EV vs ICE Debate - Grow Up People!!

Summary

In this video, the host discusses the Eevee versus Ice debate and shares his experience with Toyota's first full-fledged electric vehicle, the bz4x, which is also branded as a Subaru. He highlights the challenges of charging electric vehicles (EVs), especially without a home charger, and addresses the polarizing nature of the EV community. The host also delves into the impact of using air conditioning on EV range, comparing it to internal combustion engine vehicles. He emphasizes the importance of having an open and mature conversation about EVs, acknowledging that while they are not suitable for everyone, they offer a viable option for many. The video aims to clarify misconceptions and promote a balanced view of EVs in the automotive market.

Takeaways

• 🚗 The Toyota bz4x is Toyota's first full-fledged electric vehicle, shared with Subaru.
• ⚡ The vehicle's charging time from 30% to 100% is approximately 1 hour and 35 minutes at a Genie Point charger.
• 🔥 The debate over electric vehicles (EVs) versus internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles is ongoing and polarizing.
• 🌡️ The use of climate control in EVs can significantly impact range, as demonstrated by a 31-mile drop on a hot day.
• 🤔 The video creator is a car journalist who assesses vehicles without bias towards the type of fuel they use.
• 🏠 The creator lives in a flat without a home charger, making EV ownership inconvenient for him.
• 📈 There is a learning curve and new experiences associated with EVs, even for seasoned car reviewers.
• 🔄 The range loss due to AC usage in EVs can be compared to that of ICE vehicles, with some suggesting an 8-10% reduction for ICEs.
• 📱 Preconditioning an EV can help manage range by setting the climate control while the car is plugged in.
• 🌍 The video creator emphasizes the importance of understanding individual needs and scenarios when considering an EV or ICE vehicle.
• 🗣️ The video highlights the sensitivity and defensiveness of some EV proponents, which may not be helpful in promoting EV adoption.

Q & A

What is the debate mentioned in the video about?

The debate mentioned in the video is about the comparison between Eevee and Ice, which seems to be a metaphor for electric vehicles (EVs) and internal combustion engine vehicles (ICEs).

What is the Toyota bz4x and why is it significant?

The Toyota bz4x is Toyota's first full-fledged electric vehicle, which is also shared with Subaru, making it significant as it represents a major step by a traditional automaker into the EV market.

What was the range of the car after charging for about five minutes?

After charging for about five minutes, the car's range increased from 30% to 40%, with an indicated range of 94 miles.

What issue did the car's climate control cause that was discussed in the video?

The car's climate control consumed a significant amount of battery power, causing a drop of about 31 miles in the indicated range just by switching it on to full.

What was the purpose of the video posted on the Brown Car Guy's Facebook page?

The purpose of the video was to share an observation about the impact of using the climate control on the EV's range and to spark a discussion about how this compares to an ICE vehicle.

What was the temperature like on the day the car's climate control was tested?

The temperature was very hot, with temperatures above 30 degrees Celsius, which is considered quite hot for the UK.

What was the range drop when the AC was turned on during a drive on a milder day?

On a milder day with the car in motion, the range dropped by about 12 miles when the AC was turned on.

What was the response to the video on different social media platforms?

The video received various responses, with Facebook having the most engagement. YouTube, Instagram, and TikTok also had viewers who generally took the video as a genuine inquiry and tried to answer the question posed.

What misconceptions about EVs were highlighted in the video?

Some misconceptions highlighted include the belief that EVs are more likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles, and that EVs are difficult to operate or require extensive knowledge about preconditioning.

What was the general sentiment towards the discussion of EVs in the Facebook comments?

The sentiment towards the discussion of EVs in the Facebook comments was polarizing, with some people being very defensive and others expressing strong negative opinions about EVs.

What advice does the video creator give for the discussion around EVs?

The video creator advises that the level of discussion around EVs should be raised from shouting matches to more mature and pragmatic conversations that consider the day-to-day realities of people and their needs.

Outlines

00:00

🚗 Toyota's First Fully Electric Vehicle: The Bz4x

The speaker introduces the Toyota Bz4x, which is Toyota's first full-fledged electric vehicle, shared with Subaru. He discusses the car's charging process at a Genie Point charger, noting the range impact of using the climate control system. The speaker also mentions a post made on his Facebook page about the car's range loss when the AC was turned on, which sparked significant debate.

