Deprogramming-Reprogramming Workflow

Medit Academy
6 Aug 202446:42

Summary

TLDRIn this educational webinar, Dr. Hector F and Jenny from the Education team at Madden explore the concepts of deprogramming and reprogramming in dental treatment. They discuss the use of anterior bite splints for diagnosing joint issues, stabilizing joints, relaxing muscles, and adjusting bites. The presentation covers the design, printing, and integration of these devices into comprehensive treatment plans, emphasizing the importance of patient education and expectation management. Real-life case studies illustrate the effectiveness of deprogrammers in complex dental cases, highlighting the role of these tools in achieving optimal occlusal harmony.

Takeaways

  • 😀 Deprogramming and reprogramming are techniques used to alter a patient's bite, with deprogramming aimed at making the patient's muscles 'forget' their usual bite position to allow for a new bite to be established.
  • 🔧 The use of deprogrammers is a diagnostic tool to assess the health of the temporomandibular joint (TMJ) and to determine if there are any issues that need to be addressed.
  • 🦷 Deprogrammers can help in various dental treatments such as orthodontics, full mouth rehabilitation, and in cases where patients exhibit heavy bruxism or have muscle symptoms.
  • 👨‍⚕️ Dr. Hector F alone discusses his experience with deprogramming and reprogramming, emphasizing the importance of understanding when and why to use these techniques in dental practice.
  • 🛠️ Anterior bite deprogrammers, like NTI and BPL devices, are designed to be worn by patients to help in the deprogramming process, and they can be customized using digital tools like Med splint.
  • ⏱️ The time it takes for a patient to deprogram can vary widely, from minutes to weeks, depending on the individual's muscle activity and other factors.
  • 💡 Deprogrammers can serve as a starting point in complex dental cases, helping to establish a new bite position that can guide subsequent orthodontic or restorative treatments.
  • 🤔 Patient expectations should be managed when using deprogrammers, as the bite change they experience may be temporary and will require further treatment for long-term stability.
  • 🗓️ Deprogrammers can be integrated into a comprehensive treatment plan, helping to diagnose, treat, and protect the patient's bite in a step-by-step process.
  • 📈 The use of AI in dental software, like Med splint, is advancing the ease and speed of designing deprogrammers, potentially leading to more automated and precise outcomes in the future.
  • 📚 The webinar format provides an opportunity for continuing education on topics like deprogramming and reprogramming, with real-case examples and discussions on best practices.

Q & A

  • What is the main purpose of using deprogrammers and reprogrammers in dental treatment?

    -The main purpose of using deprogrammers and reprogrammers in dental treatment is to help patients forget their habitual bite patterns and reprogram their bite into a new, more suitable position. This process is particularly useful for diagnosing joint issues, checking joint stability, relaxing muscles, and establishing a starting point for complex dental cases.

  • What is the difference between deprogramming and reprogramming in the context of dental treatment?

    -Deprogramming refers to the process of making the patient's muscles and joints forget their usual positions and movements, which can be influenced by muscle memory. Reprogramming, on the other hand, is the process of guiding the patient's muscles and joints into a new, therapeutically desired position after deprogramming.

  • How can deprogramming help in diagnosing joint problems?

    -Deprogramming helps in diagnosing joint problems by allowing the practitioner to observe changes in the patient's bite and joint behavior when the usual muscle memory is disrupted. If there are issues within the joint, the patient's response to deprogramming can provide valuable diagnostic information.

  • What is the role of scanning technology in the creation of deprogrammers and reprogrammers?

    -Scanning technology plays a crucial role in creating deprogrammers and reprogrammers by providing an accurate digital impression of the patient's mouth. This digital data can then be used to design and fabricate customized dental appliances, such as splints, which can be used for deprogramming and reprogramming purposes.

  • Why is it important to manage patient expectations when using deprogrammers?

    -Managing patient expectations is important because deprogrammers can temporarily alter the patient's bite, which may cause discomfort or changes in their daily life. Patients need to understand that these devices are part of a larger treatment plan and that their bite will eventually be reprogrammed to a new, more suitable position.

  • How can deprogrammers be used in cases involving orthodontics or full mouth rehabilitation?

    -Deprogrammers can be used in orthodontics or full mouth rehabilitation to establish a neutral starting point for treatment. By deprogramming the patient's bite, the practitioner can more accurately assess the patient's jaw position and muscle activity, which can then be used to inform the design of orthodontic appliances or the planning of full mouth rehabilitation.

  • What are some common types of deprogrammers mentioned in the script?

    -Some common types of deprogrammers mentioned in the script include anterior bite splints, NTI (Nociceptive Trigeminal Inhibition) appliances, BPL (Bite Plane Lip) devices, and Co programmers. These devices work by creating an interior stop or by keeping the teeth apart to facilitate deprogramming.

  • How can the design of a deprogrammer be customized using digital tools?

    -The design of a deprogrammer can be customized using digital tools by adjusting the shape, size, and position of the appliance to fit the patient's specific needs. This can include adding retention features, extending the appliance towards the back of the mouth, or modifying the occlusive surface to ensure comfort and effectiveness.

  • What factors should be considered when deciding whether to use a deprogrammer on the upper or lower arch?

    -Factors to consider when deciding whether to use a deprogrammer on the upper or lower arch include the patient's existing dental work, such as crowns or partial dentures, the presence of any mobile or compromised teeth, and the antagonistic relationship between the upper and lower arches.

  • How can deprogrammers be integrated into a comprehensive treatment plan?

    -Deprogrammers can be integrated into a comprehensive treatment plan by using them as a diagnostic tool to determine the patient's optimal jaw position and muscle activity. Once the patient has been deprogrammed, the practitioner can then design a treatment plan that includes orthodontics, full mouth rehabilitation, or other restorative procedures to reprogram the patient's bite into a new, more suitable position.

