The Church is STILL Under Condemnation... and How to Get Out Of It!
Summary
TLDRThe transcript of a thought-provoking discussion on the role of the Book of Mormon within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is presented. The speakers delve into the perceived secondary purpose of the Book of Mormon, which they argue is to serve as a warning about societal collapse and the influence of secret combinations, or conspiracies, that have historically led to the downfall of civilizations. They emphasize the importance of not only recognizing the teachings about Jesus Christ but also heeding the warnings against pride, iniquity, and the dangers of complacency within the church. The conversation touches on modern societal issues such as the Federal Reserve, the military-industrial complex, and big pharma as potential manifestations of these secret combinations. The speakers also discuss the concept of the 'word of wisdom' in the context of resisting the corrupting influences of the last days and the need for individuals to actively expose and counteract these hidden forces of darkness. They conclude by highlighting the responsibility of church members to not only believe but also to act in accordance with the Book of Mormon's teachings, thereby lifting the condemnation they feel the church currently faces.
Takeaways
- 📜 The Book of Mormon serves a secondary purpose of warning against societal collapse and the influence of secret combinations, which is often overlooked by the church and its members.
- 💡 Members of the church are encouraged to not only believe in the teachings of the Book of Mormon but also to act consistently with them, bringing forth good works.
- 🕯️ The condemnation mentioned in Doctrine and Covenants section 84 can be lifted by repentance and remembering the New Covenant, which includes the Book of Mormon and the former commandments.
- ⚖️ The Word of Wisdom, as found in Doctrine and Covenants section 89, is not just about dietary laws but also serves as a warning against the evils and conspiracies of the last days.
- 🌟 The primary purpose of the Book of Mormon is to testify of Jesus Christ, while its secondary purpose is to serve as a warning manual against the deceptions and conspiracies that lead to societal downfall.
- 🔍 The church and its members are called to be vigilant and expose the hidden things of darkness, which includes being aware of and counteracting the influence of secret combinations.
- 🚨 There is a moral imperative to expose and counteract the influence of secret combinations, as emphasized by Joseph Smith in the Doctrine and Covenants.
- 🏛️ The modern church is criticized for not taking seriously enough the warnings and commandments given by God, particularly concerning the exposure and avoidance of secret combinations.
- 🌿 The story of the Nephites and Lamanites in the Book of Mormon provides examples of both failure and success in dealing with the influence of secret combinations.
- 📚 The book 'True Conspiracies' by Connor Boyak is endorsed as being relevant to the discussion of the importance of recognizing and countering secret combinations in society.
Q & A
What is the primary purpose of the Book of Mormon according to the speaker?
-The primary purpose of the Book of Mormon, as mentioned in the script, is to testify of Jesus Christ. It serves as another testament of Christ and emphasizes His teachings and visit to the Americas as detailed in the third book of Nephi.
What does the speaker perceive as the secondary purpose of the Book of Mormon?
-The speaker perceives the secondary purpose of the Book of Mormon to be a warning about the collapse of societies in the past, such as the Jaredites and Nephites, and the influence of secret combinations and corruption that led to their downfall.
What does the speaker suggest is the current state of the church regarding the Book of Mormon?
-The speaker suggests that the church, as an institution, and individuals within it are not taking the warnings of the Book of Mormon seriously enough. They believe the church is treating lightly the 'warning manual' aspect of the Book of Mormon and is under condemnation for this.
What is the reference to 'secret combinations' in the context of the discussion?
-The term 'secret combinations' refers to the corrupt and conspiring groups or societies that have historically led to the downfall of civilizations, as described in the Book of Mormon. The speaker argues that recognizing and countering these secret combinations is a crucial part of the church's role.
What does the speaker believe is one of the key issues contributing to the church being 'under condemnation'?
-The speaker believes that one of the key issues is the church's failure to recognize and act upon the warnings in the Book of Mormon about secret combinations and societal corruption. This inaction and lack of awareness are seen as contributing to the church's state of condemnation.
How does the speaker connect the idea of 'wearing out our lives' with the church's mission?
