Vatican releases new supernatural guidelines | Morning in America
Summary
TLDRIn this engaging discussion, Dr. Paul Thigpen, a historical theology expert and author of 'Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith,' addresses the Vatican's stance on extraterrestrial life. The conversation delves into the possibility of the Vatican's knowledge of alien existence, the 1933 UFO incident in Italy, and the church's handling of paranormal phenomena. Dr. Thigpen suggests that while some cases might fit a demonic profile, others could indicate genuine extraterrestrial intelligence. The dialogue also explores the challenges of proving apparitions to non-believers, emphasizing the need for thorough investigation and verification.
Takeaways
- 📚 Dr. Paul Thigpen, a historical theology expert and author, discusses the Vatican's stance on extraterrestrial life.
- 🌍 The conversation revolves around a 1933 UFO incident and the Vatican's potential knowledge of extraterrestrial existence.
- 🤔 Dr. Thigpen suggests that the Vatican's recent statements are likely about paranormal phenomena rather than confirming extraterrestrial life.
- 👽 He differentiates between phenomena that might fit a 'demonic profile' and other unexplained aerial phenomena (UAP).
- 🕊️ The possibility that some UAP could be genuine extraterrestrial intelligence or even angels is considered.
- 🔍 The Vatican is reportedly updating its protocols for handling cases of paranormal phenomena, which may include UAP.
- 🗓️ A historical account is mentioned where the Vatican was allegedly in possession of a UFO from 1933, kept secret until the end of World War II.
- 📜 Dr. Thigpen discusses the process of verifying apparitions and paranormal claims, emphasizing the importance of thorough investigation.
- 👁️ The Vatican's approach to such phenomena involves assessing the credibility of witnesses and the content of their claims.
- 🚫 Dr. Thigpen does not believe the Vatican is actively 'covering up' evidence of extraterrestrial life, but acknowledges historical secrecy.
- 💬 The dialogue highlights the complexity of proving paranormal phenomena to skeptics and the Vatican's cautious approach to such claims.
Q & A
What is the topic of the discussion in the provided transcript?
-The topic of the discussion revolves around the Vatican's stance on extraterrestrial life and the historical context of UFO sightings, particularly an incident in 1933 involving a UFO aircraft.
Who is Doctor Paul? What is his area of expertise?
-Doctor Paul is a guest on the show with a Ph.D. in Historical Theology and is the author of the best-selling book titled 'Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith.'
What is the significance of the 1933 UFO aircraft incident mentioned in the transcript?
-The 1933 incident is significant because it is the first recovery of a UFO in Europe, specifically in Magenta, Italy, which was moved to a secure air base and remained there until the end of the Fascist regime in 1944-1945.
What is the role of the Vatican in this discussion?
-The Vatican is discussed in relation to its potential knowledge and stance on the existence of extraterrestrial life, as well as its historical involvement in UFO incidents.
What is the Vatican's current position on extraterrestrial life according to the transcript?
-The Vatican's current position is not explicitly stated in the transcript, but it is suggested that they are updating protocols for handling cases of paranormal phenomena, which may include extraterrestrial life.
What is the connection between paranormal phenomena and the Vatican's updated protocols?
-The Vatican's updated protocols are suggested to be related to paranormal phenomena often associated with sightings of UFOs, such as apparitions of Jesus, the Virgin Mary, angels, or other saints.
What does Doctor Paul believe about the possibility of extraterrestrial intelligence?
-Doctor Paul believes that what we are encountering could be different things, including genuine extraterrestrial intelligence or species that are crypto here on Earth.
How does Doctor Paul differentiate between apparitions and extraterrestrial beings?
-Doctor Paul suggests that while some phenomena might fit a demonic profile, the majority of UFO sightings could be attributed to other things, possibly including extraterrestrial intelligence.
What is the process for verifying apparitions or paranormal phenomena according to the transcript?
-The process involves gathering evidence, determining the facts of what happened, looking into the background of the reporters, and ruling out hoaxes or medical or psychological issues.
What is the significance of the Vatican's historical involvement with UFO incidents?
-The historical involvement suggests that the Vatican has been aware of and possibly involved in the study and handling of UFO incidents, which could imply a deeper understanding or knowledge of extraterrestrial life.
What is the role of David in the discussion about the Vatican and UFOs?
-David is mentioned as having direct knowledge and possibly additional evidence regarding the Vatican's involvement with UFOs, suggesting that he has been researching and investigating this topic.
Outlines
👽 Vatican's Stance on Extraterrestrial Life and Paranormal Phenomena
In this segment, the host interviews Dr. Paul, an expert in historical theology and author of 'Extraterrestrial Intelligence and the Catholic Faith', about recent claims that the Vatican acknowledges the existence of extraterrestrial life. The discussion revolves around the Vatican's potential knowledge and handling of paranormal phenomena, including UFO sightings and apparitions. Dr. Paul suggests that while the Vatican may not explicitly confirm the existence of aliens, they are updating protocols to address such cases. He also addresses the possibility of extraterrestrial intelligence being mistaken for angels or other religious figures, and the challenges of verifying such claims to non-believers. The conversation hints at historical instances, such as the 1933 UFO recovery in Italy, and the Vatican's secretive approach to managing information about extraterrestrial life.
