The Law Is Not On Your Side

Podcast Segments
11 Sept 202422:35

Summary

TLDRThe video script discusses the disparity in the UK's justice system, highlighting how the application of laws is inconsistent and politically influenced. It contrasts the lenient sentencing of a man who sent death threats with the harsher punishment of a woman for a less direct threat. The script also critiques the selective enforcement of laws during protests, the misuse of the Equality Act, and the potential for further legal measures to unfairly target certain groups, emphasizing that the authority behind law, not the law itself, often determines outcomes.

Takeaways

  • 📚 The script discusses the limitations of relying on the law for protection, emphasizing that the application of the law is more critical than the law itself.
  • 🏛️ It mentions several organizations like ADF International and the Free Speech Union that champion rights and liberties, suggesting a complex landscape of legal advocacy.
  • 📰 The script contrasts two cases involving different responses to threats, highlighting potential biases in the justice system's application of laws.
  • 👮‍♀️ It critiques the UK's justice system for what is perceived as a two-tier approach to justice, with different outcomes based on the context and perceived identity of the individuals involved.
  • 💬 The podcast episode touches on the role of the media, particularly The Guardian, in shaping public perception of legal cases and the context in which they occur.
  • 📈 The script references a report by Policy Exchange on the cost and impact of pro-Palestine protests, suggesting a broader economic and social impact of such events.
  • 🏙️ It discusses the chilling effect of legal actions on free speech and assembly, particularly in the context of protests and the policing of these events.
  • 📖 The script mentions the potential for the misuse of legislation like the Equality Act, suggesting that it can be used to favor certain groups over others.
  • 👩‍⚖️ It points out inconsistencies in how the law is applied, with examples of how certain views are protected while others are not, based on the prevailing political climate.
  • 📢 The podcast concludes with a call to recognize that the authority interpreting and applying the law has a significant impact on justice, rather than the law's text alone.

Q & A

  • What is the main theme discussed in the podcast segment?

    -The main theme discussed is the perceived injustice and bias in the application of the law, particularly in the UK, highlighting how the state's application of laws and the justice system can be influenced by political and social contexts rather than being impartial.

  • What organizations are mentioned as champions of rights and liberties?

    -ADF International and the Free Speech Union are mentioned as organizations that champion rights and liberties.

  • What is 'Islander magazine' and why is it mentioned in the script?

    -Islander magazine is a publication produced by the podcast's team, mentioned to promote their work and to announce the release of its second issue, which includes essays from various writers.

  • Why is the case of Nabil Arif mentioned in the podcast?

    -Nabil Arif's case is mentioned to illustrate the perceived two-tier justice system where he received a relatively short sentence for sending abusive messages and a death threat, which the podcast suggests is a lighter punishment compared to others in similar situations.

  • What contrast is drawn between the cases of Nabil Arif and Julie Sweeney?

    -The contrast is drawn to show a disparity in sentencing where Nabil Arif received a 12-week sentence for a direct death threat, while Julie Sweeney was jailed for about 2 years for a less direct threat, suggesting different standards of justice applied.

  • What is the significance of the Israel-Gaza conflict mentioned in relation to the death threats?

    -The Israel-Gaza conflict is mentioned to provide context for the abusive messages sent by Nabil Arif, suggesting it might have influenced his actions and the subsequent leniency in his sentencing.

  • What is the 'Policy Exchange' report discussed in the podcast?

    -The 'Policy Exchange' report is a document discussing the costs and impacts of the pro-Palestine protests in London, including the economic burden on the city and the police, and recommendations for changes in protest regulations.

  • Why does the podcast criticize the recommendation for a 'Protest Commission for London'?

    -The podcast criticizes the recommendation for a 'Protest Commission for London' because it suggests that such a commission, appointed by political figures, would be biased and not truly independent, potentially leading to selective enforcement of protest regulations.

  • What is the criticism regarding the application of the Equality Act as discussed in the podcast?

