ThinkRider X5-Neo Smart Cycle Trainer: Details // Ride Review
Summary
TLDRВ этом видео обзоре рассматривается первый из четырех моделей стационарных велотренажеров, прошедших тестирование в Llama Lab. Автор детально рассматривает процесс разборки, сборки, настройки и тестирования тренажеров, используя собственный протокол, включающий различные типы нагрузок и сценариев использования. Основное внимание уделяется тренажеру X5 Neo от компании ThinkRider, включая его технические характеристики, конструкцию, опыт вождения и результаты тестов на точность мощности. Автор выявляет преимущества и недостатки, включая тихую работу, хороший ощущение вождения и проблемы с точность мощности, отсутствие данных о кадранге и некорректное поведение при спринтах.
Takeaways
- 🚴♂️ Скрипт охватывает первый из четырех видеообзоров стационарных велотренировочных устройств, прошедших тестирование в Llama Lab.
- 🔍 Процесс включает распаковку, сборку, настройку, обновление и тестирование тренажеров с использованием собственного тестового протокола Llama Lab.
- 📏 Технические характеристики тренажера ThinkRider X5 Neo включают прямое приводное взаимодействие, совместимость с быстрой замкой 130 и 135 мм, поддержку нативного осевой упора и беспроводные протоколы ANT+.
- 💡 Отсутствие измерения каденса и FTMS, а также сверхгрупооткатая система вентиляции, которая активируется при высокой нагрузке.
- 💰 Цены на тренажеры могут варьироваться в зависимости от дистрибьютора и объема закупок, что делает их ценовой диапазон от среднего до высокого по сравнению с другими аналогами на рынке.
- 🛠️ Ассемблирование тренажера описано как простое и без проблем, хотя есть замечания о некоторой нехватке прозрачности и уровней для стойки.
- 🔊 Внутри тренажера есть шумные вентиляторы, которые включаются при высоких оборотах, что может быть заметно.
- 🏁 В испытаниях Llama Lab показала хорошую работу тренажера в режиме SIM и ERG, с отличными изменениями уклонов и устойчивым сопротивлением при спринтах.
- 📊 Анализ точности мощности показал некоторую неточность, особенно при спринтах, где мощность могла быть как недостаточной, так и избыточной.
- 🔄 Отсутствие функции калибровки в игре Zwift, требующая использования приложения тренажера для калибровки.
- 💡 Основные недостатки тренажера включают не точную мощность, отсутствие данных о каденсе, необходимость использования внешнего сенсора каденса и непрерывно работающие светодиоды без режима ожидания.
Q & A
Что означает аббревиатура 'LLAMA' в контексте видео?
-В данном контексте 'LLAMA' не является аббревиатурой, а скорее название лаборатории, которая проводит тесты и анализы на интеллектуальные тренажеры для велосипедистов.
Какой процесс тестирования проходит каждый тренажер в видео?
-Каждый тренажер проходит процесс распаковки, сборки, настройки, обновления и тестирования с использованием собственного тестового протокола LLAMA Lab, который проверяет точность и реакцию тренажера на различные типы сценариев использования.
Какой китайский производитель тренажеров является предметом обзора в видео?
-В видео рассматривается продукт компании 'Think Rider', которая производит тренажеры и аксессуары для велосипедистов.
Какой модель тренажера Think Rider рассматривается в видео?
-В видео рассматривается модель тренажера 'X5 Neo' от компании Think Rider.
Каковы технические характеристики 'X5 Neo' по поводу совместимости?
-Тренажер 'X5 Neo' имеет совместимость с_quick release 130 и 135, поддержку нативного through axle, и поддерживает протоколы ANT+ для передачи данных о силе и скорости, но не имеет измерения кадра.
Какой диапазон мощности宣称 'X5 Neo'?
-Тренажер 'X5 Neo'宣称能够 обеспечивать мощность от нуля до 2000 ватт с точностью +/- 2%.
Каковы некоторые недостатки 'X5 Neo', которые были выявлены в видео?
-Некоторые недостатки 'X5 Neo' включают нехватку точности мощности в режиме усталости и при спринтах, отсутствие данных о кадре, необходимость калибровки через приложение, отсутствие уровня для ножек и отсутствие режима сна для подсветки.
Какие функции теста 'Llama Lab' не прошли 'X5 Neo'?