🕵️♂️ Investigating the Authenticity of Apparitions and UFO Sightings
The second paragraph delves into the process of verifying claims related to apparitions and UFO sightings. It discusses the methods used by officials to determine the facts, including investigating the background of the reporters and ruling out hoaxes or medical/psychological issues. The summary also touches on the criteria used by the Vatican to validate such phenomena, emphasizing the importance of verifiable information and the integrity of the reporters. The paragraph suggests that while the Vatican is cautious about confirming the existence of extraterrestrial life, it is actively researching and updating its findings on the subject.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Extraterrestrial Intelligence
💡Vatican
💡Paranormal Phenomena
💡Doctor Paul
💡Historical Theology
💡Apparition
💡UFO
💡Congressman
💡David Grusch
💡Pope Pius XII
💡Evidence
Highlights
Doctor Paul Think Penn, a historical theology expert, discusses extraterrestrial intelligence and the Catholic faith.
Congressman believes the Vatican knows extraterrestrial life exists and is confident about it.
Vatican's website focuses on operations and paranormal phenomena, possibly related to extraterrestrial life.
Doctor Penn suggests the Vatican's protocols might be updated to handle cases of paranormal phenomena.
Doctor Penn hasn't seen the Vatican's document but speculates it will focus on paranormal phenomena.
The Vatican is expected to address apparitions and sightings often associated with religious figures.
Doctor Penn differentiates between phenomena that fit a demonic profile and other types of unidentified aerial phenomena.
Discussion on the possibility of genuine extraterrestrial intelligence being different from angels.
Doctor Penn expresses curiosity about proving apparitions to non-believers.
Evidence gathering for apparitions includes background checks and ruling out hoaxes or medical/psychological issues.
The Vatican conducts research and verification on claims related to apparitions and religious figures.
David Grusch, a special correspondent, discusses the Vatican's possession of an aircraft from 1933.
The aircraft from 1933 was recovered in Italy and moved to a secure airbase.
Pope Pius XII had back-channel communications regarding the aircraft, suggesting a cover-up.
Doctor Penn does not use the term 'cover-up' but acknowledges the Vatican's historical circumstances.
David is working on additional evidence to support the claims about the Vatican and extraterrestrial life.
Transcripts
OVER A U F O AIRCRAFT TO THE
UNITED STATES BACK IN 1933.
JOINING ME NOW IS DOCTOR PAUL
THINK PENN WITH A PHD IN
HISTORICAL THEOLOGY AND AUTHOR
OF THE BEST-SELLING BOOK
TITLED EXTRATERRESTRIAL
INTELLIGENCE AND THE CATHOLIC
FAITH. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
GOOD MORNING THANK YOU FOR
HAVING ME. SAY YOU AND
ON NEWS NATION'S PODCAST
REALITY CHECK WITH ROSS COLD,
OF THAT PODCAST. THE
CONGRESSMAN SAID HE BELIEVED
THE VATICAN KNOWS THAT
EXTRATERRESTRIAL LIFE EXISTS.
HE WAS VERY CONFIDENT. I KNOW
YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS FOR
A VERY LONG TIME. WHAT DO YOU
MAKE OF WHAT THE VATICAN IS
SAYING. THIS MORNING.
LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, ONLY
REPORTING THAT IS GOING TO
IT'S AN ALIENS AND THEY DIDN'T
ATTRIBUTE THAT. TO THAT DATA
POINT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE
WEBSITE FOR IT. IT LIMITS
ITSELF TO TALKING ABOUT
OPERATIONS AND RELATED
PARANORMAL PHENOMENA. IT IS
SUPPOSED TO BE KIND OF AN
UPDATE OF PROTOCOLS OF THE
VATICAN HAD FOR HANDLING CASES
LIKE THAT. SO THEY ONLY
STARTED A FEW MINUTES AGO. YOU
TO HAVE IN THEIR LIVES RIGHT
NOW. SO I HAVEN'T REALLY HAD
THE CHANCE TO HEAR WHAT
THEY'VE SAID OR TO SEE THE
DOCUMENT ITSELF. MY GUESS IS
THAT UP? THAT WILL PROBABLY
NOT MEANT TO DO INSIDE
SURPRISED IF IT DID ALL THINGS
ARE POSSIBLE. BUT I THINK IT'S
GOING TO FOCUS ON OPERATIONS
AND THE KIND OF PARANORMAL
PHENOMENA THAT OFTEN THE
COMPANY AFTER IS SO I LIVE BY
FOR US WE NEED PEOPLE TO
PLAYING TO SEE JESUS OR THE
VIRGIN MARY OR ANGELS OR OTHER
SAINTS AND SOMETIMES TO TO
HEAR THINGS AS WELL.
