Rio Talks Marcus Rashford Nightclub Saga!
Summary
TLDRThe hosts discuss the recent disciplinary issues at Manchester United, focusing on Marcus Rashford being spotted out the night before missing training. They debate whether Rashford deserves more leniency than other players based on last season's performance. Overall, they feel there are too many off-field distractions at United impacting results, questioning the professionalism and culture at the club. The manager is trying to address it but faces many challenges managing all the personalities.
Takeaways
- 😕 There are discipline issues with Marcus Rashford and other players at Manchester United
- 😡 Rashford was allegedly spotted out in Belfast before calling in sick the next day
- 😠 Ten Hag seems unhappy with Rashford's behavior and is dealing with it privately
- 😤 United's culture allows players to act unprofessionally without repercussions
- 😐 Experienced players like Rashford should lead by example as role models
- 🤔 Ten Hag may be handling Rashford differently than Sancho due to Rashford's past contributions
- 😑 Constant issues with players are distracting Ten Hag from focusing on football
- 😫 Ten Hag has to deal with drama and egos at United more than other clubs
- 😩 United players lack professionalism, ruthlessness and a winning mentality
- 😞 Ten Hag can't trust United players to avoid negative headlines and focus on football
Q & A
What happened with Marcus Rashford recently that caused issues at Manchester United?
-Marcus Rashford was spotted out at a club in Belfast on Wednesday or Thursday night before a training session on Friday that he missed due to illness. This caused issues because it looked like improper preparation before an important training session.
How did Erik ten Hag respond when asked about Rashford's situation?
-Ten Hag responded in a vague way, saying he would deal with it internally and not providing much detail. This suggested he was not happy with Rashford's actions.
How should Rashford be behaving as one of the senior players on the team?
-As a senior player, Rashford should be setting an example and focusing fully on training and performing well on the pitch. He should not be missing training sessions or putting himself in positions where his preparation could suffer.
What kind of environment did Rio Ferdinand describe when he was at Manchester United?
-Rio described an environment with strong standards and culture, where players were careful about their preparation and public image even if they sometimes went out. The manager knew what was happening but it was kept internal.
Why might Ten Hag be handling Rashford differently than Jadon Sancho?
-Rashford was Manchester United's top scorer last season while Sancho has struggled more. Ten Hag may be trying to keep Rashford happy and get the best out of him on the pitch.
How does Rio Ferdinand describe the current Manchester United players?
-Rio called them "bellends" - immature and unprofessional. He said they are not serious, ruthless winners and Ten Hag cannot trust them to stay focused on football.
What does Rio say Manchester United has more of than other clubs?
-Rio said Manchester United has more statements and headlines than points - implying they have many off-field issues and controversies that distract from on-field performance.
How does Rio think Ten Hag is handling the player issues?
-Rio thinks Ten Hag has been quite solid - he is not letting players get away with unprofessionalism and is being consistent in his handling of different issues.
What does Cristiano Ronaldo think about the Manchester United players?
-Cristiano Ronaldo has indicated the Manchester United players lack seriousness and are unprofessional - saying "that lot are not serious".
How much time does Rio estimate Ten Hag spends dealing with player issues?
-Rio estimates Ten Hag probably spends 4 or 5 days a week with his head on his desk dealing with player issues rather than focusing on football.
Outlines
🎙️ Behind the Scenes at Manchester United
The script delves into the recent controversies surrounding Manchester United, focusing on Marcus Rashford's alleged appearance in Belfast, his illness, and the subsequent missed training session. The dialogue scrutinizes United's handling of player discipline, particularly under the lens of Rashford's actions, contrasting it with the club's historical standards. It discusses the implications of player behavior on team dynamics, the potential lack of managerial control, and the broader issues of discipline within the squad. The conversation also touches upon the impact of social media and the need for players to maintain professionalism to support the team's success.
🔍 Leadership and Culture at United
This segment explores the leadership void and cultural dilution at Manchester United, emphasizing the importance of senior players like Marcus Rashford and Luke Shaw stepping up. It reflects on how past players managed their public appearances and commitments, especially after defeats, to maintain professionalism. The discussion contrasts current practices with the stringent, disciplined culture of previous eras, highlighting the need for a strong, consistent leadership to navigate the club through turbulent times. It also addresses the differential treatment of players by management, suggesting that individual circumstances might necessitate varied responses.