Outlines

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😀 Introduction to Deprogramming and Reprogramming in Dentistry

The paragraph introduces a webinar on deprogramming and reprogramming in dental practices, focusing on the importance of forgetting the old bite and creating a new one. Jenny from the Education team at Madden welcomes the attendees and is joined by Dr. Hector F. They discuss the agenda for the webinar, which includes understanding the difference between deprogramming and reprogramming, the use of deprogrammers, and live demonstrations. The conversation highlights the goal of the webinar to educate dentists on these techniques and their applications in patient treatment.

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🛠️ Deprogramming Devices and Their Clinical Applications

This section delves into the specifics of deprogramming devices, such as anterior bite splints, and their use in diagnosing joint problems and ensuring joint stability. Dr. Hector explains the importance of these devices in relaxing muscles and establishing a starting point for complex dental cases. He also shares his professional background, emphasizing his experience with occlusion and joint health, and discusses the potential of scanning technology in dental practices for efficiency and patient comfort.

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🦷 Understanding the Importance of Joint Health in Deprogramming

The paragraph discusses the significance of joint health in the deprogramming process. It explains the anatomy of the temporomandibular joint (TMJ) and the role of muscles in its function. The text emphasizes that deprogramming devices help diagnose issues within the joint and ensure it is in the correct position. It also touches on the concept of muscle memory and how patients' brains remember their usual bite positions, which may not be ideal.

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🔧 Methods and Techniques for Deprogramming Patients

This section explores various methods and devices used for deprogramming patients, including midpoint splints and devices that keep the teeth apart. It discusses the importance of the position of the device in the mouth for effective deprogramming and mentions specific brands and types of deprogramming devices. The paragraph also covers how to design these devices using dental software and the considerations for printing them, ensuring they provide adequate support and retention.

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📏 Selection Criteria for Deprogramming Devices

The paragraph outlines the criteria for selecting appropriate deprogramming devices, considering factors such as the duration of use, the health of the patient's joints, and the presence of any dental restorations or dental appliances. It also addresses the importance of managing patient expectations and the potential need for alternative treatments if the deprogramming devices do not provide the desired results.

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👥 Patient Expectations and Management of Deprogramming

This section discusses the expectations patients may have when using deprogramming devices and the potential experiences they might encounter, such as muscle tension, facial relaxation, and changes in their bite. It emphasizes the importance of informing patients about these changes and planning subsequent treatments to address any bite discrepancies that may arise after deprogramming.

30:10

📚 Integrating Deprogramming into Comprehensive Treatment Plans

The paragraph illustrates how deprogramming can be integrated into a comprehensive dental treatment plan, using simple and complex case examples. It demonstrates the process of using deprogramming devices to adjust a patient's bite and the subsequent steps taken to address the new bite position, such as extractions, orthodontics, or full-mouth rehabilitation.

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⏱️ Duration of Deprogramming and Patient Variability

This section addresses the variability in the duration of deprogramming among patients, which can range from minutes to weeks, depending on individual muscle activity and the complexity of the case. It highlights the importance of patient assessment and the potential need for adjustments or referrals to specialists for more complex cases.

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🔄 Conclusion and Recommendations for Deprogramming Practice

The final paragraph summarizes the key points of the webinar, emphasizing the benefits of deprogramming in diagnosing joint health, managing muscle tension, and serving as a starting point for complex dental cases. It concludes with recommendations for the practical application of deprogramming in dental practice, including the importance of reprogramming the patient's bite after deprogramming to ensure long-term stability.

45:12

📨 Closing Remarks and Invitation for Further Questions

The closing paragraph wraps up the webinar with an invitation for attendees to ask further questions and provide feedback. It acknowledges the informative nature of the lecture and expresses openness to addressing more in-depth questions or organizing additional webinars on the topic of anterior deprogrammers.

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Keywords

💡Deprogramming

Deprogramming in the context of the video refers to the process of resetting a patient's bite and muscle memory to a neutral position, which is essential for proper dental treatment, especially in cases of misaligned bites or joint issues. It is a crucial step before reprogramming the patient's bite to a new, healthier position. The script mentions using deprogrammers to help diagnose joint problems and to relax muscles, indicating its importance in dental treatment planning.

💡Reprogramming

Reprogramming is the subsequent step after deprogramming, where the patient's bite is adjusted to a new position that is in harmony with the functional movement of the jaw. This concept is vital for ensuring long-term stability and comfort in dental treatments, such as orthodontics or full-mouth rehabilitations. The video discusses reprogramming as a means to create a new bite that is comfortable and functional for the patient.

💡Splints

Splints in dentistry are devices used to alter or protect a patient's bite. In the video, splints are discussed as tools for deprogramming and reprogramming, helping to diagnose joint issues and muscle tension. They can be designed using digital tools and 3D printed for a precise fit. The script mentions various types of splints, such as NTI, BPL, and Co programmers, which serve different purposes in bite adjustment.

💡Anterior Bite

Anterior bite refers to the way the front teeth of the upper and lower jaws come together. It is a critical aspect of dental occlusion and is often the focus of deprogramming and reprogramming efforts. The video emphasizes the importance of anterior bite in achieving a proper and comfortable bite, especially when using devices like deprogrammers and reprogrammers.

💡Muscle Memory

Muscle memory is the phenomenon where the muscles remember and tend to return to a certain position or pattern of movement. In dentistry, this concept is important because patients' habitual bite patterns can affect the success of dental treatments. The script discusses how deprogramming aims to reset this muscle memory to facilitate a new, healthier bite.

💡Dental Occlusion

Dental occlusion is the way the teeth fit together when the jaw is closed. It is a fundamental aspect of oral health and function. The video discusses occlusion in the context of deprogramming and reprogramming, where the goal is to achieve an optimal occlusion that reduces strain on the jaw muscles and temporomandibular joints.

