Tien vs Bleach is Totally Unfair!
Summary
TLDRThe video compares Tien from Dragon Ball Z with characters from the Bleach anime, analyzing their power levels and abilities. It discusses Tien's strength, including his Tri-beam attack, and how it compares to high-tier Bleach characters. The script explores misconceptions about spiritual pressure and the potential outcomes of Tien facing off against the Bleach universe, concluding that Tien's raw power and speed would likely overpower most characters.
Takeaways
- 🌟 Tien is introduced as a powerful threat in Dragon Ball Z, with a power level of 180 during the 22nd Budokai.
- 💥 Tien's Tribeam is confirmed to have greater destructive power than Master Roshi's Kamehameha, capable of at least moon-busting damage.
- 🚀 During the Saiyan Saga, Tien's power level increases to 1,830, making him the second strongest on Earth after Piccolo.
- 🌌 In the anime continuity, Tien's power grows over 20 times stronger, capable of fighting Ginyu Force members with power levels of 40 to 50,000.
- 💪 Tien's Neo Tribeam in Dragon Ball Super is shown to damage Semi-Perfect Cell, outperforming the Androids and Frieza Saga characters.
- 🌀 Tien's speed is incredibly fast, potentially faster than light, and his attacks are powerful enough to reach multiversal levels.
- 🔮 Bleach characters are often spiritual in nature, which might make them intangible to non-spiritual attacks, but Tien's high perception allows him to sense and attack them.
- 🌍 The highest tiers of Bleach characters are not clearly defined in terms of power, with feats ranging from multi-continental to possibly universal.
- 💫 Bleach's speed scaling is inconsistent, with some attacks moving at light speed but no solid multipliers to confirm this across the board.
- 🤔 The video concludes that Tien's raw power, speed, and durability give him a significant advantage over most Bleach characters, even when considering their unique abilities.
Q & A
Who are the main characters compared in the script?
-The script compares Krillin versus One Piece, Yamcha versus Naruto, and Tien versus Bleach.
What is the significance of Tien's Tribeam attack?
-Tien's Tribeam is significant because it has greater destructive power than Master Roshi's Kamehameha, making it at least a moon-busting attack.
How does Tien's power level change from his introduction to the Saiyan Saga?
-Tien's power level increases significantly from his introduction with a power level of 180 to 1,830 during the Saiyan Saga, making him the second strongest person on Earth at that time.
What is the Mafuba technique that Tien learns?
-The Mafuba is a powerful sealing technique that Tien learns, which allows him to trap and seal powerful opponents.
How does Tien's power level compare to the Ginyu Force members during the Frieza Saga?
-Tien's power level during the Frieza Saga is at least large planetary, if not reaching dwarf star levels, which is significantly stronger than the Ginyu Force members with power levels of 40 to 50,000.
What is the significance of Tien's performance in the Tournament of Power in Dragon Ball Super?
-In the Tournament of Power, Tien demonstrates a rapid increase in power, being able to survive attacks from a sniper with strong enough tacks to blow off both of Piccolo's arms and overpower him with the Tribeam.
What misconception about Bleach characters is addressed in the script?
-The script addresses the misconception that Bleach characters are invisible and intangible to attacks from other verses due to their spiritual nature.
How does Tien's perception ability help him in combat against Bleach characters?
-Tien's high level of perception allows him to sense the spiritual energy radiating off Bleach characters, even if he cannot see them outright, which helps him target them effectively.
What is the primary question to consider when gauging the powers of the high tier of the Bleach verse?
-The primary question is how big is Soul Society and what level of power is required to destroy it and the other dimensions it's connected to.
What is the range of attack potency for high-tier Bleach characters?
-The attack potency for high-tier Bleach characters ranges from multicontinental to potentially universal, depending on the interpretation of their abilities and feats.
How does Tien's speed compare to characters in the Bleach verse?
-Tien's speed is significantly faster than characters in the Bleach verse, with feats suggesting he is faster than light by quadrillions of times.