🤔 The Managerial Quandary
Focusing on the managerial challenges at Manchester United, this section critiques the public handling of player issues by the coach, including the varied responses to different players' actions off the field. It discusses the strain these incidents place on the club's image and the manager's role in maintaining discipline while fostering a positive team environment. The narrative questions the effectiveness of the management's strategies in dealing with high-profile players and the consistency of their disciplinary measures. It concludes by pondering the manager's potential feelings of frustration and distrust towards players, exacerbated by the constant media spotlight on the club's internal issues.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡discipline
💡culture
💡leadership
💡distractions
💡standards
💡mindset
💡consistency
💡accountability
💡professionalism
💡trust
Highlights
Marcus Rashford was allegedly spotted out in Belfast on Wednesday or Thursday night before calling in sick on Friday
Rashford's actions raise questions about his professionalism and preparation given Man United's poor form and the competition he faces for a starting spot
As one of Man United's most senior players, Rashford has a duty to set an example and avoid unnecessary distractions
In the past, Man United players like Giggs and Scholes knew to simplify their routines and avoid commercial engagements after bad losses
Now with camera phones everywhere, players must be even more careful about their off-field behavior getting attention
Rashford should be leading by example as one of the most senior players, but the club lacks an established culture that players must adhere to
We shouldn't have to be discussing so many non-football issues at a club like Manchester United week after week
No other top clubs seem to have the constant distractions and drama that United does
Ten Hag has dealt reasonably well with disciplinary issues, not letting players get away with things
Ronaldo called out the United players for not being serious enough
When you review the squad makeup, the word is "bellends" - they are not professional, ruthless, consistent winners
We have more statements and apologies from United than points on the table - it's unreal
Ten Hag likely spends a good amount of time with his head on his desk out of frustration
The manager can't trust this group of players to avoid being tabloid fodder and headlines
The players as a collective are simply not serious enough
Transcripts
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it right welcome back to five today
we're going to be talking about what's
just happened and what the potential
implications are with what's going on
not just with Marcus rashford but that's
what we're going to talk about but the
The Wider discipline issue at United why
you smiling there's a smirk on your face
I can see it you looky I want I want to
talk about I want to talk about what's
going on at your Club energy your energy
is so question what's going on Marcus
rashford what about him you tell me mate
you know spotted in Belfast now is this
alleged or is this is what I'm saying
this is why I want to be very careful
what we say on the show because
obviously I only want to deal with facts
but it looked like he was spotted out in
Belfast which is a fact right I don't
know whether it was Wednesday or
Thursday at one point there were there
were um bits and Bobs coming out in the
media saying oh no it was on a Wednesday
not on the Thursday as it was originally
said but then he called in sick on the
Thursday and he couldn't report to
training for
Friday right there's a lot of people so
United said he missed he went out
Wednesday with permission before you
start the way the manager answered the
question he flatlined it as if to say
I'm dealing with this behind the scenes
trust me if something's not right sorry
steeve we're get that and on the back of
that yeah if he if he was just ill and
he was out at the right time with
permission he go to saying it yeah
there's not a problem so there's
obviously a problem so him by making any
com comment on it in the manner that he
did I'm more inclined that as it was as
he was out on Thursday I was getting DMS
of of videos and stuff so I'm inclined
to think that people didn't sit on them
for 24 hours before sending him to me
people are like he's like right in front
of me now um oh really yeah I believe
Roshan's just signed for a club in
Belfast is that the move so I think he'd
gone out with rosan um is what I'm
hearing now I think the problem here is
not that he can't go
anywhere but if it causes you to mist
trining now he might have just
coincidentally been ill but you put
yourself on an airplane where you're
breathing in all that mixed air you're
putting yourself in a position to be ill
a p you what he's on a PJ so is he there
on was he not on Ryan Air I don't
believe pretty easy on Ryan air just to
yeah it's 28 quid I don't believe he's I
think he's a PJ man if he got filmed
leaving a club can you imagine him
sitting or ran here like this would the
pictures would have been there yeah
you're right you're right you know I
mean probably was a private jet yeah all
right fair play but either way you you
you put yourself in a position where you
got to travel you still got to do
airports and stuff like you don't you
get ill don't you you get ill when
you're traveling and stuff and you're
flying and things like that it's not
ideal preparation for training Bingo
especially if you're coming back Friday
morning or supposedly coming back Friday
morning you're not putting yourself in a
position especially with what's going on
with literally every other Winger at the
club especially with the situation the
club is in and especially with how your
individual performance has been this
season Jo if he have done it last season
when he scored 30 goals no I would have
K yeah it's
weird cuz it's still not the right prep
so might said something feeling is
different get Grace 100% did you did you
witness it when you play top of my head
I think that listen people stepped out
of line when in my year I did I was one
of them jine but I would like to think