💡3D Printing

3D printing is a manufacturing process used to create three-dimensional objects from digital models. In the video, 3D printing is mentioned as a method for fabricating dental splints, which are custom-made to fit a patient's teeth. This technology allows for precise and comfortable fit, which is essential for effective deprogramming and reprogramming treatments.

💡Temporomandibular Joint (TMJ)

The temporomandibular joint is the joint that connects the jaw to the skull and is central to the function of the jaw. The video discusses the importance of assessing the health of the TMJ when using deprogrammers and reprogrammers, as any issues with the joint can affect the success of dental treatments and the patient's comfort.

💡Orthodontics

Orthodontics is a branch of dentistry that focuses on the diagnosis, prevention, and treatment of dental and facial irregularities. In the video, orthodontics is mentioned as a potential treatment that may follow deprogramming, where the teeth are aligned to improve occlusion and overall oral health.

💡Full Mouth Rehabilitation

Full mouth rehabilitation is a comprehensive dental treatment plan that aims to restore and improve the function and aesthetics of a patient's mouth. The video discusses using deprogrammers as a starting point for such complex cases, where multiple dental issues need to be addressed simultaneously.

Highlights

Introduction to the concept of deprogramming and reprogramming in dental treatment, focusing on changing a patient's bite.

The importance of deprogramming for patients with heavy bruxism or undergoing orthodontic treatment.

Use of anterior bite splints, like NTI and BPL, for deprogramming and their design process using Med splint app.

The role of deprogramming in diagnosing joint problems and ensuring joint stability before treatment.

Explanation of how deprogramming helps in relaxing muscles and serves as a starting point for complex dental cases.

The significance of scanning in dental clinics for reducing impression material distortion and time efficiency.

Advantages of using digital scanning over traditional impression methods for immediate evaluation and storage.

Different types of deprogrammers and their specific uses, including LIF Gates, NTI, and BPL devices.

The process of designing and adjusting deprogrammers using AI in dental software to fit patients' needs.

Indications for using deprogrammers, such as in cases of muscle symptoms or before full mouth rehabilitation.

Discussion on patient expectations when using deprogrammers and managing potential discomfort or pain.

Integration of deprogramming and reprogramming in comprehensive treatment plans for complex dental cases.

Demonstration of a simple case where deprogramming led to the extraction of wisdom teeth and symptom relief.

Presentation of a complex case involving multiple treatments and the use of deprogrammers to achieve a stable bite.

The variability in the time it takes for patients to deprogram, depending on muscle activity and individual response.

Recommendations for managing patient expectations and the importance of reprogramming after deprogramming.

Conclusion emphasizing the value of deprogramming and reprogramming in dental treatment for diagnosis and treatment planning.

Transcripts

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yeah so what we're trying to do is make

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them forget where the bite is used to

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go and then once we know that the

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patient is deprogrammed then we need to

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reprogram the patient into a new bite

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that we're going to be

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creating hello everyone thank you for

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joining us today my name is Jenny and

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I'm a part of Education team at Madden

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nice to meet you everyone and today we

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have Dr Hector F alone hi

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good to see you yenny yeah all good

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thank

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you so how have you been doing all good

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oh good we we're really working on this

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so I think this webinar is going to be

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really interesting for everyone it's a

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kind of part two of a part one that we

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did so is a is a continuing education

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really no yeah last time I asked you uh

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the difference between deprogramming and

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reprogramming and Dr Hector prepared a

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very interesting topic this time yeah

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thank you so many dentists will be so

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eager to learn more about it

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yeah I I hope it's interesting I think

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it's a is a really broad topic and I try

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to concentrate the part of De

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programming we're going to talk about it

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I think it's and the good thing is we're

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going to do like a live session so we're

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going to do it now I think that's going

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to be really interesting as well yeah

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yeah from this time I'll be attending

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the lecture together from the beginning

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and I'll be asking the question on the

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behalf of the listeners yeah that's good

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thank you yeah Sher your St dror

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yeah great so thank you for joining me

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today uh Jenny thank you very much for

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um helping me with those webinars we'll

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be talking today a bit more about

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splints we already did talk about splint

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last time and these are the kind of

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splin that we had before uh I don't know

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I'm going to see if we can uh see

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something can you see the laser yeah I

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can that's great so with this laser I'll

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be pointing a few things that I think uh

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the attendees will be looking at and we

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can see together where this presentation

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is pointing so those are the kind of

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split that we talked about last time

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this time I'll be talking a bit more

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about de programmers so the de

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programmers are going to be showing a

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workflow the work that I use we're going

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to see when and why we're going to be

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using these kind of D programmers this

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is some uh anterior bites um that Med

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splint app can do so those are the kind

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of splints that you can do as D

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programmers with a platform in the

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front and I'll be showing how to do them

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um how to design them as well and then

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considering the printing part of it I

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think the the first part we already

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talked about printing this is more about

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understanding when and why using this

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kind of um the programmers then on the Y

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part of it and why do we use them why do

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I want this interior bite Anor D

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programmer the most important part here

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is to understand that these little

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devices help us us is going to they're

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going to help us to diagnose if we have

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any problems in the joints so the joints

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is this part here we're going to talk a

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bit about anatomy in the joint as well

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but we need to understand that if there

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is any problem here this little device

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is going to help us uh to know well

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there is a problem or the joints are

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fine then the second kind of part on why

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we use them is to check if there is

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stability in the joint because some

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joints are not healthy they are

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destroying themselves or they're just

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not in the right position then this

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little device is going to help us as

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well another thing that it does is

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relaxing the muscles we're going to see

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that why as well it's going to help with

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with a starting point if we want to do

