A Dragon Will Come And Kill The Messiah - Confused Christian | Sheikh Mohammed | #SpeakersCorner

Summary

The transcript features a theological debate between a Christian and a Muslim discussing the nature of Jesus, his divinity, and differences between Sunni and Shia Islam. The conversation covers topics like God's omniscience, Jesus's crucifixion, and his role as a prophet. The Christian participant brings up the Antichrist, biblical prophecies, and interpretations of scripture, while the Muslim speaker emphasizes Islamic teachings and the Quran. The discussion becomes heated with conflicting views on religious doctrines, ultimately highlighting deep theological differences.

Takeaways

• 😀 God is all-powerful and all-knowing, with independent will.
• 😊 The discussion contrasts the beliefs in Shia and Sunni Islam.
• 😌 The speaker emphasizes the distinction between God's will and Jesus' actions.
• 😇 Jesus chose to die for salvation, but this choice does not equate to being all-powerful.
• 😕 The speaker argues that Jesus cannot be considered God because he was crucified and had limitations.
• 🤔 There is a debate about Jesus' knowledge of the hour of resurrection, suggesting he is not all-knowing.
• 🧐 The speaker emphasizes the importance of understanding the concept of God in Islam and Christianity.
• 😟 The conversation touches on the significance of the Quran and the belief in one God in Islam.
• 🙄 The speaker mentions the Antichrist and its association with the end times, drawing on Islamic and Christian eschatology.
• 😅 The discussion also highlights the influence of cultural and political factors on religious beliefs, particularly in Iran.

Q & A

What is the main topic of discussion in the script?

The main topic is the debate between a former Shia Muslim, now a Christian, and another individual about the divinity of Jesus, the concept of God in Christianity and Islam, and the differences between Sunni and Shia beliefs.

What is the Christian perspective on Jesus' divinity discussed in the script?

The Christian in the script believes Jesus is both God and the Son of God, asserting that Jesus chose to die for the salvation of humanity. However, this view is challenged by the other speaker, who questions Jesus' divinity due to his lack of knowledge about certain things.

How does the speaker challenge the idea of Jesus being all-powerful?

The speaker questions Jesus' power by asking if he could stop his crucifixion, arguing that if Jesus couldn't stop it, he wasn't all-powerful. This challenges the notion of Jesus as God, who is traditionally considered omnipotent.

What is the significance of the term 'Son of God' in the script?

The script discusses the term 'Son of God' as a title used for Jesus, Moses, David, and others, suggesting it signifies being a servant or prophet of God rather than a literal sonship or divinity.

How is the concept of the Antichrist mentioned in the script?

The Antichrist is mentioned as a future figure who will deceive many. There is a debate about his origins and actions, with references to the Antichrist being followed by certain groups, including Jews from Iran, according to the speaker.

What is the main argument against associating partners with God, according to the script?

The main argument is that associating partners with God (shirk) is considered an unforgivable sin in Islam, as stated in the Quran. Worshiping Jesus as God is seen as an act of shirk by the Muslim speaker.

What are the differences between Sunni and Shia Islam mentioned in the script?

The script briefly touches on differences, highlighting the speaker's view that Shia Islam does not represent the 'truth' due to a lack of exposure to Sunni teachings. However, specific doctrinal differences are not detailed in the transcript.

What role does the Quran play in the discussion?

The Quran is used by the Muslim speaker to argue against the divinity of Jesus and to emphasize the belief in one God. The speaker encourages reading the Quran for a better understanding of Islamic teachings.

How is the concept of the Trinity challenged in the script?

The speaker challenges the Trinity by questioning how Jesus can be part of an all-powerful Godhead when he lacks certain knowledge and power, as demonstrated by his crucifixion and lack of knowledge about the day of judgment.

What is the Christian speaker's view on the role of Jesus in creation?

The Christian speaker believes that Jesus helped create the universe and that he wrote and obeyed the Commandments, implying a divine role in creation and lawgiving.

Outlines

00:00

🗣️ Discussion on the Concept of God and Jesus in Christianity

The speaker, identified as G (Gasmin), from Iran, who transitioned from Shia Islam to Christianity, discusses the attributes of God, particularly His omnipotence and omniscience. The conversation then delves into whether Jesus, who is considered God in Christianity, possesses these attributes. Questions arise about Jesus' crucifixion, whether it was a choice or forced upon Him, and how this relates to His divine nature and power. The speaker challenges the notion of Jesus being all-powerful if He chose to die and could not prevent His crucifixion.