-Функции теста 'Llama Lab', которые 'X5 Neo' не смог пройти, включают точную реакцию на мощность при спринтах и точную работу с частотой вращения волока в различных тестах.
Какие преимущества 'X5 Neo' были отмечены в видео?
-Преимущества 'X5 Neo' включают тихую работу, хороший ощущение вождения, быстрые изменения градиента в режиме симуляции, и хорошую устойчивость мощности в режиме эргометра.
Какие цены на тренажер 'X5 Neo' упоминаются в видео?
-Цены на 'X5 Neo' в видео варьируются от 500 долларов США, от 460 до 599 евро, от 387 фунтов стерлингов и в Австралии от 686 до 1100 австралийских долларов.
Что предполагает процедура калибровки тренажера 'X5 Neo'?
-Процедура калибровки тренажера 'X5 Neo' предполагает использование их приложения, и рекомендуется выполнять калибровку каждые 30 часов работы тренажера.
Outlines
🚴♂️ Тестирование тренажеров от ThinkRider X5 Neo
В видео ревью автор освещает первый из четырех тренажеров, прошедших тесты в Llama Lab. Процесс включает распаковку, сборку, настройку, обновление и тестирование тренажеров с использованием собственного протокола Llama Lab. Тестируются различные режимы работы, такие как симуляция, эрго-режим, постоянная скорость, разгоны и тесты наклонов. Для сравнения используются доверенные источники мощности на велосипеде. Обсуждается первый тренажер от китайской компании ThinkRider, конкретно модель X5 Neo, с техническими характеристиками, такими как прямой привод, совместимость с различными осями, поддержкой протоколов ANT+ и Bluetooth Smart, но без измерения каденса. Автор также затрагивает уровень шума, мощность, точность мощности, максимальные углы наклона и стоимость, которая может варьироваться в зависимости от региона.
📊 Анализ точности мощности тренажера X5 Neo
Второй параграф сосредоточен на анализе точности мощности тренажера X5 Neo с использованием DC Raindrop Analyzer Tool для сравнения данных с другими источниками мощности. В ходе тестов на постоянную работу, разгоны и другие упражнения, тренажер показал некоторые отклонения в мощности, особенно при максимальных нагрузках, где не удалось достичь установленной мощности. Также обсуждается поведение тренажера при изменении скорости вала, где при высокой скорости мощность была несколько ниже, чем на踏板ах. Автор заметил, что тренажер иногда некорректно показывает мощность во время активных наклонов, что может привести к неточности в симуляциях.
🔧 Про и против тренажера ThinkRider X5 Neo
В заключительном параграфе автор резюмирует свои впечатления о тренажере, выявляя его преимущества и недостатки. Среди преимуществ - тихая работа, хороший ощущение вождения, быстрое реагирование на изменения угла наклона в симуляциях и стабильность в эрго-режиме. Недостатками являются неполная точность мощности, отсутствие калибровки в игре, проблемы с измерением мощности при разгонах, отсутствие данных о каденсе и отсутствие уровня для стоянки. Автор также затрагивает вопросы дизайна, таких как отсутствие уровня для подножки и непрерывное свечение огней. В заключение рекомендует покупать тренажер у местного дилера с гарантией и поддержкой.
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Keywords
💡велотренажер
💡Llama Lab
💡тест прочности
💡эрг-режим
💡SIM-режим
💡мощность
💡точность мощности
💡уровень наклона
💡беспроводная протоколы
💡Bluetooth Smart
💡FMS
Highlights
The video covers a comprehensive test of indoor cycling trainers, including unboxing, building, configuration, updating, and testing using the Llama Lab test protocol.
The first trainer reviewed is the ThinkRider X5 Neo, a smart trainer from a Chinese company with global distribution.
The X5 Neo is a direct drive interactive smart trainer with compatibility for quick release 130 and 135, and native through axle support.
The trainer supports wireless protocols AT Plus Power and Speed but lacks cadence measurement.
Power accuracy is claimed to be within plus or minus two percent, and calibration can be done via the ThinkRider app.
The X5 Neo has a maximum gradient of 15% and a flywheel size of 5.1 kilos, offering a quiet operation.
The price of the X5 Neo varies significantly across different regions, placing it in a mid to high range bracket compared to other trainers.
The physical construction of the X5 Neo is straightforward, but it has some issues with clearance and lacks leveling options for the feet.
