Piers Morgan Calls For Two-State Solution And Asks Israeli Spokesperson Mark Regev How War Will End

Piers Morgan Uncensored
23 Jan 202413:41

Summary

TLDRمرحبًا بكم في本期 من برنامج بيرس مورغان، نناقش الصراع الإسرائيلي الفلسطيني ودور رئيس الوزراء الإسرائيلي بنيامين نتنياهو في الصراع. يُعتقد أن التوصل إلى حل شامل لن يكون ممكنًا بدون حل الدولتين. يشدد مورغان على أن الصراع يؤدي إلى تصاعد العدالة في الوسط الشرقي والعالم الإسلامي. يُعتبر نتنياهو قد أبtul عن أي محاولة لتحقيق حل الدولتين، مع تصريحاته الأخيرة التي تشير إلى وجود دولة واحدة فقط من النهر إلى البحر. في الوقت الذي يتحدث فيه الرئيس بييدن عن القدرة على التوصل إلى حل الدولتين، يؤكد نتنياهو أنه لن يتراجع عن سيطرته الأمنية على الأراضي غرب نهر الأردن. ويناقش المتحدث الرسمي لحكومة إسرائيل مارك ريجف عن الصراع وحقوق الفلسطينيين في إقامة دولتهم.

Takeaways

  • 🕊️ الصراع الفلسطيني-إسرائيلي يتطلب حلًا شاملًا بالإثنين الدولة لتحقيق السلام الدامغ.
  • 🗣️ رئيس الوزراء الإسرائيلي بنيامين نتنياهو يتجاهل أي فكرة عن حل بالإثنين الدولة ويشدد على السيطرة الأمنية على الأراضي غرب نهر الأردن.
  • 🔄 تعاون الطرفين في الصراع يبدو مستمرًا مع تصريحات نتنياهو تعكس الstance الواحدة الدولة.
  • 🌐 توقعات الرئيس بييدن أن الصراع يمكن حله مع نتنياهو في السلطة تعارض مع تصريحات نتنياهو الرسمية.
  • 🛡️ الدعم الكامل من حزب نتنياهو للسيطرة الأمنية الإسرائيلية على الأراضي الفلسطينية.
  • 🤬 الانتقادات الصارمة لبعض التصريحات التي ي发表ها نتنياهو ودعمه للغة العنصرية ضد الفلسطينيين.
  • 🚫 نفي الوجود الأخلاقي لحماس ولا يبرر الهجوم الوحشي الذي قامت به على 7 أكتوبر.
  • 💣 الصراع يؤدي إلى تصاعد العنف وزيادة التطرف في الفلسطينيين ضد إسرائيل.
  • 🔎 توقعات من قبل نتنياهو بأن يخرج حماس من الصراع وإعلان فوزًا على الآثار.
  • 📢 دعوة من قبل النايب الإسرائيلي إيهوب باراك إلى نتنياهو بدعوة قوية للاستقالة لتجنب التدهور المستقبلي للإسرائيل.

Q & A

  • ما هي الرؤية الأساسية لحل الدولتين في إسرائيل وفلسطين؟

    -الرؤية الأساسية هي الاعتراف من الجانبين للحق الآخر في الوجود، مما يعني أن الفلسطينيين يتمتعون بنفس الحقوق مثل الإسرائيليين ويضمن الاستقرار والأمان لإسرائيل.

  • لماذا يرى بيرنارد نتنياهو أن حل الدولتين مهجوف؟

    -因为他的讲话越来越极端,他明确表示只看到一个国家,从河到海,这与建立巴勒斯坦国的原则相冲突。

  • ماذا قال نتنياهو عن السيطرة الأمنية على الأراضي التي تقع غرب نهر الأردن؟

    -他表示,无论有无协议,以色列必须对整个地区拥有安全控制权,这是必要条件。

  • ما هي الرؤية للرئيس بي든 بشأن حل الدولتين؟

    -بي든 يبدو متفائلًا بعد مكالمة هاتفية مع نتنياهو، قائلًا أن حل الدولتين لا يزال ممكنًا حتى مع نتنياهو في السلطة.

  • لماذا يعارض الحزب التقليدي في إسرائيل مناقشة الدولة الفلسطينية؟

    -هم يقولون أن مناقشة الدولة الفلسطينية هي تشويق للعنف ووضع سعر على الإرهاب.