05:00

🤔 Comparing EV Range Loss to Petrol Cars

The speaker ponders the range loss in electric vehicles (EVs) when the AC is turned on full, comparing it to the loss in petrol cars. He shares his experience from a day when the car's range dropped significantly after using the AC. He also talks about the mixed responses he received on social media, particularly on Facebook, where the discussion became quite heated.

10:01

🔥 The Importance of Climate Control in EVs

The discussion shifts to the importance of preconditioning an EV, which allows setting the car's temperature before getting in. The speaker argues that while this feature is useful, it should not be a requirement for operating an EV. He emphasizes the need for EVs to be intuitive and user-friendly, regardless of whether the driver owns the car or not.

15:02

🚨 Addressing Misconceptions About EVs

The speaker addresses misconceptions about EVs, particularly the idea that they are more likely to catch fire than petrol cars. He cites statistics showing that EVs are significantly less likely to catch fire and criticizes the elitist attitude he perceives in some EV communities. He also discusses the importance of understanding the pros and cons of EVs and not blindly worshipping a particular brand or technology.

20:03

🤝 The Need for Open Dialogue About EVs

The speaker calls for a more mature and open-minded discussion about EVs. He emphasizes the need to listen to concerns and understand different perspectives. He also highlights that not everyone is ready for EVs, and that's okay. The speaker advocates for a balanced view, considering the practicality and suitability of EVs for different individuals and situations.

25:04

🔋 The Charging Process and EV Adoption

The speaker provides an update on the charging process of the Toyota Bz4x, noting how the charging speed slows down as the battery gets closer to full. He reiterates the importance of having a choice between different types of vehicles and the need for a mature conversation about the adoption of EVs. He invites viewers to share their thoughts and engage in a constructive dialogue.

Keywords

💡Eevee

In the context of the video, 'Eevee' refers to a character from the Pokémon franchise known for its ability to evolve into various types, symbolizing the debate between different types of electric vehicles (EVs). The term is used metaphorically to represent the ongoing discussion about the merits and drawbacks of EVs compared to traditional internal combustion engine vehicles.

💡Toyota bz4x

The 'Toyota bz4x' is the first full-fledged electric vehicle produced by Toyota, which is also shared with Subaru. It is a central subject of the video as the presenter discusses his experience with the car, including its charging time and range, emphasizing Toyota's entry into the EV market and the vehicle's performance characteristics.

💡Charging

Charging is a critical process for electric vehicles, where they replenish their energy. In the video, the presenter discusses his experience charging the Toyota bz4x at a Genie Point charger, noting the time it takes to charge and the impact on the vehicle's range. It highlights one of the practical aspects of owning an EV and the infrastructure needed to support it.

💡Range

Range in the context of EVs refers to the distance a vehicle can travel on a full charge. The script mentions the range of the Toyota bz4x both before and after charging, as well as the impact of using climate control on the vehicle's range. It underscores a common concern among potential EV owners regarding the adequacy of an EV's range for their needs.

💡Climate control

Climate control is a system in vehicles that provides heating, ventilation, and air conditioning. The video discusses how using climate control can significantly affect the range of an EV, as experienced by the presenter when he turned on the AC to full on a hot day, causing a noticeable drop in the vehicle's indicated range.

💡Preconditioning

Preconditioning an EV refers to the practice of setting the vehicle's temperature before getting in, often while the car is still plugged in, to avoid draining the battery. The video mentions preconditioning as a point of contention among viewers, with some suggesting that the presenter should have preconditioned the car to mitigate range loss when using the AC.

💡EV debate

The 'EV debate' is a discussion about the pros and cons of electric vehicles versus traditional fuel-powered vehicles. The video script captures the essence of this debate through the presenter's experiences and the reactions from his audience on social media, reflecting the polarized views and the need for balanced, informed discussion.

💡Heat pump

A heat pump is a device used in some EVs for heating and cooling, which is more energy-efficient than traditional AC systems. The script mentions the heat pump in the context of a Tesla, suggesting that it loses 'virtually zero' range due to its advanced heat pump system, contrasting with the experience in the Toyota bz4x.

💡EV adoption

EV adoption refers to the process of people starting to use electric vehicles. The video touches on the challenges and considerations for widespread EV adoption, such as convenience, infrastructure, and the need for public education and understanding of EV technology.