The trainer's internal cooling fans can be noisy at high RPMs, which is a minor drawback.
The X5 Neo performed well in sim mode with responsive gradient changes and smooth erg mode setpoint holding.
Power changes in erg mode were prompt and stable, and the trainer did not spin out the flywheel during sprint tests.
The DC Rainier Analyzer tool was used to compare the X5 Neo's power accuracy with other trusted power meters.
The X5 Neo reported slightly lower power readings compared to the power meters on the bike during steady state tests.
The trainer struggled with sprint accuracy, either missing or overshooting the power targets.
The flywheel speed test revealed that the X5 Neo read lower than the actual power output during high-speed spinning.
In the slow ramp test, the X5 Neo was slower to respond and over-read the power, potentially affecting performance in esports racing.
The X5 Neo's physical ride experience was praised, but its power accuracy and lack of cadence data were noted as cons.
The video concludes with a summary of the X5 Neo's performance, highlighting its quiet operation and good ride feel, but also its power accuracy issues.
Transcripts
in this video i cover the first of four
indoor cycling trainers put through the
llama lab last week now for each indoor
trainer this process involves the
unboxing the building the configuration
the updating and test writing these
trainers using my own llama lab test
protocol that puts the trainer or power
meter through its paces under a number
of typical use case scenarios those
being sim mode erg mode steady state
riding over and unders sprints and ramp
tests
all of these tests are typically done
with two other trusted sources of power
on the bike to see how accurate the
trainer is and how it responds to all of
those scenarios the first cab off the
rank is from think rider think right at
a chinese company who produce indoor
cycling trainers and accessories they do
have a global distribution you may or
may not have heard of them but today
obviously we're going to go through one
of their products that isn't quite their
flagship product it's the x5 neo which
is one or two down the list depending on
how you classify their offerings okay
let's get straight to the technical
details or technical specifications of
this smart trainer before we jump on the
bike and have a look it is a direct
drive interactive smart trainer
compatibility is quick release 130 and
135 those adapters are supplied also has
support for native through axle although
those adapters may or may not be
included depending on where you
purchased the unit from the freehub as
we've come to expect shimano or sram
hyperglide compatible no cassette is
supplied with that other free hub
options are available it does have a
pivoting rear axle meaning it is
compatible with things like the elite
riser and the wahoo kicker climb the
wireless protocols are at plus power and
speed and also at plus fec but you get
no cadence with any of those there's no
cadence measurement with this trainer
it's also bluetooth smart compatible but
it is not ftms at this point in time
power between zero and 2000 watts power
accuracy claims plus or minus two
percent calibration spin down via their
app however it doesn't appear to have a
little icon for calibration in zwift max
gradient 15 flywheel size is 5.1 kilos
i've seen it listed as six kilos
elsewhere that's really neither here nor
there because the ride feel of a train
depends on the gearing and the belt and
the uh the big drive wheel size as well
and obviously the gear that you select
on your bike however it does have quite
a beefy flywheel noise level is quiet
which is what we've come to expect from
direct drive trainers these days the
power source is mains power it's
firmware upgradable and i also state it
has an eight degree tilt both ways i
didn't quite feel that but it is on the
spec sheet so i will include it there
now price wise it's kind of interesting
coming out of china these trainers don't
really have a set price that that's the
price it really depends on what the
local distributor wants to charge and i
guess the volumes that they buy in the
prices that i have seen for this trainer
has been u.s 500
euro between 460 and 599. 387 pounds or
in australia it gets really weird
between 686 dollars australian and up to
1100 australian so i give this a price
bracket of mid to high range compared to
other trainer offerings on the market as
for the construction of this trainer out
of the box think writer themselves have
this all covered over on their youtube i
found it straightforward and had no
issues a few notes from me though on the
physical side of things the non-drive
side does have issues with clearance of
through axle levers you'll need to have
a through axle that screws in with an
allen key there's no leveling options
for the feet so if your floor isn't
quite level you'll need to get creative
yourself it has lights that just do not
quit those things are always on and the
x5 neo has some very noisy internal
cooling vans that will kick in at high
rpms when things get very very hot these
didn't start up very often but when they
did you could definitely hear them
now onto the ride experience and the
llama lab test now this trainer was
received back in november 2021 which was