  • ما هي الرأي الذي قدمه النايب الإسرائيلي السابق إيهود براك؟

    -براك طلب من نتنياهو أن يغادر ب的名义، ويحذر أن إسرائيل ستغرق في الوحل لسنوات قادمة إذا واصلت في قيادة البلاد.

  • ما هي الرؤية العسكرية لإسرائيل لقضاء حماس؟

    -الهدف هو تدمير حماس كقوة عسكرية وتحرير غزة من حكمها، مما سيؤدي إلى القضاء على التحريض وتحقيق الاستقرار.

  • ما هي الأرقام التي تشير إلى عدد المقاتلين في حماس؟

    -عدد المقاتلين في حماس يتراوح بين 30،000 إلى 36،000، وعدد القتلى من حماس يقدر بأكثر من 9،000.

  • كيف يرى النايب الإسرائيلي مارك رييف الصراع الحالي؟

    -رييف يرى أن الصراع يمكن أن يستمر لفترة طويلة إذا لم يتم تحديد أهداف سياسية واقعية، مما سيؤدي إلى تخفيف الدعم الأمريكي وخطر الاتفاقات الأمنية.

  • لماذا يرى أن الصراع يؤدي إلى تراجع تأييد الجمهور للحكومة؟

    -نسبة الدعم للحكومة تتراجع بسبب الصراع المستمر وعدم وجود هدف سياسي واضح، مما يؤدي إلى تقليل الدعم الأمريكي وخطر الاتفاقات الأمنية.

  • ما هي الرسالة التي يحاول ت 전ها النايب الإسرائيلي رييف للعالم؟

    -هي أن إسرائيل تسعى لتدمير حماس كقوة عسكرية و سياسية، وأنه يجب على الفلسطينيين الانضمام إلى حلقة السلام.

Outlines

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🕊️ الصراع الإسرائيلي-فلسطيني وعدم وجود حل بولاية اثنين

في الفقرة الأولى، يُناقش مقال في الصحيفة عن الصراع الإسرائيلي-فلسطيني وأهمية وجود حل بولاية اثنين للسلام الدام. يُشدد على أن الطرفان يجب أن يعترفا بحق الآخر في الوجود ويتمتع الفلسطينيون بنفس الحقوق مثل الإسرائيليين. يُناقش أن الوضع الحالي يؤدي إلى تصاعد الغضب في الوسط الشرقي والعالم الإسلامي، مما يضعف الأمان في إسرائيل. يُناقش أيضًا تصريحات رئيس الوزراء الإسرائيلي، بنjamin Netanyahu، حول السيطرة على الأراضي غرب نهر الأردن وعدم وجود حل بولاية اثنين. يُذكر أن الحوار مع بيدن، يبدو أن الأمل في حل بولاية اثنين لا يزال ممكنًا، لكن Netanyahu يؤكد مجددًا على السيطرة الأمنية على الأراضي. يُناقش التأثير على الفلسطينيين والدور الذي يلعبه في تطرفهم ضد إسرائيل.

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🔫 معارك المقاومة وعدد القتلى في الصراع

في الفقرة الثانية، يُناقش عدد القتلى من قِبل المقاومة الفلسطينية وعدد المقاتلين الذين قُتلوا من الطرف الإسرائيلي. يُناقش أن العمليات العسكرية أدت إلى القضاء على جزء كبير من قوة حماس، لكن هناك مناقشات حول الأرقام الفعلية. يُناقش أن المدنيين قد أصيبوا في الصراع، لكن الإسرائيليون ي坚称 أنهم لا يستهدفون المدنيين. يُناقش أن حماس يستخدم المدنيين كدرع، ويناقش كيف يمكن أن ينتهي الصراع ويتحقق النصر.

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🗳️ الدعم الداخلي و_EXTERNAL_ الصراع والدور السياسي

في الفقرة الثالثة، يُناقش الدعم الداخلي للحكومة الإسرائيلية والدعم للعمليات العسكرية ضد حماس. يُذكر أن الدعم يغطي ال光谱 السياسي في إسرائيل، وأن الصراع يوحد الإسرائيليين من جميع الاتجاهات. يُناقش أن الصراع يجب أن ينتهي بتدمير حماس كقوة سياسية وعسكرية. يُناقش التأثير على الاتفاقات الأمنية مثل اتفاقات أبراهام واتفاقيات السلام مع مصر والأردن. يُذكر أن تصاعد الصراع قد يؤدي إلى تخفيف الدعم للحكومة، لكن الدعم للأهداف العسكرية لا يزال قويًا.

