Perspective : India-China Border Dispute | 04 January, 2023
Summary
TLDRIn this episode of 'Perspective' on Sunset TV, host Tinaja discusses India's strained relations with China, focusing on the recent comments by India's External Affairs Minister, who criticized China for unilaterally attempting to change the Line of Actual Control. The panel, including Professor Sanjay Bhardwaj, Major General Sivaj, and former Ambassador Prabhude, analyzes the minister's remarks, the history of border agreements, and China's aggressive actions. They also delve into India's preparedness and the broader geopolitical implications, including China's regional dominance ambitions and the impact on South Asian countries.
Takeaways
- 😠 The Indian External Affairs Minister, Jay Shankar, has criticized China for unilaterally trying to change the Line of Actual Control (LAC), indicating a disregard for past agreements and contributing to border tensions.
- 🏗️ China has been accused of building up military forces and infrastructure along the border, contrary to the agreements not to amass forces in border areas, leading to a strained relationship with India.
- 🗣️ The minister's remarks highlight that the responsibility for de-escalation lies with China, as it is they who have been escalating tensions by moving troops and building up along the LAC.
- 🛑 A major clash between Indian and Chinese soldiers in the Tawang sector of Arunachal Pradesh has occurred recently, which is a clear sign of the ongoing conflict and the urgency of the situation.
- 🤔 The panelists on the show discuss the significance of the minister's remarks, suggesting that China's actions are part of a broader pattern of aggressive foreign policy and a desire to dominate the region.
- 🔄 China has a history of breaching trust with India, repeatedly violating agreements and treaties regarding the border, which has led to a breakdown in relations.
- 🛤️ India is ramping up its border infrastructure and military capabilities to match China's, including road building, bridge construction, and the development of a logistics supply system.
- 🚨 India is shifting its focus from the western border to the northern border, recognizing the growing threat from China and preparing for potential conflicts.
- 💪 India's military is developing a strong stance, with the establishment of new strike corps and the repositioning of forces to be able to counter any Chinese aggression effectively.
- 🌐 The discussion also touches on China's broader strategic interests in South Asia, including energy resources and infrastructure projects, which could lead to further regional tensions.
- 🕊️ Despite the current strained relations, there is an acknowledgment that both India and China need to work together for the betterment of the region, but this requires trust and peaceful coexistence.
Q & A
What was the main point of External Affairs Minister Jay Shankar's remarks on China?
-Minister Jay Shankar criticized China for unilaterally trying to change the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and not adhering to border agreements with India, which has led to a tense situation between the two countries.
What did the external affairs minister emphasize regarding the responsibility of de-escalating border tensions?
-The minister emphasized that the onus lies on China to de-escalate border tensions, as it is China that has been responsible for escalating them by amassing forces and building military infrastructure along the LAC.
What does the script suggest about China's approach to border agreements?
-The script suggests that China has a track record of breaching trust and not following the understanding and agreements that have been signed with India, leading to a strained relationship.
How has China's behavior been described in relation to the border situation?
-China's behavior has been described as aggressive and untrustworthy, with the country disregarding border pacts and increasing military presence along the border.
What was the context of the recent clash between Indian and Chinese soldiers in the Tawang sector of Arunachal Pradesh?
-The clash occurred amidst a backdrop of increasing tensions due to China's actions along the LAC, including the building of military infrastructure and forces, which goes against previous agreements with India.
What is the significance of the external affairs minister's remarks in the context of India-China relations?
-The minister's remarks highlight the current state of India-China relations, which are at a low ebb due to the border tensions, and underscore India's position that China needs to take the initiative to de-escalate the situation.
What is the view of the panel on China's intentions towards India?
-The panel suggests that China's intentions towards India are not friendly, with China using various means to pressurize India, including strengthening ties with Pakistan and building infrastructure along the border.
How does the panel discuss India's response to China's actions along the border?
-The panel discusses India's response as being prepared and proactive, with India building up its infrastructure, modernizing its military capabilities, and taking a firm stand against China's aggressive actions.
What does the script imply about the future of India-China relations?
-The script implies that the future of India-China relations is uncertain and will be influenced by how China addresses the border tensions and whether it chooses to adhere to agreements and maintain peace along the LAC.
What are the broader implications of the border tensions for regional stability and security?
