Growing Your Horus Heresy Army Poorly
Summary
TLDRВ этом видео автор обсуждает обходные пути при создании армии в игре 'Горус Херси', предупреждая о некоторый неуместных покупках и выборах, которые могут замедлить процесс игры. Он подчёркивает важность планирования и выбора подходящих единиц, чтобы быстро и эффективно сформировать армию. Также автор делится своими впечатлениями о различных моделях, таких как 'Macedon' и 'Typhon', и их ценности на поле боя, предлагая предварительно составить списки и экспериментировать, прежде чем приступить к покупкам.
Takeaways
- 🚀 В видео обсуждается не только то, что следует делать при создании армии в игре 'Хорус Херси', но и то, что стоит избегать.
- 🛡️ Некоторые модели, такие как 'Kratos Assault Tank', не рекомендуется покупать сразу после начала игры.
- 🎨 Для тех, кто интересуется только хобби и краской моделей, правила выбора армии могут отличаться от тех, кто стремится быстро сыграть в игру.
- 💡 Важно учитывать, что некоторые оружия не совместимы с определенными моделями брони, например, тяжелые вооружения для 'Mark 6 Heavy Support Squad' не подходят для 'Mark 3'.
- 💰 Покупка 'Mark 6 Heavy Support Squad' может быть дорогой инвестицией, и ее стоимость может быть неоправданной для некоторых игроков.
- 🛒 Рекомендуется избегать покупки дорогостоящих 'super heavies' от Forge World, так как они могут быть неэффективными в игре.
- 🚗 Вместо 'super heavies' стоит сосредоточиться на более доступных и эффективных единицах, таких как 'Rhinos', 'Predators' и 'Land Raiders'.
- ⚔️ 'Tactical Support Squad' не является хорошим выбором в текущем правиле игры, так как они не имеют правила 'line' и не могут захватывать цели.
- 📝 Перед покупкой моделей рекомендуется составлять списки и экспериментировать, чтобы определить, какие единицы будут эффективными в армии.
- 🔢 При планировании армии важно учитывать стоимость очков и эффективность единиц, некоторые могут быть неоправданно дорогими или слабыми.
- ✍️ Автор подчеркивает важность планирования и составления списков перед покупкой моделей, чтобы избежать ненужных расходов и неэффективных стратегий.
Q & A
Что обсуждалось в предыдущем видео о Войне Хоруса?
-В предыдущем видео обсуждался выбор легиона для начала игры в Войну Хоруса.
Кому адресовано текущее видео?
-Видео адресовано людям, которые хотят как можно быстрее собрать играбельную армию и играть в игры.
Почему не стоит сразу покупать Kratos Assault Tank?
-Kratos Assault Tank не стоит покупать сразу, так как это нецелесообразная трата денег для начинающих игроков, которые хотят быстро собрать играбельную армию.
Какие комплекты оружия подходят для Mark VI Power Armor?
-Комплекты тяжелого оружия подходят для Mark VI Power Armor, но не для Mark III или Mark IV Power Armor.
Почему важно учитывать соответствие оружия и доспехов?
-Важно учитывать соответствие оружия и доспехов, чтобы не тратить деньги на несовместимые компоненты, что особенно критично для тематических армий.
Какие танки стоит избегать при начале игры в Войну Хоруса?
-Стоит избегать покупки супер тяжелых танков, таких как Macedon, Felsion, Typhon и других, так как они слишком дорогие и неэффективные на поле боя для начинающих.
Какие танки рекомендуется использовать в начале игры?
-Рекомендуется использовать Rhinos, Predators и Land Raiders, а также Saccharins, которые скоро появятся в пластике.
Почему Tactical Support Squads не являются хорошим выбором?
-Tactical Support Squads не являются хорошим выбором, так как они не имеют способности захвата целей (line) и, следовательно, не могут участвовать в захвате и удержании целей в игре.
Какой важный аспект стоит учитывать при выборе прав войны (rites of war)?
-Важно учитывать, что некоторые права войны делают отряды troops, но не делают их line, что означает, что они не могут захватывать цели.
Какие советы даны по планированию покупок и составлению армии?
-Советуется писать несколько списков армии до покупки моделей, пробовать проксировать и экспериментировать, чтобы понять, какие юниты действительно нужны, а также избегать покупки неподходящих и неэффективных моделей.