05:00

🤔 The Knowledge of Jesus Compared to God the Father

The discussion continues, focusing on the knowledge of Jesus versus God the Father. Jesus' statement that only the Father knows the hour of the end times is highlighted to argue that Jesus is not all-knowing and thus not God. The speaker argues that since Jesus admitted to not knowing certain divine timings, it contradicts the idea of Him being an omniscient deity. The conversation touches on Jesus' human limitations and his divine mission, further emphasizing the confusion around his dual nature as both human and divine.

10:04

📜 Prophets and Their Human Nature

The conversation shifts to the nature of prophets, emphasizing their human qualities. The speaker explains that prophets, including Jesus, were sent by God to experience and understand human life. The argument is made that all prophets, despite being chosen by God, were fundamentally human and not divine. References are made to Biblical figures like Jeremiah, and the speaker stresses that Jesus, born of a virgin and prophesied to come, fits into this category as a human prophet rather than a deity.

15:08

⚖️ Differentiating Between True and False Beliefs

The dialogue concludes with a focus on discerning true beliefs from false ones. The speaker critiques the rewriting and alterations of the Bible over centuries, arguing for the authenticity and purity of the Quran. The importance of returning to the original teachings and scriptures is emphasized to avoid idolizing prophets or other figures. The speaker encourages embracing Islam, which they describe as the true submission to God's will, and dismisses misconceptions and mythical elements like dragons associated with other beliefs.

Keywords

💡Shia

Shia is a branch of Islam that believes in the leadership of Ali, the cousin and son-in-law of Prophet Muhammad, and his descendants. In the script, the speaker identifies as having a Shia background before converting to Christianity, indicating a significant religious shift in their beliefs.

💡Sunni

Sunni Islam is the largest denomination within Islam, which follows the Sunnah (practices) of the Prophet Muhammad and emphasizes the authority of the community in interpreting Islamic teachings. The speaker mentions Sunni Islam to contrast it with their Shia background, highlighting a difference in understanding and exposure to different Islamic teachings.

💡God

In the context of this video, 'God' refers to the monotheistic deity worshipped in Christianity and Islam. The debate revolves around the nature of God, particularly the concept of God in Christianity versus Islam, discussing attributes like omnipotence and omniscience.

💡Jesus

Jesus is a central figure in Christianity, believed to be the Son of God and savior of humanity. The script discusses Jesus's divinity, crucifixion, and his role in salvation, comparing Christian beliefs with Islamic perspectives, where Jesus is regarded as a prophet.

💡Crucifixion

Crucifixion refers to the method of execution by which Jesus was put to death, an essential event in Christian theology signifying Jesus's sacrifice for humanity's sins. The script debates whether Jesus chose to die and his power in the context of his crucifixion.

💡Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit is part of the Christian Trinity, representing God's presence and action in the world. The script references the Holy Spirit to discuss Jesus's divinity and the concept of the Trinity, comparing it with Islamic monotheism.

💡Quran

The Quran is the holy book of Islam, believed to be the word of God as revealed to Prophet Muhammad. The script mentions the Quran in discussions about Islamic beliefs, contrasting them with Christian scriptures.

💡Antichrist

The Antichrist is a figure in Christian eschatology who is believed to appear before the end of the world, opposing Christ and deceiving many. The script touches on beliefs about the Antichrist, using it to discuss prophetic warnings and religious end-times narratives.

💡Prophet

A prophet is a messenger chosen by God to deliver divine guidance to humanity. The script refers to various prophets in both Christianity and Islam, emphasizing their roles and contrasting the view of Jesus as a prophet versus as a divine figure.

💡Trinity

The Trinity is a Christian doctrine stating that God exists as three persons in one essence: the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. The script debates the concept of the Trinity, contrasting it with Islamic monotheism, which rejects the idea of God having partners or divisions.

Highlights

The speaker engages in a debate about the concept of God, focusing on attributes such as omniscience, omnipotence, and independent will.

The speaker questions the divinity of Jesus based on his crucifixion and lack of power to stop it, suggesting that Jesus chose to die.

A discussion on the difference between Sunni and Shia Islam is briefly mentioned.

The speaker asserts that associating partners with God (Shirk) is unforgivable according to the Quran.

The debate touches on the Commandments, particularly the first one about having no other gods.

Jesus' role and actions, such as creating the universe and giving power to the Holy Spirit, are discussed.

The speaker challenges the claim that Jesus is all-knowing by referencing a Bible passage where Jesus states only the Father knows the hour of judgment.