five months ago and i've been waiting
for a new firmware update to come out
which was promised to have cadence and
maybe squeeze a little bit more out of
that maximum resistance of 15 i think it
was going to push it to 20. i haven't
seen that firmware it wasn't available
when i did these tests it's been five
months so i just rolled with what i had
the adopted benchmark for simo testing
is of course titan's grove with its
rolling heels i found the gradients to
be responsive using bluetooth kicking in
and out as i was seeing on the screen
this was quite well handled by the x5
neo in erg mode it held the setpoint
watts very very well nice and smooth as
you can see here in 200 watts and also
at 250
over and under also no problems for the
x5 neo the power changes were prompts
and stabilized very very quickly
the sprinting resistance was also
excellent i was unable to spin out the
flywheel
so the limiter there was of course my
legs not the trainer
so the physical ride experience with the
x5 neo was pretty good to be honest
those thing gradient changes were nice
and fast it packed a punch up those
steeper gradients erg mode nice and
smooth held that set point beautifully
and also changed set point nice and fast
and i couldn't spin it out in a sprint
but that's only most of the picture
let's look at the other half the power
accuracy reported from this trainer and
for that it's over here to my favorite
website on the internet the dcr analyzer
tool where we can compare multiple data
recordings as an overlay and see how
they stack up unlike this chair which
keeps stacking down okay so we have the
x5 neo up against the powdermax ngco and
the asiyoma duos those last two on the
bike being a pretty well trusted source
of the truth of power accuracy
standard llama lab test here
warm up for 10 minutes then a spin down
performed on the trainer and also a zero
offset performed on both power meters
jumping into the 200 watt steady state
here for 10 minutes we have the think
rider reporting set point wattage so it
has erg mode smoothing on there which
will report 200 watts regardless of
really what i'm doing plus or minus a
little bit so the average from the x5
neo 199 powdermax in g co 206 and the
astromedia 205. so the thinkwriter x5 at
200 reporting just a little bit lower
than the other two meters on the bike
into the 250 watt steady state for 10
minutes and a similar story there with
the numbers
249.59 from the think rider neo x5
holding a nice set point there with its
fake watts
the power meters on the bike 256 and 250
4.3 so very very close there on the
bikes but they think about it being a
little bit lower i'd take a guess that
think rider aren't factoring in any
drivetrain losses whatsoever with their
power calculations which we know some
other training companies do
on to the sprint
and this particular sprint
well didn't quite get there with the x5
neo the other two meters on the bike
looking pretty good for what is a
maximal sprint test and the x5 neo
not even cracking the thousand watts for
two data points there so not quite
getting it right for the sprints
hmm on the overs and numbers as i said
nice and prompt for the over and under
changes
of uh
resistance we can see that it's very
squared off from the thinkwriter neo in
purple that's because it's reporting the
set point which is always going to be
almost perfect but the other two meters
on the bike they'd play along and show
that the experience was quite good as
i've reported 259 263 262 again i think
radio being a little bit under
but no big overs and unders no massive
lag in changing from low to high or high
to low that's all looking pretty good
just the power side of things just a
little bit off though i am being very
very nitpicky it's only a few watts
there now to the flywheel speed test of
the llama lab test this is always an
interesting little experiment to perform
on trainers now what this does is i set
the trainer to 225 watts in erg mode so
steady state for four and a half minutes
and every 90 seconds i change the
flywheel speed starting off with a very
very slow flywheel speed so small ring
at the front big cog on the back 90
seconds i changed that up and then the
last test i changed up to 53 11 or 53 12
on the back and really spin things up
and most trainers failed that last 90
seconds as we can see right here this
doesn't do too bad but not quite close
as we expect starting off with the
slower flywheel speed they're all
looking pretty good holding nice steady
state holding nice power i put it up
into a higher flywheel speed things
start separating just a little bit still
holding quite well and then where most
things fall apart which is the last 90
seconds where i really spin that
flywheel up in the 5311 and as i get on
top of the gear here and things start
stabilizing look it stabilizes quite
well but it does read a little low for
the power that i'm actually doing on the
bike so the set point reporting there
224 or 225 plus or minus again but what
i'm actually doing on the pedals there
247 259 you can see that it's around 250
watts plus on the pedals so not quite
passing the llama lab test for that
little section there but
not many trainers do and then right at
the end as i go back into sim mode from
erg mode and the resistance clamps on to
the trainer and the flywheel's still