Outlines
🤔Планирование неудачного старта в Horus Heresy
В этом параграфе обсуждается неудачное планирование в игре Horus Heresy, с акцентом на том, что некоторые решения могут быть не самыми мудрыми. Рассматривается покупка Kratos Assault Tank и предупреждается о его непригодности для начинающих. Также упоминается ошибка покупки тяжелых огнеметов для Mark III, которые не подходят для этого типа брони. Автор подчеркивает важность учета совместимости вооружения с бронебойными единицами и предупреждает о финансовых затратах на покупку ненужных вещей, таких как специальные вооружения и переносные наборы для двух легионов.
💸Покупка дорогостоящих танков и неэффективных единиц
Автор обсуждает покупку дорогих танков Forge World, таких как Macedon, и указывает на их низкую эффективность на игровом поле. Он рекомендует игнорировать некоторые модели, так как они не позволяют использовать в игре. Также обсуждается покупка легионных костей и трансферов, и автор предупреждает о том, что некоторые единицы, такие как Legion Tactical Support Squad, не являются хорошим выбором с точки зрения правил игры, поскольку они не могут захватывать цели и не являются линейными единицами.
❗Внимание к правилу 'Линия' и стратегии покупок
В этом параграфе подчёркивается важность учета правила 'Линия' при построении армии для игры Horus Heresy. Автор дает советы по тому, как правильно составлять армии, чтобы избежать ненужных покупок и неэффективных единиц. Он также говорит о том, что некоторые легионы имеют особенности, которые делают определенные типы единиц непригодными для использования в качестве линейных, что может привести к проблемам с захватом целей в игре. Также автор рекомендует писать списки и экспериментировать с различными вариантами состава армии, прежде чем приступать к покупке моделей.
🎨Финансовое планирование и строительство армии
Автор делится своими мыслями о том, как важно планировать покупки и строительство армии, учитывая стоимость и эффективность моделей. Он говорит о том, что некоторые модели могут быть круто выглядеть, но неэффективны в игре, и что важно избегать покупки таких единиц. Также автор делится своими планами по созданию армии Саламандеров, которые он купил в рамках игры, и говорит о прогрессе строительства и окрашивания моделей, что демонстрирует, что он следует собственным советам о планировании и размышлениях перед покупкой и строительством армии.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Horus Heresy
💡Legion
💡Mark 6 Heavy Support Squad
💡Forge World
💡Rhinos, Predators, Land Raiders
💡Line Units
💡Tactical Support Squad
💡Points Values
💡Rules Oversight
💡Ad-libbed
Highlights
Discussing the importance of planning out a force in the Horus Heresy game wisely to avoid common pitfalls.
Mentioning the Kratos Assault Tank as an example of a unit not to purchase immediately due to its limitations.
Highlighting the issue with the Mark 6 Heavy Support Squad's weaponry not being compatible with other armor types.
Warning about the high cost of certain units like the Macedon and their limited effectiveness on the tabletop.
Advising against purchasing super-heavy vehicles for new players due to their cost and limited utility.
Suggesting that Rhinos, Predators, and Land Raiders are more practical choices for building a viable army.
Explaining the importance of units being able to score in games that revolve around objectives.
Discussing the limitations of the Tactical Support Squad in the current rules and their inability to score.
Pointing out the discrepancy in points values between Legion Tactical Support Squads and Heavy Support Squads.
Emphasizing the need to experiment with different army lists before committing to purchases.
Recommending to avoid filling all troop choices with units that do not score to prevent a lack of scoring in the army.
Suggesting that players should consider the firepower and effectiveness of units before adding them to their army.
Mentioning the upcoming plastic releases for certain units and their potential impact on army building.
Stressing the importance of planning ahead and considering how new units will fit into an existing army strategy.
Encouraging players to share their progress and army builds on social media platforms like Instagram.
Concluding with a reminder to plan wisely and avoid common mistakes when building an army for the Horus Heresy game.
