P1 | Christian Homeschool Speech and Debate Students and Sheikh Uthman | One Message Foundation
Summary
TLDRIn this discussion, the speaker addresses questions about the Quran's teachings on human creation. They explain that Allah created Adam from nothing, mud, and clay, and from Adam came mankind. The conversation also touches on the Quranic description of human development, distinguishing between the creation of Adam and regular human birth, involving a clinging clot. The speaker further discusses Islamic beliefs on abortion, the soul's entry into the fetus, and how this affects the definition of murder. The conversation then shifts to early Christian manuscripts, their origins, and the reliability of the Gospels.
Takeaways
- 🕌 The speaker discusses the creation of mankind according to the Quran, with Adam being the first human.
- 🧱 Allah created Adam from mud, which was turned into clay, emphasizing that man was made from nothing initially.
- 💉 The Quran describes the regular creation of humans from a clinging clot of blood, referring to the stages of human development in the womb.
- 🔄 There is a distinction between Adam’s creation and the regular development of humans in the womb, with Adam being created directly from clay.
- 🧬 Human beings in the womb go through stages, including a leech-like clot stage, symbolizing the early stages of embryonic development.
- 🌬 The soul is believed to be breathed into the fetus during the first trimester, marking the point when it is considered a human being in Islamic belief.
- 🚫 Abortion is generally prohibited in Islam unless there is a serious health concern, but it’s not considered murder before the soul is breathed into the fetus.
- 📖 The Quran and Hadith provide guidance on human creation and stages of development, with Hadith explaining further details like the soul being breathed into the fetus.
- 📜 The speaker discusses differences between the Quranic Injil, the original message given to Jesus, and the Christian Gospels, which were written later.
- 📚 There’s a discussion about biblical texts and authorship, highlighting the uncertainty around who wrote certain New Testament books, such as Hebrews.
Q & A
What does the Quran say about the origin of mankind?
-The Quran states that Allah created mankind, starting with Adam. Adam was created from mud, clay, and then formed into a human. Eve was created from Adam, and from them came mankind.
How does the Quran describe the creation of Adam?
-Adam was created from nothing initially, then Allah took mud from different parts of the Earth. This mud was formed into clay, and from that clay, Adam was created as a complete human form.
What does the Quran say about the creation of regular humans?
-Regular humans are described as being created from a 'clinging clot,' referring to the stages of human development in the womb, which begins with a clot of blood.
What is the difference between Adam's creation and the creation of regular humans according to the speaker?
-Adam's creation was unique, formed directly from clay and mud. In contrast, regular humans are born from a water-like substance and develop in stages within the womb, starting from a clinging clot.
What does the speaker mean by a 'clinging clot' in relation to human development?
-The 'clinging clot' refers to the early stages of human development in the womb when the embryo attaches to the wall of the womb. It is not a literal leech but something that clings to the womb.
What does the speaker say about when life begins in the womb according to Islamic teachings?
-Life begins when the soul is breathed into the fetus, which occurs around the first trimester. After this, the fetus is considered a human, and aborting it would be considered equivalent to murder.
What is the Islamic ruling on abortion before the soul is breathed into the fetus?
-Abortion before the soul is breathed is still considered wrong, but it is not viewed as murder. Exceptions can be made for medical reasons or if the mother's health is at risk.
How does Islamic law view harm caused to a fetus in early pregnancy?
-Before the soul is breathed into the fetus, harming it would not be considered manslaughter or murder. However, after the soul is breathed into the fetus, any harm leading to its death would be treated as murder.
What is the speaker’s response to the question about the Quran's reference to a clot of blood in human creation?
-The speaker clarifies that the clot of blood refers to the development of regular humans, not Adam. Adam’s creation was from mud and clay, whereas the clot refers to the stages of human development in the womb.
What does the speaker say about the Gospels and their origins?