    -The criticism is that the Equality Act is being selectively applied to protect certain characteristics and beliefs favored by the state over others, particularly highlighting the case of an individual whose English nationalist views were not protected under the act.

  • How does the podcast segment conclude regarding the role of authority in the law?

    -The podcast concludes that the authority applying the law has a greater impact than the law itself, suggesting that the law is not inherently on the side of the people but is subject to the biases and interests of those in power.

Outlines

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📚 Legal Challenges and Censorship

The speaker discusses the complexities of relying on the law for protection of free speech, especially in the context of arrests over memes. They highlight the role of organizations like ADF International and the Free Speech Union in championing rights and liberties. Despite some legal victories, the speaker emphasizes that the application of the law is as crucial as the law itself. The discussion transitions into the production of 'Islander' magazine, which includes essays from various writers. The magazine is available for purchase, and the speaker humorously comments on the editor's hard work and personal hygiene. The speaker also mentions new merchandise and the potential for it to become a limited edition.

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🔍 Inconsistent Justice and Media Bias

This section contrasts the different legal outcomes for two individuals based on the nature of their threats. Nabil Arif, who sent death threats to Jess Phillips, was sentenced to only 12 weeks in jail, which the speaker finds lenient. In contrast, Julie Sweeney received a much harsher sentence for a less direct threat. The speaker criticizes the media, particularly The Guardian, for its biased reporting that contextualizes the threats differently based on the perceived victim. The speaker argues that the justice system and media are influenced by broader political contexts, leading to a two-tier justice system and biased reporting.

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🏛️ Policing Protests and Legal Recommendations

The speaker discusses a report by Policy Exchange on the costs and impacts of pro-Palestine protests in London, highlighting the financial burden on the police and the disruption to everyday life and business. The report includes recommendations for the government to establish a protest commission for London and to amend legislation to increase the notification period for protests and to protect national infrastructure. The speaker criticizes these recommendations as politically motivated and likely to be applied selectively, favoring certain groups over others based on political alignment rather than the principle of law.

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🏛️ The Selective Application of the Equality Act

The speaker critiques the Equality Act, arguing that it is used selectively to protect certain characteristics and beliefs over others. They discuss a case where an individual, Mr. S Thomas, claimed discrimination based on his English nationalist views but was denied protection under the Equality Act. The speaker points out the inconsistency in how the act is applied, suggesting that it serves to favor certain values over others, particularly those aligned with the state's preferences. They also mention an attempt to amend the act to protect afro hair, which they view as a frivolous use of the law.

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📜 The Return of Non-Crime Hate Incidents

The speaker warns of the return of non-crime hate incidents, which were previously ruled unlawful due to their recording practices by the College of Policing. Despite new legislation and guidance, the number of such incidents recorded has increased. The speaker is critical of this development, arguing that it can lead to unfair treatment and discrimination against individuals based on unfounded claims. They also mention a future scenario where describing someone's hair could be considered a hate incident, illustrating their concern over the potential misuse of such regulations.

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Keywords

💡ADF International

ADF International is a faith-based legal advocacy organization that specializes in defending religious freedom, the sanctity of life, and marriage and family. In the context of the video, ADF International is mentioned as one of the champions of rights and liberties, suggesting that they are an organization that viewers might look towards for support in legal battles related to free speech and other civil liberties.

💡Free Speech Union

The Free Speech Union is an organization that advocates for freedom of speech and expression. In the video, it is grouped with ADF International as entities that viewers might turn to when their rights are infringed upon, indicating the video's theme of the importance of free speech and the challenges faced in its defense.

💡Human Rights Act

The Human Rights Act is a piece of legislation that incorporates the European Convention on Human Rights into UK law. The video discusses the act in the context of using it as a tool for legal battles, suggesting that while it may offer some protections, its effectiveness is limited by who is applying it.

💡Equality Act

The Equality Act is UK legislation that provides a framework to protect individuals from discrimination. In the video, the act is mentioned as a potential tool for legal recourse, but the speaker expresses skepticism about its effectiveness due to the selective application of the law.

