Why platonism/platonic concepts are fodder and don't scale anywhere
Summary
TLDRThe video script critiques Platonism, a philosophy asserting that abstract forms or ideas are the true reality from which material objects derive. It argues that while Plato was right about the abstract nature of concepts like mathematics, he erred by considering all concepts as objective, including subjective ones like beauty and victory. The speaker contends that Platonism fails because it cannot account for the existence of subjective concepts and their lack of universal applicability. The argument concludes that Platonism's value is limited, especially without a proper understanding of the distinction between objective and subjective concepts.
Takeaways
- 📚 Platonism is a philosophical theory suggesting that material objects are derived from abstract, immaterial concepts or 'forms'.
- 📐 Plato used mathematics as an example of abstract concepts, positing that they exist in a realm called the 'hyperuranium' or 'world of ideas'.
- 🤔 The speaker argues that Platonism fails because it assumes all concepts are objective and universally applicable, ignoring the existence of subjective concepts.
- 🧐 Objective concepts are described as universally valid and applicable, such as mathematics and space-time, with underlying universal rules or axioms.
- 💭 Subjective concepts, on the other hand, are considered to lack universal applicability, such as the concepts of beauty, victory, or glory, which are human constructs.
- 🔍 The script highlights the issue with Platonism's view that subjective concepts like beauty are objective, suggesting that transcending such concepts is nonsensical.
- 🌐 It is argued that transcending dimensions or space-time implies being above the origin of physical structures, which is a flawed notion when applied to subjective concepts.
- 🚫 The speaker asserts that subjective concepts do not exist in a transcendent or objective sense, challenging the foundational assumptions of Platonism.
- 🔄 The script suggests that there is no correlation between Platonic concepts and higher scaling or outaversal concepts, indicating a disconnect in Platonic thought.
- 🔄 The final point made is that subjective concepts are non-existent in an objective sense, and that value cannot be created without a real and correct skill to follow.
Q & A
What is Platonism and why is it considered useless by the speaker?
-Platonism is a philosophical theory that suggests every material object is derived from a perfect, abstract, and immaterial concept or form. The speaker considers it useless because it fails to account for concepts that do not have universal or existential applicability, treating them as if they were objective when they are actually subjective.
What does the speaker mean by 'hyperuranium' or 'world of ideas'?
-The 'hyperuranium' or 'world of ideas' refers to Plato's concept of a realm where perfect forms or ideas exist, separate from the material world. It is the place where Plato believed the true essence of all things resided.
Why does the speaker argue that Plato was only partly right?
-The speaker acknowledges that Plato was correct in considering abstract concepts like mathematics and time as existing independently of the physical world. However, the issue arises when Plato extended this idea to subjective concepts, treating them as if they were objective and part of the perfect forms.
What is the difference between objective and subjective concepts according to the script?
-Objective concepts are those that are universally or essentially valid and applicable in all cases, such as mathematics and space-time. Subjective concepts, on the other hand, lack universal applicability and are more related to human ideation, such as the concepts of beauty, victory, or glory.
How does the speaker refute the idea of transcending subjective concepts like beauty?
-The speaker argues that transcending subjective concepts is nonsensical because these concepts do not have a physical property, axiom, or universal principle. They are human constructs and do not exist in a way that can be transcended or scaled.
What does the speaker imply about the existence of subjective concepts?
-The speaker implies that subjective concepts do not have an actual existence; they are human ideations and lack any objective value or universal principle, thus they cannot be said to exist in any real or objective sense.
What is the speaker's stance on the correlation between Platonic concepts and higher scaling?
-The speaker believes that there is no correlation between Platonic concepts and higher scaling, especially when it comes to subjective concepts, as they do not have a basis in objective reality.
Why does the speaker say that Plato ignored the practical implications of his theory?
-The speaker suggests that Plato ignored the practical implications by treating all concepts as if they were copies of perfect forms, without considering the subjective nature of some concepts and their lack of existential applicability.
What is the speaker's final point regarding the existence of concepts?
-The speaker's final point is that there is only one thing that truly exists, which is that which is, and there is no such thing as that which exists but cannot be, implying that subjective concepts do not truly exist.
How does the speaker view the practicality of Platonism in everyday life?
-The speaker views Platonism as impractical in everyday life, especially when it comes to subjective concepts, because it does not provide a real or correct skill to follow in the first place.
What does the speaker suggest about the value of beauty?
-The speaker suggests that the value of beauty is subjective and does not exist in an objective way. It is a human construct and cannot be used as a basis for creating value at will.
