Ahmed and Marcelo
Summary
TLDRIn this heartfelt transcript, a civil engineer named Marcelo, originally from Bosnia, shares his struggles after being retrenched from his job in Australia. He discusses his concerns for his family's well-being, the impact of his job loss on their lifestyle, and the emotional toll of his past and present challenges. The conversation with a social worker reveals his resilience and the support he seeks to overcome adversity, including the discrimination his family faces due to their cultural background.
Takeaways
- 😔 Marcelo is a retrenched civil engineer who specialized in transportation tunnels and is now facing unemployment.
- 🌍 Marcelo's background is Bosnian Muslim, and he has a strong connection to his heritage despite living in Australia.
- 👨👩👧👦 Marcelo has a family with three children and is concerned about providing for them and their education.
- 🏙️ Marcelo and his family moved from Sydney to Melbourne, which led to him joining a new company and eventually being retrenched.
- 📚 Marcelo's English was not very good initially, but he worked hard to improve it, which opened up opportunities in engineering.
- 💼 Marcelo is struggling with the stigma of being retrenched and the impact it has on job hunting.
- 🍲 Marcelo's family is facing financial constraints, which has affected their diet and lifestyle.
- 🤔 Marcelo is dealing with mental health concerns, including worries about his family's future and flashbacks to past hardships.
- 👫 Marcelo has a supportive but close-knit Muslim community, which he is hesitant to burden with his current struggles.
- 🏥 Marcelo visited his GP due to stomach problems, which might be linked to stress and the changes in his diet.
- 🤝 The social worker is offering to connect Marcelo with various services to help him cope with his current situation.
Q & A
What is the main concern that Marcelo brought up during his conversation with the social worker?
-Marcelo's main concern is his recent job loss and the impact it has on his family, as well as his struggles with his mental health and the challenges he faces in finding new employment.
What profession did Marcelo mention he was previously employed in?
-Marcelo mentioned that he was a civil engineer, primarily working on transportation tunnels.
Why was Marcelo retrenched from his job?
-Marcelo was retrenched because the company he worked for lost the bid for a rail link tunnel project, and as one of the last people to join, he was let go under the 'last in, first out' policy.
How does Marcelo's background as a Bosnian Muslim affect his life in Australia?
-Marcelo's background as a Bosnian Muslim has led to some stigma and discrimination, which has affected his family's life, including his children's experiences at school.
What significant historical event from Marcelo's past does he reference?
-Marcelo references the Bosnian War and its impact on his early life.
Outlines
😔 Job Loss and Personal Struggles
In this paragraph, the individual, a civil engineer, discusses his recent job loss due to the company losing a bid for a rail link tunnel project. He reflects on his background as a Bosnian Muslim who moved to Australia and the challenges he faced with language and cultural assimilation. He also mentions his family, including his wife and three children, and the impact of his job loss on their financial situation and his mental health. The individual expresses concern about providing for his family and the potential stigma associated with being retrenched.
👨👩👧👦 Family Life and Cultural Identity
The speaker talks about his family, consisting of two boys and a girl, and how becoming a father has shifted his priorities. He discusses the sacrifices his
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Retrenched
💡Civil Engineer
💡Sleeping Patterns
💡Bosnian Muslim
Highlights
Introduction of Marcelo, a civil engineer facing retrenchment and its emotional impact.
Marcelo's background as a Bosnian Muslim, the cultural stigma he faces, and the importance of his family.
The challenge of adjusting to life in Australia and the influence of Marcelo's ethnicity on his life.
Marcelo's struggle with unemployment after moving from Sydney to Melbourne and joining a new company.
The impact of retrenchment on Marcelo's sleep and mental health, and his coping mechanisms.
Marcelo's family life, including his three children and their ages.
The influence of Marcelo's parents' experiences and sacrifices on his sense of responsibility.
Marcelo's reflections on his father's death and the family's escape from Bosnia during the war.
The emotional burden Marcelo carries from his family's past and its effect on his current situation.