Outlines
🌌 Dragon Ball's Tien vs. Bleach Universe
The video script discusses a hypothetical battle between Tien, a character from Dragon Ball Z, and characters from the Bleach universe. It starts by comparing Tien's power level to other characters and noting the difficulty in scaling power in the Bleach universe. Tien is introduced as a formidable opponent with a power level of 180 during the 22nd Budokai, and his signature move, the Tri-beam, is said to have greater destructive power than Master Roshi's Kamehameha, capable of at least moon-busting damage. The script also covers Tien's power progression through the series, including his training and the development of his abilities like the Mafuba technique. It highlights his power level increase to 1,830 during the Saiyan Saga, making him the second strongest on Earth at that time, and his struggle against the much stronger Napa. The script also discusses Tien's growth in power during the Frieza Saga and his ability to fight members of the Ginyu Force, as well as his feats in Dragon Ball Super, where he demonstrates the ability to withstand and overpower powerful attacks with his Multiform technique and Tri-beam.
🚀 Tien's Power Scaling and Comparison to Bleach Characters
This section of the script delves into Tien's power scaling and compares it to characters from the Bleach universe. It mentions that Tien could be comparable to base form Saans and possibly reach blue level with his Tri-beam, which is a significant power level considering Gohan's ability to fight blue Goku. The script also discusses Tien's speed, which is incredibly fast, possibly faster than light, and his hacking abilities as a Dragon Ball character. It addresses the misconception of spiritual pressure in Bleach, arguing that Tien's high level of perception would allow him to sense and attack spiritual beings. The script then compares the attack power of Bleach characters to Tien's scaling, noting that even high-tier Bleach characters are significantly weaker than Tien. It also explores the scaling of Soul Society and the destruction of dimensions, questioning the true extent of the power of characters like Yamamoto and UA, and how it compares to Tien's capabilities.
🌪️ Tien's Dominance Over Bleach and Conclusion
The final paragraph of the script concludes that Tien would likely dominate over the Bleach universe. It discusses the speed and attack power of Bleach characters and how they compare to Tien, suggesting that Tien's speed and power would make it difficult for Bleach characters to react or counterattack. The script also addresses the potential use of hacks and abilities by Bleach characters, such as UA's future choice ability and hypnosis, but points out that these require conscious use and perception, which Tien could potentially outpace. It mentions the possibility of characters with immortality like Gerard or Hogyoku Eisen, but suggests that Tien's power could overcome these as well. The script concludes by stating that Tien's raw strength, speed, and power would likely be too much for the Bleach universe, and the video ends with a thank you to viewers and channel members for their support.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Tien
💡Bleach
💡Power Level
💡Tri-beam
💡Saiyan Saga
💡Mafuba
💡Ginyu Force
💡Frieza
💡Dragon Ball Super
💡Soul Society
💡Spiritual Pressure
Highlights
Comparison of Krillin versus One Piece and Yamcha versus Naruto, with Tien versus Bleach completing the trilogy.
Bleach's power scaling is more challenging due to the variety of abilities and the impact of hacks.
Tien Shaolin is considered one of the most unique human Z fighters in Dragon Ball Z.
Tien's power level at his introduction is 180, indicating a significant threat.
Tien's Tri-beam is said to have greater destructive power than Master Roshi's Kamehameha.
Tien's power level increases to 1,830 during the Saiyan Saga, making him the second strongest on Earth.
Tien's Tri-beam is ineffective against Napa but is not considered a failure on Tien's part.
In Dragon Ball Super, Tien's power level rapidly grows, showing the ability to fight against the Ginyu Force.
Tien's Neo Tri-beam is able to damage Semi-Perfect Cell, outperforming the Androids and Saans.
Tien's speed is incredibly fast, surpassing light speed by quadrillions of times.
Tien's Neo Tri-beam is no longer life-threatening to him, allowing him to use it without fatigue.
The majority of Bleach characters are outmatched by Tien, even at his early power levels.
Spiritual pressure in Bleach is a misconception; Tien's high perception allows him to sense spiritual energy.
High-tier Bleach characters' power levels are capped far below Tien's.
The size of Soul Society in Bleach is a point of contention, with varying interpretations of its scale.
Yamamoto's 15 million-degree Bonai implies Soul Society is at most a planet-sized entity.
Aizen's ability to destroy the human world and Soul Society is not through direct attack but by disrupting the balance of souls.
Squad Zero's power to shake heaven and earth suggests multi-solar system levels of power.
Bleach's speed scaling is inconsistent, with attacks referred to as spiritual light but no solid multipliers.