Outlines
📚 Critique of Platonism
This paragraph critically examines Platonism, a philosophical theory suggesting that material objects are derived from abstract, immaterial concepts. It argues that while Plato was correct in considering abstract concepts like mathematics as existing in a 'hyperuranion' or realm of ideas, he erred by assuming all concepts, including subjective ones like beauty and victory, to be objective. The summary points out that Platonism fails to account for the existence of subjective concepts, which lack universal applicability and do not exist in a transcendent realm. The critique emphasizes the distinction between objective concepts, which have universal rules or axioms, and subjective concepts, which are human ideations without physical properties or existential principles.
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Keywords
💡Platonism
💡Abstract
💡Immaterial
💡Hyperuranium (World of Ideas)
💡Objective Concepts
💡Subjective Concepts
💡Transcendence
💡Existential Applicability
💡Axioms
💡Dimensional Structure
💡Intellectual Critique
Highlights
Platonism is a philosophical theory suggesting that material objects are derived from abstract, immaterial concepts.
Plato posited that abstract entities like mathematics exist in a realm called the hyperuranium or world of ideas.
Plato's theory is criticized for considering everything as a copy of an original perfect form, ignoring non-existent concepts.
Concepts are differentiated into objective and subjective, with objective concepts being universally valid.
Subjective concepts lack universal applicability and are considered human ideations without physical properties.
Transcending a concept of dimensions or space-time implies being above the origin of physical structures.
The concept of beauty is used as an example of a subjective idea that lacks an objective, existential level.
Plato's error is highlighted in considering concepts like beauty as objective, leading to flawed transcendental conclusions.
The speaker argues that there is no correlation between Platonic concepts and higher scaling or outaversal.
Subjective concepts do not exist in reality; only that which exists without qualification is acknowledged.
The absence of a qualifiable objective value means that value itself cannot be created at will.
Platonism and related concepts are deemed useless unless applied to the Platonic concept of time and space.
The speaker emphasizes that Platonic concepts fail to scale without a proper understanding of time and space.
The critique of Platonism centers on its inability to account for the existence or non-existence of concepts.
The speaker concludes that Platonic ideas are fundamentally flawed without a basis in objective reality.
Transcripts
let's talk about why platonism is
completely useless and scales absolutely
nowhere platonism in simple terms is a
philosophical theory that says that from
every material object derives its own
concept its own perfect origin where the
material object cannot be the cause of
its own existence and depends on
something higher precisely a concept
that has a properties of being abstract
and immaterial Plato as an example used
mathematics and numbers as he considered
them to be abstract and considered every
single contingent in contingent entity
to be derived from something and that is
why Plato shoved all these perfect
Origins and forms into a single realm
called the hyper uranium or the world of
ideas only in part was Plato really
right that in cases where he took time
or even mathematics as references and
considered them abstract Concepts the
problem arises at a point where he
himself considered everything to be a
copy of what was the original and
perfect form without any Scruples in
practice he ignored the case where there
are Concepts that don't actually exist
to get into specifics a concept is an
idea a conception that represents a
phenomenon its origin there are Concepts
considered as objective since they are
universally or essentially valid and
applicable in all cases and occasions
but there are also subjective Concepts
since they have no Universal or
existential applicability objective
concepts for example are mathematics
space time or any High physical value
that has a universal rules or axioms on
which to rest subjective Concepts on the
other hand are ideas such as Duality
between fire and water or fire and ice
light Darkness good evil the concept of
Glory Victory Beauty fear and the likes
the difference is obvious transcending a
concept of Dimensions or space and time
implies that no matter what physical or
dimensional structure you may have
because you are above the very origin
from which the structure comes you will
automatically and logically find
yourself above the structure itself in
contrast to transcending the concept of
beauty that doesn't qualify for anything
since Beauty itself doesn't exist it's a
human ideation that lacks any physical
property Axiom or Universal principle on
the existential level the same reason it
applies for Glory and any other
subjective concept going back to Plato
the point is that he considered things
like Victory or beauty objective and
therefore following platonism
transcending something like evil or
Justice should qualify to be Beyond any
physical or dimensional extension or
applicability I think it's also
self-evident that this is a load of crap
but for the developed feel of Intel like
who don't get it it seems to me to be
proper to say that between a platonic
concept and an outaversal or higher
scaling there is no correlation the last
point to be made is a subjective
Concepts do not exist in fact there's
only one that which is and cannot be
there is that which exists there is not
that which exists which cannot
I don't know if that's just what I said
therefore if the concept of beauty is
subjective this is an example by the way
it does not mean that it exists in a
subjective way but it means directly
that beauty does not exist and therefore
since there is no qualifiable objective
value that it is possible to create the
value itself at will precisely because
there is no real and correct skill to
follow the first place so platonism and
things that relate to platonism skill
absolutely nowhere unless you're scaling
the platonic concept of time and space
if you're not scaling the platonic
concepts of time and space then it
skills absolutely nowhere
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