💡Two-tier Justice System

The term 'two-tier justice system' refers to a situation where different groups within society are subject to different standards of justice. The video uses this concept to critique the UK's legal system, arguing that the application of justice is inconsistent and biased, as illustrated by contrasting cases of individuals receiving different sentences for similar offenses.

💡Crown Prosecution Service

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) is the principal public prosecution authority in England and Wales. The video discusses the CPS in the context of its role in sentencing decisions, suggesting that the service's decisions are influenced by political and social factors rather than just the letter of the law.

💡Policy Exchange

Policy Exchange is a British think tank that conducts research and advocates for various policy changes. In the video, a report by Policy Exchange on the costs and impacts of pro-Palestine protests is mentioned, highlighting the economic and social effects of such protests on the UK.

💡Non-crime Hate Incidents

Non-crime hate incidents are actions that, while not criminal, are perceived as motivated by hatred towards a particular group. The video criticizes the recording of such incidents by the police, arguing that it can lead to unfair treatment and discrimination against certain groups, as it may be used to target individuals based on their beliefs rather than their actions.

💡Public Order Act

The Public Order Act is UK legislation that aims to maintain public order by prohibiting certain types of conduct, such as violent or threatening behavior. The video discusses potential amendments to this act, suggesting that changes could be used to restrict protests and further limit freedoms.

💡Equality and Human Rights Commission

The Equality and Human Rights Commission is a UK body responsible for enforcing equality legislation and promoting human rights. The video mentions the commission in the context of its potential role in evaluating the impact of protests, indicating concerns about the commission's impartiality and its influence on legal and social outcomes.

Highlights

Discussion on the limitations of relying on the law for protection of rights and liberties.

Introduction of ADF International and the Free Speech Union as champions of rights.

Critique of the application of the Human Rights Act and the Equality Act.

Analysis of the two-tier justice system in the UK with specific legal cases.

Launch of Islander magazine issue two featuring essays from various writers.

Details on the pricing and availability of the new Islander magazine issue.

Announcement of new merchandise and its limited edition status.

Case study of Nabil Arif's sentencing for sending death threats.

Comparison of sentencing disparities between different cases involving threats.

Critique of the Guardian's reporting bias in the context of legal cases.

Discussion on the costs and impact of pro-Palestine protests in London.

Findings from a Policy Exchange report on the policing of protests.

Recommendations from the report for changes in protest regulations and policing.

Analysis of the selective application of the Equality Act in employment tribunals.

Proposal to protect afro hair under the Equality Act and its implications.

Return of non-crime hate incidents recording by the College of Policing.

Call to action for viewers to follow on Twitter for updates on content.

Transcripts

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well everyone we often hear how the law

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is supposedly on our side I think we

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sort of comfort ourselves with that

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anytime that you get arrested for a meme

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um eventually there are champions of our

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rights and Liberties like ADF

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International the Free Speech Union who

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say don't worry we will win out in the

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end and they have someone some important

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legal cases but even if you do appeal to

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the tools of the enemy like the Human

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Rights Act the CHR or the equality act

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even if they do net us some wins like

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realizing bi logical sex or trying to

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reduce the number of thought crimes

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recorded by the police um what matters

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less than the letter of the law it turns

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out is who is applying the law and so

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we'll be going through some new examples

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today just to show you how much the

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state hates you that's basically our job

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over here at l.com the other job we have

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is producing amazing things like

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Islander magazine if you read the first

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issue well done you're a man of culture

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I see if you missed out on that we have

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now issue two that our Intrepid editor

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Rory has been working on diligently

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sweating away doing all the art getting

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all the he has been sweating he stinks

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yeah he honks he reeks that mullet is

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just dripping anyway um we have essays

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we have more essays this time around we

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have essays from K we have essays from

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RoR nationalists and Nea Pini we also

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have new writers like Dave green and

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Stephan mullu so if you are curious

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about what they've written for this

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apocalypse Edition you can go and pick