-The speaker interprets 'wearing out our lives' as a call to actively expose and confront the hidden things of darkness, which includes the secret combinations and societal corruptions. This involves being proactive in spreading truth and light, rather than passively accepting the status quo.
What does the speaker suggest is the role of individuals in the church regarding the 'hidden things of darkness'?
-The speaker suggests that individuals in the church have a moral imperative to become their own investigative reporters, exposing the hidden things of darkness. This includes being aware of and counteracting the influence of secret combinations and societal corruption.
What is the significance of the Doctrine and Covenants section 123 in the context of the discussion?
-Doctrine and Covenants section 123 is significant as it contains Joseph Smith's teachings about the importance of revealing the oppression and problems of society to the world. It is seen as a modern revelation that supports the idea that members of the church should be advocates for truth and light.
How does the speaker view the role of the Book of Mormon in the context of societal warnings?
-The speaker views the Book of Mormon as a critical tool for societal warnings, serving as a manual to alert believers about the dangers of secret combinations and societal corruption. It is seen as a guide on how to recognize and counteract these dangers.
What is the speaker's perspective on the importance of the 'word of wisdom' in relation to the 'secret combinations'?
-The speaker suggests that the 'word of wisdom', while commonly associated with health practices, also contains warnings about conspiring men and their designs in the last days. This is linked to the concept of secret combinations, indicating a broader interpretation of the 'word of wisdom'.
What historical example does the speaker provide to illustrate a society that successfully countered secret combinations?
-The speaker refers to the example in the Book of Mormon where the Lamanites proactively hunted and preached against the band of robbers (Gadianton robbers), leading to their destruction. This is contrasted with the Nephites, who were seduced by the robbers and failed to maintain their righteousness.
Outlines
📖 The Misunderstood Purpose of The Book of Mormon
The speaker discusses the perceived neglect of the secondary purpose of The Book of Mormon within the church community. He suggests that the book's warnings about societal implosion and secret combinations have been downplayed. The speaker references DNC 84, a revelation from 1832, to emphasize that the church has been under condemnation due to treating these warnings lightly. He argues for a more proactive approach in heeding and sharing these warnings to lift the condemnation and to live up to the commandments and revelations given by God.
🚨 Warnings from the Past: The Book of Mormon as a Society's Implosion Manual
The speaker delves deeper into the secondary purpose of The Book of Mormon as a warning about the downfall of societies as seen with the Jaredites and Nephites. He highlights the narrative of Satan's influence throughout the book and the importance of recognizing and countering these evil influences. The speaker also brings up DNC 123, where Joseph Smith emphasizes the duty to expose the secret combinations and hidden things of darkness as a moral imperative for the Saints.
🌍 The Church's Role in Modern Society: A Test of Faith and Action
The speaker discusses the challenges the church faces in modern society, including the threat of calamities and the presence of evil influences. He suggests that the church has a role in exposing these threats and deceptions, as warned in The Book of Mormon. The speaker also addresses the idea that the church may not always flourish and that its members must be vigilant and proactive in heeding and sharing the warnings to avoid susceptibility to evil influences.
🔍 Exposing the Hidden Things of Darkness: A Call to Action
The speaker emphasizes the need for the church and its members to actively expose the hidden things of darkness, as instructed in The Book of Mormon and modern revelations. He suggests that the church has been too passive in this regard and that a more investigative and proactive approach is needed. The speaker also discusses the importance of recognizing the signs of societal implosion and secret combinations, as warned in the scriptures, and the role of individuals in countering these threats.
📚 The Book of Mormon's Unique Warning on Secret Combinations
The speaker explores the concept of secret combinations as a unique warning in The Book of Mormon, not found in other standard works. He discusses the possibility that this warning may have been omitted from the Bible but is crucial for understanding the threats faced by societies. The speaker also highlights the importance of being vigilant and proactive in exposing these secret combinations to prevent societal downfall, as seen in both historical and modern contexts.
