Caedrel's Thoughts On The Potential Worlds Meta
Summary
TLDRIn this video transcript, the discussion revolves around the potential meta for the upcoming League of Legends World Championship. The participants speculate on which champions might dominate, with Yone being a likely pick, and AP mids like Orianna and Sylas potentially rising due to jungle changes. They also discuss the impact of recent nerfs on champions like Rumble and how the meta might shift, with Jarvan IV and Jinx emerging as strong picks. The conversation touches on the strategies and preparations of various teams, including the challenges of scrim quality and jet lag for international teams.
Takeaways
- 🔮 The meta for Worlds is uncertain, but Yone is speculated to be a high pick.
- 📈 The jungle changes might lead to an increase in AP mids, with champions like Sylas and Orianna potentially rising in the meta.
- 🏆 The conversation suggests that champions like Twisted Fate, Silas, and Ahri could be strong picks at Worlds.
- 📊 Solo queue statistics are used to predict the meta, with high win rate champions like Orianna, Silas, LeBlanc, and Twisted Fate being highlighted.
- 🛡️ Supportive mids like Taliyah and Ahri are considered strong, and Jarvan IV's strength is debated due to the potential rise of AD junglers.
- 🗡️ Katarina is not considered an S-tier pick, and Garen is mentioned as a counter to LeBlanc.
- 🛑 Recent nerfs to champions like Rumble and Miss Fortune are discussed, with concerns about their impact on the Worlds meta.
- 🚀 The script mentions that champions like Jarvan IV and Jinx could be meta picks due to buffs or other champions' nerfs.
- 🌐 The impact of regional teams staying in their regions for practice and the potential for different meta developments is discussed.
- ⏰ The timing of team preparations for Worlds and the challenges of adjusting to jet lag and finding quality scrims are highlighted.
Q & A
What is the discussion about in the transcript?
-The discussion is about the potential meta for the League of Legends World Championship, including champion tier lists, potential picks, and the impact of recent balance changes on the game.
Who is Yon mentioned in the transcript?
-Yon is likely a reference to Yone, a champion in League of Legends, who is being discussed as a potential pick for Worlds due to the current meta.
What does 'pck' stand for in the context of the transcript?
-In the context of the transcript, 'pck' likely stands for 'pick', referring to the selection of champions in the game.
What does 'meta' mean in the context of this discussion?
-In the context of this discussion, 'meta' refers to the most effective tactics available, or the most powerful strategies or champions in the current state of the game.
What changes are being discussed that might affect the Worlds meta?
-The changes being discussed include balance updates to champions like Katarina, LeBlanc, and Smolder Ziggs, as well as broader jungle changes that could impact the AD jungle meta.
Why is the jungle change significant according to the discussion?
-The jungle change is significant because it could lead to a rise in AP mid laners becoming meta due to the way the changes affect jungle gameplay and its knock-on effect on other roles.
What does 'Solo Q' refer to in the transcript?
-'Solo Q' refers to solo queue, the normal game mode in League of Legends where players are matched against others of similar skill level without pre-made teams.
Why is the pick rate of champions important in the discussion?
-The pick rate of champions is important because it indicates which champions are popular and successful in the current meta, which can influence drafting strategies at Worlds.
What nerfs are mentioned that could affect the Worlds meta?
-The nerfs mentioned include base health reduction for Smolder Ziggs, AP reduction on his Q, and minion damage reduction for push-outs, which could affect his early game strength.
What is the significance of the '3A debuff' mentioned in the transcript?
-The '3A debuff' likely refers to a debuff that affects attack speed, which could significantly impact champions who rely heavily on auto-attacks, such as Vayne.
Why is the discussion about the Worlds meta important for professional teams?
-The discussion about the Worlds meta is important for professional teams because understanding the strongest champions and strategies can give them an advantage in drafting and gameplay during the tournament.
Outlines
🎮 Worlds Meta Predictions and Champion Analysis
The speaker discusses the potential meta for the League of Legends World Championship, speculating on which champions might be strong. They mention Yon as a possible top pick, and discuss the impact of jungle changes on the meta, suggesting that AP mids could become more prevalent. They also ponder the possibility of champions like Scarner, Vgo, and VI being influential, and consider the likelihood of picks like Rice and Syra. The conversation touches on the importance of solo queue performance as an indicator of potential meta trends, highlighting champions like Oriana, Silas, LeBlanc, and TF that have seen a surge in win rates. The speaker also debates the strength of certain champions like Katarina and Garen, and the potential for LeBlanc to be a counter pick.
