Ronin Blasts Through All-Time-High!🚀 INTERVIEW🔥 Sky Mavis
Summary
TLDRThe video discusses web3 gaming, focusing on the Ronin Network and Axie Infinity game. It analyzes Ronin's growth, including Pixelmon's migration from Polygon, and Sky Mavis's plans to open up Ronin for more developers in 2024. There is discussion around mobile gaming limitations, Axie's origins gameplay, and potential partnerships with Netflix and VR platforms. Overall, it aims to provide an in-depth look into Ronin and Axie's ecosystem, roadmap, and future in the evolving web3 gaming landscape.
Takeaways
- 😊 Ronin Network saw strong growth in daily active users after PixelMon migration
- 💡 Ronin plans to open up network for any developers to build games in 2024
- 😎 Axie Infinity still ranks #1 in key web3 gaming metrics like active community and marketplace volume
- 📱 Mobile integration remains a priority but challenges getting Axie fully on app stores
- 🔗 Interoperability with third party games still needs to be proven for Axie & Ronin
- 👾 Axie focusing on growing Axie-specific interconnected games before opening up IP partnerships
- 🌉 Ronin open to bridging with chains like Solana in future as it opens up network
- 💰Onboarding with fiat remains an issue with high fees, working on solutions
- 🎮 Sees future of web3 games as digital nations with gaming as core activity
- 📺Open to IP partnerships (e.g. Netflix) to expand distribution platforms
Q & A
What is the Ronin Network and how does it relate to Axie Infinity?
-The Ronin Network is an Ethereum sidechain developed by Sky Mavis specifically for Axie Infinity to provide faster transactions and lower gas fees. It allows Axie Infinity to scale while still benefiting from Ethereum's security.
Why did the game Pixels migrate from Polygon to the Ronin Network?
-Pixels migrated because the Ronin Network provided better support and attention from Sky Mavis, allowing Pixels to grow its user base from 10,000 to over 100,000 daily active users.
How does the Ronin Network compare to other gaming blockchains?
-While other gaming chains may have more games launching, Ronin has real mainstream traction with over 2 million monthly active users between Axie Infinity and Pixels. The user base makes Ronin undervalued.
What interoperability plans does Sky Mavis have for the Axie universe?
-Sky Mavis plans interoperability between different Axie games first before expanding to partnerships with major web2 IP. The goal is to make the Axie universe bigger before adding in external IPs.
What scaling solutions is Sky Mavis exploring for the Ronin Network?
-In Q1 2023, Sky Mavis plans to announce Ronin scaling solutions to support hundreds or thousands of games, including potential parallel EVM sidechains.
How will Sky Mavis monetize the Ronin Network?
-Sky Mavis will monetize Ronin similarly to MetaMask - through fees on wallet swaps and their NFT marketplace revenue whenever users interact with Ronin-based apps.
When will the Ronin Network be opened up to any developer?
-Sky Mavis plans to open up Ronin Network deployment to any developer in 2024, while still curating top teams in their Mavis Hub.
What is Sky Mavis's perspective on VR/AR gaming?
-Sky Mavis is not focused on VR/AR yet as the market is still nascent. They want to demonstrate real web3 benefits before adopting cutting edge technologies.
How does Sky Mavis plan to achieve mass onboarding to Ronin?
-Sky Mavis is using solutions like direct fiat onboarding through Binance to avoid high gas fees faced when buying crypto. They aim to be the place where billions first create crypto wallets.
What does Sky Mavis envision for the future of blockchain gaming?
-Sky Mavis believes future blockchain games will be digital nations with complex interconnected economies and jobs - entire worlds beyond just playing games and spending tokens.
Outlines
😀 Introducing web 3 gaming and the Ronin Network
The paragraph provides an introduction to web 3 gaming and the Ronin Network. It discusses Axi Infinity's performance being #1 on play-to-earn charts despite some criticism. It analyzes Ronin Network's market cap and transaction volume compared to Cardano. It also presents a checklist evaluating Ronin and Axi Infinity across various criteria like active community, CEO, visionary qualities, etc.