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Keywords

💡الحل الدوائي للدولة

الحل الدوائي للدولة هو مفهوم يشير إلى إقامة دولة فلسطينية مستقلة بجانب إسرائيل. في النص، يُناقش الدعم أو المعارضة لهذا الحل، ويتم التأكيد على أنه من الضروري لتحقيق السلام الدامة. مثالاً من النص: 'لا يمكن أن تكون هناك سلام معنى ودائم في إسرائيل بدون حل الدولتين'.

💡بنجامين نتنياهو

بنجامين نتنياهو هو رئيس وزراء إسرائيل في النص، ويتم مناقشته حول موقفه المتعلق بحل الدولتين و安保控制 على الأراضي التي تبعد غرب نهر الأردن. مثالاً من النص: 'بينجامين يبدو أنه يرى فقط دولة واحدة من النهر إلى البحر'.

💡الشعبية

الشعبية هي القدرة على السيطرة على الأراضي والحكم عليها. في النص، يُناقش نتنياهو كيف يرى أن إسرائيل يجب أن تمتلك ال安保 الكامل على الأراضي غرب نهر الأردن، مما يعارض مفهوم الشعبية الفلسطينية. مثالاً من النص: 'الدولة الإسرائيلية يجب أن تمتلك ال安保 الكامل على الأراضي التي تبعد غرب نهر الأردن'.

💡حماس

حماس هي حركة سياسية اسلامية تحكم في قطاع غزة، ويتم في النص مناقشة دورها في الصراع وتأثيرها على الأوضاع الأمنية والسياسية. مثالاً من النص: 'ليس هناك دفاع لدعوة الفلسطينيين أحياء للبشر، أو لقول أن هناك مدنيين سلميين في غزة'.

💡الصراع الفلسطيني-الإسرائيلي

الصراع الفلسطيني-الإسرائيلي هو تنازع دائم بين الفلسطينيين وإسرائيليين منذ النصف العشرين من القرن العشرين. في النص، يُناقش الصراع وتأثيره على الأمن والاستقرار في المنطقة. مثالاً من النص: 'لا يمكن أن تكون هناك سلام معنى ودائم في إسرائيل بدون حل الدولتين'.

💡الأمن

الأمن هو القدرة على الحفاظ على الاستقرار والأمان في الأراضي. في النص، يُناقش أهمية الأمنية لإسرائيل وتأثيرها على العلاقات الدولية وال地元ية. مثالاً من النص: 'ال安保 هو الشرط الضروري لتحقيق السلام الدامة'.

💡المدنيين

المدنيين هم السكان العاديين الذين ليس لديهم دوراً في الصراع العسكري. في النص، يُناقش كيف يُستخدم المدنيين كدرع بشري من قِبَل حماس وتأثير ذلك على الصراع. مثالاً من النص: 'هل المقاتلين في حماس يرتدون ملابس المدنيين، هل هم مدنيين؟'.

💡الصراع في غزة

الصراع في غزة هو تنازع مستمر بين إسرائيل وحماس في قطاع غزة. في النص، يُناقش الصراع وتأثيره على المدنيين والأمن في المنطقة. مثالاً من النص: 'الصراع في غزة يؤدي إلى تدمير وخسائر بشرية كبيرة'.

💡الصراع العلني

الصراع العلني هو الصراع الذي يظهر على الساحة العامة ويؤثر على الرأي العام. في النص، يُناقش الصراع العلني بين الأحزاب المختلفة في إسرائيل وتأثيره على السياسات. مثالاً من النص: 'المجتمع الإسرائيلي موحد أن حماس يجب أن تُدمر كقوة سياسية وعسكرية'.

💡الصراع الداخلي

الصراع الداخلي هو الصراع الذي يحدث داخل المجموعة أو الدولة. في النص، يُناقش الصراع الداخلي في إسرائيل حول ال安防 سياسة وتأثيره على العلاقات الدولية. مثالاً من النص: 'الصراع الداخلي في إسرائيل يؤثر على الدعم الأمريكي والاتفاقات الأمنية مع الدول العربية'.

Highlights

Piers Morgan emphasizes the importance of a two-state solution for lasting peace in Israel.