Marcelo's concerns about his children's education and the potential for bullying due to cultural differences.
The social stigma Marcelo faces as a retrenched worker and its impact on job hunting.
Marcelo's health concerns due to financial constraints and the impact on his diet.
The support Marcelo receives from his wife, who works part-time as a teaching aid.
Marcelo's mental health struggles, including flashbacks and worries about his family's future.
The potential risk of depression as identified by Marcelo's GP and the need for support.
Marcelo's community ties and the challenges of seeking help within his close-knit Muslim community.
The social and emotional support Marcelo derives from his sports friends and community.
The social worker's plan to connect Marcelo with services and support for his current situation.
Marcelo's gratitude for the assistance and his determination to overcome his current challenges.
Transcripts
all right welcome ed hello how you doing
man
I'm coping I guess I just had some stuff
obviously otherwise I would be talking
to you my friend thanks for making the
time to see me my name is Marcelo under
social worker and I've just received a
referral from your GP having some
concerns about sleeping patterns and and
other things that may be happening into
your life so I just want to make our
time to I don't know to listen to you
and provide you some of the services you
might be in need of course it's going to
be a private conversation confidential
so just share with me whatever you feel
like I'm I'm able to help you out so
what what's been happening to you I
suppose it all seems I've been
retrenched I'm a civil engineer and
mostly with like transportation tunnels
things like that and yeah I'm the way I
kind of grew up I wouldn't have expected
it but I I I just caught a real big
interest at the at the in the high
school and then my English wasn't very
good so it's I worked really really
really hard I I did arts programs and
then you know I don't enjoy public
speaking I don't enjoy drama or anything
but I'm it just
my background is Bosnian Serbian I'm
sorry Bosnian Muslim we live in um but
just to avoid some of the I feel very
fortunate to live in Australia but just
do
avoid some of the stigma that still
retailer encounter
I'm unfortunately my wife is much more
her ethnicity is a lot more reasonable
like this and yeah so I only own I just
it was encouraged by friends of my
mother in particular the the more
directed sort of feeding and blending
there the easier my life would kind of
be and yeah so I would never had to work
on English my my reading comprehension
of English in and yeah that really
opened the the world to me I could never
fathom anything from engineering and
yeah I love my work but the problem is
is that we moved we moved moved from
Sydney to Melbourne and when we did I I
had to join a new company and
DCG was applying for this tunnel for the
rail link and they were hiring on board
cuz they were expecting it to win the
bid and very soon after I joined the I'd
done little odd jobs in the interim for
them where I could but they they lost
the bid and because I I was kind of one
of the last people to join it was kind
of sort of last in first out I guess and
and it just makes it difficult I was
with the family and everything I am in
my partner has a part-time income and
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it's not a surprise or not sleeping yeah
I mean I just I'm not used to having so
much time on my hands and when the first
periods in a long time we're really how
old time to myself and I'm still playing
some places but you know I just yeah I
don't know I don't know I keep thinking
about stuff from when I was little and
just not reflecting and um yeah I just I
really really I don't want to I don't
leave my family in the lurch or anything
I don't want there to be any kind of
setback to like my kids and and their
education and yeah okay tell me
something about your kids
which one the 303 that's nice I've got
two boys and a girl
Samara is six and he is a new one now
and then there's Mita who is four and
there's sobbing just turned two and
she's beautiful she looks very much like
her mother
and it's a real you might have kids it's
a very eye-opening experience you all
your priorities kind of shift very very
quickly and the just the center of your
world and I think they just sort of
complicate things like I really I wanted
to take care of my family I didn't want
I don't want anyone to have to
we have a really good life my mother and
my father my father passed but they went
through a lot a lot and they've seen
terrible things and I just know how good
I have it here and it just feels a
little it just feels a little like this
isn't as big a problem I guess
I feel a bit strange again yeah I just I
know I know it's normal everyone's worst
as their worst you look like a very
caring person for your apartment and for
your kids as well well thank you thank
you yeah I am I think it's just been
something in me since I was little my
