Is the Universe Created from Nothing? The Big Bang Reinterpreted

Rupert Spira
12 Aug 202209:01

Summary

TLDRIn this transcript, the speaker explores the concept of the Big Bang from a metaphysical perspective, suggesting that creation doesn't emerge from time and space but instead exists within a dimensionless consciousness. By drawing parallels with dreaming, where vast experiences of time and space occur without occupying physical dimensions, the speaker challenges conventional scientific views of the Big Bang. They propose that time and space are not inherent in reality, and that consciousness is the fundamental reality, offering a more nuanced interpretation of creation beyond the limitations of the finite mind.

Takeaways

  • 🌌 The speaker initially reflects on the Big Bang and suggests that at every moment, there is a breakthrough in breaking the illusion of time and space.
  • 🌀 During meditation, the speaker experienced collapsing space and time into something smaller than a point, which is mind-blowing and suggests a deeper reality.
  • 🧠 The universe exists within a dimensionless reality, which is pure consciousness, rather than emerging from it.
  • ⏳ The dream analogy is used: when someone dreams, the experiences of time and space (like six months in Paris) take place in a dimensionless mind, not in physical reality.
  • 💡 The speaker proposes that in consciousness, what we perceive as time and space does not occupy actual time or space; this idea is compared to how dreams work.
  • 🌠 The Big Bang, as traditionally understood, may not have taken place 13.8 billion years ago, as time and space are not inherent in reality.
  • 🧘‍♂️ The idea of time and space in dreams serves as a precedent for understanding how time and space might work within consciousness.
  • 🌱 The traditional model of the Big Bang is limited by the finite mind’s ability to represent reality, but it is still useful in practical life.
  • 🌀 The speaker draws on the tantric tradition of Kashmir Shaivism, which suggests the universe expands within a dimensionless presence, which aligns with their view of consciousness.
  • 🌍 The speaker is offering a re-interpretation of the Big Bang that does not assume time and space are fundamental, but instead posits consciousness as the foundational reality.

Q & A

  • What is the speaker's interpretation of the Big Bang in the meditation?

    -The speaker interprets the Big Bang as a continuous event, happening at every moment in the form of breaking through illusions. It signifies collapsing our perceived experience of time and space into a single, dimensionless point.

  • What does the speaker mean by 'collapsing experience'?

    -The speaker refers to the experience where our perception of a vast expanse of space and time is reduced to something smaller than a point. This occurs during a state of deep meditation, where the perception of time and space becomes insignificant.

  • How does the analogy of Mary and Jane relate to the idea of time and space?

    -Mary dreams that she is Jane living in Paris for six months, but when Mary wakes up, she realizes only a minute has passed. This analogy suggests that what seems to take up time and space in a dream (or in the waking world) may actually take up no time or space in the underlying dimensionless consciousness.

  • What does the speaker suggest about the nature of reality and consciousness?

    -The speaker suggests that reality, as we perceive it in terms of time and space, is actually contained within a dimensionless consciousness. Our experience of the universe is a refracted version of this consciousness, much like a dream reflects time and space but exists within a dimensionless mind.

  • How does the concept of creation fit into the speaker's idea of dimensionless consciousness?

    -The speaker proposes that the universe of time and space does not emerge from consciousness but exists within it. Creation, in this sense, is not an event bound by time or space, but an ongoing process within a dimensionless reality.

  • What is the significance of the comparison between waking and dream states?

    -The comparison between waking and dream states illustrates how time and space, which seem real in the dream state, are actually constructs of the mind. Similarly, in the waking state, time and space are constructs within a larger dimensionless consciousness.

  • How does the speaker challenge the traditional Big Bang theory?

    -The speaker challenges the traditional Big Bang theory by suggesting that it is a limited human interpretation of creation. Since time and space are not inherent in reality, the Big Bang, as an event occurring 13.8 billion years ago, is a conceptual model based on the finite mind's understanding, but not an ultimate truth.