😃 Discussing the Pixel migration and Ronin's curated approach
The paragraph discusses the migration of Pixelverse from Polygon to the Ronin Network. It highlights Ronin's curated approach to work closely with only a select few games and influence their design decisions. It talks about the rationale behind bringing Pixelverse to Ronin - its strong core community and loop mechanics. The migration has led to massive growth in Pixelverse's daily active users.
😊 Ronin's roadmap for opening up and interoperability
The paragraph talks about Ronin's future roadmap. It plans to open up the network in 2024 so anyone can build on it. This requires scaling solutions which will be announced in Q1. It will transition to a model where Sky Mavis curates and works closely with selected games. The discussion also covers interoperability - connecting the Axi universe across different game types initially, before opening up to partnerships with major IP's.
🤔 Discussing Apple store issues and alternative onboarding
The paragraph discusses the difficulties of getting Axi on the Apple app store due to rigid policies. It highlights alternative tactics like Honeyland to get on the app store and extract the 30% fee. It talks about Axi's wallet supporting easy sign-up without email initially. The vision is to bring billions of first-time wallet users into the ecosystem.
😕 Analyzing blockchain game transaction fees
This section analyzes transaction fees - a key issue in blockchain gaming. Transferring on Ronin network is cheap at 0.0042 Ron. But fiat onboarding involves bank fees leading to higher overall costs. Solana's success stems from solving scaling and fees. Ronin is expected to announce scaling solutions in Q1 to support high transaction games.
🤩 Discussing guilds, social and distribution platforms
The paragraph discusses leveraging guilds and social interactions to build network effects and digital nations in games. Strong core gameplay is still vital. There are plans to partner with web 2 gaming studios to tap into Axi's IP and distribute across platforms like Netflix which can expand its reach.
🥳 Wrapping up with thoughts on VR/AR and closing remarks
The final section revisits VR/AR gaming given Meta's recent Quest 2 success. But the guest still feels more commercial success and personal motivation is needed for adoption. Support depends on consumer demand emerging through platforms reaching scale. The talk concludes with the guest reiterating Ronin's plans to open up its network and Axi's ambitions.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Web 3
💡Ronin Network
💡Interoperability
💡Onboarding
💡Mobile gaming
💡Metaverse
💡Play-to-earn model
💡Guilds
💡Scaling
💡NFTs
Highlights
Axie Infinity is still very active in the web 3 ecosystem with over 1.3 million ETH in total sales
The Ronin Network saw a 10x increase in daily active users after the Pixelmon migration from Polygon
Ronin Network is planning to open up deployment to anyone in 2024 along with scaling solutions
Sky Mavis aims to be the place where billions of people create their first crypto wallets through games like Axie Infinity
Axie Infinity has strong emotional connections and multi-generational IP potential
Honeyland found a way to bridge crypto payments on iOS while extracting Apple's 30% tax
Alex is not very bullish on VR/AR for games until there is more commercial success
Axie is focused on showing the real benefits of web3 before layering on more advanced tech like VR/AR
Axie aims to partner with web2 studios to use Axie IP in more games as a distribution platform
Alex sees future blockchain games as digital nations with core communities enabling more financial layers and jobs
Axie Infinity trailers and content are generating millions of views showing the strength of the IP
Low fees on Ronin make it advantageous compared to networks like Immutable X
Onboarding with fiat is still an industry-wide challenge with banking fees
Axie aims for interoperability between Axie-specific games before adding other IPs
Pixels migration brought attention and growth it deserved from Polygon to Ronin
Transcripts
[Music]
all right so let's take a little bit of
a deeper dive into web 3 and
specifically the Ronin Network and what
this means for games like axi infinti
but also maybe for the bigger strategy
that's happening around projects in the
web three land so we'll break it all
down for you my name is Paul bar I'll go
back into Tech path all right so a
couple of things I want to hit on just
to kind of give you guys a framework of
you know what happens in web 3 gaming
because it's a little bit of a a gaming
culture I'll go to you know our friend
stash he's been uh been hit pretty hard
here of course with the Rona community
and uh they're basically talking about a
couple of things with axi Infinity uh
he's probably mentioned axi five to six
times over three years in videos and
he's basically cling claiming axi is not
dead but it's you know the game is not
what he wants it to be however with that
being said if you look at the perform
performance of axi Infiniti they're