father made a huge sacrifice for us and
I just sort of stayed with me a lot um
yeah I don't know if you know much
there was a it's essentially a genocide
in urban areas from Valencia and all the
Bosnian Serbian well they they tried to
cleanse the Bosnian Muslim people and
under like the guise of they basically
lied lied to them into into laying down
all their weapons and and that they had
to defend themself and then they were
just going to I don't even know I don't
know what they were gonna do but they
they took all the all the men that were
you know of age I was like yeah I was
about seven at the time and and we were
fortunate enough to be smuggled out my
mother
my father went back for his brother and
I will bring my cousin and they didn't
make it obviously and that I it just you
know we sort of Sodom in Australia back
in like 1997 and we were lucky enough to
get a permanent residency and and I feel
so fortunate to grow up here and to be
able to raise my kids here my wife was
in the same boat she had the same
background yeah yeah absolutely like we
both smoked it out in your own sort of
respective family or support networks
and yeah I feel fortunate that you know
I was pretty young but seven is so old
enough to you know I miss my father
so much and I really could have you know
my mother did an amazing job but but she
was really affected by it brother Lawson
and what she witnessed and she didn't
really talk much about it to be fair
that um yeah things kind of broke down
when she was 17 and when I was 17 rather
and yeah from there I just had to grow
up pretty quick um she couldn't really
she needed she needed help and so I I
would say with a sort of a friend that
she'd made instead of the community like
I'd like going out playing soccer and
school or what have you in them yeah for
that last year of high school I was kind
of taken care of and for most of the
next year but I tried to pay my way
pretty quick once I could work and yeah
sorry I don't know how we got into this
but um yeah but it's thank you for
sharing that with me you you you've got
a lot in your story I think as far as I
can
Stan I don't know much of the story
around that space in error but I can
feel the intensity just by listening to
you and you have these huge amount of
history on your back and you have a
struggle at the moment just by being
retrained in in your in your work as
well so it's a lot to cope yeah it's
just
I'm not too proud to get a job that pays
I'm really not but it's just remarkable
how long I don't know there's just a
it's just such a stigma still around
like I'm not a particularly devout
Muslim my wife is a little more so
obviously she's you know if I had it my
way my kids would dress like like
everyone else and but she she meant to
be honest fit for my mother even
my oldest was bullied at school and from
the way she anyway he dress dresses or
we dress him and you know when you're a
kid you don't realize anywhere I just um
I just want to be able to make sure that
my my family is really provided for and
and that they don't have to struggle too
much and you know I would love to be
able to just move them into a different
school or will be able I just worry that
if things escalated I wouldn't I
wouldn't be in a position to act the way
I want to I know this isn't a war zone
or anything good at term yeah but at the
same time I'm sorry to hear there's
still discrimination around because of
this that's wrong yeah that's that's the
perfect world word sorry I'm yeah it
just shocks me it just shocks me dang
everyone we're so grateful to live in a
country that's spared violence for the
most part and and what we've had to deal
with is mostly verbal but it just it has
an effect and I and you know like yeah I
would just love to bring my kids up away
from all of that and I'm just really
struggling to find anyone that's hiring
and as soon as I find out you've been
retrenched I mean you can explain the
situation but a lot of them just sort of
assumed that you're probably not you
were probably the weak link well you
probably weren't as qualified or
experienced yeah well I'm glad that you
made it and you're living here and well
you know you're able to overcome so many
things in your life just I can't even
imagine speaking another language and
different type of culture and studying
becoming an engineer we've you have
achieved a lot
so of course you have a lot to show and
to demonstrate today I'm sure you're
going to find a job it's and we'll help
you out with that
thank you thank you
yeah I went to the GP just as I was
having sort of stomach problems I mean
we we've had to really cut back cost so
it's mostly just you know a lot of dried
food and well you know dry goods but
meal and my wife makes a lot of bread by
yourself for whatever you boot and you
know prior to this it was fresh fruits
vegetables and my mother was really big
on all of it and yeah so I just adored
it is food a concern at the moment I'm
sorry to ask you that but I have to no
no I I understand um it's it's more just
that between renton and the three kids