💡Elon Musk

Elon Musk is the CEO of Tesla, Inc., and a figure often associated with the promotion and advancement of electric vehicles. The video mentions Musk in the context of a comment about 'Elon worship' among some EV enthusiasts, highlighting the influence of Musk's persona on the perception of EVs.

💡Intuitiveness

Intuitiveness in the context of the video refers to the ease of use and understanding of a vehicle's features without needing extensive instruction. The presenter argues that cars, including EVs, should be intuitive and that people should not need to be experts to operate them, reflecting on the user experience and accessibility of EV technology.

Highlights

Debate between Eevee and Ice continues with the Toyota bz4x, Toyota's first full-fledged electric vehicle shared with Subaru.

Charging experience at a Genie Point charger with the Toyota bz4x, noting a 10% increase in 5 minutes and a full charge time of 1 hour 35 minutes.

Discussion on the impact of climate control on electric vehicle range, comparing it to traditional petrol cars.

Personal experience with the car on a hot day in the UK, where the air conditioning reduced the range by 31 miles.

Engagement on social media, particularly Facebook, regarding the video posted about the climate control's effect on range.

The importance of preconditioning an EV for efficient use of climate control and the debate around its necessity.

Criticism and defensiveness from the EV community in response to the video, showcasing the polarization of opinions on EVs.

Comparison of the perceived range loss between EVs and internal combustion engine cars when using air conditioning.

The need for intuitive design in cars, regardless of whether they are EVs or traditional vehicles.

Comments from viewers on Facebook suggesting that preconditioning and understanding EVs is essential for proper use.

Highlighting the difference in range loss when the car is moving versus when it's static, as experienced on a different day.

The importance of raising the level of discussion around EVs to be more mature and pragmatic.

The acknowledgment that EVs are not suitable for everyone in their current state and with the current infrastructure.

The value of choice in the automotive industry, allowing consumers to select the type of car that best fits their needs.

The role of a motoring journalist in assessing cars based on their suitability for different people and scenarios.

Final thoughts on the need for empathy and understanding in the conversation around EVs and their adoption.

Transcripts

hi guys so the Eevee versus Ice debate

rages on so I am right now in the Toyota

bz4x and this is of course Toyota's

first full-fledged uh electric vehicle

they share the vehicle with Subaru so

it's also branded as a Subaru as well

and um

it was a post that I put up with this

car so actually right now I'm sitting

here charging so I'm charging up it's

gone up to I came here with about 30

percent it's already gone up to 40 in

about five minutes although it's telling

me a full uh time for full charges one

hour 35 minutes I'm a Genie Point

charger at Morrison's near me uh at 40

it's giving me a 94 mile range I think

if I can get up to 80 85 and that should

be fine so while I'm doing that I

thought let me touch on

um something that's gone a bit crazy on

my Facebook page so that's uh

facebook.com forward slash Brown Car Guy

so I got this car on uh Thursday last

week

today is

um uh today is Wednesday today's

Wednesday

so I didn't drive the car I drove it the

following day which was Friday so it was

delivered to my place I didn't drive it

I drove it on the following day which

was the Friday that was the first day

that I drove the car and um here in the

UK if you remember so this so that was

Friday what the eighth or ninth or

something like that it was one of the

heart of September it was one of the

hottest days that we've had I mean

temperatures were uh I think 30 degrees

plus Centigrade that is you know so it's

very hot so I went out somewhere I

parked the car came back to the car and

of course I had to work on the uh

climate control

that seemed to gobble up about 31 miles

of the indicated range on the car just

by switching it on to full

um and I posted that video because I

thought oh that's quite interesting you

know and I posted that video and that

thing has gone a little bit crazy why

I'll tell you right after this

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okay so in that video so let me just

