‘Morally lost’: Douglas Murray on ‘ignorant kids’ at pro-Palestine protests at universities
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses various social and political issues, highlighting the ignorance or sinister intentions of individuals who chant for 'intifada' without understanding its historical context of violence. It criticizes those who downplay the persecution of minorities in certain regions while drawing false equivalencies with places like Texas. The speaker also addresses the Garrick Club's decision to admit women for the first time, questioning the necessity of integrating every space and suggesting that those concerned about gender segregation should focus on more significant issues, such as gender-segregated spaces in mosques. The conversation touches on the importance of diversity in professions, particularly in train driving, and the speaker sarcastically calls for an extreme form of diversity to counter systemic bigotry.
Takeaways
- 📰 The speaker praises Douglas for writing a column about college students who may not fully understand the implications of their political chants and slogans.
- 👨🎓 There is a concern that some students are either sinister in their intentions or simply ignorant of the full meaning of the terms they use, such as 'intifada'.
- 💥 The discussion touches on the historical context of the second intifada, including suicide bombings against Israelis, to highlight the seriousness of the term being chanted.
- 🧐 The speaker questions whether students at American universities are aware of the violent history associated with the terms they use and hopes for their education on the matter.
- 🚫 The conversation criticizes those who downplay the treatment of minorities, including gay people, in certain regions by making false equivalencies with situations in the United States.
- 🗣️ The speaker calls out a journalist, Taylor Loren, for what they perceive as ignorance and a lack of journalistic integrity in her coverage of the Palestinian issue.
- 🏛️ The Garrick Club, a historically men-only club, has decided to allow women to become members, causing a debate on the necessity of single-sex spaces.
- 🤔 The speaker humorously challenges those concerned about gender segregation to address the issue in mosques and other more prevalent locations before focusing on niche clubs.
- 🚂 A BBC report on the lack of diversity among train drivers in the UK is mentioned, prompting sarcastic remarks about the need for diversity in all areas of professional life.
- 🏳️🌈 The speaker uses irony to criticize the obsession with diversity, suggesting that only when every profession is represented by every possible demographic will society be considered free and equal.
- 📈 The discussion implies a broader commentary on the state of political correctness, media bias, and the importance of understanding the context and consequences of political话语 (discourse).
Q & A
What does the speaker praise Douglas for?
-The speaker praises Douglas for writing a fantastic column that educates people about the term 'Intifada' and its implications.
What are the two types of people the speaker refers to in the context of chanting for 'Intifada'?
-The speaker refers to 'Sinister' ones who know what they are talking about and 'silly' ones who chant the slogan without fully understanding its meaning.
What event from the Second Intifada does the speaker mention?
-The speaker mentions the 2001 bombing of the Dolphinarium nightclub in Tel Aviv by a Palestinian suicide bomber.
What is the speaker's concern about students at American universities?
-The speaker is concerned that students may not understand the full meaning of the slogans they chant, such as 'decolonization by any means necessary,' and worries about the moral implications if they do understand but still support such actions.
What does the speaker say about Taylor Loren from the Washington Post?
-The speaker criticizes Taylor Loren as not being a real journalist, accusing her of downplaying the crimes against minorities in Gaza and making inappropriate comparisons to the situation in Texas and Florida.
What change has the Garrick Club recently made regarding membership?
-The Garrick Club has decided to allow women to become members for the first time in its 190-year history.
What is the speaker's view on single-sex clubs like the Garrick Club?
-The speaker believes that if women want to join an all-women's club and men want to join an all-men's club, they should be allowed to do so, and that the issue is being blown out of proportion by certain media outlets.
How does the speaker react to the BBC's report on the lack of diversity among train drivers in the UK?
-The speaker finds the report banal and argues that the focus on the 'white' demographic is an insult, pointing out that the majority of train drivers in other countries tend to match the majority demographic of those countries.
What challenge does the speaker pose to those concerned about sex-segregated spaces?
-The speaker challenges them to address the issue of sex-segregated spaces in mosques, which are more prevalent and significant than the issue at the Garrick Club.
What is the speaker's opinion on the need for diversity in professions dominated by white men?
-The speaker is sarcastic about the notion, suggesting that the focus on diversity is misguided and that it is 'systemic bigotry' that must be addressed starting with the Garrick Club, mosques, and then moving on to other areas.
What does the speaker find ludicrous about the discussion around the Garrick Club's membership policy?
-The speaker finds it ludicrous that the club, which has a long waiting list and requires recommendations from existing members, is now the center of a debate about inclusivity and diversity.