🌟 Success Through Faith: Overcoming Condemnation
The speaker discusses the importance of faith and action in overcoming condemnation, as seen in the example of the Gadianton robbers in the Book of Mormon. He contrasts their proactive approach in preaching the gospel and destroying evil with the Nephites' failure to resist the temptations of the secret combinations. The speaker emphasizes the need for a bold and undiluted approach to sharing the gospel and exposing the threats of evil in order to succeed and lift the condemnation.
📖 Promoting Truth: The Tuttle Twins Guide to True Conspiracies
The speaker concludes the discussion by promoting Connor Boyack's book, 'True Conspiracies', as a resource for understanding the hidden threats and secret combinations discussed throughout the conversation. He encourages listeners to engage with the book as part of their effort to expose darkness and share the light of truth, aligning with the moral imperative established by Joseph Smith.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Book of Mormon
💡Secret Combinations
💡Condemnation
💡Repentance
💡Commandments
💡Warning Manual
💡Mediocrity and Traditions
💡Idolatry
💡Investigative Reporters
💡Federal Reserve
💡Doctrine and Covenants
Highlights
The Book of Mormon's secondary purpose is to serve as a warning about societal implosion and the influence of Satan.
The church and its members are criticized for not taking the warnings in the Book of Mormon seriously enough.
DNC 84 from 1832 emphasizes the importance of repentance and remembering the New Covenant and the Book of Mormon.
The condemnation on the church can only be lifted when members act consistently with the teachings of the Book of Mormon.
The Book of Mormon is seen as having a dual purpose: testifying of Jesus Christ and warning about societal collapse.
Moroni's final record in the Book of Mormon warns of secret combinations and the need to awaken to the awful situation they present.
Joseph Smith's DNC 123 stresses the importance of exposing the secret combinations and the deceptions of men.
The Federal Reserve and the military-industrial complex are identified as modern examples of secret combinations.
The Word of Wisdom, as outlined in Doctrine and Covenants 89, is a warning against the conspiring men in the last days.
The Book of Mormon is considered a unique scripture that provides clear warnings about secret combinations not found in other scriptures.
The need for the church and its members to be more proactive in preaching the word of God and exposing darkness.
The contrast between the Lamanites who destroyed the band of robbers and the Nephites who were seduced by them, as an example of success and failure in dealing with secret combinations.
The importance of not just believing in the teachings of the Book of Mormon, but actively living by them to lift the condemnation.
The concept that the church may be under condemnation for treating lightly the warnings about secret combinations and societal collapse.
The idea that the Book of Mormon's warnings about secret combinations are a secondary purpose that is often overlooked in the church.
The call to action for church members to become their own investigative reporters, shining light on hidden things of darkness.
The discussion's conclusion with a plug for Connor Boyak's book 'True Conspiracies', which is seen as relevant to the conversation about secret combinations and societal warnings.
Transcripts
I think one of the major areas where we
as a church have gone off the rails and
and treated lightly The Book of Mormon
is what I perceived to be its secondary
purpose DNC says every man who's been
warned has to warn his neighbor we've
all been warned we've been given the
Book of Mormon its secondary purpose is
so we have to become a bunch of Alex
Jones conspiracy theist say the frogs
are turning gay spending money like I
just got paid $100 bills tell them keep
the change come as an institution the
church is not doing a good job and we as
individuals as a church are not doing a
good job Bott to make it rain let me
give you something Cate on at taking
very seriously these Commandments and
These Warnings that God has said if
you're wondering why I move the way I
do I just feel so good well given where
we're at yes we have a lot of repenting
to do we have a lot of iniquity that we
need to purge out of the church we have
a lot of mediocrity and traditions of
our fathers and idolatry and and
everything that we've just gotten
content with in the status quo thinking
well I still have my temple recommends
so I'm sufficiently righteous all the
while we're still under condemnation
we're treating lightly the things that
we
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I'm joined in the studio by Connor boak
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Institute writer of the Tuttle Twins and
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bro so anyway um the uh you said here in
your list of potential topics that the