first of all be absolutely clear

like all of my stuff it's authentic you

know I'm not trying to

let me just be clear There's No Agenda

right I'm not anti-ev I'm not

necessarily Pro AV I Am pro car all cars

you know and to me EVS are just another

car you know I'm not prejudiced to what

type of fuel it's running I assess them

as a merging journalist I assess them as

a car I assist them for Fitness or

purpose and to see which car is suitable

for what kind of person and what kind of

scenario that's what I do right car

right person right situation that's what

I'm trying to do right so I'm not

anti-ev in any sense whatsoever but of

course EVS are still a relatively new

thing I do not own an EV I don't

envisage owning an EV

um anytime soon because whilst I live in

London I as you can see I'm here at a

public charger because I don't have a

home charger I live in a flat or an

apartment and there's no way for me to

charge the car at home so it's extremely

inconvenient I have to come out here

spend an hour here

um to do this

um so there's no way that I would own it

so I don't own one but every now and I

get one a review I go on lunches I've

just come back from

um yesterday I did a byd dolphin launch

that review is now live on my channel go

check it out and um

the point is that it's a new experience

for all of us and as for me as a

journalist as well although to be honest

I've probably done more electric car

reviews in the last year than I have in

nearly 35 years of reviewing cars so you

know I I read a fair bit of experience

now driving them and testing them but

not necessarily living with them over a

longer term and I don't see that I could

really like I said because of my current

circumstances so when I get one of these

cars and I'm trying it out and I'm

experiencing it then I want to share

some of those experiences with my

audience so when I got into the car that

day and it was really hot and like I

said that's probably I drove it to a

place a park I went off to do some stuff

then I came back to the car car was

really hot I was really hot jumped in

the car switched it on this car and then

saw the mileage was on 220 I think it

was and it dropped to one uh what was it

189 or something like that anyway it's

on the original video in fact let me

show you the original video this is the

mileage range showing in a new V and

it's a really hot day

hot day the climate control 19 degrees

it's nice and cool cool seats are on and

look at

how much range

has changed just by turning that on so

that's what 31 miles

I know there's a lot smarter people out

there than me uh in terms of mathematics

can anybody do me a favor and work out

what is the range that you would lose if

you kept the AC on full on a petrol car

thanks a lot right so that's what

happened and that's what genuinely

happened you know and I thought that's

quite interesting so let me I so I

posted that you know and the reason I

posted that I was like okay well I mean

we lose range on a levy if we do that

how much would we lose on a petrol car

because obviously the petrol diesel car

certainly on a petrol car you would also

lose range you know I lived in the

Middle East and we run AC all the time

and of course you know that the AC stops

power and I remember Way Way Back

growing up in Saudi Arabia in the 80s

and our boost button on our cars used to

be the AC button so when we were getting

into street races and stuff like that

not anything that I condone but you know

those are different times

um you know you did you turn off the AC

when you needed a little bit more punch

from the engine because you knew that

that would give you a little bit more

power

um so we know about this right so I know

that the the uh internal combustion

engine will also use it so it was a

genuine Cadet so now a quick question I

was like okay can anybody out there help

me in trying to figure out how this

Compares you know how an EV would

compare to an internal combustion in the

car in terms of you know putting the AC

on full now I emphasize AC on full

because actually you yesterday I went to

that event that I talked about the drive

event for the byd on the way back on the

road I did the same thing again

um I turned the AC on but yesterday was

much milder it was also raining

yesterday it's a bit like today it

wasn't that hot it's much mild today

um but I wanted I wanted I I moved onto

the motorway so I closed the windows and

I wanted to work the thing on right when

I did that and so I had it off closed

the windows I turned it on and I noticed

the range only dropped by about 12 miles

so there's definitely a difference there

maybe because the car was moving but I

think more likely because it was very

very hot that day temperatures like I

said above 30 probably the temperature

of the car was about 30 because they'd

been sitting in the sun and so it had

probably gone into maximum setting or

something and that's what it was doing

so the original uh video that I put up I

said that that was a 14 difference I

think even yesterday I lost about 12

miles

at the time I had to range of about 120

miles so I would say that that's still

actually 10 now to be fair a lot of

people did actually respond very

positively to my person and in fact I

put that same video up onto Facebook

which is what I'm talking about but I

also put onto YouTube I also put onto

Instagram and I also put it onto Tick

Tock uh the most responses I got were

obviously on Facebook the second most

responses I got were on on YouTube

and to be fair on YouTube another thing

it's quite interesting because in the

three other places people generally took

the video for what it was it was a

genuine question it was a genuine bit of

curiosity and a lot of people tracks he

tried to answer the question and I'm

very grateful for that and a lot of

people came pretty much a lot of people

said the uh internal combustion engine

car would probably lose about eight to

ten percent of its range as well if you

did that turn the AC on full whack you

know and um and so the EV was 14 but now

having experienced it yesterday at about

10 I'm saying you know what Evie's in

the internal combustion engine probably

on par so visually you can see the range

drop so that's a little bit alarming but

in terms of how much it actually saps

energy out of the car it's probably on

par they're probably about the same

maybe like one or two degrees worse but

not really much difference in it so

that's the reality of that situation but

what I want to talk about here today is

I want to talk about some of the

responses

um that I got

on the Facebook page and I should just

say that the the high heat question is