Outlines
🗣️ Campus Activism and Ignorance on 'Intifada'
The first paragraph discusses the issue of college students engaging in activism without fully understanding the implications of their slogans. The speaker praises Douglas for educating people about the term 'Intifada', questioning whether the students advocating for it are aware of its historical context, which includes suicide bombings and violence against civilians. The speaker expresses concern that some students might be morally lost if they truly understand what they are advocating for, while hoping that others are merely ignorant and can be educated on the matter.
🏛️ The Garrick Club's Decision to Admit Women
The second paragraph focuses on the Garrick Club's historic vote to allow women as members for the first time. The speaker finds the controversy over the club's exclusivity to be trivial and overblown. They argue that if women want to join an all-women's club and men an all-men's club, they should be free to do so. The speaker also challenges those concerned about segregated spaces to address the gender segregation in mosques, which is a more significant issue. They conclude by sarcastically suggesting that true equality will only be achieved when every profession is diversified, including having black teenage transsexuals driving trains in the UK.
🚂 The Call for Diversity in Professions Dominated by White Men
The third paragraph addresses the BBC's revelation that train drivers in the UK are predominantly white and middle-aged, and the subsequent call for diversity in the profession. The speaker criticizes the BBC and others for their focus on the ethnicity of train drivers, arguing that it is natural for the majority demographic to be represented in well-paid professions. They point out the absurdity of expecting every profession to be equally diverse and suggest that the real issue is systemic bigotry that needs to be addressed in various areas of society, starting with exclusive clubs, mosques, and professions like train driving.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Decolonization
💡Intifada
💡Ignorance vs. Sinister Intent
💡LGBT Groups for Palestine
💡Media Bias
💡Garrick Club
💡Segregated Spaces
💡Diversity in Professions
💡Systemic Bigotry
💡Mosques and Gender Segregation
💡Train Drivers and Representation
Highlights
The column discusses the issue of college students supporting or chanting for 'intifada' without fully understanding its meaning and history, including suicide bombings against Israelis.
The speaker questions whether the students are morally lost or simply ignorant of the implications of supporting intifada.
The comparison is made between the actions of suicide bombers in Israel and the ignorance of some American college students supporting the same ideology.
The importance of understanding the full meaning of words and slogans being chanted is emphasized.
The absurdity of LGBT groups supporting Palestine is questioned, given the lack of freedoms for LGBT individuals in Gaza and the Palestinian territories.
Taylor Loren of the Washington Post is criticized for downplaying the persecution of minorities, including gay people, in Gaza and Palestine.
The speaker mocks the idea that all professions dominated by white men, such as train drivers in the UK, must be diversified.
The Garrick Club's decision to admit women for the first time in its 190-year history is discussed, with some members reportedly threatening to resign.
The speaker argues that single-sex clubs should be allowed to exist if members so choose, and criticizes the focus on the Garrick Club as trivial.
A challenge is issued to those concerned about segregated spaces to first address gender segregation in mosques, which is far more prevalent.
The BBC is criticized for its focus on the majority of UK train drivers being white males, rather than addressing more significant issues.
The speaker finds it inevitable that most train drivers in a predominantly white country like the UK would be white.
The absurdity of the idea that every profession and institution, from the Garrick Club to train drivers, must be diverse is highlighted.
The need to address actual systemic bigotry and discrimination, rather than symbolic issues like Garrick Club membership, is emphasized.
The decline of the Washington Post and the presence of biased journalists like Taylor Loren is lamented.
The speaker expresses concern that many people, including media professionals, do not understand the full implications of the causes they support.