still number one number one on the play
to earn chart and if you look at their
social score let me kind of zoom in on
that right there I mean they're number
one by a long way so if you look at
their Marketplace also the marketplace
overall stats right now if you look at
the 30-day I mean you can kind of see
this volume at over 1.3 million in eth
total sales 220,000 axi sold still
around 200,000 so this game is still
very very active in the web 3 ecosystem
further into this one of the big things
that happened with axi of course was the
pixel migration pixel of course moving
over over from polygon into the Rona
Network that was a big win if you look
further into this on key metrics right
here just to give you guys an example
look at this rise this is 180 days and
this is active daily users past 180 and
you can kind of see this rise here sure
pixels definitely one of the viral games
and of course that being on the Rona
network is is part of that we're going
to get into this with uh our interview
today uh with the axi team as well I
want to go over to uh keko just to give
you guys an example also which this is
the thing Ronin is now at an all-time
high in terms of market cap if you look
at the volume on Ronin also very
impressive holding it around 10 million
uh not bad in terms of this period of
marketplace and if you compare this to
one of the top 10 tokens out there
cardano in the same period also in
September also hovering around 10
million so uh for the fact that Ronin is
uh doing this much in terms of
transaction this is a big deal this is a
big deal I think for web 3 but it's also
I think a big uh Initiative for what's
happening within gaming but the point is
we're trying to go through and do our uh
2023 and 24 uh web 3 and gaming
predictions one of the things that we do
is we build our research team builds our
checklist for all of these projects and
this is the checklist for Ronin and axi
and we look at it on these categories
active Community they've done it uh Mass
Appeal demographic they've done it self-
custy and top wallets not there just yet
crossplatform uh console mobile I I
would say that there there is some
attempt there but it's not fully uh
integrated across platform at this point
multi-game ecosystem definitely uh in
play nfts on major marketplaces that is
not available right now uh easy on
boarding this is another problem and I
I'll talk to Alex about this as we get
into it but not completely there we're
going to give them a chance to kind of
respond to this Innovative uh definitely
crater economy I think there would be uh
maybe an argument there as to whether
they have one or we think it's a little
bit weaker uh CEO absolutely Visionary
and adaptable uh and understands the
market and then you know
interoperability with third party games
I think that's a question mark that
still needs to be answered answered
we've done an illustration for you that
will make it very simple to understand I
think and it's what we call the wall
Garden versus the network effect now
these are the gaming ecosystems that we
think are are doing really well you got
Gala a wall Garden it's closed you've
got Ronin with pixels coming in that
starts to kind of open this up a bit
it's interesting and then uh things like
immutable X which also with beam coming
over from Avalanche also starting to get
interesting and then flow also wall
Garden but if you compare this out here
into the wallets uh that are out there
many of these uh struggle to get that
interoperability and then you look at
things like sandbox mocha verse all
those projects that you see down there
and then salana which seems to be
opening up a pretty much a small castle
for uh web 3 gaming obviously we saw
honey Landstar Atlas in there but the
interesting thing for salana because it
is an open network is the potential for
an evm Bridge which could happen through
neon so we've kind of covered that
that's a little in you know uh token
right there in the corner so it kind of
gives you a visual on what's happening
in the web 3 gaming space so I want to
invite in our guest today and of course
that's Alex coming over from Sky Mavis
joining our show today so let's just
jump over to to Alex hey Alex how are
you
man I'm great Paul thanks so happy to be
by yeah it's good the last time we had
you on I was looking at our YouTube
channel one year ago uh and of course we
were in the depths of the uh the bare
Market at that time and we've covered
axi over the years uh quite a bit we've
had you on a few times so we appreciate
you coming in to to talk about this I
want to go back to our checklist and
just get your opinion on this especially
in the uh crossplatform console mobile
side of things argue that with me for a
little bit where are you guys in terms
of uh mobile integration uh when you
consider these uh platforms like the the
Apple Stores of the world um you know
right now Origins is available on um on
Google Play but still not on the on the
app stores like fully uh so you know
there there is a little bit of a way to