quite important important for me and

some of my audience because some of my

audience I still have from the Middle

East and of course the Middle East now

also is adopting the EV and for them

this is a big question and of course

over there AC is essential climate

control is essential because you cannot

drive without it because you will die

you know it's as simple as that but

anyway so I posted it on all of these

channels but Facebook I don't know what

happened on Facebook I don't know if

it's been shared in a certain group I

know it has I think it's had eight or

nine shares there so I don't know where

it's been shared but for some reason

um you know it got really really quite

crazy

um

let me find some of the just some of

them it's still I wasn't on now I think

the last time I looked it was on 250

comments but it's rising all the time so

you know it's going crazy so let me go

through some of this stuff right and um

one of the ones I want to say uh this is

this is one of the ones that was posted

yesterday Aaron Johnson

says in response to my question because

you're static once you start

driving the vehicle will regen on

braking

is it necessary is it necessary to call

me a I mean it's a genuine

question uh yeah maybe because the car

is static maybe that is maybe because it

was very hot day there's a number of

reasons and we can discuss that you know

and this is the important thing that is

important to discuss these things let me

go back and look at some of the other

comments right

uh Gavin Simmons so many comments from

people who don't understand how to use

an EV the guy in the video owns one and

hasn't pre-conditioned the car with the

car before using it it's laughable how

thick people are when faced with new

technology

and I responded I stopped responding I'm

not responding to any of these now but

the time I think this was quite an early

one and I responded I responded to a

couple of them and just to clarify I

said it's not my car and John Watkins

had uh replied to that brown car guy

that's no excuse

what do you mean it's no excuse it's not

my car

um and let me let me just say my

understanding of preconditioning and an

EV and again correct me if I'm wrong you

know but this is my understanding of

preconditioning an EV

um basically it's down to the fact that

you can preset the temperatures in the

car before you get into the car you can

do that by various settings to the

system itself through your app most

likely through your app you can adjust

it through your app you can directly

communicate to your car through the app

that you have and you can do that and

usually this is done and again correct

me if I'm wrong but my understanding is

that usually this is done because the

car is at home and it's plugged in or

it's somewhere and it's plugged in so

it's plugged in so whilst you're doing

that it's not draining power from the

battery on the car it's plugged in so

it's it's it's able to do that now of

course that situation I had gone

somewhere I had parked up the car and

then I came back to the car the car was

Mega hot I was Mega hot I jumped in the

car like I would do with any petrol or a

diesel car I jumped in like I did like

I've done millions of times in the

Middle East I jumped in turned it on and

whacked up the AC because that's what

you would do why should that be any

different because I've got an EV why do

I need to think about that 10 minutes

before but even if I could do that plus

I'm not going to download an app I've

just said it's not my car

it's not my car I don't own it I don't

have to you know customize all the

settings I've only got it for a few days

I'm not going to download an app you

know and think a lot of people in this

scenario if they're renting a car

they're borrowing a car it's a fleet car

whatever you know a lot of people may

not do that you know there needs to be

an ease of use people need to understand

that you know like one of the

fundamental tests that I do in a car as

a motoring journalist

um and this was another motoring

journalist who told me this years and

years and years and years and years ago

he said if you can't get into the car

and you know within five minutes know

how to drive off in it there's a problem

if you can't figure out how to turn the

radio on within five minutes there's a

problem with the car so ergonomically

the car should be intuitive you should

be able to know how to do these things

you know you shouldn't need to go away

and read the manual to operate that

vehicle because if you do then there's

something fundamentally wrong with the

design of that car you know and and I I

maintain that you know and um so Gavin

Simmons didn't come back this is the

original guy here every series came back

when I said this is you know it's not my

car and he said then don't drive it

unless you understand how to use it

especially if you're going to post a

real on the internet and post bad

information

so first of all

um the real the thing is if you bother

to click through to see who I know it's

been shared somewhere but if you click

through to see who brown car guy is and

you will see that he's a murdering

journalist and he's assessing cars and

the real is part of the content that he

produces particularly this thing don't

drive it so this is some kind of elitism

now coming into the EV world you know

don't drive an EV if you're not worthy

enough

it's just a car all right like all cars

I've driven everything all right

um

Nico hang on let me see uh what these

were

Nico Comas said to Gavin Simmons because

a lot of back and forth now going on on

this Facebook post I think you're giving

the general public way too much credit

man I work at hospital and spoke with 11

employees who all own electric uh

Vehicles rubians Tesla and navy win

three doctors and neurosurgeon several

surgical not a single one of them knew

what preconditioning their car was

referring to all of these people are

significantly more intelligent than the

average person thank you Nico thank you

and you've just proven my point it's

like you know not car should be

intuitive you should know what to do you

know and you know maybe somebody should

have told you that you can precondition

it but maybe that doesn't apply in all

situations and to all people you know so

that's you know

and Gavin responds to the guy in my

experience the more intelligent an

individual is the less inclined they are

to listen to a car salesperson when

collecting a car people assume that a

car is a car but technology moves on and

every day is a school day every day is a

school day

but a car is a car

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uh Paul Griffin said to Gavin Simmons