-The border tensions have broader implications for regional stability and security, as they could escalate into larger conflicts and affect the balance of power in South Asia and the Indo-Pacific region.
How does the script address the role of infrastructure development in the border tensions?
-The script addresses the role of infrastructure development as a point of contention, with China objecting to India's development of infrastructure along the border and using it as a means to exert pressure.
Outlines
😠 India's External Affairs Minister Criticizes China's Border Actions
In an interview with Austria's ORF, India's External Affairs Minister Jay Shankar openly criticized China for unilaterally attempting to change the Line of Actual Control (LAC). He highlighted that China has not adhered to agreements with India on border issues, leading to a tense situation. The minister pointed out the discrepancy between the agreement not to amass forces in border areas and China's actual actions, including building up forces and military infrastructure along the border. This disregard for border pacts is what has strained the relationship between the two countries, especially following a recent clash in the Tawang sector of Arunachal Pradesh. The panel on the show 'Perspective' discusses the significance of the minister's remarks and the implications for India-China relations.
🏛️ China's Breach of Trust and India's Strategic Autonomy
The script discusses China's historical approach to border agreements with India, noting that despite numerous treaties and agreements since the 1950s, China has repeatedly breached trust. The panelists on 'Perspective' analyze China's aggressive policy, especially post-2005, and its impact on South Asia. They mention China's infrastructure development along the border and its objections to India's similar efforts, indicating a double standard. The discussion also touches on China's use of Pakistan to pressure India and the potential for regional tensions to escalate due to energy and resource competition in the Brahmaputra Basin.
🛤️ India's Infrastructure Development and Military Preparedness
This paragraph focuses on India's efforts to ramp up its border infrastructure and military capabilities. The discussion includes the construction of roads, bridges, and logistic supply systems, as well as the modernization of the Indian Air Force and Navy. The panelists emphasize the importance of being prepared to counter any Chinese aggression and the shift in India's strategic focus from the western to the northern border. They also mention the raising of India's Strike Corps as a deterrent to China and the country's readiness to defend itself against potential threats.
🌏 Geostrategic Interests and Regional Tensions
The script delves into China's deep geostrategic and geo-economic interests in South Asia, including its desire to control energy resources in the Brahmaputra Basin and its aggressive stance in the region. The panelists discuss China's expansionist policies and how they are perceived by South Asian countries, which are increasingly wary of China's influence. They also touch on the potential for regional tensions to escalate due to energy needs and the shifting balance of power in the area.
🕊️ The Need for Peace and Tranquility at the Border
The panelists on 'Perspective' stress the importance of peace and tranquility at the border for the normalization of India-China relations. They express skepticism about China's intentions, given its past actions and current policies. The discussion highlights the Indian government's firm stance that there cannot be normal relations with China as long as there is tension at the border. The panel also considers the impact of China's actions on its relations with South Asian countries and the broader implications for regional stability.
🌍 The Future of India-China Relations and Regional Dominance
In the final paragraph, the panelists reflect on the future of India-China relations, noting the current strain due to border tensions and China's expansionist ambitions. They discuss China's desire to dominate not just South Asia but the entire world, and its efforts to become a global power on par with the U.S. The conversation concludes with the recognition that while there is potential for economic cooperation between India and China, there are significant differences in their approaches to growth and development, and the need for India to remain vigilant against China's strategic encirclement.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Line of Actual Control (LAC)
💡Border Infrastructure
💡De-escalation
💡Strategic Autonomy
💡Belt and Road Initiative (BRI)
💡Aggression
💡Trade Relations
💡Quad
💡Energy Security
💡Diplomatic Alliances
💡Hegemonic Power
Highlights
External Affairs Minister Jay Shankar criticizes China for unilaterally trying to change the Line of Actual Control (LAC).
China not observing agreements with India on border issues, leading to a tense situation between the two countries.
Agreements between India and China not to amass forces in border areas have been disregarded by China.
China's building up of forces and military infrastructure along the border disregards Border pacts, straining the relationship.
Major clash between Indian and Chinese soldiers in the Galwan Valley, highlighting the ongoing tensions.
External Affairs Minister's message that China is responsible for escalating border tensions.
India's preparedness to maintain peace and tranquility on the border, contingent on China's actions.
Discussion on China's historical breaches of trust and aggressive foreign policy post-2005.