and moving about it's a we're obviously
just living off of my my wife's she's
teaching aid and she's ever helped
translate and anyway she she she only
works part-time and it just it just
means that we have to be careful with
what we buy um so yeah we're not
starving
but at the same time we just a variety
of what we eat is kind of restricted to
um things we can kind of make in bulk
and all that kinda stuff
just for you to know because we can link
you to different services if you need
and and some of them are related to food
if you need them the same thing with
seeking for a different job we can we
can link you back also to all sorts of
things um I just wanted to clarify a
little bit in meeting your refer or if
there is any type of different
CERN in term of which is quite normal in
that situation in terms of mental health
how you dealing with that and if that is
a concern at the moment yeah like I said
by my mother is uh not been well since I
was about seventeen and so uh I just had
a bit more time to visit her and my yeah
I just sort of thinking my father and um
just been thinking a lot and there is a
worry I I really just breaks my heart to
see my I just don't want to see my
family have to suffer and we feel a
little bit like I could have done more I
could have worked harder
in university I could have I could just
be more resourceful
um but sort of yeah when everyone's
asleep I I I do find myself kind of
flashbacks from the past it's been
between sort of the worries of now and
it's it's it's it's not necessarily that
I have sort of clearer images of of us
leaving it was it's just that I there's
sort of an impression there um yeah it's
not a great feeling and and I could give
mercy you know I think a lot of it comes
from seeing how it affected my mother
and how if maybe I'm just worried that
if I if this is like one kind of
adversity or struggle can last with
people
many many years and I just don't want my
kids or my my wife to experience oh yeah
that's a concern I think one of the the
concerns from your GP is going it's not
that you are at the moment but going
into a depressed mood or having a
diagnosis of depression and then having
to come out of things looking for a job
and having to provide for your family
it's a bit of a concern so we have to
look up today as as a possibility not as
a reality but as a possibility and any
type of link or bond with your community
from your birthplace or friendship or
people around you apart from your family
fortune in such a family it's just my
mother and I made it now fortunately
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Muslim community is very close-knit and
so I sort of grew up with lots of you
know aunts and uncles you know but I
just feel a bit funny asking him for
favors because I know that they they do
it they do it rough as well you know and
yeah I actually was planning on going
back I haven't played football for a few
years I've been working a lot no I was
gonna sort of join their a nighttime
competition when I just with the Coster
joining and I suppose yeah I have
friends that I played sport with in
everything and the family's very close
so I've got a I've got a couple people
from sport that you know from time to
sound like when the World Cup song or
you know Jimmy's they final for soccer
will go in and we'll watch together and
what sort of birthdays holidays that
kind of stuff
I think in my mind I was just hoping
that I'd get hired quickly and not have
to share too much I guess yeah I guess
we have we have just a short period of
time today it was just a catch-up to
know your story and know exactly what
can we put in place here I think we have
lots of things happening at the same
time from your job to some health
concerns but we also have lots of good
things happening to you in terms of
supports in terms of your resilience as
well or your achievements I'm sure we're
going to come up with different
solutions so let's make another time and
I'll show you some of the different
services that we have that we can link
you right away
and think about a plan to come out of
this tough situation that unfortunately
you're facing at the moment but I'm sure
we can help you out and you have the
resources also to to come out of this
situation how does that sound to you
know that's one of our I really really
appreciate it and yeah this country just
been very good to us
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I make sure I don't I don't want to I
don't want to be in this position
forever
so I don't want to take it from anybody
forever so I really appreciate them and
you won't be anything you can do
yeah thank you and I think we're
fortunate enough to have your family as
well
absolutely absolutely yeah everything to
me
fantastic so let's book an all the time
and let's go from there I'll give you
some brochures and all the services that
we have and let's start from there make
it another time okay thank you so much
for coming up man they're really
producing the muscle
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