go there but it's a priority for us axi
classic which has just been re-released
uh we're working on getting that on the
Apple Store uh which should be quite
exciting so there's a lot to to look
forward there but I would you know I
would say that you know axi being mobile
first should be uh should be counted as
you know at least a semi check mark
there okay all right we'll get the semi
check mark let's go into a little bit
about the pixels migration from polygon
why do you think that this occurred what
was the obviously you know with the team
that uh has integrated now within Ronin
what what was the I guess the mission
here you Rona network is still a curated
chain uh we are only working with a
select few parties in more of a
publisher type of relation relationship
so we can't actually work with hundreds
of differ of games and that is by Design
because we think that by focusing our
efforts on a couple of great Founders in
games we are able to influence their
design decisions and help them avoid
making the same mistakes that we did
with axi for example so that they can
succeed even more so we look for
experimentation and fast iterations and
we think that Luke uh from the pixels
team he has that in abundance so it was
a great fit there you know Je actually
met him in Japan um face Toof face for
an axi Meetup and I think they had a
great conversation uh which is kind of
what led our team to take a deeper look
and when we were observing pixels we
found that you know they had a core
Community they had some great Loops
already but we felt like they didn't
really get the attention they deserved
from polygon uh so they had about 10,000
daily actives and and after the Ronan
migration it went all the way up to
127,000 uh so you know what we call that
is the Ronan effect and we're very happy
and right now I think you showed
initially it's uh it's been growing
massively and you know we're very
excited about even the the the native
token launch there which is going to be
called pixels so a lot to look forward
for when it comes to pixels but at the
end of the day it really comes down to
the iterative approach that the team has
Farmland over from pixels this is still
writing on ethereum though within uh opy
how much of pixels is running on
Ronin so the land itself is going to be
migrated as well uh so this is the only
the ownership of the land is the only
thing that's not migrated right now the
rest of it is fully on R the network and
the land is going to be coming it's it's
uh you know some technical uh work left
to do there and also I think some
incentive designed to make sure that
people are actually uh migrating their
their pixels land over because whenever
you do cross chain bridges for nfts it's
it's a little bit tricky yeah well has a
lot of the DNA I think of uh axi
infinity in general you know obviously
that's migrated because of the fact that
you had so many players that were able
to adopt it so quickly so kudos to what
you've done there what about
interoperability I was looking at this
tweet right here mocha vers and pixels
online phase two now live but what about
interoperability with pixels is this
going to open up some opportunities for
you guys axi interoperability means an
interconnected Universe where axi you
know game characters are traveling
between axis specific type of games uh
and then eventually opening it up as
these uh as the technology gets stronger
and the IP gets stronger as well and
then you have a game like pixels which
is you of course pixelated it's much
easier for them to add different uh you
know utilities from other games so that
they can add uh all of these other let's
say uh nft for example collections so
that's another way of doing
interoperability I think uh you know
it's a good start but for axi we want to
make the the axi universe bigger with
different interoperable experiences
within that first before we start adding
new IPS especially kind of opening it up
fully I think we will do axi IP
partnership let's say with bigger
different like they said web web two IPS
uh and we're exploring that as well but
we haven't announced it yet okay all
right so in terms of the road map for
you know additional projects going I was
looking at your
ecosystem right here you've got
obviously axi um zoids Peron couple of
these many people will some will
recognize some may not
why would this not be I mean I'm looking
at beam or things that are happening
within Avalanche and salana I mean
there's a lot of building going over
there Alex why would we not see more
projects coming into Ronin especially
now that pixels is paved the way is this
mean that we're going to see a lot
more so it comes down to the curated
approach you we we get I would say tens
of application of games that want to
launch on Ronin every single day uh
right now we are carefully picking and
choosing the teams that should uh come
onto Ronin but it won't be like that
forever uh so this is a a small uh leak
here uh some of the Ronan community
members know this but a part of the road
map is actually opening Ronan up so that