  • What alternative model of creation does the speaker propose?

    -The speaker suggests an alternative model where creation does not presuppose the existence of time and space. Instead, creation could be an expansion of a dimensionless presence, as described in the tantric tradition of Kashmir Shaivism, where the universe unfolds within consciousness rather than emerging from it.

  • Why does the speaker believe that time and space are not fundamental in reality?

    -The speaker believes time and space are not fundamental because they are perceived constructs rather than inherent aspects of reality. In the underlying consciousness, time and space are refracted experiences, not absolute dimensions.

  • What role does consciousness play in the perception of time and space?

    -Consciousness is the fundamental reality, and time and space are perceptions that emerge within it. These perceptions are shaped by the mind's faculties, much like how a dream can create the illusion of time and space, although it takes place in a dimensionless reality.

Outlines

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💥 Breaking Through Illusions and the Nature of Reality

The speaker reflects on the concept of the Big Bang, not as a singular event in the distant past, but as a metaphor for continuous moments of breaking through illusions. The meditation experience collapses the vastness of space and time into something smaller than a point, hinting at a deeper truth about the nature of reality. They emphasize that the universe as we perceive it in four dimensions is actually contained within a dimensionless reality of pure consciousness, which doesn't exist within time and space. This idea challenges traditional intellectual views and mirrors the morning meditation experience.

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🌀 The Dream Metaphor: Time and Space in Consciousness

The speaker draws a parallel between the dream state and consciousness, using the example of Mary dreaming of Jane living in Paris for six months. Despite this vivid dream of time and space, it all occurs in a moment in Mary's dimensionless mind. The speaker uses this metaphor to suggest that our waking experience of time and space may similarly occur within the dimensionless realm of consciousness, without taking up any actual time or space. They propose that the Big Bang might not have been an event that happened 13.8 billion years ago but rather a model created by the finite mind to make sense of reality within its limitations.

Mindmap

Keywords

💡Big Bang

The Big Bang in this context is not just the scientific theory of the universe's origin 13.8 billion years ago. Rather, the speaker suggests it as a metaphor for the moment of breakthrough in consciousness. The Big Bang represents the expansion of perception when one collapses the illusion of time and space, realizing that reality exists within a dimensionless state of pure consciousness.

💡Consciousness

Consciousness is presented as the fundamental reality beyond time and space. According to the speaker, consciousness does not exist within the dimensions of time or space, but rather these dimensions emerge within consciousness. The video explores the idea that consciousness is dimensionless and that our perception of the universe as existing in time and space is a refracted experience of this greater reality.

💡Dimensionless Reality

The concept of 'dimensionless reality' refers to a state where there are no spatial or temporal dimensions, aligning with the speaker's idea of pure consciousness. In the video, this is exemplified through the metaphor of dreaming, where vast experiences of time and space (e.g., six months in a dream) are collapsed into a single moment within the mind, which has no dimensions.

💡Illusion

Illusion refers to the false perception of time and space as fundamental aspects of reality. The speaker argues that what we experience as the physical world, with its dimensions of time and space, is a mere illusion refracted through our limited human faculties. Breaking through this illusion allows for the realization of a deeper, dimensionless reality within consciousness.

💡Time and Space

Time and space are described as constructs that are not inherent in reality but are instead perceptual frameworks created by our minds. The video challenges the notion that time and space are fundamental, suggesting that they emerge within consciousness and that the true nature of reality is timeless and spaceless.

💡Dream Metaphor

The dream metaphor illustrates the idea of dimensional collapse. In the dream example, 'Mary' dreams she is 'Jane,' who lives in Paris for six months. However, in Mary's mind, this long period takes only a moment and no physical space. This metaphor is used to explain how our waking experience of time and space is similarly a construct within the dimensionless consciousness.

💡Kashmir Shaivism

Kashmir Shaivism is a philosophical tradition referenced in the video that teaches the universe as an expansion of 'I' or consciousness. The speaker uses this tradition to support the idea that the universe of time and space expands within the dimensionless presence of consciousness, aligning with the message that consciousness is the true reality and time and space are not inherent.