Transcripts
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the galaxy
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okay guys back to the outer circle and
today we're going to talk about
well in the previous video we didn't
getting started in the horus heresy we
talked about
pointing out your legion wisely today
we're going to be planning it out
well unwisely
so this was sort of said as a joke by
one of the people who commented on the
channel
earlier today and i thought about it i
went actually
it's not so much of a joke it's
kind of what does happen because i spoke
about the sort of things people should
be looking towards and building up their
force i haven't really gone in depth
about the things to
not
do
so that's really what i'll be looking at
today
so i did point out things like hey the
kratos assault tank that's not something
you want to be buying straight away now
people always like to pipe in and say
weird ones like hey i i really like
painting and yada yada so i bought one
fine that's it's not targeted at that
sort of person it's not targeted a
person who uh only is interested in the
hobby aspect or they don't care about
when they're going to get their tape
army on the tabletop they just want to
play games right
it's targeted the people who are like
hey i'm buying into this game because i
want to play games as quickly as
possible
and we want to create an atmosphere
where they can build a viable army as
easily and cheaply as possible rather
than going down the rabbit hole of oh
but what about this what about this what
about this
so
with that in mind the first thing i'm
going to look at is right on this page
here you'll see that you can buy these
pre-order bundles like the legion mark
vi tactical support squad and it'll give
you a bunch of special weapons and
all of those troops that go with it same
as the mark 6 heavy support squad the
mark 6 heavy support squad is the one
we'll look at first
and then we'll get the mark 3 uh
tactical squad
so the mark 6 heavy support squad as you
can see by this picture here
the arms are included
with the weaponry that's because the
regular tactical marine arms do not work
with these weapons and you could cut and
modify and repose the weapons i'm sure
you could make it work
but you have to keep this in mind
because if you want to do something like
buy mark 3 or mark iv power armor for
your army well
the heavy weapons
are no good to you you sort of have to
go down the route of going to forge
world and getting them in resin or
buying plastic kits but then you're
stuck with mark 6. now it's not says
anything wrong with mark 6 but it
doesn't appeal to everyone and if
someone goes out there and they think
hey i'm gonna collect an imaury's army
and i want all my guys to be a mark iii
because they're a siege warfare force
and i want a bunch of
heavy weapons to go on them because it's
really fluffy and thematic for iron
warriors then they fall into the trap of
buying the heavy weapons which are
designed to suit mark six paramount
marines and don't match the arms of the
mark iii
is it a big deal
for some it will be yes uh in general
probably not but for some it will be
because it's quite an investment of
money i mean this box here in australian
dollars 209
that's a lot of money for 20 years
that's what 10
a model and 45 cents off top of my head
that's a lot of money
for what is essentially just regular
troops in your army one could almost say
so it's just something to keep in the
back of your mind that if you if you're
going down that route you want to get
heavy weapons and all that make sure
they actually suit the armor that you're
looking at
um
and yeah cool that they come with a
little transfer sheet but that's such a
crappy transfer sheet just needs to be
said because it only suits two legions
so it's not really a selling point to me
but if you collect imperial fists or
sons of horus there's going to be so
many of these going cheap on ebay and
the internet
that hey you'll be able to fill out a
whole army with them in no time
so that's the first thing to talk about
the second is
hmm okay
legion dice legion
transfers all that kind of stuff it's
all good for getting started in the
horos heresy
fine apocalyptic blast marker makes me
think super heavies and super heavy is a
really good transition point so let's
get on over to forge world here and
let's just pull up the lords of war
and we'll take a moment because you know
it's it's forge world's website it's
it's a little bit funky sometimes and
you've got to
play with it a bit but
it could just be a strange thing
and let's narrow this down to just tanks
um because
primarks storm birds will get confusing
so if you buy one of these
well for a start you want
let's say marines you're buying marines
then the mechanicum stuff obviously
ignore it ignore the arcurium pattern
storm blade because you can't use it
ignore the solar auxiliary storm hammer
because you can't use it so it really is
just the
macedon felsion typhon cerberus fell
blade and legion glaive
they're the units that you should be
looking at here
and they're a lot of money macedon 789
really wasted dollars for that unit so
buying one of those straight out of the
gate because you think it's cool with
your box set
it's a lot of money that you're just
throwing away because it's not very good
on the tabletop but it looks really cool
and i bring up what's good on the
tabletop not because we're in a
competitive
scene here i bring it up because nobody
wants to pick just units they're going
to lose with repeatedly or spend a lot
of points on for very little reward
uh it's one thing to pick these units
because they're thematic and you know
they're going to suck but you're you're