📉 Impact of Recent Balance Changes on Champions
In this paragraph, the speaker delves into the effects of recent balance changes on various champions. They express concern over the nerfs to Rumble, noting a significant drop in his win rate due to reduced early game damage. The conversation also covers the impact of nerfs on Nasus, with a drop in pick rate and win rate, and the effects on champions like MF and Bas. The speaker speculates on how these changes might influence the meta, with some champions becoming less viable and others potentially rising in prominence. They also discuss the potential for certain champions to remain strong despite nerfs, and the strategic implications for teams heading into Worlds.
🏆 Preparing for Worlds and Scrimming Strategies
The speaker discusses the preparations for the World Championship, focusing on the strategies teams might employ in terms of scrimming and adapting to the meta. They mention that LCK and LPL teams will stay in their regions until shortly before Worlds to avoid jet lag, while EU and NA teams will have to make do with scrimming each other. The speaker suggests that EU and NA teams might find unique strategies due to limited interaction with other regions but also expresses concern about the quality of practice. They also touch on the idea of boot camps and the potential benefits and drawbacks of traveling to Korea for practice sessions, ultimately suggesting that staying in the EU and focusing on solo queue might be more beneficial.
🗓 Timeline and Logistics for Worlds
In the final paragraph, the speaker briefly discusses the timeline and logistics surrounding the World Championship. They note the late lock-in of the final team for Worlds in Korea and the proximity of the event's start, suggesting that the schedule is unusually tight. This leads to a reflection on the potential challenges teams might face in terms of preparation and adaptation to the event's demands.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Meta
💡Champion
💡Patch
💡Solo Queue
💡Tier List
💡Counter Pick
💡Jungle
💡Pick Rate
💡Nerf
💡Buff
💡Scrim
Highlights
Discussion on the potential meta for the Worlds tournament, with a focus on champion picks and strategies.
Yon is predicted to be a high priority pick due to his versatility and impact on the game.
AP junglers might become meta due to changes in the jungle, influencing the drafting of AP mids.
Champions like Scarner, VGO, and VI are expected to see playtime at Worlds.
Rice is speculated to be a strong pick at Worlds, potentially leading to Syra or Oriana being drafted.
The meta could either remain the same or shift significantly due to the large changes in the game.
Solo queue performance is used as a measure to predict which champions might be meta at Worlds.
High win rate champions in the new patch include Oriana, Silas, LeBlanc, and TF, indicating potential meta picks.
The impact of the meta on specific teams and players is discussed, such as Knight and his champion pool.
Nerfs to champions like Smolder, Ziggs, and Rumble are analyzed for their potential impact on the Worlds meta.
The discussion of how the meta might evolve, with champions like Jarvan and VGO potentially becoming strong picks.
The potential for surprise picks from teams that don't have access to scrims with Korean and Chinese teams.
The debate on the value of Korean boot camps for teams like Team Liquid, considering the timing and jet lag.
The late finalization of the Korean team for Worlds and its implications for preparation and strategy.
The potential for top laners like Nar and Riven to remain strong in the top lane meta.
The impact of nerfs on champions like Jack and how they affect the win rates and pick rates.
The discussion on how the meta might affect specific players and their preferred champions, such as Viper and his comfort with Jinx.
Transcripts
what will be the meta for worlds uh I
don't know I think yeah yon will
probably be the highest
pry did you see ls's worlds tier list no
I didn't King it me you think zigs is
going to be op at
Worlds you think Swain's
op Karma oh he made it with APPA
ah yeah I don't think Katarina is an S
tier counter pick is
she Garen I guess against n is
sure he hates LeBlanc doesn't he yeah i
a l I disagree
with my opinion of the mid meta is yon
will be 100% pck
Ben and I think if ad jungle meta is
popping up because of the the jungle
change then AP mids will become meta and
I wonder if drafts will look like
scarner
vgo
um VI
will give birth to Champs like
TF
Silas
uh Ari Talia jarvin will be
strong um I think rice might be a pick
at Worlds and if rice is meta then Syra
could be good or Oriana if if Ari is is
meta then Leandra could be meta feel
like this might be where the meta goes
the meta either stays the exact same or
it goes this direction which I feel like
it's
possible cuz the changes are so big
already on Soul yeah I think already on
soul will be a big pick for worlds as
well maybe not sure but uh yeah I think
highest present chance when you do your
picks I would put yon very
safe cuz like if you look at how solo
