we'll look at what the
UK should be thinking about to make sure
the nation is ready for
war we're back with our security and
defense editor Deborah Haynes and army
reservist Rob
Clark Rob we've talked about threats and
weaknesses in our current defense and
security funding but when it comes to
being an army reservist and training
reservists what are the sorts of changes
that need to be made I see the reserves
as a national capability completely
stand alone to the British army the
whole point of the Army Reserve is to
backfill British Army headcount in gaps
Army 2030 for instance had a policy
where onethird of all British Army
deployments would be from the Army
Reserve and I see that day in day out
year in year out that it is not even
close to hitting that Target now there's
a multitude of reasons for this so the
Army Reserve currently have a number of
around
27,000 person now is a very skewed
perception of the capability the the
Army Reserve have and that requires
fundamental changes in both structure
and appeal uh for people joining the
Army Reserve I think separately the Army
Reserve really should be this like a
like a national resilience force or like
a home guard where we could see just how
intrinsic both the Army and the Army
Reserve were during for instance the
covid pandemic and things like the NHS
strikes the B four strikes so we can see
the need from a domestic angle from a
domestic resilience perspective to have
a greater incorporation of particularly
the reserves if we think about getting
ready for war is there a danger that as
you said this this would cost money a
war book you know cost money to run
where do we get the line right on
deterrence you know it never happens
people say why do we spend money on it
but actually you could bankrupt yourself
getting ready for a war That Never Comes
so how do you strike that balance
deterrence when it works means that
nothing happens so you know you could
argue that it has worked and the
investment was worthwhile but you've got
nothing to show for it because the war
never happened I think the the sense
from everybody that I'm speaking to or
I've been speaking to um looking at the
the threat landscape um and the
unpredictability of um of of the
different powers that are involved the
the sort of the policy seems to have
been in government that deterrence will
work in the form of the nuclear
Arsenal that we have this submarine that
is permanently with four submarines
nuclear armed one is permanently at Sea
ready to to deploy nuclear weapons in
the defense of this nation then then the
membership of NATO that that deterrence
is enough which means that it it won't
fail but then they don't ask the
question what if it fails and that's the
question now people say must be asked I
ought to as well just bring in what the
government has said in response to our
reporting on all of this because
obviously I had to go to them and ask
them about how these allegations that we
don't have a defense plan the cabinet
office said that the country has robust
plans in place for a range of potential
emergencies and scenarios with plans and
supporting Arrangements developed
refined and tested over many years and
it goes on to the the spokesperson lists
various issues like the the government
resilience framework a national risk
register there these local resilience
forums but I which is you know it's all
very true sounds very reassuring it
sound and it says a part a part of a
broad emergency response capabilities
all local resilience forums have plans
in place to respond to a range of
scenarios and the government continues
to review the risk landscape including
threats from overseas but I flick
through the risk register and it offers
a lot more information on floods
pandemics terrorism cyber attacks than
it does about the event of World War III
for example and I also contacted a
number of these local resilience forums
and they did confirm that they
themselves these local forums don't have
specific plans for war they rely on
central government for that uh which
seems is maybe scrambling to now draw
one up
hopefully fail to plan plan to fail as
the phrase goes Rob Clark Deens thank
you very much indeed
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