anyone will be able to deploy on Ronin
so I'm very excited to do that hopefully
sometime in
2024 I think depending a little bit on
sorry that's going to be huge that'll be
big yeah to me that that that that's
something I'm very excited about and so
that that you know that has to come with
scaling Solutions as well so we actually
expect to announce our scaling plans in
q1 uh so that Ronin can start supporting
hundreds and if not thousands of games
and then you can uh think about uh you
know Sky Mavis and the Mavis Hub as the
main place where we will curate uh teams
so right now we're we are let's say we
are per permissioned in the sense that
nobody can deploy on Rona Network unless
they are working with us in the future
anyone will be able to deploy but if
they then get attention from the
community members that's when we will
pick them up and we will work even more
closely with them from the mavy
perspective and that's the the plan for
2024 okay so that that's uh that's a big
statement because that does put you guys
in the league of a lot of these other
chains that have kind of done that you
know in terms of drawing in developers
so the ability to deploy within the Rona
Network I I like that uh it'll be
interesting too because you guys do have
a bit of an edge in the marketplace in
terms of player Community I would say
still one of the strongest if not the
strongest we showed uh your sentiment
score there from play to earn still
number one by far you know in terms of
that so and I like the fact that you're
open this up opening this up to so many
new developers so that's a good scenario
yeah and I don't know like I think IMX
has maybe 2,200 or something like on
chain users is in a totally different
League of all of these other other uh
blockchain networks that are specified
for games and I think the
counterargument there is you know they
have a lot of different things in in the
pipeline but you know that is
meaningless if some of these teams can't
ship the only thing we care about is
data where are the users and our belief
is that if the users are using R the
network you know they should also
actually you know my belief was that
whatever product that I used when I was
kind of a djen back in the day I should
just buy those tokens because uh what
else should I be buying like that's the
thing that I use every day so it's a
very bullish thing I think for R the
network that we actually have of these
active players and I think it's actually
undervalued by the market right now um
and of course you know it's actually
hard to buy Ron as well you know because
it's not listed on binance or coinbase
and I think that that is the thing that
some people are missing but the fact
that you're opening up Ronin for
developers that's going to create I
think some very very good um economies
of scale because of the capability of of
growing and pixels has kind of already
proven that in terms of just how quickly
they've they've affected uh The Rona
Network's let's talk about Apple for a
second you guys rolled out a light
version of uh axi infinity on the Apple
Store and I understand why I mean you
know the issue with apple is still a
well-known issue there have been uh some
game devs we talked to the honeyland
team here just this week and they've
kind of got a unique way to kind of go
around the process of the App Store
still getting them you know they're
still extracting their 30% tax because
the iOS ecosystem definitely not going
away Mobile gaming definitely not going
away how do the two meet yeah so first
of all I loving what what hyand is doing
I think it's it's quite interesting to
to follow as a as a smaller uh actor in
the space I think they can be more
aggressive than than what we can be uh
whenever we try to ship something on the
App Stores you know we have if if not
the CEO himself looking at it definitely
feels like there's a lot of uh product
people looking at our releases uh so it
also limits a little bit of our
opportunities there so we've actually
taken a step back and what we've said is
that we have to be very aggressive on on
the web three side and really cater to
to the the the I guess I get people
involved through that and then it has to
come organically like the desire from
people to own their digital Assets in a
new way uh through these app stores and
and you know when they start demanding
it that's when the app stores are going
to change of course we're going to be a
part of it a part of the process uh just
like what epic games is doing right now
you know they're fighting Apple you know
we'll join the fight to make sure that
um apple is uh respecting people's
digital property rights which is
massively important in this day and age
I think uh you know at the end of the
day that's what we're fighting for here
and that's um what's what will you know
get people excited about the space uh
you know and when I'm looking out I I
saw your initial segment here when when
you we talk about crypto stash and you
know his opinion on axi and you know we
see this so much about people having you