💡Creation Process

The creation process, in the speaker's view, is not a historical event like the Big Bang but rather an ongoing occurrence within consciousness. The universe and all experiences are continuously created within this dimensionless reality, challenging the linear, temporal model of creation suggested by science.

💡Finite Mind

The finite mind refers to the human mind's limited capacity to perceive and comprehend the full nature of reality. The speaker suggests that the finite mind attempts to represent truth in terms that it can understand, such as through the concepts of time and space, but these are ultimately imperfect models of the underlying dimensionless consciousness.

💡Perception

Perception is a central theme, as it is described as the process through which our faculties of thinking and sensing create the illusion of time and space. The video discusses how our perception of reality is refracted through these faculties, leading to a distorted view that can be transcended by recognizing the dimensionless nature of consciousness.

Highlights

The concept of the Big Bang as a continuous process, happening in each moment as we break through the illusion of time and space.

Meditation experience collapsing the sense of vast space and time into something smaller than a point.

Creation doesn’t emerge out of the dimensionless, it exists within it. Time and space are contained within something that has no dimensions.

Pure consciousness has no dimensions and doesn’t exist in time and space; the universe we perceive is contained within this.

The analogy of a dream: Jane’s experience of six months in Paris takes up no time or space in Mary’s dimensionless mind.

Could the experience of time and space in our waking state take place within a dimensionless consciousness, just like a dream within the mind?

In dreams, time and space appear to exist, but they don’t occupy any real space in the mind, suggesting a similar relationship between consciousness and the waking world.

The Big Bang is not an event from 13.8 billion years ago but a human attempt to describe the creation of the universe, limited by our perception of time and space.

Time and space are not part of reality’s inherent fabric; the Big Bang theory is a feeble representation of the creation process based on the finite mind’s limitations.

Tantric tradition of Kashmir Shaivism describes the universe as an expansion of dimensionless presence (I-consciousness), offering an alternative model for creation.

The universe expands within a dimensionless presence, not from it, indicating a deeper understanding of reality beyond the Big Bang.

The practical validity of the Big Bang theory in our lives, despite it not being an accurate representation of reality.

Considering an alternative model of creation that doesn’t rely on time and space being fundamental to reality.

Consciousness is the fundamental reality, not time and space, which changes how we might understand the creation of the universe.

An intellectual model of the Big Bang is valid for practical purposes but falls short of reflecting the true nature of reality as experienced in meditation.

Transcripts

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i like to uh ask one thing when you

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spoke about the big bang

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at first i thought what is he talking

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about

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and

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the only place where i

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the only thing i could

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feel or

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understand was

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that

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at every moment there is a big bang

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happening in terms of breaking through

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the illusion

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what i meant by that it was it was um

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it just the idea just came to me

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spontaneously at the end of the

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meditation that we had

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collapsed

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our experience which seems to take place

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in this vast expanse of space

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yeah and this vast duration of time we

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had collapsed it down

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into something that if we were

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really clear about what we were

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experiencing was smaller than a point

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so

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that's what i was

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trying to that's what this the summary

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of today's meditation when i mentioned

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the big big band that that what we what

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we know of as creation

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comes out of in fact it never comes out

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of it it never leaves it

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it exists within

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this world that we perceive of four

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dimensions

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is contained within something which

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itself has no dimensions

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and that is mind-blowing

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that this universe of four dimensions of

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time and space that we perceive

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its reality has no pure consciousness

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has has no dimensions it does not exist

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in this world of time and space

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that's not just an intellectual idea

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that's what we were experiencing this

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morning

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and in fact the world doesn't the

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universe doesn't emerge out of

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this dimensionless

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point it somehow takes place within it

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let me give you a hint of how to think

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about this

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that when you when mary falls asleep and

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that she's jane on the streets of paris