Q's been going actually on the new
patch High win rate Champs Oriana Silas
LeBlanc
TF I mean their win rates have just been
skyrocketing look at that look at the
pick rate as well and if tf's meta that
means syas is meta Oriana's pick rate
skyrocketed as
well and solo Q is the only measure you
have to go off
right I would look at Diamond Plus
though um obviously there's some things
you have to ignore did I just grief it
patch 148
mid yeah Aurora will be mid meta
obviously uh Talia is good yeah these
are all supportive SL mag mids
right Ari yeah I think this will be the
direction The Meta goes and then you'll
see Champs like jarvin be strong I think
jarvin vgo maybe the Champs that's yeah
vgo that that suit
them I think this will be the direction
it goes I mean I I think seani will
still be meta as
well or will be enabled for worlds
yeah CH what were the counters to Aurora
what were people picking into
Aurora and it's so hard to say that
Champ's name Aurora [ __ ] my my mouth is
getting rolled what people what were
people picking into it Mages
or Gallo syndra oh yeah Leandra e can
probably get out of Aurora ult
right but don't you just get mega
outrange and Lane and get [ __ ] poke
down yeah smolder man I hate the I hate
the fact that playoffs in LP on LSK was
run by smolder zigs and we're going to
get to Worlds and I I presume that
they're not going to be picked at
all Health down
by 30 30 base Health down hurts his
early Lane a little bit they took AP off
his Q which is fine he just don't go lri
I guess just go crit they took five base
damage off glob damage they took
five base off as well and they reduce
the minion monster damage for push outs
yeah maybe smaller is actually fine
passive damage to structures is
decreased it's half are these neres
strong enough I guess the fleet Nerf
hurts smaller as well a lot maybe
smolder Z are not that bad you just go
grasp on smolder right
yeah oh my my
god when did the fatch come out the 11th
so three days ago so the last three days
everyone's going
grasp three or four days and everyone's
going grasp already or what he doesn't
like no one's even building laries
really either there's one
two I me they're not getting to late
game in the first place right but
everyone's just playing crits smaller
anyway so it's B base heals down a tiny
bit but I don't know if that's going to
matter too
much the Q damage five down base a
smaller just going to be op for worlds
as well man I swear
man uh I think Rumble is dead though
right like this hurts his early Lane so
much like the base damage on his Q is
down by like 20 to 15 base
early like Rumble is [ __ ] right his
his early Lane sucks obviously Rumble VI
with Rumble is still good but his early
Lane is so
bad what happened to rumble wiater it
tanked like [ __ ] he's at 48% win rate
right now they took 3% win rate off
Rumble with that Nerf my God his win
rate got absolutely [ __ ] gutted what
about in high higho yeah in higho is
also kind of gutted how did real get
hurt by the
Nerfs not not that
much think ra being met at Worlds is big
problem for T1
nasus I'm just curious what the the the
win rates
are NASA pick rate dropped off a cliff
it halfed everyone just dropped
it his win rate went from 51 to
50 base ad down base ad actually is
underrated how much it hurts I guess
misfortune's probably oh my God what
she went from 53% win rate almost 54 to
50% wait MF fell off a cliff as well
what she went from 15% pick rate to
eight yeah Bas a Nerfs hurt a
lot Bas ad for any AD carry even like
Graves jungle is [ __ ]
horrendous oh
maai yeah the BT Nerfs hurt as well maai
pick rate didn't get changed much though
not the worst no one plays maai in Solo
anyway Lilia Nerf I don't think is that
bad my God it is that bad well it's 3%
she's still strong
though 51.4% is still not bad
52% it's not dead but yeah I mean I mean
Lilia MF was a thing right base armor
decreases hurt a lot this actually is a
big Nerf because if you play Leona
versus rata now in lane four armor off
when they're just [ __ ] auto attacking
you to the ground say the range supports
for Leona Now is really difficult Q slow
e bonus move I feel like any any
movement speed increases like Q slow for
example on his to disguise what this
helps a lot with is it doesn't help with
chasing it helps with auto spacing like
asj if you Hammer form que them in lane
and then Swap and then like space them
with your form it's
crazy same with the
E so like pro pro pro players might
benefit from that R armor Mr onit damage
and Champion well the Jack Buffs armor
granted is up magic resist is up on hit
magic damage is up his win rate went
down because his pick rate went
up so people were like oh Jack is op and
they all locked it in and started losing
because they're not Jax meanss then it
started evening out when everyone
started giving up playing
JS Shield base a is increased for Nar
that's nice Cory Q damage decrease R
damage decrease that hurts damage
decrease Aurora e damage what else was
there vgo got buffed a bit on his ad
which is huge I mean vgo I'm guessing
with the 3A debuff that was vgo the [ __ ]
did I just write in like for example 3A