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it up for $14.99 same price as last time

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but Mor of money and because we listen

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to your feedback this time we are

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printing in batches rather than

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pre-ordering so it should mean that as

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soon as you order links are down in the

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description you should get it within 2

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to 3 weeks so long as whatever country

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you live in doesn't try and stop you

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from getting the gloriousness of

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Islander at the border we also have lots

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of new merch um this is back there and I

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pressed the wrong button didn't I there

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it is uh the new merch which is all of

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these wonderful design t-shirts they're

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also limited edition so as soon as

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Islander 2 goes out of print in how many

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weeks is that do we know

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okay four or five weeks so in in about a

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month or so uh this is no longer going

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to be available so quickly Rush down to

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the shop by the way I wasn't listening

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to the voices in my head it was my

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producer I'm sane I promise anyway let's

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quickly move on first example of this uh

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some bloke sent Jess Phillips a death

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threat I think this is a good example to

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contrast the two tiers of Justice in the

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UK so we're glad that this man Nabil

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Arif I'm sure she'll say he's just a man

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a man of nondescript identity from no

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particular location whatsoever

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moving swiftly on and we're glad Nabil

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Arif has been jailed he's only been

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sentenced 12 weeks he sent Phillips some

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abusive messages beginning from the

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Israel Gaza war in October 2023 in one

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message he told Jess Phillips hell is

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real and you will burn and in the last

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email he said that he will burn her till

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her skin is no more I mean that's

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disgusting it's a death threat he should

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get far longer than that I think we we

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all agree the prown crown prosecution

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service said he was sentenced to only 12

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weeks after a call

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after a tri at the same court on the

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29th of July um and he was made the

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subject of restraining order so he

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shouldn't ever contact Phillips again

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curiously though and I want to note this

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at the bottom of this article they

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include some details about the Israel

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Hamas War they say 1,200 people were

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killed in hamas's October the 7th

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assault close to 41,000 people were

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killed according to the health run

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Ministry in the Hamas run territory so

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so Guardian just dropped that in at the

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end of the article there almost as like

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an excuse for why he was making those

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claims to contextualize it so see how

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this is treated both by the crown

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prosecution service and the labor

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friendly press because the guardian

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basically hting well she was kind of

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asking for it yeah quite because

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contrast this with the Guardians

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reporting on this woman this is Julie

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Sweeney for those who don't remember of

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church Lon chesher she pled guilty at

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Chester Crown Court to sending a

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communication to convey a threat of

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death or serious harm um she was jailed

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for about 2 years and she said something

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that is far less a direct threat still

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very inadvisable don't do it it's silly

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but far less a direct threat than what

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the prior gentleman decided to say so

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she was part of a Facebook community

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group with 5,100 members responding to a

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photograph that showed a number of white

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and Asian people involved in cleaning up

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after Southport she posted it's

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absolutely ridiculous don't protect the

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mosques and she said this not me blow

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the mosque up with the adults in it

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again that's a bit extreme stupid

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disavow was she with the iment imminent

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ability of doing that no was the other

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fow more likely to be able to do that to

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Jess Phillips certainly we know this

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because in Jess Philip's own

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constituency there were masked Muslims

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that were armed attacking pubs and

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publicans uh occupying a roundabout

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threatening people in cars which Jess

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Phillips herself tried to obv escape for

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by the way and so the the sentencing

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judge Steven Everett jailed her for 15

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months so bit over a year and a half no

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sorry just under a year and a half

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telling her you should have been looking

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at the news and media with horror like

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every right-minded person instead you

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chose to take part in stirring up hatred

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you had a big audience you threatened a

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mosque it was a truly terrible threat so

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it's not enough to tell this woman that

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what she posted was um incitement of

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violence he had to give her a little

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moral uh beating as well tell her that

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here's how you're supposed to think I

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know that this will be reported in the

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newspapers so I'm going to signal to

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everybody reading how they should feel

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about things well he says here so-called

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keyboard Warriors have to learn to take