China's strategy to challenge the Western discourse in the Indo-Pacific region.
India's firm stand and strategic autonomy in the face of China's attempts to exert influence.
India's infrastructure development at the border in response to China's actions.
China's track record of breaching agreements and trust with India.
India's military and infrastructure preparedness to counterbalance China's actions.
The importance of building infrastructure to maintain peace and tranquility on the border.
China's geostrategic and geo-economic interests in South Asia and its aggressive approach.
India's modernization of its military forces and capabilities in response to China's actions.
Transcripts
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namaskar viewers hello and welcome to
Sunset TV I am tinaja you're watching
perspective when external affairs
minister Jay Shankar has once again
lombasted China for trying to
unilaterally change the line of actual
control in an interview with Austria's
National broadcaster ORF the minister
explained that China did not observe
agreements with India on Border issues
and that's why there is a tense
situation between the two neighbors he
elaborated that both sides had
agreements not to amass forces in the
Border areas but with Beijing building
up forces as well as military
infrastructure along the border China
has disregarded the Border pacts leading
to the current strained relationship now
coming just weeks after a major clash
between Indian and Chinese soldiers
along the Lac in tawang sector of
arunachal Pradesh what are the external
Affairs ministers blunt message signify
this and much more in perspective today
with an illustrious panel pleased to
welcome in the studio Professor Sanjay
bhardwaj he is from the Department of
South Asian studies
Professor bhardwaj thank you for your
time welcome to the program a major
general retired he's a defense expert
Major General sivaj thank you for your
time welcome to the program as well and
former Ambassador prabhude Ambassador
welcome to the program as well let me in
fact begin the program today with you
help us now viewers understand the
context the significance and most
importantly the timing of the external
Affairs Minister's remark lombastic
China
well the external affairs minister
was asked a question during an interview
and he was very forthright in his reply
uh we all know that the external affairs
minister does not put any punches he's
very straightforward he is to the point
and he very correctly pointed out that
the onus lies on China it is China which
is responsible for having escalated
border tensions and it is China which
has to take the initiative to
de-escalate on our part we will be well
prepared I think that was the message
which he sent across he pointed out that
it is the Chinese who were responsible
for the build up along the line of
factual control that they are the ones
who move their troops and that satellite
images were there to prove this so in
other words he was very very clear in
what he said that the Chinese have the
responsibility of now de-escalation
because it is they who have been
responsible for escalating the tension
Professor how do you decode the remark
by the external affairs minister
although it's a reiteration of India's
stand that the state of the Border will
determine the larger uh you know
framework of India China relations and
with the recent Clash that happened in
tawang the relations have of course
nosedive they are at the lowest ebb if
if we look at in that way
you know Ah that's true one thing is
that
the foreign minister he had been a
former ambassador to China and here also
is a practitioner now this is one thing
very clear that he has very good
understanding the Chinese mindset and
the Chinese policies that had been in
the past the Chinese you know from the
very beginning you can say from the
1950s itself they had been reaching the
different agreements and treaties that
had been done between India and China
particularly up if I'm I'm referring
about the Border understanding that has
come out in 1993 after Rajiv Gandhi's
visit to uh to to China Beijing in 1988
that had understanding has been
developed that we will engage ourselves
politically economically and we will
maintain status quo on border and in
there that understanding has been
developed in 1993 the particularly
institutionalized that we will maintain
peace and transportation on the border
and after that the following agreements
in 19 95 in 1996 you know the
comprehensive border understanding in
2003 and 2005 last that manman Singh has
visited uh had agreements with uh with
China but you know the Chinese they had
breached the trust time and again at the
way they are moving it is it is part of
Chinese a Chinese revisit revisiting
policy or you can say the Chinese
aggressiveness that they have come
developed in this foreign policy after
2005 or that has been executed you can
say from 2013 that they the way they are
going for belt and Road Institute now uh
the issue issue comes around that now
they are breaching because they want to
take India into different fault and not
on just India the other South Asian
countries into its fourth and that India
is having very independent very uh stand
and maintaining strategic autonomy
doesn't fall in the Chinese trap that
the Chinese are trying to challenge the
Western discourse in indo-pacific region
and that has resulted that number of
Transporters communities and and
aggressions particularly from doklam to
ah to the Galvan and all that things had
happened so the Chinese they have very