church is under
condemnation what on Earth are you going
like Jacob isbel on us or what's going
on I'm I'm going Joseph Smith so so
here's uh DNC 84 this is where this
comes from it was a revelation Given In
1832 at Kirtland a lot of the elders
were coming back the missionaries were
coming back and uh and so Joseph gets
this Revelation which we now have in
section 84 so I'm I'm going to read just
a few verses starting uh in verse 54 I
think cardon's going to throw it up here
on screen got it so go to 54 and uh and
so he says your minds and times past
have been darkened because of unbelief
and because you have treated lightly the
things you have received keep in mind
this is 1832 they just barely organized
the church they've had the Book of
Mormon you know that they're early still
this is Kirtland a lot of the you know
navoo and like there's a lot of
Revelations that what was treating
lightly were they like not reading their
scriptures enough every day what do you
think it was let's let's dig into that
after we read the the next few verses so
he says uh you've treated lightly the
things that you've received which vanity
and unbelief have brought the whole
church under condemnation and this
condemnation resteth upon the children
of Zion even all and they shall remain
under this condemnation until they
repent and remember the New Covenant
even the Book of Mormon and the former
Commandments which I've given them not
only to this is important not only to
say but to do according to that which I
have written in other words bringing
fruit bringing forth fruit meat for your
father's Kingdom right you have to have
the works you have to show that you're
listening to the stuff so here's my
Connor's interpretation when it says
that they've treated lightly the things
that they've received that they have to
uh that they're condemned because of it
and that they're only going to lift that
condemnation when they have started
acting not just saying we believe these
things or we we like this right but but
acting consistent with what the Book of
Mormon says so that's kind of how this
all ends up I think what it's talking
about among I'm sure other things like
Pride I mean Ezra tap Benson has that
great you know beware of Pride there's a
lot of uh insightful lessons that we can
draw from The Book of Mormon on on
issues of Pride to me the Book of Mormon
has two purposes the first is to testify
of Jesus Christ we talk of Christ we
preach of Christ that our sons may know
etc etc or our children may know
um and we all know sorry you were going
to say something you were I was just
going to finish it so they know unto
what font they can Turf the remission
maybe people unfamiliar with the
scripture would just be
like and all the Scripture Mastery
Seminary kids are like oh yeah I know
how that end seriously so um we all know
that the Book of Mormon exists to
testify of Christ it is another
Testament of Christ The Pinnacle of the
Book of Mormon is third Nephi 11 Christ
comes to the Americas we we all know
that that is the purpose of the book
ofor I don't think anyone's treating
lightly the fact that it talks about
Jesus and that Jesus has some additional
teachings I think we generally do pretty
well uh as it pertains to the primary
purpose of the Book of Mormon I think
one of the major areas where we as a
church have gone off the rails and and
treated lightly The Book of Mormon is
what I perceive to be its secondary
purpose and that is to warn us about how
God's children in times past their
societies have imploded we're talking
about the jaredites and the Nephites
you've got Moroni at the end who's who's
compiling the final record and and he he
literally says in ether 8 the Lord
commands you when you see these type of
secret combinations and all these
corrupt people and all these matchin
naations and and laws of wickedness and
everything when you see these things
among you the Lord commands you to
awaken to your awful situation and
ensure that these secret combinations
don't get above you right otherwise then
you know woe unto everybody cuz uh it's
all awful so that's ether 8 and
permeated throughout the Book of Mormon
is this Narrative of how Satan operates
how he kind of Whispers The Sweet
Nothings how he gets people to be
seduced to partake in the The Spoils of
the secret combination the master Mayhem
the fact that you can kill and and get
power and wealth uh right starting with
with Cain uh slaying Abel and all the
way down all throughout the Book of
Mormon it talks about these secrets
being buried in the ground and then no
we got to leave them there we don't want
to talk about and then lo and behold oh
you know now this this Gad Anon group
over here has dug up those records or
Satan has given them the same kind of
teachings that that they gave before the
book of [ __ ] is full of this stuff and
and and I'll I'll give one final point
and then I'd love to get your reaction
to this Cardon so this this comes from