know oh the game is not good actually
people love axi infinity even the
classic version version of the game you
know the the the the the rock paper
scissor type of gaml you know there's
critical strikes in there it's a lot of
excitement it has a strong emotional
connection in people's uh you know in
people's heart and I I don't think you
should underestimate that uh but you
know that is not to say that axi is
moving into an amazing place right now
because the quality of the IP is just
getting stronger and stronger and I
think you know you can probably put a
segment in here where where you maybe
show the trailer of the new uh you know
axi Infinity trailer that we released on
on a couple of days ago which has over
2.7 million views on Twitter you know
which I think explains the the or which
shows just where axi is going from a
quality perspective you know axi is
going to be a multi- uh you know
generational IP that's what I'm building
towards I think what the axi community
is getting annoyed at is you know we are
willfully sometimes being misrepresented
or you know they might look at some old
clips or you know they they might talk
about as some kind of poncy scheme and
you know it's just not it's just not
where we are at right now if you look at
some projects out there they've been
able to crack the code on how to get
onboarding done a good one example that
we've played and tested here in our own
research lab is honey honeyland
honeyland was able to kind of bridge
this we've seen the functionality
granted you're getting a 30% tax on
whether you're buying the hxd uh which
is the token that honeyland runs it's
basically the Ron token for them and um
you know the good thing is yes there is
a fee there they're backloading it with
some other benefits so there are some
interesting tactics that are being done
within the iOS ecosystem why not go that
route I mean because that seems like a
solution that could work for axi why not
go that route uh so for Roland the
Roland wallet actually uh we we released
the first version uh which had web3 o so
you could log in and create a user with
just a uh with just your email um and
now we're actually shipping an updated
version to that which is using MPC I
don't see any problem with actually
doing the the the the way that the
hondai land is doing it it's actually
just about how will the Apple stores
around the world accept it but you know
definitely the the flow that we're
heading into and and it is possible
today as well uh it's just not for axi
as an IP which is so big and you know
how is being seen by everyone you know
if we do try to ship some of these
features you know it won't be accepted
so that's why it's not in there
obviously uh with within salana there is
one anop network capacity for this what
about looking at an evm you know whether
it's using something like neon or others
of being able to kind of bridge into
other ecosystems with what you guys are
doing is there any potential for that I
think there's a lot of potential for for
this especially as we start opening on
and up you know we'll see more bridges
um you know I don't see any problem that
that people will be able to migrate from
Solana or even the other way like if
that's where they want to the end of the
day this is about owning your own stuff
right owning your your digital property
right so that mean that you should be
able to do what you want with it and you
know that's where we are headed like I I
I I like thinking about par parallel
chains or parallel evm chains as a as a
potential skating solution something
that I'm very interested in right now um
and because I think you know salana is
doing great things when it comes to
scaling and you know it's showing that
maybe ethereum can be uh can be
surpassed but you know I actually think
that the evm or the ethereum ecosystem
should be leaning into uh ecosystems
like Ronin even more because we're
actually going to be bringing in the
players and I'm looking like my vision
for Sky Mavis is to be the place where
billions of people create their first
wallets because we monetize through
wallets whenever they are in our wallets
similar to metamask when they click swap
that's when Sky Mavis makes our Revenue
when they use our Marketplace that's
where we we make our Revenue but even
the Rolland wallet down the line can
also be open up for other chains so that
people that come into the ecosystem to
to kind of play roning specific games
they you know maybe they will just have
the ronand wallet for life but at the
same time fees are going to always be
the the issue and I know that you know
even we've tested within Ronin wallets
where the fees are a little bit High uh
and if you look at what we've seen
within the eth ecosystem I think that's
why salana has been able to crack the
code here especially in some of these
games that have a lot of transactions
which I am it's clear that you are going
to have that with things like pixel and
obviously what you guys are doing in
terms of opening up the the Ronin
Network how are you combating the fee
situation literally just right now I