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responsibility for their language

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particularly in the context of the

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disorder that was going on around the

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country remember that phrase the context

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of what's going on broadly more

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politically influences the justice

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system that is the point they're making

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there well and it's also important to

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remember that when judge makes state

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judges make statements like this they're

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not making them for the person that

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they're sentencing they're making them

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for the newspapers to report on so

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everybody can read what you're supposed

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to do and to set precedent in law for

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future cases that's important thing also

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important to note for the guardian

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notice something missing at the bottom

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of this

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article ah it's context about the

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Southport Massacre that would have

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otherwise explained why Sweeney was so

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angry unlike the prior article that ends

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with details about Gaza um from the

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Hamas run health agency as well very

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reputable that tries to contextualize

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why AR sent Jess Phillips reprehensible

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death threat so again two-tier reporting

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to tier justice system so speaking of

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the right to protest um policy exchange

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have a report out on the pro Palestine

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protest you can go and download the

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publication in your own time give it a

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read if you have the time to read 150

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page report I wanted to pull out some

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findings from this because we can see

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here that the attempt to ameliorate the

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justice system and the police and the

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criminal prosecution service by

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principles and legislation and a mandate

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to duly impartially carry out the law is

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just going to end up giving them over

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more powers to prosecute people like us

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so it's not encouraging so there's some

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things in here and it says first of all

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it goes into the costs associated with

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importing this kind of ethn religious

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tension that we saw on the pro Palestine

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protest the Met police state the costs

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of policing the Palestine protest in

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London between October 2023 and June

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2024 were 42.9 million with

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517993 police officer shifts from

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offices usually based outside the

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Metropolitan Police area uh the 6,339

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police officers had rest days canceled

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between October and April 20124 all of

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which were to be repaid in due course

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bear in mind as we've covered repeatedly

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on this podcast the the exact kind of

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population to go on these Pro Palestine

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protests are not net tax contributors so

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they are frustrating our Capital City

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every weekend of Wednesday more of a

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drain exactly so these people are

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costing us money anyway and then they're

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costing us extra money to agitate for a

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foreign war on behalf of prescribed

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terror group bear in mind this happened

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in the aftermath of October the 7th not

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in the aftermath of Israel's response to

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the October the 7th so it was a

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celebration of what Hamas has done not a

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complaint about how Israel responded the

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same population as well um same host

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paying for it don't want to visit their

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own Capital City during these protests

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as a Londoner I can agree polling was

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conducted by policy exchange and it

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showed members of the public choosing

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not to engage in a wide range of

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activities because of these protests

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they didn't they dropped their plans to

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travel with small children 71% travel

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with an elderly or Mobility impaired

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friend or relative 69% visit a tourist

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attraction 62% go shopping 58% and eat a

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specific restaurant 58% so more costs

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economic but also cultural spiritual if

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the host population are being

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demoralized and chased out of their own

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capital city oh yeah I can speak from my

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own personal experience I've not been to

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London in at the very least over a year

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and I have no intention to go back if I

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can avoid it why would I go there it

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feels like navigating the rubble of the

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Tower of Babel at this point it's really

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unpleasant it's smelly it's busy it's

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expensive I want to get out as quickly

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as possible the main headline that came

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out of this report that everyone was

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reporting on they did an interview with

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assistant commissioner to the

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Metropolitan Police Matt twist and he

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said the following when we look back at

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the policing of protest over the last 8

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months we know we didn't get everything

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right particularly in the early stages

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of October we've developed our tactics

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since then becoming faster and more

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decisive on an occasion we did not move

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quickly to make arrests for example the

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man chanting for Jihad which was a

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decision made following fast time advice

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from lawyers and the CPS so guidance

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provided by the 700 strong Muslim

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activist Network in the home office and

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pro-immigration lawyers which usually

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have an ethnic and religious bias are

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advising the Met not to crack down on

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people chanting for inad and Jihad I

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wonder why he said we are now much more

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focused on identifying reasonable

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grounds for arrest acting where needed