precondition your car do we work for the

cars or do they work for us you assume

that wherever you park you'll be plugged

in I get in my ice vehicle and I have

heat or air whenever I want enjoy your

life being controlled by Elon your king

there's a lot of Elon Musk worship that

goes on in these EV groups you know

um we'll come back to that in a minute

so that was that response and yeah I

mean I think that's a fair response as

well Kevin Perry then can you work out

how much you pollute out of the toxic

exhaust in a petrol car in comparison to

me doing the same miles as my Tesla

Tesla Uh Kevin Perry again because you

have a rubbish EV that car does not have

a heat pump if it does it's rubbish go

and do the same in a Tesla it has the

most advanced heat pump you can get it

loses virtually zero because of the Heat

and the AC comes from the pump get more

educated on them before you post wow

there's another one of the things where

it's like oh you're not allowed to post

anything unless you're a genius and you

know everything there is to know about

these cars I am motoring journalist I

spent 35 years covering the industry and

covering cars I don't know everything

about them and that's the wonderful

thing but also I share my experiences

with my audience I think that's part of

the learning process that we're all on

especially when it comes to

transitioning to new technology but

again this assumption that it must be a

rubbish you don't I didn't even mention

what car was I didn't actually say in

that post what car it was I never

mentioned that this is in fact a brand

new car from one of the biggest car

manufacturers in the world a

significantly bigger than Tesla uh I

gotta say Tesla I'm not a particularly a

big fan the only thing I like about Elon

is SpaceX because I'm you know as you

can see who's sci-fi fan so I like the

SpaceX thing and also I only think I can

relate to him on is the fact that he's

got the latest history of the uh spy who

loved me he's actually got the car

itself and he promised to turn it into

submarine I don't know if he's done it

yet but let me tell you one thing he's

not Tony Stark so all those people like

hero worship the heck out of Elon Musk

you know I mean you know he's a

businessman done good all right let's

just be honest about this okay

um and Teslas they have their merits but

they're not the best cars out there so

you know and but the biggest Merit that

Tesla do have is they made electric cars

sexy and desirable and glamorous so

that's where you know the real credit

lies but car manufacturers Legacy car

manufacturers have a lot more experience

doing building cars and certainly the

electric cars are a new technology

um again some people did actually try to

just answer the question Scott Colley

about the same percentage and like

heating AC isn't a byproduct of burning

fuel energy is energy fair enough uh

it's when

Mecklenburg AC on a petrol car AC will

take average of seven kilowatts of power

from the engine my Mustang deleted by

100 kilometer of your consumption will

go up from 10.5 to 11.8 liters per 100

kilometer very useful information thank

you very much David spurtle AC in most

causes two to three miles per gallon and

it flat out up to five to seven mile per

gallon so between 30 and 60 miles so a

reasonable answer so thank you for all

those people that took time to

understand that that was a genuine point

of uh inquiry and they took time to

actually respond both on Facebook and

YouTube and a few also on Instagram and

Tick Tock so thank you very much but the

other people Paul Frost for example

simply commented again on Facebook do

you need medication

no I have asked the question why should

I need medication

and then you have people that just jump

on the whole EV thing they're like milk

floats waste of time uh says Robert

Walker Michael Willis the great electric

con you know

um and then and a lot of uh trig

helender EVS must suck ass

um Barry donachi ah so Evie's actually

have AC I just thought they got so hot

they burst into flames

yeah

to be fair that's funny but you know

it's it's a misguided misconception you

know the reality is uh what was it I got

a figure yesterday which they are 20

times less likely to catch fire than

internal combustion engine car uh that's

from Sweden that's information is from

Sweden and then the information from

America the insurances to America is

that 25 cars 25 EVS out of 100

000 uh cars sold 100 000 EVS sold only

25 were reported to have caught fire

compared to 1 500 plus petrol cars out

of 100 000. so you can see this is still

a significant difference there they only

travel with the EVS of course is that

when they do Catch Fire it's pretty

spectacular and of course they're almost

impossible to put out so that's the only

problem so that that's that's that's

where the issue is you know Ian Morgan I

called BS I know many EV drivers

including myself have never seen or

heard of anything like this climate

control takes a very small amount of

power compared to actual driving well it

was what it was but as I've clarified

you know yesterday I found it different

but I think that particular situation

maybe because the car was static maybe