debuff how big is that what else the
debuff bonus damage to monsters is down
but 3 a is Mega his pick rate
skyrocketed
his win rate only went up a tiny bit the
ban rate in soloy also skyrocketed armor
growth increased Q damage increased bro
I think sinza is such a nice champ I
love that champ is went down from the
Buffs or what it went up
down sitting at a really high win
rate zeri passive damage bro did zeri
just get gutted into the
ground she went from 51.5% win rate to
48.7
Jesus I mean the BT Nerfs probably hurt
her as well
right yeah the max Health being reduced
on her passive
HTS zigs did is zigs being played much
in Solo it probably didn't affect him
that
much because they don't really use zigs
in Solo Cube for getting towers do
they didn't do anything to zigs nothing
happened look at jvin rate he got 1%
passive damage right what
so you're telling
me he lost 1% oh wait it went up I
thought he lost it he got 1% extra
passive damage bro I'm telling you
jarvin is the [ __ ] pick of Worlds
this might be a mega pick because
especially when Champs like Zer are
nerfed right any IM any mobile ads that
get nerfed and any immobile ads that get
buffed like Jinx jarvan's position in
the draft just becomes even
better Jinx ra went up a time tiny bit
wow Jinx is sitting at what the [ __ ] in
master tier plus she's sitting at
54% what I mean she's always high in
Solo CU but she's number one number two
why is Lucian ad So High Poppy support
is S Plus tier Nami is buffed or what is
that why lucian's winning every game or
huh what happened to Lucian Nami this
meta is going to be
weird I think blg is winning hardcore on
this meta the only problem is like for
example azir falling out of the meta is
great for Knight like his champion pool
is great he doesn't play azir azir's
Gone way is like the ad jungler CEO vgo
[ __ ] leing zenzal VI
jarvin he loves those Champs he's not
he's it's not that he's bad on AP Champs
but like when he was in RNG this was
just his met right World 22 like he just
mained it he mained it
he meanss that
[ __ ] also Ari Buffs are great for
Knight is uh everything's everything's
good for him this is good for Knight
Knight and we get big wins from this
also elk I think is
fine elk is good at everything he can
play
anything AOS chinx popped TI most
plates yeah I think blg is in a good
spot to win Worlds this year here peanut
is not too upset about this meta he
likes vgo I think Zea is not too upset
with Ari being
meta with Silas being
meta Talia he's fine with
that I think Viper's pretty happy with
it
too 71% Jinx 21
games yeah don't think Viper's too bit
bothered think top meta is probably
still quite similar no cuz Nar rington
Canon Top Lane meta looks like it's not
changed at
all the only difference is Fleet
Nerfs however that affects any of the
Champs
there and there's probably less Lane
swaps oh yeah Jack Buffs but people are
still playing Jax I mean JX was played
today Doran played JX in the
finals uh zus played Jax
today bin plays Jacks but he didn't bin
didn't play that much checks this year
actually or the split he has one Jack
game but I mean he can bust it out
whenever everyone's been playing Jack
already yeah so T1 has a a media day on
the 20th of August or the 22nd of August
I don't think the L the problem the
problem that EU and and a
have yeah is the lck and the LPL teams
will stay in China and
Korea or August sorry SE October
September sorry uh they're going to stay
in China and Korea until like 3 days
before world to avoid jet lag and scrim
each other so the EU and na teams just
have to scrim each other until 3 days
before Swiss stage starts and then these
mother suckers Rock
up it's a
horror it's a good and a bad thing the
good thing is that maybe EU and a find
something that Korea and China don't and
we have surprise picks the bad thing is
the quality of practice is probably
worse
right team liquid's going to Korea bro
I'm a big advocate for um Korean boot
camp
but I just don't think it's worth it
it's the 14th yeah let's say they got to
Korea 4 days ago you go to Korea for 20
days and
scrim you have to adjust to jet lag and
then readjust to jet lag oh they're
going to Netherlands they're going to I
feel like if you have a if you have like
a month and a half or worlds is in Korea
obviously going there early is great but
I think just going there adjusting to
jet lag for three or four days and
coming back adjusting like 3 or four
days you get like a week and a half of
scrims the teams also probably don't
want to scrim you or you you're not
guaranteed the best scrims I think just
better to settle into EU play EU solo Q
get the cre the solo Q accounts up high
low it's not worth for Korean boot camps
also it's kind of crazy that Korea just
locked its final team for worlds and
world starts
in what 11 days the [ __ ] I know they're
not playing swiss but it's kind of odd
so late it's so
late uh so early sorry well it's late
that they played but
yeah but I guess last year was just it
just took forever because of [ __ ] um
Asia Games
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