DNC 123 okay this was uh Joseph is at
Liberty Jael and uh this is part of the
the epistle or the letter that he wrote
so this is 1839
and he's talking throughout DNC 123
about the importance of telling the
world about this oppression and all the
problems that we have he says it's an
imperative Duty that we we owe right
under that we may not only publish to
all the world but present them to the
heads of government and all the dark and
hellish Hue yes as the last effort which
is enjoined on us by our heavenly father
before he can fully and completely claim
that promise which shall uh call him
forth from his hiding place oh wow so go
to the middle middle of verse seven
we've been under the most damning hand
of murder tyranny oppression which has
been supported and urged and upheld by
the influence of that Spirit which has
so strongly riveted the Creeds of the
fathers who have inherited lies blah
blah blah he's talking about Satan okay
so then he gets to uh let's see let's
fast forward verse 12 is the one we're
all familiar with for there are many yet
on the earth among all sects parties and
denominations who are blinded by the
subtle craftiness of men whereby they
lie and wait to deceive and who are only
kept from the truth because they know
not where to find it we all know that
scripture that's oh that's why we need
missionary work right we got to go
preach the gospel because otherwise
people don't know where to find it and
that's totally true I don't want to
diminish that interpretation but we skip
over verse 13 often in the church the
very next verse therefore that we should
waste and wear out our lives in bringing
to light all the hidden things of
Darkness wherein we know them and they
are truly manifest from heaven and then
he goes on to say these things need to
be attended to with great earnestness
there are many things in the the future
that are going to matter to the Saints
so it says in uh in verse 15 let no man
count these things as as small things
for there is much which lith in Futurity
in the future pertaining to the Saints
which depends on these things Joseph is
saying we have to
expose in the 1830s or whenever this was
18 1839 we need to expose the secret
combinations of our day yeah what does
it mean to wear out our lives in
bringing to light all the hidden things
of Darkness where in we know them Y and
they are truly so so what is wearing out
our lives and bringing to light all the
hidden things of Darkness like we all
have to become investigative reporters
and like every man DNC says every man
who's been warned has to warn his
neighbor we've all been warned we've
been given the Book of Mormon its
secondary purpose is so we have to
become a bunch of Alex Jones conspiracy
theorist the frogs are turning gay you
know what I'm saying Bohemian Grove and
you can talk about all the weird
Illuminati stuff but but but you know
Gest about it but literally God has said
this is how these two societies have
failed you have this modern society
there's a lot of inspiration a lot of
Revelation the church has been restored
and so forth but there's no guarantee
that the church is going to Forever
flourish and continue to grow there are
tears growing Amongst the Wheat there
are like elsewhere in the DNC it talks
about how when the calamities of the
last days are going to start it says
upon my house shall it begin and from my
house shall it go forth so we have been
given as latterday Saints This Modern
revelation this additional scripture
that says yes here's all the teachings
on Jesus and how glorious that is and
how amazing that is it's it's totally
awesome definitely the primary purpose
of the Book of Mormon but this book has
this massive message this secondary
purpose of this warning manual to say be
aware of what it talked about in section
123 the the deceptions of men they W
they lie and wait to deceive there are
people that the adversary is working
through and if you don't know how to
recognize their their their evil
influences and counteract them and
thwart them and and get around them to
still you know go do what you need to do
you're going to be susceptible to them
that they're going to gain victory over
you right you're not going to be able to
progress as much as you ought to if you
heeded the warnings and then were able
to to get around them and so I think
when it talks about in 84 that we're
under condemnation because we've treated
lightly these things as I look in our
church I don't see anyone treating
lightly the fact that the Book of Mormon
teaches about Jesus you know those are
all the vers pay ATT
I think what we treat lightly is the
warning manual aspect of the Book of
Mormon that that [ __ ] is literally
shouting at us in the final pages to say
God has commanded you about this thing
you need to be aware you need to be
engaged then we have Joseph uh as you
pointed out in in 123 right saying we
need to uh bring to light these hidden
things of Darkness we need to be our own
investigative reporters um but but if we