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and then investigating so in these

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circumstances it's very likely arrest

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would be made more quickly now oh it's

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very likely arrest would be made more

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quickly now in the aftermath of another

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set of protests which were the

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indigenous population protesting and so

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now you're going to get much harder on

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it isn't that fascinating I I I wonder

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if anyone from the post Southport

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protest one of Mr Robinson's rallies not

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you other one would have chanted from

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the channel to the Irish sea Britain

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will be free they'd be locked up in

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handcuffs but not the other way around

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got it also an important detail uh that

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they find here so in order to Stage a

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protest in Britain you have to give the

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authorities six days warning if you want

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to do a large scale March the Palestine

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solidarity campaign contacted the

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Metropolitan Police to inform them of

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their intention to conduct their first

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mass Palestine protest 10 hours after

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the terrorist attack on October

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7th right so not protesting the gross

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injustices by the Israeli regime just

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open ethn religious solidarity and

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celebrating murders why were any of

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these

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allowed letter of the law could have

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stopped that any time but it doesn't

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that's most important so the recommended

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response was that the government should

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legislate to establish a protest

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commission for

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London protest commission for London

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involving independent Commission

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independent as we always know there is

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no such thing there's no such thing as a

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neutral process it's always political

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appointed by the Home Secretary

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following consultation with the mayor of

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London independent appointed by the

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labor Home Secretary and the labor mayor

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of London both of whom endorsed and

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oversaw the protests great suggestion

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the government should amend section 11

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of the public order act 1986 to increase

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the notification period for all protest

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marches to 28 days but they'll just step

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over that or they they want to they'll

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let the ones they like go ahead and

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they'll ban the ones they don't like

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which they do anyway the government

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should legislate to require the police

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forces must take action to prevent the

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interference by protesters with the

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operation of those installations of

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facilities classified as key National

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infrastructure and expand the definition

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of NA national infrastructure under the

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public order act 2023 to include

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Parliament government departments and

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the

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courts

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so they're anticipating some sort of

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physical attack on government

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parliaments and the courts cuz the only

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thing I can think of in recent memory

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was the protest outside the ceasefire

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debate where they projected from The

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River To The Sea on Big Ben but they

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knew where the projector was Martin

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dobly pointed out the Met police just

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shrug their shoulders and didn't arrest

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anyone didn't even turn it off so again

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choices were made here they could have

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done it at any time they also should

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make it unlawful for individuals at

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protest to wear face coverings so a

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couple of years after mandating them

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they're now going to make them illegal

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again I would feel I don't like face

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coverings but I would feel comfortable

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with people wearing face coverings if

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they weren't a demographic more likely

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to commit violence against me for

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ideological or impulse control reasons

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um Sadi KH also apparently conduct an

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equality impact of the protests on

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businesses tourism and threats to women

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the disabled and the elderly which I'm

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sure he'll do completely impartially

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just as he did with ules the

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commissioner of the Met police must take

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all possible steps to ensure all those

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that are suspected of committing

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criminal offenses at protests are

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arrested at the time of the offense so

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the police should do their jobs that's

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an actual recommendation in the policy

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report in modern Britain but as well we

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saw with the Southport riots and

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protests that went on that the

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Metropolitan Police will just Hoover up

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anybody if they feel like it depending

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on the cause of the protest in the first

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place yes but if it inflames Community

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tensions at Notting Hill Carnival the

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Palestine riots they'll let people go

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and sort of lazily try and track them

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down comfortably from their desk with a

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cup of tea and a packet of biscuits

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afterwards and maybe they might perform

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some arrests and even then they'll say

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oh a small minority will ruining it for

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the rest of us how could they there's

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also this reminder right provided in the

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executive

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summary Central to these events is the

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claim of a right to protest despite

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there being no such explicit and

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unfettered right within the ECR or the

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Human Rights Act 1998 instead of a right

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to protest the following articles are um

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allowing people to protest article 11

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right to freedom of peaceful assembly