A discussion on the nature of prophets and their connection to God is introduced.

The speaker argues that Jesus, as a prophet, is not God but a servant of God.

The speaker discusses the belief in Jesus as the Son of God and compares it to other prophets who were also called sons of God.

The speaker emphasizes the concept of monotheism in Islam and the rejection of the Trinity.

The importance of understanding and following the pure form of Islam, free from political influences, is highlighted.

The speaker addresses misconceptions about the Antichrist and clarifies Islamic teachings on the topic.

The speaker advises against idolizing Jesus and stresses the importance of worshiping only one God in Islam.

A call to convert to Islam is made, emphasizing the belief in Jesus as a prophet and servant of God.

Transcripts

so let's use your anal God is the one

who created everything yes

[Applause]

okay uh from you told me what's your

name by the way G Okay gasmin you're

from Iran you said to me you left uh shm

you were Shia I assum yeah where you

Shia

H what Shia and then you became

Christian in this country and I

understand in shm actually it doesn't

serve the truth because you were never

exposed to the Sunni Islam my father was

your father was

Sunni what have you what do you know

about the Sunni the difference between

okay all knowing yes God is all knowing

knows everything yes God has independent

will yeah has independent will which

means go when God decides something it's

that of God no can no one is telling God

what to decide what not to decide yes

you

agree no Jesus tell God right hand side

one one second before we come to the

point yeah let's let's we talk about the

concept of God God all powerful all

knowing has independent will meaning if

he Wills something we'll do it so let's

apply this on Jesus is Jesus all

powerful yes why why would it want to

apply that to

Jesus because if you apply this to the

father you'll find the father is all

powerful if you apply this to the father

you'll find the father is all knowing no

Jesus is crucified I'm asking you is

Jesus all powerful no because he died so

so did he choose to die or he was forced

to Die the people to believe in God I

don't believe in God said crucify him

and kill him no that's not my question

did he choose to die yes he chose to die

so he committed suicide no he said I

will die he said I will die for the

Salvation so that's suicide my salvation

so if someone killed himself for the

others that's suicide he never killed

himself the authorities killed him okay

so if I know did he have the power to

stop them no power so he's not all

powerful not even the father took the

power no so so Jesus so Jesus doesn't

have power so that how how come is you

say God is all powerful and Jesus

doesn't have power how is that what he

did was he said God said this world

needs my son to come and live in this

world so he will put the world as I want

the world to be because after Noah he

said I can't send floods he said I can't

anything else the only I can do is send

Jesus so he send Jesus that's not my

point my point is if Jesus competing I'm

not competing I'm saying to you you

might believe in Allah no let know what

the believe in your I

my no my point is no my point is no us

if you believe in other than God as God

you will never go to to to Paradise why

because Allah Allah Miss clearly in the

Quran Allah will never forgive and

pardon pardon associating with him

partners and Allah will pardon anything

below that so if you worship other than

God then you are committing committing

basically a sh associating with Allah

part so that's why this like a paganism

thing so that's why my point is the

Commandments like Moses mes had the

Commandments first commandment what's

the first commandment we not have any of

the Gods before me okay who's talking

here Jesus God God so now how you put

Jesus now to worship Him Jesus wrote The

Commandments as well one second Jesus

obey the Commandments Jesus created the

universe Jesus created the universe what

is this yeah he did he helped create the

universe

and he h with the Commandments in the

book of okay so was Jesus

God Jesus okay was he God yes he was God

so if he was God how come a God to be

doesn't have

power no he had power he gave power to

the Holy

Trinity that's why people understand

like for example for example for example

is Jesus now here God is all knowing

knows everything yes

is Jesus all

knowing not so so Jesus is not all

knowing that how you describe him to be

God and he doesn't

know he is born in a man like he's born

in man listen listen to this listen to

this when Jesus said when people asked

him when is the hour they asked him when

is the hour he said no one knows about

the hour but the father neither the son

nor the angel the only one knows about

the our is the father so Jesus saying

the son doesn't know about the

hour no problem thank you

brother so so Jesus doesn't know about

the

hour so if Jesus doesn't know about the

hour you cannot use you cannot assume

he's God his holy spirit gives up his

holy spirit all the light in the but but

one second how he gives the Holy Spirit

when the Holy Spirit is with him when he

body on his flesh flesh is gone body

you're so confused you are so confused

see why you

confused a holy spirit that comes out

crci the resurrection before he was

crucified when he was when he was on