track records of reaching the trust and
not following the understanding that has
been developed and now we are moving
further to counter balance you know what
is happening the Chinese they are
developing infrastructures on their side
and whenever the India they are
developing infrastructures on its border
sites that under the Border area
development programs the Chinese they
have they they they they engaged in that
and had objections with with India the
foreign ministers categorically said
that you can see the satellite image
that the past track records and from
there you will see the evidences the
Chinese are breaching the trust and they
are reaching all the agreements that had
been signed between the two countries so
the point is simple that the Chinese is
had to accelerate themselves and they
have to maintain peace and Tranquility
what that has been concluded in 1993 and
that by the following agreements really
and confidential times maintaining peace
and Tranquility General Savage is
something that that from the Indian side
is supposed to be a prerequisite if you
want to normalize ties between India and
China that on numerous occasions has
been you know set forthright by the
external affairs minister India has made
it categorically clear but the fact that
we see no difference because of which uh
the incursion and The Clash happened at
the Wang recently but now with the new
Chinese foreign minister at the helm he
indicates that he wants to ease tensions
at the border can we trust China is the
question that of course would come to
mind Tina this is a million dollar
question asked Can We Trust China the
point is today that the China has a
border with 14 countries the land border
and it had resolved with 12 countries it
has already signed an agreement it is
India and Bhutan which they have not
signed so the region is very clear they
want to put India under pressure under
tension
this line of actual control is not
demarcated on ground there are three
sector Eastern sector Center sector and
Western sector Eastern sector is Central
sector is Himachal Pradesh and
uttarakhand and Western sector is
Eastern ladakh now the maps have not
been exchanged between India and China
of Eastern and the Western sector it is
only of the central sector so the point
today is that Q why China do what they
do you have to understand there is a
reason for it no they came in 2000 in
April May brought three division
violated protocol and an agreement of
1993 which says that you cannot
unilaterally change the status quo by
bringing so much force very close to the
line of actual control but why did they
do it they did it because they thought
that we are making a road the book show
dholatberg old and from there the
letters were going toward excitement so
they were worried that possibly India is
trying to do something
comes as when China was building up
their own infrastructure the India did
not object it
in last 50 years they have built up
roads they have made a Western Highway
they have made Bridges they have made
tunnel they have made the logistic
Supply when India started doing it that
is the time when they are now
questioning us now this is the biggest
problem which has come now anywhere and
everywhere wherever they have done
whether it is doklam of 2017 where or
galwan of 22
2020 and young say of 22-22 there is a
reason behind it now if you see why they
came to yangte and now there is a reason
for it just since I have commanded a
battalion there I've stayed in this post
I can only tell you the reason is simple
as that they know it this is an uh
height or a post which is about 17 000
feet which dominate almost 10 to 12
kilometer area towards Chinese and
Indian side it dominate the knock the
ball which is north of boomla and if
they can get a hold of this they can
peep inside up till cell and therefore
they have tried not once they have tried
last year also they have tried o5 time
before that all but that's a different
thing the Indian tropes are well
prepared and we sort of push them back
now the question is
why they did now
when you know they are already in their
situation not up to the mark the reason
is that they were having this covered
zero policy which was bouncing back
there is education of the people G20
presidency has come to India they don't
want the India to be looked as if it is
a coming a superpower then the sort of
relation which is improving between
India and U.S not to their liking so
they did what they did so the point is
that whatever agreement which they have
signed with us 93 96 2005 2013 they do
not follow it it is unilitely they shall
try to change the status quo and enough
is enough because till doklam we always
thought that Indian you know markets are
so huge that there is a trade between
India and China more than 100 billion
dollar and we are giving a huge Market
to Chinese good so they never will
attack us but 2017 when they came to
doklam that that myth was busted and
when they came to 2020 it was proved
Beyond doubt you cannot trust Chinese
now the question comes as for a China is
concerned are
present government is very clear there
cannot be a witness as usual till the
peace and Tranquility prevails on the
border now the relationship has been
linked with the border and that's why Dr
s j Shankar our minister of external
Affairs as well as our Prime Minister
Modi is very clear and I suppose that
pressure is working on the Chinese are
not feeling the heat of it you know
there are people say that having said so
how the trade is still increasing it has
increased almost about 10 to 15 percent
but possibly this is because we both are