fine with it anyway that's fine that's
informed choosing but when you're
picking again because hey it's this
giant super heavy and it's got you know
tons of hull points and it looks like
it's got all these guns
and then you realize that the macedon
packs less firepower than a typhon
realistically hang on how does that make
sense
yeah
that's a mistake even when it comes to
the other tanks which are all you know
relatively good the cerberus is better
in this edition which is nice the
typhon's not an auto include anymore
fell blade's still really good so is the
glaive so is the velcro the falchion's
probably the worst of the super heavies
to be honest
but they're all cool tanks but at 469
dollars you can buy an awful lot you
could buy
and what two sets of you could buy the
uh the legion tactical support squad and
the legion heavy support squad and have
two of each that's a thing
sure fill your boots
is it something you need in your army
you could build it because you just
think it's cool and you want to paint it
sure go for it but again this is aimed
at people who want to get their force on
the tabletop and actually get some games
under their belt in which case don't
stay away from all of these vehicles
none of them are useful to you
absolutely none of them what you should
be looking at is rhinos predators and
land raiders really uh saccharins of
course they'll be adding plastic in a
month or two so
get into those
um
which brings me to another point
actually thinking back to legion
tactical support squad so a tactical
support squad is
not a wine choice in the current rules
so a line unit is you can essentially
score with the unit it can contest and
score objectives
that's very very important in the horus
heresy because most games revolve around
objectives there are very few public
kill points missions out there in the
horus heresy whether it's 1.0 or 2.0
because 2.0 so far has only repeated
uh version 1's
missions
so
when you go to a unit like this you
think oh cool it's a tactical squad and
it's in troops
but it's really not because without the
wine rule
it kind of sucks i mean i'm gonna go and
double check i'm holding the uh
weber traitorous uh in my hands here
but pretty damn sure
that tactical support squad doesn't have
the line rule instead it has the support
squad rule which yes page 48 i can
confirm
so
that means
you can't just get say two tactical
squads fill out your compulsory troops
and then buy four tactical support
squads because they're not scoring if
you try and use them in your game and
you lose your two tactical squads that
could mean you've lost all of the
scoring in your army
that is a
major negative downside of playing this
force and so therefore you don't want to
bulk up on something like tactical
support squads without putting
forethought into what's actually going
to do the objective capturing in your
mission
another great example of this actually
i'll bring them up on um forge world
let's say let's pick a
legion um
not all trains
pick something more out of the box
i'm to pick
thousand sounds of good world eaters
okay world eaters because they're really
cool and nobody talks about them enough
okay
uh what is rights of war page
217 in the tradable
there's a right of war here called
berserker assault the effects are all
units composed entirely of models of the
legionnaires of studies world leaders
rule in this detachment and plus two
inches to the distance moved when
running that's cool cover the table very
fast
all units composed entirely models of
the legions of studies world eaters gain
a bonus of plus two to all charge rolls
made for them
very good
organizers compose entire models with
the legions of studies world leaders
rule in a detachment using this right of
war gainer bonus a plus one to their
leadership to a maximum of 10 when
making pinning checks
handy there's a lot of pinning in this
edition
rampager squads are taken as troops
choices in this detachment using this
right of war
perfect that's what i was looking for
um and secondly it's a legion predator
squadrons may be taken as fast attack
choices in detachment using this
brighter war there's obviously a bunch
of limitations to the right of war but
that second last line was what i was
looking for turns out world leaders is a
perfect example
because it makes rampages troops it does
not make them
line troops huge distinction in there to
be made
so dark angels have this problem too
with some of their rights of war
multiple legions in fact do
they gain a unit becomes a troops choice
or might become the predominant troops
choice in a force and yet
it's not scoring
so if you take six squads of legion
rampages
as your primary troops choices you've
filled all six troop slots and you have
zero scoring
that's not good now the previous edition
of horus heresy just made it so that hey
if you moved into the troops choice hey
you automatically became scoring not
this edition it's a really big
distinction to make because it could
absolutely you in some games
so keep that in the back of your mind
when again building an army unwisely you
would be doing that you would go out and
you would buy units thinking this is
going to be really cool it's going to be
really helpful and then you get it and
you find out that you've just
essentially wasted your points
so you need to think smart if you're
going to build an army like this you
can't just fill the troops choices with
legion rampages you need to get some
other form of line infantry into there
that can score
and in the previous horus heresy my rule
of thumb was every 500 points you need a
scoring unit
obviously two for the first 1000 points
and then one in every additional 500.