because it was incredibly hot and when I

got in the car the car was very hot then

maybe that's why it made a difference

um just to update you on this I'm now up

to 63 on this car so whilst I've been

talking to you and we'll be talking

about 18 minutes now

and uh 145 mile range it says 50 minutes

to a full charge now interesting so

these are petrol guys going now our

petro and Diesel guy is going now that

my my car is so much better than uh an

EV uh Mike Howard for example says your

first mistake was buying uh an EV your

second mistake is that you really

believe is better for the environment

and the conventional combustion engine

wake up and look at the facts then I

said to Mike this is again must have

been an early one because I responded

and I said this is not my car and then

Michael Martin says brown car guy not

your car that explains it all do you

tell them that you use their car for

viral hate reels to ignorant morons

so it's not a viral hate reel

again I don't know where this has been

shared and what kind of group uh where

they've gone you know the knickers and

the twist quite frankly but there's not

the same response that I got from the

other three uh platforms that I posted

on sits on Facebook for some reason that

I got this you know

um like so Michael Martin did post

another comment just another real aim to

angry drivers who think their lives are

coming to an end because of electric

cars I'd say you change the setting to

get the 30 mile diff considering it

costs much less to charge to get 30

miles back it's an inconsequential

number and therefore irrelevant I didn't

change any settings what you saw on the

video is what you saw I didn't edit the

video I was literally like there and

there look at the difference I I don't

do that you know

um there was one more

okay this was again another early one

this was Mark Hallows who said uh laugh

my ass off well-known fact your AC in

any car and your MPG drops to the floor

so goth chalk horror when it does the

same in an EV interesting

um but again you know this is one of the

early ones so I don't know why I

responded to that one I think you are

insinuating something but it's a genuine

question I'm just curious as to what the

comparison would be to be fair to Mark

Carlos he did come back any any kind of

like I think he had a much different

tone and he was like brown car guy no

comparison and yes I was a little so you

know it is very transparent with EVS

that they lose range in cold weather and

if you run lots of stuff uh but the tech

heat pumps for AC and heating are

already light years ahead of previous

Tech and even though I've never had an

issue with EB range been across Europe

many times they were really hit the mass

adoption curve when the camera sees

improve and range hits four to five

hundred miles yeah it's quite right so

it's very very reasonable response there

thank you very much now so what do we

learn from this there's a couple I think

there's three things that we actually

learned from from something like this

scenario that happens on that happened

in this particular post on Facebook and

it's still going strong so we're gonna

go check it out it's right there

um I may even put the link below if I

can anyway uh so first of all one one

thing I think that is is very very

apparent and this is not just from this

post but generally and other stuff that

I've done for example you know some of

the events and conferences that I've run

as well the Eevee discussion is so

polarizing you know you either

absolutely are a evangelist as I call

them like you will not hear a wide word

against them or you absolutely detest

them and you think they're the spawn of

the devil you know and you know it's

it's absolutely crazy and it's just like

you just can't meet in the middle you're

either on this side or you're in this

side the trouble for people like me is

I'm in the middle you know I'm right

down the middle here I'm just like I'm

just like I said I'm just assessing them

as any other car I'm emergic jealous I'm

just doing my job as mismatching

generally saw they're like okay it's a

new car this is a new product let's test

it let's see what it can do let's see

what it can do every single car has pros

and cons everything every single car has

good bits and bad bits that applies to

petrol and diesel cars as well you know

so we've all and as emerging journalists

people say oh look at that that's good

that really works I know look at that

that may be an issue that's not so good

you know that's what we do and we're

doing the same with EVS it's not like

we're trying to put EVS down we're just

like okay well this works this doesn't

and don't forget Evies is a nascent

technology it's still new it's still

fresh it's still they're still teething

troubles not only with EVS but you know

with the lifestyle and the charging

infrastructure around Aries

the second point that I said that I that

I realized from this is the and this is

particularly for evangelists is that

they are so sensitive and so defensive

so even when you're not trying to imply

anything they jump on you it's like

you've insulted their child it's like

what it's like no I didn't mean that