transferred one run uh and I think the
fee to transfer one r on Ron the network
is but it we did this this morning this
was a 10 USD Ronin Ronin transaction did
you you mean you bought it from someone
or you transferred on the Chain itself
on this this is a buy this is a no this
has to be a purchase I think yeah you
were buying Rong with USD right so
you're onboarding to the chain through
Fiat conversion right yeah I think that
is a a different matter because you are
integrating with Fiat on ramps uh right
so there is a there's a Fiat uh like
there's a fee there that these guys take
the banks and the the Fiat provider that
could be transac or ramp Network or
whichever else you're using but when you
transfer on Rona network from wallet to
wallet you know the just did a
transaction right now it's it's uh you
know in the sense like it's
0.0042 Rong so you okay so what but the
get but getting on boarding obviously
that's going to be a big challenge
because this is typically the way people
would be coming into the network if
they're brand new to the game yeah Ian
so they can on board directly through
binance for example uh but you know
binance the relationship is is quite
solid so that's another entry point uh
where the gas phas is very low uh but
you know at the end of the day it's it's
I think it's the same issue that
everyone has when they are onboarding
into this ecosystem right because you
have to pay the banking uh the banking
fee let's talk about social five for a
moment and we've had and looked at a
variety of different social five
platforms some of which have recently
gone you know a little bit a little bit
viral but at the same time they've also
recoiled not a lot of uh you know
transactions definitely not a lot of
user growth uh when you look at the web3
gaming space and I was on with the
morray guys not too long ago and they
they introduced us to this thing they
call guil Tech and what are your
thoughts on this of building these
guilds or these guilds having the
ability to build social interactions
with players to create you know kind of
almost like a hive effect in terms of
growth you kind you guys kind of had
that with guilds yeah in the beginning
with axi so you guys were the OG of this
so what are your thoughts about social
in the future I I think it's interesting
what they're what they're doing with
guil tech um you know at the end of the
day it has to to to stem from a quality
product many users of course interacting
with it um to me it's like another
Financial layer on top of it which
enables more jobs actually so when I
look at these digital like the the
blockchain games of the future I see
digital worlds uh right now there are
fre like smaller digital Nations and
when I say digital Nations I mean that
there are some things that people can do
right they can play the game they can
spend some tokens but you need to expand
the nation so that you have more things
to spend money on and that could be uh
you know let's say different type of
games or more things inside those games
like another feature right all of these
things help build out the nation make it
so that people have more money to spend
on more things to speculate on so the
network effects become stronger and to
me that's the future of blockchain games
and that's really when kind of you can
see all of these other uh more financial
layers uh come into play but you know we
need more I think we need a core
Community we need a core game uh and
then eventually you can start building
all of these features on top of it uh
which add more value to to the to the
nation so to say yeah for sure talking
about the expansion of uh networks and
the gaming ecosystems one of the ones
that we're watching right now is Netflix
Netflix is continuing to grow their
gaming ecosystem why not drop uh Origins
into you know the playable version into
something like a Netflix to where people
could at least kind of discover this and
and really kind of expand on the axi
universe of people wanting to learn how
to play it yeah I mean I think that's a
great idea and and something that we
actually get a lot of uh ideas from the
community to to add different
distribution platforms and we will do
that as well so actually what we are
exploring is is is partnering with
different web 2 Studios to use the
axip uh there are a couple of games that
are are kind of hidden out there uh that
I won't say the name of that we're
trying out you know we're seeing the
retention metrics you know we're seeing
how how does it work uh and I think
we're just uh yeah I think axi will have
so many different type of games because
the IP in itself is so strong and
colorful you know vibrant uh and we have
enough funds to kind of keep developing
it uh so you know we'll we'll keep
trying and then eventually you know
we'll keep Distributing the game in in
certain
uh Alex I want to hit on a couple of
things here before we cut cut out and
one of course is arvr and you and I had
an interesting conversation on this and
it was in our last video I want to play