now that used to be easy because you
could say two tactical squads uh and a
terminator squad for example in 1500
because terminators used to be scoring
they had the implacable advance rule
that rule is gone terminator's no longer
scoring
all of a sudden it's you need to add
more troops and that's fine up to 3 000
points at 3 000 points though most
armies will cap out on troops choices
they'll have run out and when they run
out of troops choices
all of a sudden it becomes hang on a
minute how do i get more scoring into my
army you might only have six scoring
units and that
if you've got six 10-man tactical squads
for example at 3 000 points you're
probably going to lose six 10-man
tactical squads
uh before the game is out is it is
punishing in three thousand points just
how quickly power arm will die
especially in this edition
so
keep that in the back of your mind at
all times
another thing to point out uh with this
edition is
well the sheer firepower you see out
there so legion tactical support squads
they are a bad choice very points poor
compared to say legion heavy support
squads
the legion heavy support squads here
they are cheaper you can get 10 with
last cannons for cheaper than you can
buy 10 tactical support with melted guns
to me that is a crucial rules oversight
a major screw up on behalf of forge will
because last cannon's just
four times the range
of melter guns
hits harder than a melter gun unless
you're at point-blank range if you win
six into the multi-gun okay it's a
little bit better against tanks as long
as they don't have some anti-melter
protection some do
why would you do that forge world
games workshop whoever wrote that just
poor and people should take that into
account when they're planning is points
values on things some things are just
not good choices they're not viable
choices to take
and again we're not trying to win all of
our games here i can't stress that point
enough it's not about what's competitive
it's about what can keep up with the
armies around it and you don't want it
to devolve into 40k where it becomes
this sort of
rock paper scissors or i have this this
beats that
type mentality but you also don't want
to end up in a situation where every
single thing in your army is
say
paper and every single thing in their
army is scissors and you just gotta suck
eggs because that's the way the rules
are written and that's how you built
your army so the biggest thing to do
really
is write a bunch of lists before you
even put models on the table top and
start proxying experimenting trying to
figure out how you want to build your
force
build a list write a list try it out and
see if it actually works because people
often find that when they list hammer
out a force and it
fits into the points limit they're
allocated and yet it just doesn't
perform the way they expect
so first and foremost plan ahead and
with that you will also help to plan
your purchases out because you'll find
that units you think are really cool
didn't make it into your list sometimes
or units you thought were really
overpowered you're going you know what i
don't want to take that i found that the
person playing against me didn't like
playing against that maybe i want to
swap it out for something else in my
army list therefore i'm not going to go
and buy one these are all viable choices
for you
anyway that's it from me that's all in
this episode of getting started in the
horace heresy and about what would be
unwise to do
this is more off the cuff than any
episode normally is i i don't script
episodes
as a rule except for what broke the fans
because i need to refer back to dates
and times and places and
previous events and publication dates
almost every video on the channel is
just ad-libbed but there is adwib and
then there's adwib and this is one of
those where someone came up with a
comment a few hours back and i thought
yeah i really want to record that
so i went in here and i just made it up
as i went so not as structured as other
getting started in the horoscopy videos
but
it's it's a little fun content
anyway we'll get back on schedule soon
enough i'm trying to
smash out the salamanders army that i
bought in the box set so 40 tactical
marines two hq's the spartan the ten
terminators the contempt
i have completed one tactical squad both
hq's the spartan contempter is pretty
much built
30 of the marines are also built and
base coated one of those squads is only
a few hours away from being complete
i've done most of the bases for that
army already they're all zone metallus
bases
so i'm should be able to finish the
force inside of the three weeks i
allocated myself the same
as the regular people in the community
are given boxes
so that'll be fun
uh putting up pictures obviously on
instagram especially our instagram link
is in the uh description below the video
as per other episodes
and apart from that i've waffled enough
so i'll let you go thanks everyone for
watching and i'll see you all on the
next one
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