going quite high you can see the power
artificially go through the roof
so a bit of a quirk there with the
flywheel speed and the power reporting
from the x5
the final section of this llama lab test
was a slow ramp test and a slow hill jam
i'll call it so just riding along just
riding along under 100 watts things look
okay i slowly ramp up the x5 is a little
slower to respond
start to play ball with the two other
meters through here to 400 then
overreads it then under reads and then
overreads so well it's got all bases
covered i guess but
not that impressive through here pushing
600 plus
through this little ramp test here so if
you were racing on zwift or any other
esports racing platform you're going to
be robbed of a few watts
under that scenario there then it was
just riding along just riding along
where it wasn't too bad at around 200
watts probably reading just a little low
and then into a hill jam where i'm on
the pedals really really quickly not an
all-out sprint just uh i guess the
acceleration of a small climb
didn't quite get the peak power
of one or two pedal strokes there took a
little while to come up to meet the
other two parameters okay through here
and then yeah back to what it was before
with that slower drop off in watts
the following day i performed a second
llama lab test i'll be at a shorter one
this time with some just riding along
coco cadence a bunch right here
and 192 202 201 again being consistently
lower than the other two meters and i
think it's because that drivetrain loss
isn't being factored in that is uh 10
watts or so not quite within the plus or
minus two with that section there
another short section of 200 and 250
watt steady state performed
224 231.5 to 30.5 again the two
parameters on the bike proving that they
are pretty close well very close uh and
the x5 neo just reading a little under
in that erg the sprint on day number two
was a different story the day before
this time it waited and then overshot
now i'm not quite capable of 1405
indoors however today the thinkrider x5
thought i was so
sprints yesterday it missed the sprints
and missed those peaks today got a
little bit too excited and overshot them
onto the overs and unders and same story
as the day before again just doing a
two-up test for this to make sure
everything is right again the graph's
looking pretty good change is nice and
fast
able to hold within 20 seconds plus or
minus a few what's there given this is
unsmooth so 258 266 266 again proving
the powder max in gco and asia major are
friendly with each other and the thick
writer neo is a little bit lower
okay with the physical write experience
and the data analysis out of the way
let's jump into some pros and cons to
summarize my experience with the trainer
overall in the llama lab under the pros
it has a quiet operation it has a good
to excellent ride feel prompt gradient
changes in sim mode using titan's grove
on zwift with its rolling hills erg mode
set point holds very very well and i had
a good ride feel in ergo i wasn't
feeling fatigued having to push that
pedal stroke over that flywheel was
ticking along it was really really good
the sprint held the resistance very very
well up to 1200 watts it wasn't a
limiter my legs were which is usually
the case with those sprint tests on the
cons
power accuracy steady state and in
sprints just wasn't quite in the
ballpark that i'd like to see there was
no in-game calibration on zwift you have
to use their app for the calibration and
they recommend doing that i believe
every 30 hours or so the x5 neo didn't
know what to do with that sprint
accuracy either it either missed them or
overshot them so not a unit for the
serious sprinter no cadence data i think
cadence is a must these days on a train
of this level even lower level you
should have cadence reported rather than
have to use an external cadence sensor
erg mode does do that data smoothing so
we weren't seeing the real picture of
what i was doing we were seeing what i
told it to do
rather than what i was actually doing
some trainers have an option to turn
that on or off as discussed there was no
leveling for the feet on this so you
have to get creative if you have
flooring that's a little bit off and
there's also no sleep mode for the
lights so it is always disco other
trainers do have a sleep mode for their
lights so during inactivity of about 15
minutes they'll switch everything off
come back on again when you start
pedaling that's an upgrade that this
trainer does need those lights were very
very bright okay on to the summary and
to wrap this one up look overall it's a
great trainer that's let down a little
bit by that power accuracy if they could
factor in maybe a little bit of
drivetrain loss if that's what i'm
seeing that'll correct that and those
sprints they really need to be fixed
they were over and under but this is not
uncommon for a trainer at this price
point resistance is easy to do power is
as we've seen in many cases very very
hard to get right if you're going to be
purchasing this trainer i would go local
or go through a retailer who has your
back with after sale support should
anything go wrong and with that we'll
leave it there because i have another
delivery reaching the door right about
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