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like a complex case if we want to do a

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big case or if we're not really sure if

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the bite is right this is a perfect time

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to use these kind of De programmers and

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then that's going to help us to sit the

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cond in the right

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position so this is just a bit about me

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um I changed the picture but uh

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I haven't changed much since last

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presentation so I'm a general dentist

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working in

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Malaga uh I've been working for sorry

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I've been working for a few years now

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and I graduated and I went straight to

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the UK I worked with Dr Ian Buckle in

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this um talking I mean and I do some

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courses um in occlusion so we are trying

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to share a bit the expertise that we got

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in inclusion splints and then uh joint

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health and joint position and uh we've

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been doing a great job in Copenhagen and

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and Denmark and in the UK and I'm trying

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to do this in Spain as well I think if

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at some point I could go to South Korea

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That'll be amazing but until then uh I

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think we can do some webinars and uh

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that that'll be good

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enough so um

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continuing into scanning scanning has a

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really potential uh cost and time

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Effectiveness when we scan if we are

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thinking about introducing the scanner

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in our Clinic is going to help us

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reducing the Distortion of the

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impression materials and also the time

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wise because patient comes in first time

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we do is scanning the patient as soon as

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we scan the patient we can start

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designing the splint and this going to

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help us with big treatment cases

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then it's going to be more comfortable

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with the with the patient of course

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because we don't have these materials

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that go into our mouth I mean that's

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well known already that scanners is part

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of the future it's not something that

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it's not even part of the future it's

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part of the present it's not something

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uh that we need to avoid anymore it's

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something that we need to introduce in

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our Clinic if we want to move forward in

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these kind of things it's going to give

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us an immediate evaluation uh of The

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Impressions the impression is okay or

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not

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Yeah because sometimes we take an

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impression we send it to the lab and

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then the lab says well that's not too

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good an impression so scanners help with

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with this and then it's also so easy to

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store because nowadays we have hundreds

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of patients hundreds of records that we

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need to keep for five years sometimes

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even more uh ideally we want to have

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those stored

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somewhere so today what I'm trying to do

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is organize this as in an agenda uh

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we're g to try understanding what's the

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muscle deprogramming and reprogramming

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because that sounds like what is he

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talking about yeah try to understand

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that part then we're going to see when

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is it important to do it or not or when

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we don't need it to do it the methods to

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do it um and the type of splint that we

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can use not only we can use splint but

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we can Al um but we can use all the kind

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of the programmers then we're going to

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see uh which is the most appropriate

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Sprint in each case

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we're going to see how to manage the

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patient expectation because some

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patients think that we're going to Sol

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that life with this kind of De

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programmers we not but we're going to

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see how we can help the patient then

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we're going to see how we're going to

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introduce this is um and integrate this

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in a big treatment plan we're going to

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do a big case we're going to see how

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this device is going to help us so for

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the first part would be the

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reprogramming deprogramming part yeah

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part yeah this part so the first thing

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that we need to understand is the joint

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the anatomy that we got in the joint so

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each one of us uh is the same yeah

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considering that we have a healthy joint

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I can't really go into detail and we

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could do another webinar into not

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healthy joints or problems in the dis or

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things like that get really complex when

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we get into that part but with healthy

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joints the only thing that we need to

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understand is this is the gleno fosa and

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then inside that fosa we have a cile

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which is part of the mandible in between

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these two we have a dis and got we got

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some RTO discal tissue so this muscle

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that you can see

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here um this is the lateral teroid so

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this is the muscle that's going to allow

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the joint to move forward that muscle

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needs to be as relaxed as possible so

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the cile is seated in the right position

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where most of the patients have this

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muscle a bit active so if that muscle is

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slightly active the joint is not in the

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right

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position it can be a bit forward and

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some patient they don't have any

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symptoms but some others they do have

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symptoms so we're going to see those

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kind of patient that have muscle

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symptoms but not joint issues and we're

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going to see what the big difference

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between them two and we got some

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articles here talking about muscle

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memory because patient when they try to

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bite in the normal bite they kind

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of they kind of have a a memory in their

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brain that they always going to go into

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the same position where they biting the

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way they used to bite so we don't really

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know if they're in the right position

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because they're used to it and then they

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feel comfortable some feel comfortable

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others don't and we're going to see that

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they do have a chewing pattern so some

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patient they when they chew um they

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always going to do the same movement

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because teeth are going to dictate where

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the joints they're going to be if my

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teeth are forward then the The Joint

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needs to be forward if the teeth are

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back then the joint needs to be back and

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then we need to know that this is a

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healthy joint we cannot go into really

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complic cases this is simple joints are

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healthy the only way to know if joints

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are healthy there's no sharpen pain or

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there's no tension in the joint up here

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yeah so we talked about why why we're

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going to use this so those are the five

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kind of points that we're going to be

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seeing that why but then when do we use

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this that's that's an important one when

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do I want to use this Hector is it for

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uh just healthy joints well ideally yes

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we need patient with healthy joints but

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if they don't have healthy joints

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they're going to give us a feedback and

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then we know as a diagnostic too this is

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not good for them to use so that's

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that's one part of it then we can

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Orthodontics we're going to change um

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the way the patient uh Al alignments the

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the alignment in the patient teeth then

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we can use this kind of device if we

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have any muscle symptoms if we're going

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to do a full mouth Rehabilitation on

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impatient with heavy broism I think

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that's a good thing to

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use so will you deprogram every

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patients so you you can deprogram every

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patient but if the patient don't don't

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have any symptoms I don't think it's

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necessary so I wouldn't say that every

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patient needs to be de program just in

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patient that you're either going to be

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doing orthodontist for M Rehabilitation

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if they have any symptoms of they are

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really heavy bres so those are the three

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four cases that I'll be using these kind