Tien's overwhelming strength and speed make him a formidable opponent for Bleach characters.
Aizen's future vision and hypnosis abilities require conscious use and perception to activate.
Characters with immortality in Bleach may not survive attacks much stronger than they are.
Tien's high spiritual pressure could cancel out the powers and abilities of his opponents.
The video concludes that Tien's raw power, speed, and strength would likely overcome Bleach's abilities.
Transcripts
it started with Krillin versus one piece
we then did Yamcha versus Naruto and
today we complete the trilogy with Tien
versus Bleach of the big three I think
it's pretty obvious that the bleach
verse is the most difficult to
concretely power scale in the same way
you can for the others while some
characters are clearly more powerful
than others actual differences in
strength and the impact of the bleach
versus insane hacks makes things a lot
more challenging to concretely quantify
still a verse with such a wide array of
complex hack abilities is a perfect
match for probably the most unique of
the human Z fighters in Dragon Ball Z
Tenn will the army of Soul Reapers
Quincy in a spot be too much for the
triclops or will he be burying the verse
in a square hole let's find out if you
do like this kind of stuff please make
sure to like And subscribe and let's
Jump Right In as is customary at this
point we'll begin with the scaling of
the Dragon Ball character before
comparing him to the verse in the big
three unlike the other human Z Fighters
Tien is introduced as a truly powerful
threat and is the final opponent of the
Ry first appears in being the 22nd
Budokai thankfully guide books directly
tell us that at this point tian's power
level is 180 as we know power levels in
early Dragon Ball are not linear at all
with even small increases multiplying
one's power level multiple times over as
kid Goku's power level increased by a
small percent after training with Corin
but his strength still multiplied
several times over so a power level of
180 does not mean Tien is only a couple
dozen times stronger than Goku was in
the first chapter most importantly for
this version of Tien though we are told
directly that his tribeam has greater
destructive power than even Master
Roshi's Kamehameha at bare minimum this
makes the tribeam a moon busting attack
as it would scale over Roshi's Moon
destroying max power Kamehameha but as a
highball according to the guide book El
manga legendario the Kamehameha at this
point might arguably have already been a
planet destroying technique meaning the
tribeam was even stronger than that of
course ten continues to train throughout
Dragon Ball though he's quickly left in
the Dust by Goku and both Piccolo still
at this time he learns the mafuba a
powerful sealing technique and further
develops his other abilities still
though it's clear that Tien is the
strongest human on earth at this time
entering the San Saga Tien continues to
retain this title after preparing for
the arrival of Napa and Vegeta tien's
power level skyrockets to
1,830 making him the second strongest
person currently on earth besides
Piccolo and technically Gohan when he's
angry of course things don't go too well
for him when he goes up against Napa who
is roughly twice as strong as he is even
his tribeam is ultimately ineffective
against the Sayan though this isn't
really an L on tien's part as even Goku
with a power level of 8,000 thought Napa
was exceedingly durable of course over
the next Arc Tien then spends his entire
time on King Kai's planet and in the
anime continuity of events he grows over
20 times stronger as he's able to fight
against the members of the ginu force
with power levels of 40 to 50,000 now
just to be clear when talking about the
anime version of tenen these Feats are
valid the anime is a completely separate
cannon from the manga and the non-manga
events that occur are completely
approved by Toriyama either way at this
point he would at least be large
planetary if not reaching the dwarf star
levels of power and Beyond of course
once he comes back to life the likes of
Frieza and the Androids are clearly
still too much for Tien to handle as he
gets easily manhandled by them however
once again the tribeam is a different
tier of power entirely anyone who knows
Dragon Ball knows tien's neot tribeam is
able to somewhat damage and outright pin
down semi-perfect cell which is better
than anything the Androids or saans
could do up to this point until Super
Vegeta arrives while Tien does show up
in the bu Saga and participates more
than the other humans it doesn't really
change his scaling all he does is stop a
single keyi Blast from banks that was
meant to kill Hercule and dende with a
second blast making him instantly say
he's useless so his scaling doesn't
change here Tien does not scale too in
any way shape or form moving on to
Dragon Ball super though Tien really
doesn't get any more scaling until the
tournament of power in the leadup to the
tournament Tien is pretty consistently
portrayed as the weakest guy on the team
barely being able to keep up with base
Goku while fighting Gohan however as is
the nature of Dragon Ball super it seems
like TI rapidly grew in power between
this training and the actual top in
episode 106 Universe 7 is fighting this