a clip for you let's go to that clip
real quick and I'll play it for you
because when you think about Emerging
Markets this I think has been an
underperforming or underserved uh
segment of the globe for quite some time
how far before we see VR coming your way
probably the the VR world if it gets to
the point where it's as High Fidelity
and feels as normal as real life then
yes I think it's going to be great but
and then we might do something like that
in axi but I think for me I'm I'm not
the terrible Bull on on on the on VR for
now on the VR side are yeah well I look
at how far meta has come in one year so
I think this meta Quest 2 device it it
will tell us real quick if we have a
winner all right and of course meta has
told us and I was looking at the just
the data on uh What's Happening Here on
the on the app number one for this
holiday season and that's a big leap
forward in terms of arvr would you not
agree or what's your position on arvr
right
now uh I don't really think it's changed
I think we need to see more Commercial
Success it still hasn't bled into my
feed basically I don't think the benefit
is uh strong enough to to make me take
the next step yet and I might be like a
good person to to you know when I say
I'm bullish you know we're probably late
because of because I'm not so interested
in that Tech right now um so yeah maybe
that's a good touch Point obviously meta
has done a pretty good job with being
able to roll this out the likelihood is
apple with their Vision product is also
going to go in this direction I think
I've got a clip on this to show as well
let's cut to that clip real quick I want
to show you guys something here really
excited to announce that we now have
access to Vision OS poly special tools
that available in unity so you can build
an existing Unity application whether
it's a mobile game or a full 3D game and
Target the vision OS platform and this
will build in this kind of Window mode
you can move it around this is a bound
area and therefore it's a Shar space so
animations work materials all transfer
over you can also see how we're getting
some of the reflections from The Real
World which makes this look really cool
cool and if you move the windows around
you can also see how it's all integrated
into the vision OS really cool demo
where you can see that we are basically
scrolling through our environment but
we're not going beyond the extended area
of the bonding box so this is just a
really cool use case that I think we can
use a lot for games definitely some
leaps forward is this a potential for
web 3 games like what you guys are doing
at Sky Mavis in the future what are your
thoughts sure I mean so so to me it
actually depends on what the consumer
wants and you know when this Tech
actually becomes like when the platforms
are big enough so I would also say I I
doubt that you know they are looking at
doing blockchain stuff right now because
they have so much you know they're
trying to get into the mainstream with
their own products and I would say the
same thing is true for blockchain in
itself you know it's just another tool
in the toolbx but the tools need to be
better before we can and before we can
actually see the real benefits so so
that's what I'm focusing on for now how
can we show the real benefits of web 3
before we necessarily start using all
other fancy tools which you know also is
another multiplier on difficulty um and
and I think we've started to see some of
those mainstream things like let's say
the the Mario Kart arcade GP VR I guess
it was called to me that's actually
really cool that's kind of I want to see
more of that stuff and I want to see
them you know in the houses of my nieces
uh you know I want them to to wish for
you know I want that game because I want
to experience those new things that's
when you know that you know that there's
something special here hey Alex it's
always good to catch up with what you
guys are doing at Sky Mavis so thanks
for letting us know about the uh the new
information happening uh for 2024 that's
pretty cool that you guys are I'm
excited to uh excited to release more on
that stuff and a blog post uh of course
you there's a lot of our community which
is very excited about this and wants to
know the plan you know it's been in the
works for a long time when you look at
the Ron and road map but I think that
the General market you know is it's
sleeping a little bit on that so
hopefully this should be a nice surprise
uh you know and more stuff is coming too
when it comes to the axi economy and you
know we're always experimenting a you
keeps saying you know we're the ogs we
are we're not you know we're planning to
to to keep building in the space because
we believe that there's a massive
opportunity here you know we came to win
you know that's it you're not I think
we're proving that that's the attitude
to have man take no prisoners hey it was
good seeing you Alex thank you so much
for stopping in today we appreciate it
thanks for having me all right so maybe
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