if we don't heed the warning namely The
Book of Mormon then we're we're not
going to warn our neighbor we're not
going to play our role every man who's
been warn has to warn his neighbor we're
not going to do our part to go warn
other people and to bring to light these
hidden things of Darkness if we
ourselves are kind of like you know I
I'm not looking I'm not hearing I I'm
just going to focus on the positive
stuff and the happy Jesus stuff like
that's important I'm I'm not trying to
like discount that but but there's this
Duality I see to the Book of Mormon and
I see so many in our church that just
ignore that secondary purpose so I think
what does it mean to to um get out from
under Nation if we as a church recognize
that second portion if we awoke to our
awful situation like moronai says if we
Expos and brought to light the hidden
things of Darkness I think the Lord
would see that as okay finally they're
they're fully utilizing the Book of
Mormon um not just to say but to do
according to that which is written they
are now exposing they are now shining a
light they are now uh standing for truth
in a world filled filled with lies
that's where I think we can start to try
and lift the condemnation okay so I'm
totally smelling what you're stepping in
I'm vibing with you I'm feeling it for
lack of a better term but here's my
question if somebody stuck a gun to your
head and just said right now name the
one hidden thing that needs to be
brought to light name the one secret
combination that needs to be exposed
name the the hidden thing of Darkness
that needs to be
manifest uh so you could fulfill the
that second role of the Book of Mormon
what's the number one thing that you
think isn't getting manifested F enough
isn't getting exposed enough isn't
getting brought to light what's that one
dark thing that if somebody put a gun to
your head you would say this is the dark
thing I need to
expose loaded question okay so uh I
would point to a few things that we
could unpack it a later date I would say
the Federal Reserve and our monetary
system that affects uh all families and
and degrees you have to move your laptop
so we can see your fingers going you
know what saying number one number two
so you know I think the Federal Reserve
is
um and the corruption of our monetary
Supply it's literally robbing people and
empowering the the wealthy Elite at
everyone everyone else's expense I think
the military-industrial complex uh is a
huge one here uh these are conspiring
people who are trying to uh enrich and
gain power and if I'll just allude to a
certain part of the the temple ceremony
that talks about uh the power that comes
from commanding uh militaries and and
taking wealth from people okay solid
reference solid reference yeah if you if
you pick up what I'm what I'm droing in
there and so I think the military--
industrial complex which president
Kimbell rightly called out in the 70s as
being gods of stone and steel that we
the false gods we worship is what he
called them and so I think that's that's
a big part of it um I think big Pharma
uh the fact that we lean on the arm of
Flesh uh rather than you know prayer and
priesthood and uh natural things God has
given us we we seek uh this kind of uh
fleshy there's a lot of corruption in
big Pharma and our food and all kinds of
stuff uh certainly uh we you can go into
media and Hollywood and the messages
that are being pushed and there's so
many outlets that this goes through and
it's not that like there's this Global
conspiracy where like four men in a room
the pentaverate right are all sitting
down and they're kind of don't even know
what that means but it sounds cool oh
it's from So I Married an ex murder
where they're talking it's a fun little
silly it's not that owl up in that Grove
in the middle that's Bohemian Grove and
The Cremation of care that's uh anyways
there's there's so many uh tangents we
could go on
but uh so it is a moral imperative
established by Joseph Smith in the
Doctrine and Covenants that we have a
conspiracy theory channel that is now
now now sanctioned by God you know what
saying but think of it this way we talk
about the word of wisdom all the time
it's this benign common thing it's you
know okay don't smoke don't drink which
I submit to you that like we totally
misinterpret the word of wisdom we only
focus on these uh thou Shel knots and uh
very true and then the modern
interpretation of them that somehow we
read coffee into hot drinks when it
meant something different at the time
but we don't look at the thou shelts and
all the other things that we're
commanded to do but here's something
that when I talk to people about the
word of wisdom they have no clue this is
even in there because when I'm prophit I
will measure your BMI and take away your
temple recommend based thereon okay good
to
know no no Mountain Dews for you you're
consuming too much sugar okay so here's
verse four this is section 89 verse four
you don't need to pull it up I'll just