it's not what I was saying you know you

have to go like whoa whoa whoa guys whoa

hang on I'm just asking a question here

why do you have to go so defensive for

why you have to jump on me it's not that

but that but that's generally a case

with a lot of these it's just like they

immediately jump to the computer you're

EV bashing I'm like no it's not a sport

it's not it's just you know I'm just

looking at the critical aspects of

owning running driving a vehicle that's

what I do that's my profession so you

know so I don't know they got chill guys

chill and this is this is and this

brings me to my third point is that this

attitude is really not going to help

it's not going to help your cause that's

for sure and when you have on the other

side people are absolutely detached and

there's so much information out there in

the media which is probably setting up

the wrong perceptions about EVS in terms

of they all explode and burn and uh the

range is crap and you can't charge and

there's lots of discussions there's lots

of questions that need to be asked lots

of people have genuine concerns you know

it's my job as a journalist to address

those concerns you know nine talk to

people then I have to remain open-minded

and listen to all of these concerns and

I think that it would really help people

that are pro EV and proponents of EV to

also be a little bit open-minded and be

a bit more sensitive and to listen to

these concerns and issues which are

genuine and try to understand where

people are coming from and go all right

okay I yeah okay not just always answer

well that works for me well I can do it

well I've read the manual well I've done

5 000 miles of mine and I was fine it's

like okay okay it was fine for you but

and this is where it's different for me

it's because I'm for me as from my

career what I've done is I always try to

I always try to like put you know wear

the other person's shoes I always try to

empathize and understand what's your

scenario what's your situation what

would work for you you know what

particular issues that you have let me

see if I can address them you know it's

not good to just say Well it worked for

me so it should work for you and if it

doesn't then the problem is with you and

it's like well it doesn't really work

like that you know a car is supposed to

be something that's convenient that must

be pride and joys but they're also

supposed to be convenient and useful and

something that is good for us in our

daily lives so

the discussion I I think the third thing

to remember here is that we need to

raise the level of this discussion and

we need to raise it from Just children

shouting in the playground you know I

think that we need to start to become

more mature and more pragmatic about it

and to look at the day-to-day realities

of people uh how they live and how they

use these cars and how they need to use

these cars and what would uh what would

we need to do in order to help people

adopt the cause if the car is right for

them and in some cases we have to accept

EV people have to accept that not Evie

is not especially not in its current

state in its current form and with the

current infrastructure it's not

necessarily right for everybody you just

have to accept it you can't just Ram

force it down everybody's throat you

gotta say okay well the new particular

set of circumstances it's not quite

ready for you yet or you're not quite

ready for it one way or the other but in

many other cases you could look at the

situation you go actually well you know

what it can work for you it could be all

right but this is what you need to do or

maybe try this if it doesn't fine you

know I'm gonna go for petrol go for

diesel the choices are there for me one

of the great things about the middle

industry right now is it this choice and

choice is a good thing you know it's

good to have choice about whether you

want to have a petrol car because you

like to hear the engine noise whether

you need a diesel car because you have a

long distance cover that you do

regularly as part of your work or

whatever or that you can get an electric

car because you live in town you just go

to the shops and actually that works out

just fine for you because you can charge

at home you know a lot of these

questions need to be openly discussed

and we need to bring a level of maturity

and raise the level of this conversation

rather than just people shouting each

other and just calling each other morons

anyway

I'm sure that I'm going to be called

many more times both in the

comments in this video and elsewhere but

I'm almost with some trepidation I am

saying I look forward to hearing your

comments on this video and I'll chat

with you guys again soon meanwhile just

to update you 74 charge now 160 mile

range it's still saying 40 minutes to

full charge so this is what happens with

EVS is that

um you know they get to about that 80

are coming up to the 80 and they slow

down so it's definitely slowed down a

little bit now but anyway

that's the uh this is the Toyota B z4x I

keep forgetting the name of this car

review on this coming review on the byd

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