random sniper guy whose name I don't
remember but whose tacks are strong
enough to blow off both of Piccolo's
arms at once and be a threat to ultimate
Gohan Goku and Vegeta Tien then using
his multiform technique that splits his
power into quarters is able to both
survive shots from this sniper without
any visible damage and also overpower
him with the tribeam I understand how
that seems ridiculous compared to tien's
Performance even a day prior but what
happened happened you can't like this
has happened in Dragon Ball super before
regardless this means at worst that Tien
is comparable to the likes of base form
saans though he could be as high as blue
level at best with the tribeam given
that Gohan was threatened by these same
attacks and Gohan was able to fight blue
Goku so again a Nerf Tien surviving the
same attack is really impressive at the
bare minimum Tien would then be a
universe Buster and attack potency with
the tribeam though at the high end he's
many many multiples of power beyond
Universal and enters into that
multiversal tier by definition this
would put Tenn speed into the bare
minimum insanely high-end faster than
light substantially slower and weaker
characters have Feats of crossing the
universe in incredibly short periods of
time it's really up to you which Feats
you want but we're talking about the
speed on the scale well beyond
quadrillions of times faster than light
there isn't really much to say about
hacks as most of them are pretty
self-evident as a dragon ball character
and any relevant hacks interactions will
be brought up later it's important to
note that the neot tribeam now is not
life-threatening to Tien anymore as he
can pop them without literally any
fatigue in the torment of power that
being said will the champion of the
crane school be enough to handle the
bleach verse let's get into it firstly
just like any anime verse a grand
majority of characters are getting
destroyed by Tien even with just his
Saiyan Saga scaling I don't think anyone
would disagree that aside from the high
tiers a grand majority of people in the
bleach verse are getting folded by Tien
like this
Tri
beam firstly before we get into the
scaling of the high tiers we do need to
cover a primary misconception and that's
spiritual pressure it's argued that
Bleach characters are essentially
invisible and intangible to the attacks
of most characters from other verses due
to the fact that they're spiritual in
nature even within bleach though
characters like Chad before they unlock
any abilities can damage and smack
around Hollows they can't even perceive
with normal physical objects not only do
Dragon Ball characters have higher
levels of perception than Chad at this
point but tien's is especially high in
comparison to the average Z fighter
furthermore one of the main components
of key is literally the spirit and soul
therefore tan would be able to sense the
spiritual energy raiding off the Bleach
characters even if he cannot see them
outright this also means that Tien is
not getting his soul crushed by passive
spiritual pressure as his soul is
relative to his actual attack potency
and power but out of the way let's go to
bleach's attack pocy for this video we
will be focusing on mostly Manga and
Anime content for Bleach as to be honest
the canonicity of the movies is its own
can of worms that I don't have time to
talk about today like I mentioned before
even pretty high tier characters are
capped at levels of power drastically
below Tenn for example the strongest
members of the asata like olora display
Continental to multi-continental feeds
at their high end both from explosions
they generate and statements that they
can destroy massive structures like Los
nochas either way this wouldn't get them
past even Tien in his first appearance
in the manga who again already has Moon
busting scaling at the bare minimum so
ultimately when it comes to scaling
bleach there is really only one question
that matters when it comes to actually
gauging the powers of the high tier of
the verse how big is soul Society who
can actually destroy it and the other
dimensions it's connected to and how are
they destroying it you see in Bleach
it's pretty unclear and definitely
inconsistent what characters are talking
about when they say the word Soul
Society so the question becomes are they
talking about just the giant City are
they talking about the city and the
planet around it or are they talking
about the entire Dimension containing
everything data books imply that the
world of Soul Society is just the ser
and the Ron Kai and nothing else outside
it meaning it is still impressively a
countrysize city however we know for a
fact that things exist outside the city
and not only is it clearly on a planet
with a curvature but it has a sun and
stars in the sky at night however based
on statements we can help narrow this
down for example Yamamoto says his 15
million degree bonai will burn the
entirety of Soul Society this implies to
me that at best soul Society is just the
planet given that 15 million degrees
would not be sufficient in destroying
Stars given that they can exceed 100
million degrees still Yamamoto isn't the
picle of the verse as the likes of UA
the soul King Squad zero blood War eizen
and Ichigo among others should all be