read a really quick portion it says
verily thus sayith the Lord unto you in
consequence of evils and Designs which
do and will exist in the hearts of
conspiring men in the last days I have
warned you and forwarn you by giving
unto you this word of wisdom by
Revelation the whole context of the word
of wisdom is that there would be evils
and designs and conspiring men in the
last days and we don't even pay
attention to that part it's just like oh
sorry I I can't you know drink wine
because we have the word of wisdom but
we don't have this context for there are
people out there trying to control our
minds subjugate us undermine our agency
and they do reduce our Effectiveness our
ability to right right so so that's it I
I feel like uh few of us in the church
talk about this we've been under
condemnation it's never been lifted I
think it was Benson or someone few
decades ago said hey this has never been
lifted this is still issue which I think
in part is why Benson was trying to
flood the Earth with the Book of Mormon
if you remember that he he went through
this big vent of really trying to get
the the the membership to well do you
think it's something we can never get
off our backs here because I mean if
Benson flooding the world with the Book
of Mormon couldn't get it off our backs
well I think we can do I think it's a a
very difficult uphill battle given where
we're at yes we have a lot of repenting
to do we have a lot of iniquity that we
need to purge out of the church we have
a lot of mediocrity and traditions of
our fathers and idolatry and and
everything that we've just gotten
content with in the status quo thinking
well I still have my temple recommends
so I'm sufficiently righteous all the
while we're still under condemnation
we're treating lightly the things that
we've received we're not qualifying
ourselves for additional things like the
sealed portion of the Book of Mormon or
so many other Hidden Mysteries and
ministering of angels and Revelations
and things that God is literally sitting
there saying hey there's all this other
stuff out there for you like I'm waiting
but you have to qualify yourself for it
and not only are you not qualifying
yourself you've treated lightly the
things that you've received you're still
down here and you need to start working
your way the number one thing you think
we treat lightly I think it's what I
said I think it's it's the the warning
the secret combinations the fact that
that's like uh like verboten in in the
church to even talk about like even in
church manuals uh gospel Doctrine
manuals in years past uh including come
follow me ether 8 that that section I
the scripture I read where morona is
saying awaken to the awful situation be
aware God commands you to do these
things when you look at the church's
manuals they completely gloss over it
they deemphasize it so I think even as
an institution the church is not doing a
good job and we as individuals as a
church are not doing a good job I think
at taking very seriously these
Commandments and These Warnings that God
has said and through Moroni like hey
look I've showed you what happened to
these two societies now it's time for
you to to what's that quote we all know
those who don't learn from the uh the
past are condemned to repeat it and so
if we don't learn from the ger jaredites
and the Nephites and avoid the same fate
we're going to bef you know it's that
same fate is going to befall us so I
there's other answers I'm not saying
this is like uh in in totality the
answer of how we treat lightly The Book
of Mormon but again I feel like we all
focus on the Jesus stuff no one's
treating that part lightly as I think
about what is the glaring issue the the
number one problem uh of treating it
lightly I think it's that so you know
how sometimes we talk about small and
plain and precious truths having been
omitted from The Stick of Judah yeah as
uh all of the uh the prophecies foretold
I find it so interesting that there's
this word secret combinations that does
show up and and and pervades the second
half of the Book of Mormon and really is
the subject of all of all the warnings
that you say the Book of Mormon fulfills
as like a a secondary function do you
are there secret combinations in the
Bible that you can think of in the
standard works I mean there's none in
the doctrine covenants it's not like
they say like you know like I don't know
the CIA would do MK Ultra in the middle
of the doctrine and Covenant or
something you know assassinating JFK you
know yeah that stuff but like it it do
you think that that was a plain and
precious truth removed from the Bible or
do you think that that's a unique
message in the Book of Mormon the
warning of secret combinations and so on
and so forth uh have you just never
thought about the fact that maybe the
Stick of Judah doesn't you know contain
those warnings has that been even on
your radar or what yeah I've wondered
about that in the past I I feel like the
Book of Revelation is itself a warning