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of

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devices overall the main thing that you

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need to understand is when we're going

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to change the patient occlusion if we're

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going to do just a c filling and we

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probably don't need this kind of devices

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but if we're going to do a big case then

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ideally yes H using in this kind of

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paent um so before moving on um can you

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explain more about deprogramming and

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reprogramming so that we can so yeah de

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programming what we trying to do is uh

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make the patient

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forget uh where the muscles and the

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joint where the muscles are programmed

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to be sorry so the joints can sit in the

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right position so when we tell the

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patient when we talk about deprogramming

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that means make the patient uh so they

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programmed to do the same that's a

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muscle memory yeah so what we're trying

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to do is make them forget where the is

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used to

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go and then once we know that the

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patient is deprogrammed then we need to

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reprogram the patient into a new bite

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that we're going to be creating got it

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so that's the whole concept of

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deprogramming the patient with really

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deprogramming the muscles to reprogram

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the patient again into another scheme

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they're going to be working in a

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different

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scheme yeah I think everyone also got

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the idea yeah because I got it everyone

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got it okay that's great so moving on

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the method on how to deprogramming the

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patient or the muscle of that

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patient ideally and this is the studies

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that many years ago we had this some

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studies you got some um on the

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bibliography that I that I

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had when we have a midpoint Splinter

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something that's in between the teeth

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most

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anally the the more interior you have

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something the more it's going to

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deprogram the muscle the activity of the

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muscle is going to be reduced so the

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cond can sit in the right position so

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anything that's a midpoint splint that

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goes in the middle that's going to help

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us the NTI bepl of Co programmers those

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are just names they're not my names that

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the names that have been use um uh for

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those kind of De

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programmers but really these kind of De

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programs the patient is wearing it and

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they can take it them at home or not

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where the LIF Gates and the Luci we

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talked about this in the other webinar

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as well it's something Anor as well but

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they cannot wear it and we're going to

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be using that in the clinic we can print

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those kind of LIF Gat or Lucid or we can

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have a stock of those so you can buy

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them and you can have them in the clinic

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so uh and then we got others if we keep

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the teeth apart and the patient is going

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to start deprogramming itself but also

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you got Brands like

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aqualizer that they help to deprogram it

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anything that you place in between your

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teeth is going to do some sort of

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deprogramming because the muscle they're

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not going to remember where they used to

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go if you have something in between your

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two so into the meod the first one that

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I've designed is some sort of

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Niti so the Niti is something that goes

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in the front fairly

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easy Med spint allows you to just with

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AI to do this follow all the steps so

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you can understand what we need to do

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but we need to have a lot of retention

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because we're only going to grab two to

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three teeth sometimes four so we need a

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lot of retention um that's loading it's

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just you can't see the message in

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loading but that's loading so the the

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program is going to think well then

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needs to go here and it's going to give

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us some sort of um

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design on where that uh anterior NTI is

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going to

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go that's simple then we can add the

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name I like to have a name to so I know

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which one which is the patient this is

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just

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mine yeah that's my name

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and then you can print directly this

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kind of uh NTI but

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also sometimes some patients they might

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clench it into this so this little uh

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surface can break one of the things that

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you can do is add a bit so you can give

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it an extra support yeah so I'm just

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adding it's just easily adding uh with

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the adding

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tools you can add anywhere you can add

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in the front you can add in the

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occlusive surface here I'm just kind of

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adding and smoothing adding and

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smoothing and at the end you have some

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sort of

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anterior um

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stop but with support that support is

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important the patient is going to bite a

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bit Harden into

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that don't think the patient is going to

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hard too hard bite too hard into this

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you don't really need to do

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this that's just give an extra support

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yeah this just little trick you can do

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and so you know these kind of programs

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help you to change a few things if you

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like okay so moving on to the

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bint is something quite similar again

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you click onto anterior bite in

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um Med spint and then

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into manual creation you can do

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automatic problem with automatic is

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going to create something like the one

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we did before yeah we want to do BPL we

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need to extend the bit towards the back

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the BPL the difference here is say the

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patient can swallow this because it's

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small so if you worri that the patient

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is going to sleep with it and it's a

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small device you can extend this kind of

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splint toward the back so if it's big

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enough the patient won't be able to

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swallow it yeah and also if there is not

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much retention see you can go towards

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the back

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just a few changes that that you can

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do this kind of video they're not

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accelerated they're just at the same

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speed as I'm doing it so if this video

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takes two minute that's the two minute

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that it took me this is not going any

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quicker so sometimes you want to

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accelerate things because it's loading

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but this kind of splints because the

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computer doesn't need to think too much

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because they're quite simple to do uh

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it's quite easy so once you got the

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roughly the

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idea you can move into the next step

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that's what takes to

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think of a design that you want to

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do have you seen this kind of splints

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before uh Jenny yeah this kind of splint

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is quite ler right

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yeah I think Med is doing a great job

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with the anterior but not many program

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that I seen you have that little square

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in there oh and I I like it because it's

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flat it allows me to have a flat surface

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so what we don't want is having the

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teeth the teeth form into these oh so it

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needs to be as flat as possible so the

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patient can move

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freely anywhere to the left to the right

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or towards the front and you can add the

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name and again it's just the same

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you need a certain thickness I think

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this is 1.5 to 2

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mm uh so the you can print the material

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and it doesn't

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break but you're not touching anything

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in the back you're only touching in the

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front yeah and then a CO deprogrammer

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it's just Dr Co created this kind of um

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de programmers the idea is the same you

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have an interior

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stop but it's just a way to hold it

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especially we're going to see it later

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on the co programmer just goes through

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the pallet so if it goes through the

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pallet you don't need the teeth say

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maybe you have Restorations that are

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breaking maybe you have certain teeth