SO IS THERE EVIDENCE OF
ANGELS AND ALIENS BEING 1 OF
THE SAME. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT
COULD BE TRUE, SIR.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE
ENCOUNTERING RIGHT UP STUDIES
IS IS PROBABLY DIFFERENT
THINGS NOW. THERE ARE FEW
THINGS THAT I SEEM TO FIT A
DEMONIC PROFILE. BUT I DON'T
THINK THE MAJORITY OF ADU
OTHERS, I SUPPOSE COULD BE IN
JAIL. EXCITING BUT I BUT I
THINK IT LIKELY THAT WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT SOME OTHER
THINGS, TOO. A GENUINE
EXTRATERRESTRIAL INTELLIGENCE.
INTELLIGENCE SPECIES THAT ARE
CRYPTO HERE ON EARTH. I THINK
IT COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS
MAYBE ANGELS ARE 1 OF THEM,
BUT WE'LL HAVE TO SEE.
TO THINK THAT I'M CURIOUS
HERE. HOW DO YOU PROVE AN
APPARITION ESPECIALLY TO YOU.
NON BELIEVERS OUT THERE.
WELL, IT'S REALLY HARD TO
PROVE TO NON-BELIEVERS IN SOME
WAYS, BUT THE KIND OF EVIDENCE
OFFICIALS WOULD GATHER. BUT
THE FIRST 2 TRYING TO
DETERMINE THE FACTS OF WHAT
HAPPED. YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY
REPORTS THAT THERE WAS A LIGHT
IN THE SKY, BUT OTHERS SEE
EVIDENCE OF THAT IS THE TRUTH
BEING TOLD THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
MAKING THE REPORTS THEY WANT
TO LOOK INTO THEIR BACKGROUND.
SOME I DO THIS AND BE COMPLETE
INTEGRITY. COULD THERE BE
MEDICAL OR PSYCHOLOGICAL
ISSUES THERE. SO TO TRY TO
RULE OUT THINGS LIKE LOOSE A
NATION OR EVEN HOAX.
COUNTERFEITING. THEY LOOK AT
THE CONTENT OF THAT TO YOU
KNOW, WHAT'S BEING SAID IF
SOMEONE CLAIMS, FOR MAKES A
CLAIM LIKE GOD AND SATAN OF
THE SAME BEING OR SOMETHING.
YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S
PROBABLY NOT AND ALSO JUST A
VERIFIABLE INFORMATION OF
SOMEBODY SAYS, OK, VIRGIN MARY
CAME TO ME AND SAID THAT ON
SUCH AND SUCH A DATE. THE
WORLD DIDN'T END. THAT'S
PRETTY GOOD EVIDENCE THAT IT
WASN'T. THEY'RE PEOPLE TO
MANY MORE OPERATIONS THAT THE
VATICAN WOULD SAY, NO. YOU
KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE AND THOSE
THAT IT WOULD APPROVE IS A
FEW. THEY DO THEIR RESEARCH
FOR SURE. AND LIKE YOU
MENTIONED, THE VATICAN IS
ACTUALLY MAKING DELETING THOSE
FINDINGS. RIGHT NOW. WE JUST
STARTED A FEW MINUTES AGO WITH
DAVID GRUSCH. SHE TOLD A NEWS
NATION. SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
ROSS COLD HEART. THE VATICAN
WAS IN POSSESSION OF A
AIRCRAFT.
FROM 1933 DO HAVE TIME TO
LISTEN GUYS. YEAH. HERE IT
1933. WAS THE FIRST
RECOVERY IN EUROPE IN A
MAGENTA ITALY. THEY RECOVERED
A PARTIALLY INTACT, A VEHICLE
TELLING GOVERNMENT MOVED IT
TO. SECURE AIR BASE IN ITALY
FOR THE REST OF KIND OF THE
FASCIST REGIME UNTIL 1944
1945. AND YOU KNOW, THE POPE
PIUS THE 12TH BACK CHANNEL
THAT SO COULD RESEMBLE. YEAH,
TOLD THE AMERICANS WITH THE
TIMES HAD WE ENDED UP SCOOPING
IT. SO LET ME BE VERY CLEAR
ABOUT THIS. YOU'LL SAYING THAT
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
EXISTENCE OF KNOWN HUMAN
INTELLIGENCE ON THIS PLANET.
CERTAINLY.
DOCTOR THINK PENN. YOU ALSO
SPOKE TO DAVID DIRECTLY ABOUT
THIS. DO YOU BELIEVE THE
VATICAN HAS BEEN COVERING UP
PROOF OF EXTRATERRESTRIAL
LIFE.
YEAH, I WOULD USE THE WORD
COVER UP HERE. YOU HAVE TO
THINK ABOUT THE HISTORICAL
CIRCUMSTANCES IF IT HAPPENED,
THAT IS NO ACA FOR SURE. BUT
CERTAINLY TAKE DAVID IS
WORKING BRUSH HE WAS GIVEN
THAT INFORMATION. HE HE ALSO,
AS YOU KNOW, SAID TO ME THAT.
CERTAIN DOCUMENTS PUBLISHED A
COUPLE OF DECADES AGO YOU ARE
ALLEGING THIS AND YOU LOOK AT
THOSE, HE SAY THEY DID NOT. SO
CONVINCING, BUT DAVIS SAYS HE
HAS FOR ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE.
HE'S NOT JUST DEPENDING ON
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