when he was on the cross yeah before he

died did he know about the hour hour

he's going to die did he know about the

hour the day of Resurrection the day of

judgment so he doesn't know well without

even when the when the Holy Spirit with

him he didn't know about the so Jesus

doesn't know about the about the

resurrection after you have a

resurrection if you don't have a spirit

you have a spirit before the spirit

before the resurrection I'm talking

about when he was walking on Earth no he

was a super man he didn't know he did

not J so that's why he's not God that's

my

point we we are people are we not are we

not people we are people yeah yeah but

we're not Gods God will not talk to any

other person only people only things God

God talks to prophets yeah he so he

talked to mes he talked to David he

talked to prophets he talked to Muhammad

our and this spirit comes from God the

spirit we have comes from God comes from

God yes yes and Jesus symbolizes the

same thing he looks like he doesn't even

know who his father is he's mared son

he's Jewish yeah that's not my point my

point is if Jesus Is God according to

you how he doesn't know things he

doesn't so he's not God he's born from

his mother so he's not God he doesn't

know anything he doesn't know

okay good so Jesus doesn't know anything

I accept this so that means he's not God

no he's human okay he's a human son of

man and he's Son of God as well so okay

good so Jesus is a human being he's not

God Moses was Son of God sooman was Son

of God children of Israel used to be

children of God do you know what means

son means servant anyone who servant of

God they used to call him Son of God huh

even in

Christianity I don't think Moses was the

son of

No Moses and Adultism is the Son of God

he was not son of he was Abraham was not

the Son of God no actually all the

children of Israel are Son of God all

the children of Israel yeah even Adam

was Son of God no they're Prophet you

see here don't confuse things so when we

talking about son means servants so

children is used to be called children

of God David was Son of God Moses was

Son of God so that's why prophets of God

used to be called sons of God not

necessarily begotten son but rather than

to be sent by God so that's why when

Jesus said the only true God is the

father so that means this is not true

God Jesus is

Lord Son of God he the father he

son son means servant if you believe he

is servant of God than

F you understand my

point okay so he's not

God and a minute ago you said he's God I

said he's a Son of God okay like David

was Son of God and he so he's a human

being he's a prophet and he's a prophet

sent by

God now W who told you

that father he following his father's

foot yes of course where did you get

this from where did you get this

from where did you get this from I get

this from

the Bible you are so confused sister you

are all over the

place mother none of the Christian said

what you said by the

way even Christian they didn't say what

you

say they might not say that because

they're not real Christian you are the

only real Christian no when I when I I

feel like I'm a person okay of course

you're a person of course we know you're

a person I know that

creation fact that God said I will make

a prophet who will be a human being

because he will walk on the so all

prophets there human being he will see

the birds he will hear the birds and he

will know what we go through every day

in our lives yeah that's a

prophet that's a prophet that's not God

God wants to see that all those millions

of years ago people don't care about now

all those millions and millions of years

ago he came to this earth who who came

to his Earth he came to this earth he

born and he died and he did this so that

God can make a

record he did this so God God doesn't

know before

that he other prophets did he know

before

that before Jesus Is God all

knowing listen have you read the

Quran have you read the Quran Jeremiah

they all say there will be a son he will

be born of a virgin his name will be

Emmanuel and he will come to the Earth

noted but that's not uel it's not

Emanuel so is Jesus Emanuel

yes so have you read the Quran

properly listen to the not listen read

list to you have you have transl of the

Quran YouTube

to Jonathan Kane to who Jonathan Kane

who's Jonathan Kane he's this man and

he's on YouTube and he's talking about

Iran my mother's country brother leave

Iran leave Iran regime I'm not talking

about this I'm talking about the Quran

why we I know I know I know but I just

find you want to have you to have Quran

if I take that I have one already what

I'm saying if I convert

ISL then it might be I wouldn't come

I take on board what people say from

these countries yeah I'm from these

countries I would be crazy if I don't

listen to my own culture okay your own I

will tell you something the the problem

is many of the Iranian they left Islam

because of the dictatorship that they

have there and all of these political

movements but actually but actually but

actually because they didn't understand

what's Islam they didn't know what the

pure Islam pure Islam is totally

different pure Islam is to worship this

one God follow the footstep of Muhammad

sah am as the final Prophet not the IMs

and things and the Mull and this and and

these ones not to follow Allah and the

Quran and the authentic of the Prophet

if there's a lot of people in one