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um

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jane

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um

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she she used to live in amsterdam she

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moved to to paris and she spent six

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months in paris

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so the dream is

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the six months that jane spent

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in paris but when mary make wakes up she

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looks at her clock and it's one minute

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past midnight

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and she fell asleep it was midnight

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the six months

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that seemed to be real

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from jane's point of view

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took a moment in mary's mind

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how much space or during during

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jane's um

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six months in paris

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she um

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she walked five miles every day

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so over over the six-month period in

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which the dream took place she

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how many miles of that she walked two

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thousand miles

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how much space did that take up in

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mary's mind

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no none

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how can something that took a moment

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in mary's mind and took up no space at

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all

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appear to jane

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as

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time and space on the streets of paris

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it was jane's perceiving faculties to

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jane's faculties of perceiving and

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thinking

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that refracted

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mary's dimensionless mind and made it

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appear as time and space

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in paris

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but the dream didn't take place outside

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mary's mind the dream took place in this

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dimensionless

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mind of mary and yet from jane's point

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of view

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it seemed to consistent of

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thousands of miles and six months of

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time

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so could it be you transpose that

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we've gone down from the waking state to

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the dream state go transpose it up from

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the waking state to consciousness

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could it be that in consciousness

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what we experience at this level one

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level down could it be that what we

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experience as time and space

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doesn't take up any time and space in

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consciousness

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that's what we were experiencing this

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morning

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and it's not that

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the time and space that we experience

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emerges out of consciousness jane's

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experience doesn't take place outside

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mary's mind it takes place inside mary's

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dimensionless mind

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how can a period of six months take

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place in something that has no

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dimensions but it's our experience

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that's what happens every night when we

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have a dream when we go docking state to

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the dream state we'll just go up from

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the waking state to consciousness and

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consider the possibility that what we

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experience of time and space does not

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take place in any

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has no dimensions

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for the reality of our experience which

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is consciousness

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it's not even

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in other words there is a precedent from

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what i am saying in experience i'm not

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suggesting some extraordinary

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theory

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that we have no knowledge of we all

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dream

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of time and space

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every night so there are innumerable

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instances

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of this

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of of time and space in the dream

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appearing

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in something that has no dimensions in

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the waking state so so

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all i'm doing is taking a known

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phenomena of experience and

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extrapolating it one level up from the

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waking state to consciousness

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so in this case the the

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the big bang

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would not be an event that took place

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13.8 billion years ago

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because time and space are not

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part of the fabric of reality

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they aren't inherent in reality

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so the

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this model of big bang the big bang

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taking place

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13.8 billion years ago is just

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the human mind's feeble attempt at

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articulating what really takes place to

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create creation process in a way that's

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consistent with its own limitations

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and there's nothing else the finite mind

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can do it it's just to find that man

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representing

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trying to represent truth on its own

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terms

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but could could we try to find a more

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accurate not a completely accurate there

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are no accurate models of reality but a

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more accurate model of reality

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and when the

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tantric in the tantric tradition of

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kashmir shaibism they say

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the the the universe is an expansion

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of i i being consciousness this

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dimensionless presence and the universe

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expands the universe of time and space

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expands within this dimensionless

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presence could this be what they were

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referring to

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so

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that's what i i meant i'm not suggesting

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that it's not valid

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to conceive of the big bang taking place

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13.8 billion years ago that there is a

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validity to that to that model it's not

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an accurate model but it's still

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valuable

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for um

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but you still have some some some

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validity

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in in terms of our practical

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lives

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but it's not an accurate model of

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reality what i was trying to do today

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was to come a little bit closer

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to try and try and consider

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what the creation of the universe might

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be if we take out time and space if we

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realize time and space are not inherent

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in reality

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could we have an alternative

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model of of creation that doesn't

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presuppose the existence of time and

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space being fundamental in reality

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if we consider consciousness the

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fundamental reality not time and space

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then how could we reinterpret

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the the big bang theory yes

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it's very interesting

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thank you

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