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and Association and article 10 the right

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to freedom of expression both rights are

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explicitly qualified by restri itions as

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prescribed by law and unnecessary in a

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Democratic Society among other things in

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the interest of national security or

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public safety for the for the prevention

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of disorder and crime protection of

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health and morals protection of the

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rights of others etc etc so all of these

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are nebulous definitions and they just

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allow the state to pretend that they're

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ratifying and making impartial decisions

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on human rights and instead punish their

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political enemies and favor their

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political friends and the perfect

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example of this is the recommendation in

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here that the crown prosecution service

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must amend its legal guidance on

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offenses during protests demonstrations

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or campaigns to reduce the likelihood of

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suspects not being prosecuted for public

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interest reasons that's literally what

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the judge said in Sweeney's case that

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we're going to teach you keyboard

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Warriors a lesson none of that was said

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about Arif even though we had the

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Palestine marches and we had those armed

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Muslims in Jess Phillips's own

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constituency there wasn't a need to talk

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about Democratic principles or a

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chilling effect there just give him few

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weeks few months in prison and and keep

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them shut up about it again this is what

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I found I remembered this you tweet this

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out a while ago this is your law Harry's

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Law in effect you tweeted out no matter

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its intended foreign Target

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anti-terrorist technology and

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intelligence departments will be

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inevitably used to spy on and imprison

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white European populations this is

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exactly that well if the purpose of a

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system is what it does then the purpose

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of the UK government is to punish the

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British people quite yes perfect example

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of this is the equality act um the

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equality act that people keep saying we

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need to appeal to to get gender critical

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wins for example example uh this chap Mr

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S Thomas bear in mind um he does use

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social media like a boomer in here so I

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I I will point that out he went to anlo

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employment tribunal about the NHS

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claiming that he as a contractor had

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been discriminated against for his

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English nationalist views so the point

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of the equality Act is it's meant

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to protect certain characteristics as in

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the government's favored ones and

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certain beliefs from discrimination in

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employment so for example example um

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it's intersectionality codified in law

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you can obviously actively positively

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discriminate against white straight

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Christian men but you can't discriminate

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against black women for example the

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recent win that we supposedly got was

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the Maya for stat case where gender

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critical AKA believing in biological sex

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beliefs are now protected characteristic

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under the equality act but it just shows

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that even if you try and appeal to the

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equality act to get wins they will just

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selectively apply it if and where

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because this this chap um the judge

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ruled said by by the end of the hearing

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employment judge Hyde considered the

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third question from the list of issues

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was more properly posed

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as if uh were his anti-islamic views

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worthy of respect in Democratic Society

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incompatible with human dignity and did

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they conflict with the fundamental

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rights of others such that they would

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prevent the claimant's belief in English

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nationalism from being a protected

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characteristic AKA did they offend

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Muslims therefore can we fire him from

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his job and they say to the claimant and

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that he identifies his views to the

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claimant English nationalism is the

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nationalism that ass asserts the English

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are a nation and promotes bless you

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thank you the cultural Unity of English

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people the claimants focuses on national

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identity which does not depend on

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Ancestry or race rather than comment

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descent or race so he's very Boomer

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Civic

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nationalism England is a set of values

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ideals and even that is too far gone for

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the equality act so he's not even

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arguing for protection on the basis of

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ethnicity or racial identity he's

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arguing for the protection on the basis

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of values and even then they're making

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the discrimination against which values

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are preferred by the state versus which

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values are prescribed by the state

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they're saying sorry mate Britain is gay

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race communism values exactly so the

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decision was this judge hyid observed in

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cross-examination before the Leeds

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employment tribunal the claimant has

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said that Islam in its current form

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should be banned from England unless it

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were anglicized and toned down to fit

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within Society in England so even then

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he's being quite generous employment

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judge Hyde commented at the hearing

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before her the claimant did not dispute

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these comments were consistent with his

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English nationalism the claimant alleged

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his assignment within the NHS trust had

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been terminated because of his belief in