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that are moving and you don't want to

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grab into any teeth so the good thing

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with this kind of devices it goes around

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the

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gums we can change the design slightly I

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think that that's loading again

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and then changeing the

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design it's fairly easy so you just need

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to tell the program to drag the points

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you bring that closer to the

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tooth

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y eventually I think Med is doing some

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so many uh the feedback that we give we

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give and then so many advancements and

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improvements if we say thanks to AI

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really in not no time there's going to

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be one button that we click and it's

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going to create this kind of things I

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think that things are moving really

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quick so you can make a coyd programmer

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with AI function right not at the moment

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but I think I'm really sure really close

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in the future you can click to Ai and it

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can give you some sort of Co programmer

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this is

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because the program at the moment is not

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trained to do these kind of things oh

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but if you do aund of these then the

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program knows how to do it

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and it's it's going to be possible soon

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and I think AI is taking over in many

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many things uh and I think Med is doing

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an amazing job with a with AI as

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well yeah something like that so that

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goes round the

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G this look so different from the normal

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one is it yeah not uncomfortable is it

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okay no those kind of devices they're

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not uncomfortable so like removable

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Dentures they go into soft tissue but it

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just grabs to the teeth and it it's not

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not uncomfortable at

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all you don't need to wear this uh

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247 sometimes you do but not not always

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but the good thing with these kind of

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devices is because it's not wrapping the

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teeth you can't you can barely see it

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because it's in the back yeah AIT more

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aesthetic as well yeah so moving on to

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which one so we we saw three of them

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there is others out there those are the

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ones that you can do with Med splint

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fairly easy the most important part that

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we need to understand is is it for

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shortterm or is it for longterm use if

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we're going to be using something for

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shortterm I think we can use like um

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Lucy CH or a LIF gauge or like the NTI

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something that goes in the

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front um and it's small because it's

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only for shortterm but if the patient is

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going to sleep with it uh and it's going

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to be for a few weeks then we need

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something more like a beis bling because

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we want those teeth uh to to hold the

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teeth in the right position and then to

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avoid the patient to swallow or lose it

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because sometimes you just lose this

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small bit what is a bit bigger it's a

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bit more difficult to lose

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it but also if we're going to be using

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this for a long term we need to

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understand that the joints need to be

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healthy that's the second part of this

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if the joints are not healthy we cannot

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use this for a long time yeah so when we

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said when we want to use it we also need

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to understand that the joint needs to be

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healthy sorry the joint need to be

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healthy

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um but there there needs to be no pain

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in the joints okay we're going to see on

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the patient expectation when uh we need

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to remove move it but then we need to

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understand that if there is any temporal

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Mula disorders we need to take that out

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okay what what kind of strch mod should

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be done so um we're going to see that

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Jenny as well um but if we can cannot

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use this kind of anterior bite we need

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something like a full coverage like the

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ones that we saw in another webinar

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that's going to help with the joints

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these kind of devices they don't help

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with the joint they're going to help

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with muscle but not really joint I

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so talking about upper or

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lower say we have really crowded teeth

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in the lower but we have really aign

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teeth in the front then we might want to

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do a lower yeah de program instead of

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the top one because if we do a top one

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and the teeth are really crowded then

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it's not going to be even on the

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platform that we created so which one

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either top or bottom it's going to

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depend as well on the antagonist that we

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have if we have any partial DST we don't

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want to have this device on top of a

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partial denter because at the end you're

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going to be removing this and removing

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the denter and you can break the uh

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denture as well so I think it'll be

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easier to have it in the antagonist yeah

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also if you have crowns or teeth that

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can that can break say a crown that can

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fall out or a tooth that's Peri

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compromis that moving you have a two

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that mobile that has Mobility in it yeah

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you don't want to flash against this

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platform say you have with Mobility 3

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you don't want to be using this kind of

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devices use something different or place

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it in the lowest so you can hit the top

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you need to find an alternative to

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it so the process of doing this is the

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same that we saw in the first part we

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need the scanner we need we can use the

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medit i700 I think the i900 is out there

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if we have it then we can use any

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scanner will work because the good thing

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with medit is at the moment we can use

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the apps but the good thing with medit

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is you can record and we will see how

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the recording yeah is going to help us

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integrate this at the very end if we're

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going to be using another kind of

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scanners then we got not going to have

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the recording uh

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included then we can use the med this

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splint up and then we need a printer

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once we got the printer we can send this

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to a lab they can do it for us we have a

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printer we can do it that's depending on

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uh whatever we got in the

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clinic and then we can use these kind of

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resins key keyint soft works really

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nicely for me if we want to polish them

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we can use key print key polish that

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helps with the polishing of the splint

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we're not going to produce it you don't

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need this part if you're going to

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produce it this kind of material works

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really really

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nicely so in the patient expectation

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what does the patient expect or Nick to

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expect when they wearing this kind of

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device it keeps going to the next

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presentation I don't know why I'm not

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clicking anything

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yeah so the patient expectations so the

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patient want to wear these kind of

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device they need to think about what's

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going to happen what do I need to feel

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or what you need to tell them that can

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happen the first thing that can happen

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is pain so patient can experience pain

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and that's important to know because we

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need to understand how to manage the

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pain or if we can use these kind of

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devices in the patients or not so if the

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pain comes from tension in the muscle

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that can be normal sometimes they may

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feel I never experience this kind of

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tensions here and here and sometimes it

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goes down in

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that that can be normal because some

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patients and this is interesting when

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you wear them this this kind of device

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they're going to relax the muscle but

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that pain sometimes come from patient

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getting used to the pain and they always

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they always been in pain and then you

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give them this kind of device they're

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starting to relax and now they they

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remove it and it's oh now it's painful

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now it's painful it was painful before

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but you never noticed

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because the pain you can manage the pain