member of the World Trade Organization
all of sudden whatever you know packed
with your sign five ten years back
cannot be diluted soon okay Ambassador
so my present is that things will happen
but we are very clear on this thing we
will not trust China will do what we are
doing we will keep on building
infrastructure and we will not set idle
till we build up infrastructure at par
with Chinese absolutely so I'll come
back to you and understand how you know
we are preparing ourselves trending our
capabilities as well but in the
meanwhile uh Ambassador coming back to
you and taking on from what general
sivat said that China is feeling the
heat the fact that India has
consistently maintained a firm stand do
you agree is that happening is that
somehow changing Chinese policy also or
can we expect in the New Year China to
actually adopt to a less aggressive and
less belligerent approach no China will
not adopt unless belligerent approach
you referred a little while back to the
statement by the new Chinese foreign
minister that he wants to have good
relations with India but you know
there's a huge difference between what
the Chinese say and what they actually
do on the ground
everything that they do on the ground
escalates tension and as general Savage
said they have been building their
infrastructure along the border
and now that we have tried to do a
little bit of infrastructure development
on our side of the Border they are
making a human cry they want to play the
relationship on their terms and I don't
think that they mean well towards India
at all the Chinese policy towards India
I'm afraid will continue to be extremely
mattified and they will use whatever
instrument they can to pressurize India
now for instance they use Pakistan in
this connection there is no doubt that
Pakistan is being strengthened by China
because this strengthening Works to
their advantage Pakistan uses whatever
little military muscle it can get
against India and the Chinese know that
again the Chinese prevent the
blacklisting of Pakistani terrorists by
the United Nations because again
Pakistan need to reserve the Chinese
interest indirectly so I'm afraid
Chinese intentions towards India will be
modified as indeed they are at the
moment and I don't think that we will
succumb to any kind of pressure from
China of course as you said there has
been some increase in trade but we
perhaps need these items and as general
sawat said it's not possible to break
trade relations because of multilateral
commitments but nonetheless we are doing
everything possible to take care of our
security interests and security
interests are definitely uppermost in
the relationship with China you're right
and because the fact that if Chinese are
unwilling to resolve the Border standoff
if it continues to persist as it has I
mean since 2020 when The galvar Clash
happened to 2022 December when another
Clash happened at tawang the fact that
it's a clear reflection that Chinese are
uncompromising in their approach and
therefore we need to strengthen our
capability so if we talk about taking
care of our security interests to ensure
that no such incidents happen in future
help us in our viewers you know
understand how well prepared are we what
is our approach in terms of ramping up
our border infrastructure and the
military capabilities also we must
understand one thing very clearly that
for first about 50 years our stand was
very different and especially in arnacha
Pradesh we always thought that if we
build up the infrastructure in
especially in our nacha Pradesh it will
help for the Chinese to come inside
India and that was our mindset imagine
and now the things have changed in last
10 to 15 years we are building roads we
are building bridges we are building
internal we are building logistic Supply
system we are building helipad and the
development taking place is huge now
starting from ladakh or naturopathic
there is about 30 000 kilometer of road
which has been built up seller internal
is coming Georgia tunnel is on the way
the question come is that we are fast
catching them of course it will take
another 10 years to go where the Chinese
are but remember the Chinese are also
not sitting idle having developed their
infrastructure earlier they are still
working very hard remember in Penang so
they have built two Bridges they can now
move their tanks also from northern side
of the Penang so to the southern side to
improve their reaction capability
because they learned a lot and we when
we occupied class rain at the same time
they have built up 3000 Villages very
close to line of actual control these
are not related but these are the
defended localities they have built up
the uh you can say larger Supply Depot
in Tibet autonomous region so Chinese
are also preparing but we have learned
our lesson we are preparing at a very
fast way my point is our approach is
three prong one is that we have to build
up our infrastructure which is state of
art which will help our troops to reach
to the location where they are required
at the earliest the second point which
is important is that we should able to
build up in a manner that our troops can
stay in these Heights third thing is we
have to motorize our Defense Forces and
and get the best of the weapon and
equipment I suppose we are going in the
correct direction as far as this is
concerned and what we have done is that
over a period of time we always thought
our enemy number one is Pakistan but
economically we have developed so much
now militarily we have become so much
developed that we know if that the