that more often than not most of the
time if not all my professionalism
around training was right we tried to go
out at the right times um I just think
that like Steve said the club's in a
this different my area you can't judge
it against my because we were flying we
were winning everything so you're going
to get Grace on a lot of things whereas
you have to have that self-awareness am
I putting myself in a position where
people could pick at me or I could be
tripped over here so if you're going to
go in on a for a Friday training session
and arrive back that morning that's not
really if you're talking like Elite
Sportsman is that the right prep that's
the first question that I ask I'd say no
so already there you're at a
disadvantage so and my point is the way
the manager responded to the question
tells me that he's not happy with what's
happened there's something wrong he's
gone outside of the boundaries that have
been set so he has to work that out but
but the club's in in in all over the
place players in his position have
been been hammered by the by the club
one's gone out to the Dortmund on loan
now and one's not at the club anymore
the other ones was on a mad charge or
accusations or whatever like there's a
lot of noise around the club you're one
of the experienced players now keep that
noise down that's your duty you're one
of the leaders now like it or not your
age the time you've been there you're
one of the leaders and again I think you
got to be aware enough that when you're
not doing well as a club as a team and
you're not hitting the standards that we
know you're you're about personally you
got to be aware man is this where you go
Paul gos mode wake up train shower go
home yeah yeah you got to simplify like
like I give you a good example if we got
beat like we not I was never my United
in the time where it's like now where
the atmosphere is like now but if we got
beat on on a regular weekend on a
Tuesday or whatever or Saturday and we
didn't have a game to the to the
following Saturday and I've got a um a
commercial engagement on Wednesday with
my sponsor at the time he was was Nike
or whever it was my agent Jamie here in
newera will be up on the motorway coming
up yeah yeah and I just go now what 5
hour drive 6 hour drive you're telling
Jamie no yeah I'm not doing it or I'd
say to him on the on the on the day the
day before whatever tell him I'm not
doing it yeah what do you mean we've got
they spent all the money on the hotels
all the people they got 30 40 people
doing a commercial but I ain't doing it
she's got beat I can't be seen to be
doing that not doing it so wow so not
even wow or or interview a lot of the
time it was interviews as well where
going to do an interview for S back in
the day was a paper or magazine I said
no no no you got to delay out that that
can't go out now well we just got
beat like my personal pride no one told
me to do that yeah that's just like and
it was a common thing for a lot of the
players I know I see a lot of players
did you have that all the way through at
West Ham at leard is that something you
pick something I picked up at United um
leads United really but main mainly at
United because the culture and I think
that's where these players are probably
a disadvantage as well there isn't a
culture that's set in stone at the club
that they have to adher to and just
follow is Marcus not the most senior
player in this squad now him and Luke
Shaw I'd say so who's got the most
appearances out of them it's it's
probably neck and neck is it yeah yeah
because of injuries with Luke Shaw
thereor players yeah
he right now Marcus is he should be the
guy that's just leading that team I
think flip back to your era that's gigs
and skols and Keen yeah when I walked in
then go listen I'm not none of us were
Saints skoy everyone thinks is the most
quiet man but if we had a night out he
was aloon sometimes on tables giggsy
yeah okay but but no but skoy will be
out and about and he it' be there it' be
one of like last to go home Etc but
you're doing you're trying to do it at
the right times we weren't Saints did go
out we did like a drink we did like a
good time I think the difference is as
well there's phones as well so you got
to be extra careful now listen mate
there was there was reports out and
about following people there was private
investigators in all the bars and clubs
when we used to go out 100% it all get
back to the manager you think the
manager didn't know what drink we were
drinking he knew what drink you were
ordering he knew what your bar was R you
left your car um your your your credit
card um Sugarland after we won a league
one year you left your
card so it's
so he says it I was like I was like that
stuttering like
what but they know they just know these
things so you have to you have to have
the awareness whereas now it's not your
manager that knows everything the bloody
world knows because of the the phones
and all that stuff so you've got to be
more even more diligent and careful I
want to ask you um something within the
segment though we were talking in a
group chat yesterday with Anton Anton
Ferdinand the take on he's got a big one
this week M he talks about the contrast
in treatment we had him on here a couple
weeks ago can you see there's a
difference in tenh the way he's
responding now you said one thing you
said by his by the way he spoke to the
media there's definitely something
that's happened right it also sounds to
me though like he doesn't want to make
the same mistake again and make more
noise and go yeah he did go out or
because he was very blunt and honest
with Sancho and a lot of people
commended him with it
after but but it ALS so but there's been
a couple now with rashford I'm not
saying it's the same but he's had to
come out a couple times to talk about
rashford as
well could it be that he is he's seen
what's happened and he's trying a
different approach it could be it's two
different people it's you can't treat
you can't treat two people exactly the
same because you don't know what in
incidents have happened behind the
scenes that we're not privy to so we've
seen that he's he's called out sanche
yeah Sancho could have done 10 things
before that that we don't know about mhm