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or you were used to the pain so that's

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the first kind of pain it's more like a

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tension tenderness sort of thing in the

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muscles but if that tensional tenderness

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comes in the joint which is a sharp kind

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of pain coming close to the ear then we

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need to ask the patient to remove that

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immediately yeah so we need to tell them

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don't wear it bring them back um bring

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them back to the clink maybe we need to

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the sort of they're going to be using

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okay so also the second thing that can

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happen is the muscle activity we're

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going to reduce that muscle activity so

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the patient can feel and I have patient

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that their wife or their husband they be

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like well his face is a bit more relaxed

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I can see his face he's not like that

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he's now bit more like that so you can

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see some facial relaxation and also the

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muscle activity is going to be reduced

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so if the patient had some headaches

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coming from this area here they might

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feel a bit better thanks to these

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devices right so that you can tell the

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patient well this can

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happen also and that's probably what we

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want this kind of devices for is for the

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bite adjustment so if the patient wear

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this say for8 hours at night time once

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they wake up they're not going to be

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able to bite in their position where

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they used to

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bite so they're going to feel really

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weird and they're going to ask us well

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when I woke up I had my breakfast and

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now I can't really bite then my bite is

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in the back tee or I can only bite in

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one side because the joints yeah are

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sitting and now the teeth don't really

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match but after this we need to think

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about some treatment that we need to do

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either like we said big cases full

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Rehabilitation maybe Orthodontics and we

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need to align the teeth into the correct

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position or sometimes we need just to

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don't know maybe give them a partial

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denter

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or depending on the case we need to do

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an appropriate treatment plan but we

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need to tell them your bite is going to

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change and that's

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important

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yeah I think you got a question Jenny

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yeah so um what if the patient has

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symptoms with the de

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programmers so they can have symptoms

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um because of the load that we are

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applying in the joints so if they have

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any pain we need to ask them to take it

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out come back to the clinic as soon as

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possible and then we need to see maybe

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changing that patient into a full

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coverage splint again it's a broad topic

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and we're always talking about healthy

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joints if the joints are not healthy

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then that's that's a different part of

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the presentation maybe we can do another

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webinar talking about that was very

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interesting yeah those are really

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difficult cases probably we need to we

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can refer those kind of patient to the

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specialist we're not really sure if the

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patient is feeling better with this kind

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of anterior bites maybe refer them

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that's probably the best thing that we

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could do for them h

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yeah okay then uh the why they have pain

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here sometimes is because there's not

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really um a dis in between the joint and

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the

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glenoid and then those patient are

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pressing against the rod discal tissue

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which can be quite so so it's important

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to know that if they have any pain in

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the joints take it

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out so moving on to integrate this which

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is the the bit that I like as a dentist

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into a comprehensive treatment

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plan I prepared just a simple case and a

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complex case the simple

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one we're going to talk through these

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kind of

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cases so this is the patient came to the

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clinic we recorded him uh into this

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position which is maximum intercuspation

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so mi so teeth are just together but we

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can see this patient has a bit of wear

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so this is a um professional heavy

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lifter he was always complaining about

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pain coming from here um he had a lot of

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tension in the

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muscles and then he was biting into that

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bite and well that's my bite and it

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feels okay that's what he thought so we

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gave him some sort of

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deprogrammer and after taking just a

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week with this

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we saw that the wisom teeth are the

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first oh my God the once the cor is

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sitting the correct bite of this patient

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is this one problem is when he was

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trying to bite he had to move forward to

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join the the the jaw a lot to bring that

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into the correct

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position that's why he had a lot of

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tension a lot of tenderness in mus and

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the joints so the only thing that we

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needed to do with him was to extract now

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we have the extraction of the wh and

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teeth and now that's a different

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completely different case because now

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the the patient is biting properly all

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the symtom has disappeared and he feels

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a lot better and as we said he's a

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professional heavy lifter he needed to

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have an he was clenching a lot when he

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was

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lifting so now he uh feels a lot better

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thanks to just really simple case where

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thanks to the deprogrammer you can see

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where the bite of that patient was

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and then we can do a treatment according

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to this in this case we just needed to

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remove the wisdom teeth in other cases

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we need to do different different things

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but this is just a really simple case

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that illustrate really well how the D

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programmer can help

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us

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yeah and then into a really complex case

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and this is a case that took me few

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weeks to it wasn't really wasn't

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easy but if you follow up protocol I

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think you can do this kind of complex

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cases the patient that comes in that has

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a lot of wear that has a lot of um tooth

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surface Lo tooth surface lost you have

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over the years he had some treatment

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done he had a veneer in that lateral and

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then you want to restore this case but

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if he's biting completely you don't have

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space to restore him so you want to open

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the bite and how much you want you want

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to open the bite before opening the bite

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that just complicates everything the

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first thing that I would do if give them

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some sort of

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deprogramming so once they got something

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you can record the second bite

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yeah then we give them

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this same case we give them the de

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programmer they wait it for a week

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sometimes less sometimes more we're

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going to go through that together

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and then that's just how the jaw goes to

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a different position that's a different

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position and the implant that he

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had why it's in

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plaster the first point of contact the

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interference that he had uh was in the

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in the uh

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implant sometimes an implant and implant

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crown and you're like well the patient

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is fine well we need to make sure that

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the patient is fine and I have to remove

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that uh Crown so we Restorations for him

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in the front

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we and then you can see with the tempies

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I mean this is a case that I could go

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and it takes me 14 minutes just to talk

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about this case long case but we did

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some uh overlays in the back uh veneers

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overlays sort of thing

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yeah and then we did some three quarters

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veneers in the front simple composite

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lowest this is composite but then we pre

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and we did ven poers because a case that

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we wanted to have him stable in a

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temporary phase sorry temporary phase