Pakistani is only irritant the biggest
threat which we can get is from the
northern border and hence our focus and
safety from western border to the
northern border what more important
thing which we have done is that we
raise our strike core Code 17 core and
which has been completely raised now
against Chinese and then we are are
shifted one strike code from the Western
sector to the northern sector so giving
a clear indication to China that don't
think you can only come in India we have
a capability and capacity to be counter
offensive we can come into China I think
that has made a matter difference the
psych has got changed now you know we'll
pay you even case if you try something
you know it is not 1962 it is 2023 now
so that what also has been said my
another issue which we should talk is
that it is not only the infrastructure
we are developing the way we have also
modernized our air force with two Rafael
cotton coming and one Rafael scored in
hachimara looking after the Chinese
border only and see the Navy what we
have done is we have already built up a
second aircraft carrier vikramath which
is indigenously prepared we will build
up thought what we have a capability
choking at the Malacca State should the
War take place we have capability of
choking and Chinese do not have oil more
than 40 50 days so over all Indian army
Indian Air Force Indian Navy is capable
of replying back to Chinese in the
language where they understand and one
thing is very important about Chinese
concern they have not fought war after
in 1979 they fought with Vetra and they
got a bloody nose there where an Indian
army is a battle-hearted they have been
staying in Sachin creation Western
so we are capable of Defending I suppose
Chinese have also understood but the key
to everything Tina is develop your
infrastructure be as capable as the
Chinese is and beat them in their game
absolutely so you write the approach on
that front is clear but the challenge
Professor bhardwaj lies not just at the
border but also in the other areas
wherein China could pose a Potential
Threat in fact I was going through a
recent study by European foundation for
South Asian studies and which says that
China is actually making a strategy to
not dominate The brahmaputra Basin so in
the times to come Regional tensions
within South Asia could also escalate
because of the energy shift that is
going to take place rapidly both in
China and India and with India now also
by late this year becoming the most
populated country in the world to fend
for the energy needs of you know uh such
a huge population perhaps these tensions
could could escalate how much depth how
much uh you know truth could you do you
see in these reports in these studies
that are being done by other think tanks
based in other parts of the world that's
that's you know it's a big issue about
the energy you know the Chinese how they
are basically uh developing their in
fresh success to ensure two things the
supply of the goods that what they are
producing Manufacturing in China in
different parts and how they can ensure
energy supply to the Chinese and for
that they have come out of different
infrastructure projects that is linked
with South Asian countries of course one
they are claiming that China Pakistan
economic Corridor through guadar Port
that they will link it to the Chinese
and another they are coming see Mac that
is China Myanmar economic corridors that
they wanted to avoid the chalk points
what they are talking they wanted to
avoid the Malacca dilemma what the
Chinese premium Premier has talked that
we have to avoid these choke points and
Malacca Dilemma to develop the
infrastructures the thing is that why
the Chinese are violating the Border
agreements and Status Quo On the Border
there are two things you they have very
deep geostrategic and geo-economic
interest in South Asia one is of course
they want to eat the 1.6 billion
people's the market the emerging markets
that all the South Asian economies are
amazing they are like India seven around
seven and Bangladesh and all these
countries so they want to come they are
already there they have through their
engagements and that's why they maintain
the status quo but now they are the the
the what they designed it is not going
as per their wishes and that is that's
why they have developed their expense
approach they have developed their
aggressiveness the second very important
point is that the Geo strategic unit two
vulnerable territory of China is
bordering South Asia that is one Tibet
and another sinkhyang and that is that
is the things and both are volatile
problematic for the Chinese and for that
they are they are making their presence
to in the bordering states of course
Nepal they are coming with different
projects giving those are not viable
projects but they are coming they have
they are taking interest in Afghanistan
in Pakistan and you know in in of course
you have categorically mentioned about
the ah the brahmaputra and macro ganga
Basin and that is you know I have
written a book on that the Chinese had
on India's history you know in that the
Chinese they want to control the energy
resources based in brahmaputra Basin and
that you know particularly in Myanmar
they have used ah Hydro carbon resources
in Myanmar in Indonesia Malaysia all
these and they don't want any any kind
of competitions that India trying to
develop through its activist policy and
now they have become very aggressive you
know that the way they are supporting
the military junita in Myanmar so that
the India because India promotes
Democratic ethos values in these