stronger than this problem is that aside
from using higher Feats it's impossible
to quantify how much stronger they
actually are now notoriously UA was
going to destroy the human world fundo
and the Soul Society with his power
after absorbing the soul King again
depending on the size of these
Dimensions this ranges anywhere from
multiplanetary to Universal three times
over giving him the extreme benefit of
the doubt that he's referencing to the
universes that contain each of these
spaces but there is a major issue and
it's that it's very unlikely UA is doing
this through his own direct AP you see
the main job of the Soul King is to keep
a balance of souls between the human
world and soul Society we told
repeatedly that undoing this balance
will destroy both universes entirely we
know this balance can be disrupted
pretty easily as just Quincy's existing
and eradicating souls instead in letting
them pass on was nearly enough to cause
this to happen so when UA absorbs the
power of the guy who's keeping that
balance seems pretty clear that he
wasn't just going to one-hot any of
these Realms with a blast of energy or
something and instead just let them
collapse in on each other so being
unable to use that feat for a highend
there are statements in the anime for
Squad zero being able to shake heaven
and earth of the three universes with
their power this would grant them multi-
solar system levels of power as shaking
something requires far less energy than
destroying it to be absolutely Fair
though what we see from the fee is just
the planet Earth and the Soul Society
City being shaken rather than the entire
universe or hco mudo at all so for AP
bleach sits between multicon to
planetary with high-end interpretations
of multi- solar system to an extreme
high end of universal speed the is weird
there are a bunch of attacks and bleach
referred to as spiritual light but
proving this works as the same as real
life or moves at the same speed is
essentially impossible it's even
established they can move at different
speeds so it becomes entirely arbitrary
to assign one of these attacks as being
the first one that's actually light
speed furthermore bleach doesn't
actually have any solid multipliers to
scale speed that way bonai are not like
superian forms that multiply all stats
in the same way every time as it simply
increases the vague term of combat
ability by 5 to 10 times we see this
fully when ichigo's bonai really only
increases his speed still there are Cals
getting characters to a couple dozen
times faster than light with anyone
stronger being just
unquantified above most scales for the
bleach firste even if attack potency is
similar Tien is embarrassingly faster
than everyone in the verse if we take
highend interpretations of bleach the
main problem is that most characters
don't scale to that level of power and
granting Tien the same benefit of Doubt
means once again drastically outscaling
anything bleach has ever done again
second form freie a universal statement
understanding that Tien is so much
stronger and faster means that bleach is
in a really tough spot even with the
versus hacks everyone there is pretty
much instantly getting blasted with an
attack before they can react that splits
them apart by their very atoms spiritual
or otherwise while UA's ability to
choose between futures or is and
hypnosis are both very powerful
abilities both of them require conscious
use and perception to activate we see
very clearly that UA is not always
looking into the future at all times and
clearly does not see every possibility
play out so to say he can choose
timelines where he somehow survives
getting killed by Tien requires him to
actually be able to react to Tien which
he pretty much can't do now there are
some characters in Bleach who arguably
have degrees of immortality like Gerard
or hogyoku Eisen ignoring the fact that
they've never survived or adapted to
attacks practically infinitely stronger
than they are worse comes to worse tan
has the mafuba and given that they are
drastically weaker than him he would
have no issue putting them inside of a
rice cooker also for the sake of
argument and assuming that a character
can land a hit on tenen because for some
reason he lets them there's a solid
chance that it doesn't even work on him
at all because he's too powerful it's
clearly established that having a high
enough spiritual pressure outright
cancels out the powers and abilities of
your opponent and the same thing
essentially Happ happens in Dragon Ball
as well it's likely that if anyone swung
on Tien their sword would have just be
stopped by his barrier of key and not
even reach his body as we've established
that both his physical and spiritual
power are linked so yeah call me bias to
Dragon Ball if you want but Tien slams
as dumb as it sounds being big strong
and fast is going to beat hack abilities
99% of the time that being said though
please no one ask me to do something
like yajirobe versus JoJo next made it
this far thank you so much for watching
as always if you disagree with my takes
let me know how I was wrong in the
comments down below finally thank you to
my channel members who got to see this
video early your support means so much
that being said see you
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