country and they all follow one religion

and everybody's going to believe in that

country that that is God on but it

doesn't matter Hitler during his time

people believe this is the true but

that's not true we are in the ukuk we

all believe in religion yeah yeah but

different religion that's why we have to

follow the truth

we have a choice so I said to you I

would choose Islam if I could understand

why man say on YouTube he said that

there's something called an antichrist

or some kind of spirit and he

saidan and the Iranian people are crazy

they want to support Arab world and he

said that this is Antichrist okay and

the church if I answer if I answer you

will you accept

if I answer you will you accept

Dragon if I answer you will you accept

Islam I don't mind it I don't mind it no

don't mind I'm asking you if I answered

you will you accept

Islam I can't the Commandments I

can't listen it's basically the

Antichrist basically the Antichrist will

not come by the way by the way all the

relig as well because I stud

then when you accept it you accept it

sometimes you say do you understand do

you want to listen or do you want to

listen to yourself yeah in Islam by the

way by the way that Hadith that you

mentioned that when Antichrist appears

appears he's not going to come from Iran

when he appears he will be followed by

Jews

Froman Jews who lives there in Iran in

this area they will come wearing the

Talisa they will wear you know with this

garment yeah the Jews who lives in that

area they will follow

him he didn't say peace be upon him the

Antichrist will appear from Iran but he

will work he will work in all Earth only

two places only two places he will not

enter me Medina that's all that's all

and you know you know the people is that

this is it clear is it clear yeah what

did they say you said Antichrist

Antichrist have somebody who's dressed

in some kind of no I didn't say

that you not focusing I'm FOC should I

repeat okay firstly the Antichrist will

not appear from Iran he will appear from

somewhere then he will be followed by

the Jews who lives inasan in Iran and

this area who lives in that area they

will follow him wearing the Garment of

the Jews those are which the prophet he

said you understand so you have one

Antichrist there is one Antichrist

Antichrist Antichrist yes which is that

is the one who will be appear on Earth

and then he will be followed by by many

people and by the Jews some of the Jews

yeah if they did accept it I believe is

Antichrist

who is Antichrist now going back to the

point

so so that's why I answered you now from

this going back to the point Jesus is

not God Jesus is a prophet sent by God

if you agree with this then you are more

more Muslim than Christan I believe in

Jesus as a prophet and messenger of God

he's not God he's a prophet sent by God

Jesus says in the Book of Revelation

there will be the Antichrist how we know

how we know 3,00 years ago listen all

the prophets and Messengers warn the

people against Antichrist that's not the

problem I'm talking about the doctrine

that you are using a a scripture which

was Rewritten how many times in the

history things being changed and added

that's why the first intact you know

Bible it was 300 and something after

Jesus so you don't have original text

there's no original text Jesus spoke

Aramaic where is the Aramaic Bible where

is it doesn't exist so that's why that's

why there is no Aramaic scripture

because of this we said to you go back

to the source the source says Jesus was

sent by God a prophet sent by God that's

all nothing else no more knowledge to be

anything else the thing is when people

start idolizing saying which the

Christian do idolizing Jesus worshiping

Jesus you can't have any other religion

you have to have just Jesus that's when

things go Antichrist that's why we don't

have to do that instead we tell you go

back to Islam Islam means submitting to

God so submit your will to the will of

God and retake your shahad and become

Muslim like us why didn't you do that I

tell you what Jesus important to me who

told you is not important to us he is a

prophet I believe in the dragon dragon

what dragon come on are you

okay Jesus says he's a dragon when he's

on the Cru a dragon and he tries to eat

a baby woman is pregnant gives births

Tri to eat the baby the woman escapes

lives in the come on I think I think

where is this leave the

fight he fights Yahweh wow yeah he does

an archangel Michael comes and takes the

devil the dragon and put him in in his

abys for a thousand years so it's not

just

Antichrist I think I think you need to

you need to see some specialist I can't

deal with no

I'm 66 books and he said only is

Antichrist I never saw a dragon ID I

never saw a dragon except on TV with

kids thing so you see you I think you

watch a lot of movies I think no you

won't see a dragon which movie that you

saw you w't see a dragon a dragon to be

him you me anyone a dragon looks like

all of us thing is people come on please

come on save us from this nonsense think

about listen listen listen take this

take this and read leave all Dragon

nonsense listen listen listen listen

listen listen leave all this

nons I'm telling you there Antichrist

Beast with 666 on their forehead okay

and

Dragons another prostitutes and Bon okay

I wish you all the best thank you so

much thank you you most important thing

is the dragon needs an ays okay thank