countries and because of that we could
not bring energy to to South Asia and
India so they are trying to come and
develop developed in developing interest
in energy sectors hydroelectricity in
Nepal they are they want to invest in in
Bangladesh they want to invest in their
uh their gas fields and of course in all
the Southeast Asian countries the what
is happening the policy that the two
countries India and China has developed
let's engage economically let's maintain
status quo has converted now into the
balance of power and containment policy
what general shivas is talking that
containment policy we have capacity we
have developed world-class Naval Force
to counter the Chinese you got the 85
percent of Chinese energy trade takes
place through South China Sea to Malacca
and then and the Indian Ocean region so
we have developed and we can challenge
the the Chinese threats what they are
posing on the Himalayan regions and you
know that would not go in the good taste
what the because both the both the
countries the economies are emerging
economy the Chinese they they are
claiming to become the superpower they
cannot become like developing these
Middle Kingdom theories and you know
when you say emergency emerging Powers
the fact that Ambassador I'm reminded of
what the Prime Minister said at the
Shangri-La dialogue that this is the
Asian Century where in both China and
India have to work together because this
Century belongs to us clearly if the
continuation of the impulse say you know
the current Empire say is not beneficial
for either of the countries we are both
you know important players in South Asia
and for China to understand that their
actions and words have to converge with
each other when you talk about relations
with India so in that aspect is there
anything that that can be expected from
China because clearly India wants better
relations it's just that we want peace
and Tranquility at the border that is
something that China is not able to
assure
China is not able to assure because it
doesn't fit in with China's policy China
wants to dominate the region China is
expansionist
and while we talk of the 21st century as
being Asia Century China speaks of it as
being China's Century China wants to be
the predominant Global power and because
India is growing steadily in economic
might and in other ways China wants to
put us down China wants to make us feel
uneasy and for this whether it is
forging diplomatic alliances with
countries like Pakistan and being all
whether friends with them or whether it
is troubling us at our borders and
increasing hostility and tension there
China will restore to all such means and
methods so we will be on guard as the
government has made it clear and they
cannot be normal relations with China as
long as there is tension at the border
because of Chinese build-ups and Chinese
activities I'll take one last comment
from you the future of India China
relations of course we know it's it's a
in a very strained phase at the moment
especially post Galvan and now with the
current Clash at tawang but the fact
that it is in the interest of both
countries and as a mature neighbor it's
important for China to understand that
it cannot grow in the region without
India so of course they it wants to
become the hegemonic power in the region
but for its country for the larger good
of the country in the times to come it's
important for it to acknowledge India's
presence absolutely Tina the China aim
is very different they want to dominate
to not only South Asia the whole world
they want to become a Power which is at
par with U.S and beat them sometime and
that is why the quad has come you know
quad is basically to a free open and
inclusive window Pacific it is not only
in South basically in South Asia also in
indo-pacific now as far as India is
concerned remember that the China field
we are competitor and they don't like a
competitor and that's why they are
surrounding us you imagine how they have
make adjusting in Myanmar
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they are trying to surround it so never
underestimate China that we can stay
together and why can't economically both
of us can cooperate so that it is a 21st
century where a century of Asia I don't
think so that is what is understood by
China China aim is different China is
trying to surround India and therefore
if we have to fight a war especially in
from in ladakh to arunachal Pradesh it
is India which has to fight no one is
going to support you it is only maybe
that equipment or weapon may be given by
U.S you have to fight but when it comes
when it's about growth and development
we are completely on two opposite phases
very very quickly 30 seconds Professor
yes see the Chinese rise is not peaceful
and the South Asian countries they have
understood you know the way the Sri
Lanka the the development took place in
Nepal about bakra support the people are
very concerned in Bangladesh they are
very conscious about that what the
Maldives they are doing so you know the
people now not believing testing Chinese
easily and that would make more
difficult for China clearly and that
development model uh that differs
between India and China is something
that is now exposed people know what the
Chinese design is but the time runs out
I'll have to wind up at that thank you
once again gentlemen for joining me on
the program sharing your thoughts your
views with us and our viewers and thank
you very much viewers to you as well for
your time I'll see you same time
tomorrow take good care of yourselves
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