and rashford might have done three so
are you saying still he's got to treat
them exactly the same and he's got to go
public and he's got to call out exactly
the way that he done Sancho because for
all we know Sancho's done eight things
and he's only done three we don't know
and if that's the case he's going to
handle it accordingly that suits him I
don't think you can go blanket approach
everything and just say this is all the
same I'm throwing it all in the same
basket each individual case warrants a
different kind of reaction I just think
he has has to be strong he has to be
solid and he has to be consistent but
this is what I'm saying is I want you
guys to let us know in the comments by
the way we want more comments from you
guys more likes everything because I
think these are discussions that we all
need to have as a community right we
don't know you remember s scoring 30
goals for us last season no and playing
every single game so do you Reon that
does that not warrant yeah but does that
not warrant some level of different
treatment ten ha M you're thinking this
kid has never done anything apart from
giving me headaches this one last season
was my leading scorer and led us to to
the success that we had okay it's not
typical United success but maybe he's
thinking I got to keep him onside
because if I get him back to that level
there's a 30 goal season forward that
I've got whereas he might think Sancho's
never going to do it for me but that's
that's a good point right there maybe
he's playing the game as well you know
what I mean ten hog maybe he's thinking
instead of coming out and saying what I
really want to say I need to play the
game and and get a Marcus rashford that
can get on the goal on the goal sheet do
you know what I mean but also where does
he go now if he if he does that with
Marcus who's he go to he who's he lean
on whereas if he does that with Sancho
he knows he's got a rashford sitting
there he's got a gacho sitting there but
if he if he does that with Marcus now
also there's a we're both of them have a
huge value but in the market now Marcus
was is going to go for a lot of money if
he goes I just think that
listen I don't really I I hate talking
about Manchester United about all these
extracurricular things all these things
out outside of the 90 minutes you don't
get a weak without but it's consistently
popping up it's been happening for
flipping years like there's so many
different that we're talking about
outside of the game and it is down to
the club down to the players and down to
to the manager to create a culture where
people stay in check out of five five
being the
highest how would you score the way tenh
has dealt with players since coming to
man united including the Ronaldo
situations including him walking on off
at halftime including uh dallot being in
that mix including Wan basaka including
Marcus rashford Jaden s all of them and
you
know but this is my this is the point
the fact that you've had to sit there
and name real off about 10 different
things and you probably there's probably
loads many more right who else is
dealing with that type of stupidness who
else is dealing with these the behavior
problems who else is dealing with these
sagas who else is dealing with these big
big big big personalities who who who
are doing what they feels right at the
time I mean who's having probably only
poch or guys down at
Chelsea haven't seen anything come out
po ain't got no name brands moving mad
no well if you if you think about it the
only difference is only just got a lot
of players that's yeah a lot of players
but you still got to manage different no
but there's no Public public it's not
the same though is it they're not United
is it no no but yeah I know that but but
what I'm saying you can't like on it to
man united a bigger Club not just a
bigger Club it's just different because
he's all he's got is an influx of a lot
of players and having to J all he's got
you don't know that no no no but I'm
saying he hasn't that's the point is we
don't know anything so it's not getting
out we're dealing with someone at Main
United who's dealing with a lot of
public issues sagas soap operas
different one's doing it behind closed
doors and one's doing it in NE glare of
the public and we the biggest club in
the world what percentage of his weat
Reon he has with his head on his desk
what banging his head on his desk no
just laying there yeah I reckon he
slumped about four or five days a week
out OFA where'd you name it what number
you I think it's wrong to have to name
it I don't I don't think you can do that
because I think it's been it's
unprecedented I think he's consistent
though I think he I think he's not yeah
I think he's I think he's been quite
solid with it like Ronaldo [ __ ] about SI
Maguire dealt with quite well I thought
in the handling of taking the arm band
off Hima what he ain't doing he ain't
letting people get away with it yeah
which is good which I like because I
thought for a period it was like you can
just do what you want and obviously
there's friction and Cristiano Ronaldo
said this and he said a lot of waffle I
mean I'm sitting down with pi Morgan is
going to be waffle but like when he sat
down with him and I think he may have
said this outside of the pi morg thing
I'm just figuring out where he said it
but he said this lot aren't serious
didn't he at some point and we all
assumed it is he talking about this that
and other but regardless of whether you
want to pin names to it he was right
that lot as a collective are not serious
we just listed about 18 different
players that's not like if if you're
looking at like what is the makeup of my
squad it's
bellans there's no other word for it you
can't say they're professional they're
ruthless they're winners no they're
bells that Bells it comes a point is RO
is trust can the manager trust that
these players aren't going to be front
middle back pages headlines he can't he
can't trust them at the moment to to let
allow him to just focus on football we
have more statements than points it's
unreal it's true we definitely have more
than Hollands on shots
yeah
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