-The speaker explains that the Gospels were written after Jesus, not during his life. They are not the original message (Injeel) given to Jesus but are later writings attributed to his apostles, with no manuscripts from the first Christian century.
Outlines
🕌 The Creation of Mankind According to the Quran
In this section, the speaker discusses the Islamic perspective on the origin of mankind as described in the Quran. Allah, referred to by different names, created the first human, Adam, from nothing. Adam was formed from mud or clay, and from him, Eve was created, leading to the birth of mankind. The speaker clarifies that this creation is different from regular human birth, where humans develop from a blood clot in the womb. The discussion highlights the differences between the creation of Adam and the process of human birth, emphasizing that Adam was created as a fully formed being.
📜 Stages of Development and Abortion in Islam
The conversation shifts towards the stages of human development in the womb and Islamic views on abortion. The speaker explains that there are specific stages, and after a certain point (around the first trimester), the soul is breathed into the fetus, marking it as a human being. Prior to this, abortion is still considered wrong, but it is not equated to murder. After the soul is present, terminating the fetus is seen as equivalent to murder. The speaker provides an example of Islamic rulings in cases of accidental harm to a pregnant woman, stating that manslaughter charges would only apply once the soul has entered the fetus.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Quran
💡Adam
💡Eve
💡Mud and Clay
💡Clinging Clot
💡Soul Breathing
💡Hadith
💡Injeel
💡Abortion in Islam
💡Bart Ehrman
Highlights
Allah created mankind, first being Adam, then from Adam came Eve, and from them, humanity was born.
The Quran mentions that Adam was created from nothing, then mud, and clay.
There is a distinction between the creation of Adam and regular human birth.
Adam was created fully formed from clay, not as a baby.
Regular human creation involves stages of development in the womb from a 'clinging clot.'
The 'clinging clot' refers to a stage in the womb where a human develops.
The soul is breathed into the fetus after a certain period, marking it as a human being.
Abortion before the soul is breathed is wrong but not considered murder in Islam.
Abortion after the soul is breathed into the fetus is treated as murder in Islamic law.
Islam allows abortion if there is a medical reason or danger to the mother's health.
The Quran describes the stages of fetal development, starting from a 'leech-like clot.'
The leech-like clot refers to something clinging to the womb, not an actual leech.
In Islamic rulings, harming a fetus after the soul has been breathed into it is considered manslaughter.
Islamic rulings differentiate between early fetal development and the later stages where the soul is present.
The Hadith and Islamic texts guide these interpretations, with the soul breathed around the first trimester.
Transcripts
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allah how are you good how are you good
good
all right so you're just taking
questions sure all right so um
i was just wondering what did the quran
say about where man came from
specifically good question man so um
allah the creator whether you know him
through many different names the most
merciful most forgiving whatever name
you know him through he created mankind
first one being adam right from adam he
created eve and from them came mankind
but where did he make adam from
from nothing allah made it as he did
what does the sarah say four different
times that he made man from nothing from
clay from mud and some blood no because
see the first is that allah there was
nothing then allah
chose to from nothing i mean there was
nothing then he chose to get mud from
all over the earth right from different
types so in the beginning nothing then
from that mud that was put together then
that was formed into clay right and then
from a clinging clot this is this has to
do with regular humans right meaning
that regularly people are born from a
water or that comes forth right
do you understand the difference or no
are you done did
so first there was nothing nothing right
meaning from nothing
created from the mud the clay yes
blood clot is actually about regular
birth this is about insane not about
adam alaysa now right doesn't the sarah
say that
the creator made
from blood
man meaning man every every person who's
born is from a clot of blood like this
that goes and becomes you know when it's
i don't get too graphic here young kids
right but anyway so
one is the beginning of how mankind
started with adam with adam and that is
where you have first nothing and then
clay that's put together formed into a
human form right into mud from mud but
not like mud like from the dirt dirt
right like just like for example we have
gin that are made out of fire but it
doesn't mean like fire like the one you
light on your oven right this is the
building block from there allah made