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and then move into a final

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case and that took me weeks so maybe I

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think even up to three months I think

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that case was how long should we wait

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for de programming

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so that can take I mean I have patient

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that in a week they completely de

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program I have patient that in a few

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minutes the de program it does yeah it

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does

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depend because I can show

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you um it it really depends on the

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patient muscle activity if

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that that it's going to take a bit

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longer but if you see that

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moves freely maybe sometimes in five

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minutes those patient are fully

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deprogrammed more complex the patients

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are the more um they're going to need

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that de programming so it does depend on

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the patient really I

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see so these kind of cases the good

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thing with medit as well is where we can

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record the mandibular movements and then

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we finished the case and we recorded the

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mandibular movements and this helped me

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to to understand that the patient now

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has a new bite and we reprogram the bite

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to be in a different position now this

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bite let me just press play this is the

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left laterality this is Canan guidance

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which help us a lot with uh muscle

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activity as well on the right on the

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right side he's class two I mean he's

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just skeletic on the the jaw is smaller

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so skeletic it's a bit smaller so I

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can't really have K9 to K9 contact so I

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had

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lateral here lateral against K9 so when

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I press play again oh

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sorry let me go

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back so when we

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have here the movement we got the left

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side

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then we got the right side this is

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lateral against K9

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yeah I think I tried to do like a group

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function with the with the preoral as

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well

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yeah and then we got the interior we

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don't have any Prem maturities in the

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back and we can make sure that there is

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no teeth catching in the back thanks to

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this as

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well what we done with this kind of this

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this patient with a heavy breure once we

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done with the full case and I want to

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protect my work everything that I've

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done the ven that I've done again we

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done this in the first webinar we can do

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a full full mouth coverage um splint on

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the top or on the lower and that's going

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to protect the job that we've

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done yeah

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yeah so talking about deprogramming and

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this is answering a bit more about your

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question how long

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how long is the question that I get ask

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a lot and uh it's really difficult to

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point at the patient that they're going

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to De program really quick I think with

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experience you can get to understand

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okay this patient now is De programed

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but if you are unsure and the the the

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joints are healthy I'll say keep the

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patient a bit

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longer because it's not going to cause

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any armm if the joints are healthy yeah

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we want to deprogram the patient we want

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to make this those muscle forget where

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they are used to go and everyday basis

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where they

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chewing it can take few few minutes it

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can take a couple of days it can take a

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couple of weeks that depends on the

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patient and then we need to do something

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about it because if we don't do anything

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about it then the patient is going to

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feel like his bite is always

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off that can lead to orthodontic that

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can lead to just a simple equilibration

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that can lead to a complex case uh

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sometimes you can just do some TBL stops

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in the back there's so many different

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treatment plans we could talk in a

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different webinar about how many we can

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do about those kind of Dr program

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patients and I have many cases that have

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treated with different techniques and we

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can see

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all and then we need to reprogram the

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patient not our job to

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Just DE reprogram them but if we give

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them a stable bite with posterior

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discusion uh with an anterior bite in

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harmony with the envelope of function so

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we're going to have the patient um

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protecting his his own bite protecting

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his own teeth if we have can and

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guidance then the muscle activity lowers

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a

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lot

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yeah as a conclusion and some

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recommendation we can have some and I

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think the programmers can help a lot but

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we need to know exactly when to use them

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but it can help us with diagnosis it can

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help us to know is the joints are

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healthy or not it can help us with the

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pain and the tension that we got in the

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muscles patient do get

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better um talking about muscles when we

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use

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this uh it help us as a starting

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point if we have don't have an idea of

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where we want to start if we have a big

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case don't know do we have to open the

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bite here here here not too sure as a

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starting point it's really

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good with heavy Brees if you have a

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patient that they know or their Partners

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at home yeah you can hear that patient

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that goes to left right they clench a

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lot this helps a lot with clenches this

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helps a lot with uh heavy bres as well

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if we want to use them as a long term

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maybe we need to consider something

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different and then this help with

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headaches headaches not migraines like

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the migraines that we can locate here in

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the front but more headaches that goes

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in the back like here on the side sorry

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right we have various options we've seen

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them it's the same idea it's something

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an interior in the front something in

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the front to keep the teeth apart we

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need to manage the patient expectation

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patient don't know and don't understand

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what's going to happen if they wear this

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or

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not and then we seen how we can

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integrate this in a bigger treatment

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plan that that's the whole goal really

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we can help the patient with pain but

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really this helps us to deprogram the

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patient but we need to reprogram it

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later if we're going to just deprogram

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the patient what what's the point really

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that's just

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the why would we do that and then de

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programming it's it's only temp but it's

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a is an important step as a as a big

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treatment

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plan yeah so thank you very much Jenny

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uh this is my email wants to send me an

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email uh with questions about this

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really happy we'll answer them um if you

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have any questions Jenny I'm here to ask

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any question that you have as

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well um I asked every questions that I

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wanted to know between the lectures it

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was really interesting to see all the

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cases it was a real case of yours right

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so yes so those cases I've cheated them

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here in the practice actually one of

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them his name is Hector because he my

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father so that's took me that took me a

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while to do three

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months his name is Hector like me I

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think in Spain we like to be called us

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our parents if I I don't have kids but

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if I have kids

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maybe one of them will be called Hector

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as well

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yeah okay so that's everything about

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today right yes I think the we covered

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the the programers um let's wait for the

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feedback as well see what people think

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about these kind of things if we have

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any deeper questions into anterior de

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programers we can talk a bit more about

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it we want to move into achievement

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cases we can prepare another webinar

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that's no problem with me wow okay thank

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you for um preparing such a great

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lecture for today so

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that's all today so yeah see you next

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time thank you for being here doctor

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you're welcome bye bye bye

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