Netanyahu's rhetoric suggests abandoning the two-state solution in favor of Israel's control from the river to the sea.

Biden remains optimistic about a two-state solution despite Netanyahu's stance.

Netanyahu's hardline stance is supported by his party, contradicting the idea of a Palestinian state.

Criticism of Netanyahu's dehumanizing comments towards Palestinians and supporters' extreme views.

Mark Regev, Israeli government spokesman, argues Israel's right to self-defense and security.

Regev discusses the recent normalization of relations between Israel and several Arab countries.

Regev claims Israel does not target innocent civilians and accuses Hamas of using human shields.

Estimates of Hamas militants killed in conflict, with Regev suggesting over 9,000.

Concerns raised about the escalating death toll and potential catastrophic levels.

Regev outlines Israel's military strategy to dismantle Hamas's military capabilities.

Ehud Barak warns of the consequences of Netanyahu's leadership and the lack of a political goal.

Regev argues that Israeli society is united in the aim to destroy Hamas as a political and military force.

Debate on Netanyahu's leadership and calls for his resignation amidst low approval ratings.

Piers Morgan calls for Netanyahu to face tough questions in an interview with non-American media.

Transcripts

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well good evening from London good to be

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back in our Capital City Welcome to

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Piers Morgan un sensitive there could be

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no meaningful and Lasting peace in

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Israel without a two-state solution that

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is surely a fundamental fact it means

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both sides of Mis intractable conflict

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recognize another's right to exist it

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means that Palestinians have the same

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rights as Israelis enshrined in law it

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daes the Flames of burning resentment

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which rage across the Middle East and so

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much of the Muslim world and in doing so

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it would ultimately make Israel a safer

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place place but prime minister Benjamin

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netan has abandoned all pretense of a

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two-state solution with increasingly

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asendur rhetoric he's made it crystal

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clear that he sees only one state from

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The River To The

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Sea I clarify that in any arrangement in

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the foreseeable future with an accord or

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without an accord the state of Israel

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must have security control over the

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entire territory west of the Jordan

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River that's a necessary condition it

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clashes with the principle of

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sovereignty this weekend Netanyahu

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doubled down again President Biden spoke

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to him for the first time in a month

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emerging optimistically from the phone

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call to say a two-state solution is

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still possible even with Netanyahu in

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charge but then Netanyahu responded by

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posting this I will not compromise on

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full Israeli security control over all

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the territory west of Jordan and this is

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contrary to a Palestinian State and the

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hardliners in his own party are backing

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him to the hilt they say that even

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discussing a Palestinian state is

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rewarding violence and putting a price

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on terror but that is the text but

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rhetoric of an occupying power it's

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precisely the dynamic that has

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radicalized Palestinians against Israel

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there is no moral defense of Hamas and

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no justification for its barbaric attack

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on October the 7th I've made that

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repeatedly clear but there's also no

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defense of calling Palestinians Human

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animals for claiming there are no

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innocent civilians in Gaza over for

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saying the common goal of all Israelis

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is to erase Gaza from the face of the

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Earth all genuine comments made by

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supporters of Netanyahu since the War

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Began Leto looks increasingly like he's

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clinging to power and pandering to the

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hardliners in his cabinet to keep his

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job former Israel Israeli Prime Minister

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ehu Barak today told Netanyahu in the

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name of God go warning that Israel will

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sink in the Gaz of mud for years to come

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if he continues to lead the country

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protesters today storm the Israeli

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Parliament to demand netanyahu's

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government does more to secure the

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return of their loved ones still held

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captive by the very people he vowed to

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eradicate yes Israel must defend itself

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every country has that right and Duty

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he's right about that but he must also

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recognize that the war cannot go on

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forever Hamas is both a proponent and a

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product of Oppression without freedom

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and rights more radicalization will

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surely follow one of Israel's most

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distinguished leaders once wrote that an

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open-ended allout war in Gaza would be

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Hollow and self-defeating the Hamas

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leaders would come out from their holes

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and declare Victory among the ruins he

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said who was it that wrote those words

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Benjamin

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Netanyahu well joining me first to

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discuss this is Israeli government

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spokesman Mark reg Mark regev good to

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see you uh and a belated happy New Year

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we haven't spoken this year A lot has

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happened since we last spoke I have a

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simple question following Benjamin

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netanyahu's rhetoric in the last few

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days which is what gives Israel the