of secret combinations to a certain
degree just just the kind of global
political match naations of uh of
different countries Waring against one
another in the latter days so I think
you could say there's an element there
where some of that involves this type of
uh gadianton esque you know corruption
and and
conspiracy uh but I've wondered yeah is
it is it that this stuff was in here but
the adversary wanted to Omit that
because the best thing that he can do is
convince us that the devil doesn't exist
right and Whisper that in our ears right
uh for there is no devil right and and
and that is like an effective strategy
but I don't know I don't know if it was
in there and omitted um but what I do
know is is you know God be thanked we
have this additional scripture that's
very clear on the matter and uh and then
it's backed up by the doctrine of
Covenant say Hey you know be anxiously
engaged in a good cause uh you're a
slothful servant if you're waiting to be
told go Wast and wear out your life
bringing to light H things of Darkness
there's there's references in modern
revelation that support this idea that
we do need to be kind of an evangelist
and advocate for truth and light now
last question uh because we only got you
know another 90 seconds here uh is there
an example of a society in history that
did this well like we have examples
biblical examples of people that didn't
live up to the Commandments of God There
Was You Know famously the Israelites
wandering in the wilderness for 40 years
there's uh the gadan robbers and the
lonit in in the Book of Mormon when they
were misbehaving and not being the good
lamanites and so on and so forth however
is there a society that you could point
to that says okay these people lifted
this condemnation that you speak of
through their good behavior so I would
actually point you to Helman 6 where it
talks about the Gadi antin and it
contrasts the uh the lamanites and the
the Nephites so this is Helman 6 vers 37
and
38 um and so I'll give you a second to
get no I'm there I'm here man all right
so it says and it came to pass that the
Layman did hunt the band of robbers so
very proactively they're not reacting
proactively hunting them and they did
preach the word of God Among the more
wicked part of them in so much that this
band of robbers was utterly destroyed so
they proactively preach the gospel
directly into in the name of God I
command you to hunt your theological and
philosophical enemies thus sayth the
Lord that's the scripture we're lacking
huh but then but then verse 38 check
this out this is the the polar opposite
with the Nephites the the chosen people
God's you know chosen Sons or whatever
verse 38 on the other hand the Nephites
did build them up and support them
beginning at the more wicked part of
them until they had overspread all the
land of the Nephites and had seduced the
more part of the righteous seduced them
until they had come down to believe in
their works and partake of their spoils
and to join with them in their secret
murders combination so the Nephites were
seduced by and tempted uh by the the
spoils the benefits the perks hey look
at the power look at the money look at
the prestige look at all these things
that you can get if you unite yourself
with us and and the Nephites uh were
tempted and they failed so that to me as
you ask about where's a society that has
succeeded that's the first one that
comes to mind is that that that's the
power of preaching the word of God but
it requires us to do that undiluted
boldly um and really speaking Truth uh
spreading light in in darkness rather
than kind of meekly cowering and and
avoiding and treating lightly the ideas
that we tend to do in the modern Church
wow this is incredible now as an outro I
looked down and I thought you know
Connor boak is a prolific author of
children's books famously you wrote the
Tuttle twins for everybody that
homeschools their kids at home you've
written a lot of um really cool stuff
you you're the director of The libertas
Institute a Libertarian think tank that
does all kinds of lobbying and so on and
so forth um so I wanted to Pub something
on behalf of you or one of your
organizations and guess what the first
book that was on the top of my pile was
uh okay true
conspiracies I can't think of a book
more more Germaine to the conversation
to publicize now than the Tuttle twins
guide to True conspiracies by Connor
boyak I didn't start this podcast
thinking that I would publicize a book
but now I'm ending sorry not this
podcast this radio program
uh but now I'm ending this radio program
uh pubbing your book true conspiracies
haven't finish reading it yet even I've
only gotten through the preface all
right but it is getting fully endorsed
just by the nature of uh of this past
half hour so just trying to do my part
wasting and wearing out my own life to
do this stuff we got we got to talk
about it this is awesome so anyway uh
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