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English nationalism he claimed this was

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belief discriminatory contrary to the

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equality act 2010 at a hearing the

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employment tribunal heard held the

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claimant's belief was not protected by

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the equality act the claimant appealed

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this decision the appeal is dismissed

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the claimants views are of an English

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nationalism which believes there is no

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place in British Society for Muslims or

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Islam itself among the claimants views

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are that the Muslims should be forcibly

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deported from the United Kingdom these

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views are not capable of protection

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under the European convention on human

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rights as they would offend article 17

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which provides that nothing in this

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convention may be interpreted as

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implying for any state group or person

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to Enga to or to any right to engage in

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any activity or perform any act aimed at

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the destruction of any rights and

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freedoms set forth herein at the

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limitation to a greater extent that's

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provided in the convention the claim is

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not prevent not prevented from holding

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his views but he is outside of the right

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to complain that he has been

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discriminated against in relation to

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those beliefs in the circumstances

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covered by the eqa it's obvious that

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he's been discriminated against on the

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grounds of belief because this is

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happening in the judgment and so what

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the equality act exists to do is

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designate certain beliefs and certain

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characteristics above certain others and

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afford them certain legal protections

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over the indigenous host population and

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I don't necessarily want to use the

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equality act for any of this I would

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rather the entire thing with scrapped

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but the point matters that who applies

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the law matters less than the consistent

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letter of the law and here's a great

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example um melb and some labor

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politician for for Birmingham erdington

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paulet Hamilton MP are trying to bring

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forth an amendment to protect afro hair

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under the equality

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act no if it was up to me no I mean

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again we'd scrap the whole thing if it

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was up to me but this is frivolous yeah

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well you're in a joke of a country so

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actually um our favorite independent

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journalist Cony drer has given us a

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vision of the future uh you're under

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arrest for describing a mixed race

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woman's hair as frizzy without an afro

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hair Ally license which is a serious

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crime it's all in here mate you're going

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away for a long time makes me sick there

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are people like you walk in the streets

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well not for much

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longer you think I'm joking I mean this

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is I've seen him post a few of these

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with this particular gentleman this

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particular officer holding up a variety

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of books the um second treaties on

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government second sex is one of them uh

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the The Second Sex um Vindication of the

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rights of women it's all in here mate

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it's all in here this is why we're doing

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this set text by the College of policing

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now look I'll wrap this up because um

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you think I'm joking I wish I wish want

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a joke of a country because this

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actually could be possible because IET

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Cooper is bringing back non-crime hate

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incidents and we say than bringing back

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because for of the show Harry Miller in

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2021 took the College of policing to

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court and it was ruled that the way they

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were recording these non-crime hate

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incidents was unlawful they were giving

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you a black mark on your DBS check not

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informing you of who had made the claim

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what evidence the claim was and if you

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had a claim against you and so you could

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be turned down for jobs without ever

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knowing why and because there's no

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evidentiary standard the people that

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were making the claim were treated

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automatically as the victims and you as

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perpetrators even though they're not

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crimes he had found that between 2014

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when these were adopted as a result of

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the mcferson report and 2020 over

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120,000 of these been recorded we now

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estimate 250,000 of these have been

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recorded and despite sella braveman in

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2023 putting in the police crime

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sentencing and courts Bill new

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legislation and guidance being given to

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the College of policing to stop

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recording these for frivolous reasons

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they went up last

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year the law does not matter 30 of the

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43 police forces in England and Wales

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increased the number of non-crime hate

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incidents they recorded So I just want

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to reiterate for everyone and you can

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find out more about these stats in a

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recent episode of my show that I did

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there I broke it down for an hour and a

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half it's very laborious but hopefully a

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useful resource the point of this

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segment is to reiterate as Thomas Hobbs

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once said autoritas non Veritas faket Le

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Authority not truth makes law and the

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people applying the law are the

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authority that matters more than its

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letter it's not on our side I hope you

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appreciated that segment from the

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podcast to the Lotus Eaters and if you

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