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right to believe that it should exercise

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this kind of control over Palestinians

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rights to have their own

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State the right of self-defense the

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right of my country to live in security

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the fact that we have to base peace on

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realities and not some sort of pip tream

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and the reality will always be for the

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foreseeable future that Israel lives in

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a tough neighborhood and any peace

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understandings reached that don't take

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that into account and aren't built

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solidly on security and an infrastr

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structure of security no such peace can

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survive right but but is this open-ended

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then is this forever is Israel's

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position now a totally implacable there

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will never be a two-state solution

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because Benjamin netanyahu's words

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certainly suggest

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that so you've seen and you know that

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over the last half decade we've seen

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peace break out between Israel and a

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series of Arab countries the UAE Bahrain

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Morocco uh you've seen talk of a peace

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agreement with Saudi Arabia which the

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Saudis despite the current fighting have

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still said is is on the table now we

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believe as Israel moves and is accepted

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more and more by the Arab world and this

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is ultimately a very very positive

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process that that will also affect

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Palestinian opinion and the sort of

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extremism that Kamas represents will be

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destroyed in this war will be

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discredited and that will give room for

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moderates and we want to see the

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Palestinians join the circle of Peace

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but a peace that is based on reality not

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on pipe trims how many Hamas terrorists

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do you think you've

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killed so there are a couple of hundred

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that we killed on our side of the border

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on that first terrible day of October

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7th and in the the following days

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immediately after that Massacre uh we

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had to take them out we those people who

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invaded our country and so forth and

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since the operation in gas started we

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think over 9,000 of kamasa military

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Fighters their armed terrorists we've

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we've taken out and and killed right so

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less than a quarter of hamas's believed

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force of 36,000 or so uh depending on

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which numbers you believe but my point

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being the amount of Devastation both in

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terms of uh human life that's been taken

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including civilian life of women and

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children over 10,000 children is believe

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may now have been killed if you

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extrapolate this to where to the end of

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Hamas which is what your mission

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statement is to eradicate a mass these

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numbers are going to get to catastrophic

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levels and leave nothing left in Gaza

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are

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they I disagree first of all the numbers

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are Hamas numbers and and have to be

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taken with a grain of salt fromus would

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have you believe that you know the

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over with respect so so are your numbers

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you don't know you've killed 9,000 Hamas

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terrorists can I tell you when we've

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made a mistake with numbers we we've

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corrected ourselves you don't know

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you've killed and a half thousand do you

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you can't that is that is that that that

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is the intelligence information that we

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have we think that's an accurate number

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it could be more it could be less but

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that's I mean people are always asking

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us for our numbers if we don't provide

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them people say what are you hiding well

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how how many you know okay just to push

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you on that if you can be that precise

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about the number of Hamas terrorists you

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must also know how many civilians you've

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killed so how many civilians do you

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believe you've killed no but it's a

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little more complicated if if a Hamas

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fighter is wearing civilian clothes is

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he civilian if he's a 17-year-old man

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with an AK-47 a 17-year old boy I should

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say with an AK-47 is he a child or is he

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a combatant in other words Kamas plays

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with the numbers they want you to

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believe that they're all children

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they're all women uh no Israel does not

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Target innocent civilians Israel does

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not Target gaza's civilian population we

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target Hamas now have there been a a a

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civilian caught up in the crossfire

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between the Israel Defense Forces and

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the Kamas of course they have there

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hasn't been a war in history without

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unfortunately people being caught up in

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the crossfire without civilian

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casualties but are we making in Israel

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an effort to avoid that of course we are

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for us every civilian death that's a

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tragedy but for Hamas who deliberately

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uses Gaza civilians as human Shields

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it's not a tragedy it's their strategy

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they deliberately embed themselves under

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School under hospitals in civilian

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neighborhoods even under let me let me

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how does this war end it's only today

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you dozens of family members of hostages

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held by Hamas still well over a hundred

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being held storming into a finance

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committee meeting in the knesset

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Jerusalem shouting you won't sit here

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while they are dying there so nearly

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half of those hostages have still not

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been uh brought back you've only killed

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by your own figures you've killed a

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quarter of Hamas terrorist so three

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quarters are still there your mission

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statement is to eradicate Hamas um the

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infrastructure of Northern Gaza has been

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pretty much obliterated similar thing is

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now happening in the South again I just

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ask you what does what does Victory look