adam as he was meaning in a full form he
wasn't a little baby in things like this
but the quran also talks about how
people are regularly created right the
stages of development in the womb from a
clinging leech right people who don't
know the quran they confuse those to
mean that they think this is the same
discussion right meaning one is the
original man you look at the context of
the verses right one is how regularly
people are developed and the clot of
blood this is for everybody
you understand that yeah all right good
did you refer to the clot as a leech
it leaches to the side of the womb right
so it's a leaching thing not not a leech
like a leech that you know you get
drinks your blood but something that
clings to the side of the womb is it
considered a human
so it's a good question i mean we i
think you're going down to the
discussion about abortion and abortion
rights and things
the thing about the clot
i hear often
we believe that there are stages in the
womb of the mother right and there is a
stage that after a certain period of
time the soul is breathed into the into
the
fetus right from then on that's a human
being but even before that we don't
believe you can abort without reason
unless there's danger to health or you
know some kind of a
actual medical reason that is the
beginning of life right
so what stage of development
does so we have stages there are four
stages the after the first stage was
going to be around the first trimester
you're going to have the soul that's
breathed into the into the fetus and
from then on
that would be as if it's murder right so
what while it's still in the first stage
it's okay it's not okay as i said
earlier but it's not a human but it's
not a murder right meaning that for
example if somebody has a uh medical any
uh hardship it's not it's not like it's
not going to be a life-threatening
emergency but somebody uh for example
knows that if they get pregnant
the blood loss and things are going to
be huge and they are bored in the first
trimester it's still wrong islamically
but we would not charge them with murder
but after the soul is breathed then that
fetus has developed features and all of
that then if you if you convert like
abortion it would be like murder right
the same rulings would apply
let me give you an example right let's
say a woman has just got pregnant like
last week and somebody hits her the car
right now are you gonna charge them with
manslaughter of one person or two
right so here islamically until the soul
is breathed it's still one person right
until the soul
is breath into the fetus right so after
that then islamically they would be
charged with two
right meaning i mean you can't take it
back too far because otherwise i mean if
somebody you know
spills their doesn't mean that they just
somebody right
but there is a time after which the
fetus will be considered a human being
right
i'm just curious
like what what like specific verses
it's a hadith
you know what it is
what book are you talking about
hadith is not one book right hadith are
the sayings
saying the prophet muhammad peace be
upon him we have many books like bukhari
abu dhabi
some are weak we checked them for
verification
so one is the angel right injeel is a
name given to the message that was sent
to isabel
you know jesus yes the original message
of jesus called the injib
okay so those include the gospels right
no because the injeel is the actual
message given to the prophet jesus right
the gospel is written later as you know
right i mean there are not the writings
of jesus or even the apostles around him
right they're attributed to that
right
the gospels the ones that were written
in the first century they were not
during the first i mean you know the
earliest greek you know what
how many manuscripts of the new
testament do we have from the first
christian century
none
written in the first century they were
not
so what is the earliest manuscripts
um they were about 30 years after yeah
yeah have you read like bart ehrman or
any kind of research on this
new testament who does believe who
yeah he's a new testament bart ehrman
actually the latest ones are
attributed to
uh john
like revelation so like for example
for example hebrews right the book of
hebrews who wrote it
we're not exactly sure but it's right
so it's anonymous actually right because
we don't know who wrote it
right so
we don't actually know then right
the other gospels the actual gospels we
do know holy authors were and that for
example paul writes that 500 brothers
are still living paul being soul
originally right what paul who the
original name saul right yes
yeah all right so meaning but paul never
physically met jesus right only in a
vision right right but he also was
living at the same time with the
apostles and he was quoting tweets that
were
but they're not direct writings of the
apostles then
what language did he write it in
i think it was great so mark spoke greek
or did he speak aramaic
or hebrew i don't remember exactly which
one it was written
okay but
they
were written
during that time
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