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like how do you know when you've won

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this war how does the world

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know so in in the northern part of the

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Gaza STP we've already destroyed hamas's

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ability to organize in uh to operate in

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large scale military formations we've

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destroyed their battalion I we've

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destroyed their brigades you still have

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the Odd Squad or two that can cause

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problems but as an organized military

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force Kamas does not exist in the

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northern Kaur strip in the coming weeks

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we will achieve the same uh victory in

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the center and the South and then we'll

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move into a campaign of counterterrorism

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of counterinsurgency because ultimately

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Kamas will be defeated as a military

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machine and Gaza will be free of Hamas

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as a ruling power and I've said this

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before we simply cannot live next to

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this Terror Enclave just as you wouldn't

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want to live next to some sort of Isis

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caliphate on your border we refuse to

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live next to this Hamas Terror State on

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ours ehu Barak who ran Israel says for

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around three months now prime minister

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Benjamin has prevented discussion of the

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day after in the inner cabinet this is

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unconscionable the IDF cannot optimize

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the probability of winning when there is

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no defined political goal the absence of

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a realistic goal will end up mid and the

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Gaza Quagmire fighting simultaneously in

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Lebanon and in the West Bank eroding the

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American backing endangering the Abraham

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Accords and the peace agreements with

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Egypt and with Jordan this kind of

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conduct drags Israel security into the

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abyss and he says this when prime

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minister netanyahu's approval ratings

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are languishing in the early 30s which

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is similar to President Biden's in

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America and is believed to be the lowest

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number of any incumbent president who's

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ever had to run for reelection so these

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are bad numbers you know have former

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Prime min mins of the country demanding

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the Netanyahu resign um I suppose the

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obvious question is why hasn't he I mean

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would it not be easier for everybody if

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he stepped aside now and let somebody

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new come in and try to guide this to a

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conclusion which can actually

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work you know it's interesting because

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I'm familiar with the polls that you

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site and others but the truth is as

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following if you ask Israelis do you

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support the war aims is articulated by

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the Israeli government which is to have

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hamas's military machine destroyed to

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bring all the hostages home and and to

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destroy this this Kamas ruled Enclave on

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our South to destroy their political

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rule you get overwhelming support from

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left to right to center 80 90% of

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Israelis I heard today the leaders of

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the Israeli labor party they they

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proposed no confidence in the government

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over economic issues but they don't

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propose no confidence on the the waging

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of the war and the war aims on on the

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contrary Israeli Society is United that

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Hamas must be destroyed as a political

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and military force and you can

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understand why because when Kamas

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crossed the border on October 7th and

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started killing us they didn't ask us if

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we supported netan or we opposed him if

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we're left or right if we're religious

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or secular if we supported judicial

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reform or opposed judicial Kamas just

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killed everyone they found and I think

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for Israelis we have our passionate

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debates in this country just as you have

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in Britain and people have democracies

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around the world of course we have our

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passionate political debate Ates But

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ultimately I think October 7th was a

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moment when Israelis understood you know

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we have enemies and there are people

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young soldiers now fighting in Gaza

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against Kamas some of them are leftwing

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some of them are right-wing they're of

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different political opinions but we

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understand as a country we have to get

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this done Kamas must be destroyed it

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must be removed from power we must do

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everything that we can to get the

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hostages home you always get sent out Mr

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regev to defend Israel and you do so

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every time and I give you credit for

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that uh Benjamin Netanyahu despite

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repeated requests from this program to

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do another interview I interviewed him

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in March um nothing hasn't given a

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single interview to a non-american uh

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television network is it not time that

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he answers some tough questions

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himself well he's answering tough

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questions every week to the Israeli

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media which you know is just as tough as

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the British Media or or the American

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Media he's been doing these regular

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press conferences and asking answering

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Jour journalist questions but I'll

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ultimately I mean he he's focused today

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on winning the war and he's I see him go

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in and out of War cabinet meetings and

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that this is the big picture because

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ultimately it's important that people

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understand what Israel is doing and why

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we're doing it no I understand that but

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he has most important thing is to win

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yeah but he's given is to win he's found

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time to give interviews to American

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Media I think he should give one to

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European media I would just like to once

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again given that you do come on every

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time that we ask you and I give you

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credit again for doing that if you could

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just pass on that request and I think

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you should

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I promise to pass on the request sir

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thank

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you

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