Transcripts
yes uh now I've got to praise you again
Douglas because you have written a
fantastic column for morons for the
college kids uh cosplaying uh being part
of some sort of a teror cell on campus
uh chanting for inata uh you've been
very good to educate him about what
precisely an inata means but I wonder
Douglas whether they actually know what
it means they are aware of its full
meaning and they're chanting it any way
many of them have said in recent months
decolonization by any means
necessary it's extraordinary isn't it r
i mean you effectively see once again
something you and I have talked about in
a number of contexts which is which is
people who must either be Sinister or
silly the Sinister ones know what
they're talking about when they chant
for in the silly ones are chanting a
slogan they C really don't understand so
so let me let me speak to the second
once for a moment as I tried to in this
article um if you call for interf you
should know what an interfa is there was
an interf when I was growing up in the
uh in the late 90s there was one in the
earli 90s but the the second intera
included uh suicide bombings against uh
Israelis of the most gruesome type uh I
mentioned in that piece the 2001 bombing
of the dolphinarium nightclub in Tel
Aviv where a Palestinian suicide bomber
detonated by a group of young women
trying to get into the club um these
these women are the same age were the
same age as these women chanting for
interart now at Colombia and in LA and
in other uh reprehensible educational
institutions in the US I wonder if if
these students know that a suicide
bomber went into the cafeteria of a
university in Jerusalem uh in that same
period and blew up and murdered uh among
other things American students who are
trying to have a cup of coffee in the
middle of their studies I wonder if
these disgusting and ignorant kids kids
at American universities have any idea
that that's what they're calling for and
if they do then they are morally lost to
an extent that they probably could come
back from but if they're just ignorant
which I really really hope they are I
hope that to steal one of the phrases
they're so keen on using themselves they
do the work and realize what the words
they chant actually
mean well uh that's that's the the
question and I do really worry that so
many of them do have an understanding of
what they're chanting for because uh
some of the justifications the Mad R
rationalizations we've heard in recent
months uh uh send a chill up your spine
and we're seeing some craziness also
from media folk who should know better
even much of the left uh sees the
absurdity of the LGBT groups for
Palestine uh I mean they understand how
ludicrous that is but apparently that's
lost on the Washington posts Taylor
laoren
many of the people in these marginalized
groups obviously they are fighting for
um Palestine right for the Palestinians
and for what's happening in Gaza but yet
in Gaza they would not have any freedom
you know they don't have freedoms in
Texas and Florida does that mean but
they don't but I understand
that oh my gosh
Douglas I don't know exactly what rights
gay people don't have in in Texas and
Florida but even Don Lemon had to step
in to uh bring some
sanity to that
discussion taylen Loren is a complete
Airhead know nothing she's not a
journalist never has been and
unfortunately the Washington Post has
given her a birth of a Kind where she um
does totally unimportant work and sort
of just jibbers away about obsessions of
her own but you know that what she just
said there is again a demonstration of a
complete lost person a morally lost
person she's so desperate to make her
points such as she can about the
Palestinians or Gaza that she honestly
wants to to not just deny what is
happening in Gaza in and in the
Palestinian areas towards uh gay people
and and indeed all minorities she has to
find a way to to get away from that
unfortunate problem that the people
she's essentially on the side of as
she's downplaying what they do they that
they throw gay people off buildings and
so on she's downplaying that by saying
well it's the same in Texas you know I'm
pretty sure I've been a fair amount to
Texas I love the great state of Texas
I'm pretty sure you can't just throw
gays off buildings there and I'm certain
that anyone tried it uh uh they would be
prosecuted to the full extent of the law
and because actually also throwing
people off buildings is as a whole in
its entirety illegal in the state of
Texas and not just the gays you can't
throw anyone off a building in Texas so
if Taylor Loren honestly wants to defend
her apparently friends in hamaz to such
an extent she should realize that she
should really find a new way of doing so
because all she's done here is tried to
ignore the crimes of hamaz and actually
smear uh the state of Texas among others
and uh so so well anyway good luck to
her with whatever Griff she's got coming
next but it's a great shame because the
Washington Post used to be a fine paper
and and used to employ and still does
employ some very good journalists so
they must be so embarrassed to have
Loren among their
midsts well yeah Washington Post isn't
what it used to be and before the
Washington Post she was at the New York
Times so she's been at some uh major
Publications but that's the thinking
right there let's talk a little bit
about men only clubs the Garrick Club
has succumbed to pressure and voted to
allow women to become members for the
first time in its 190e history Douglas
this is a famed club uh it's said to be
bitterly split on this issue though uh
BBC W Affairs editor John sibson last
week tweeted that various Garrett club
members including musicians sting and
Mark Nola and leading actors and
producers have reportedly uh written to
the chairman saying they'll resign if
the membership doesn't vote to accept
women next Tuesday that vote's taken
place and women will be accepted what's
your take on this Douglas is this fair
enough that in 2024 we shouldn't have
segregated spaces or should men and
women if they opt to be able to just be
amongst their own and uh I don't know
have some
peace yeah I mean you first of all isn't
it hilarious Rita the guard you know
really at the Forefront of the issues of
our day none of us will be free until
everyone can join the Garrick club uh
until they discover that it's club that
it takes years of waiting to be a member
and you have to be recommended by people
already members it's so ludicrous and
such a sort of Niche ridiculously Elite
sort of argument that these people like
the guardian obsess about I love John
Simpson and Stephen Fry and these other
celebrities they joined an all male Club
I mean they joined an all male club and
now they're say unless we accept women
after my 50 years of membership I've
just discovered that there are no women
members in the club it's appalling I I
don't know how observant these people
are um uh it's it's so ridiculous I mean
my view is that uh if women want to join
an all Women's Club and men want to join
an all men's club and by the way women
can come to the Garrick as guests if
they want to and so on it's not a big
deal there were some people going on
about segregated spaces and so on well
I've got a challenge for them and indeed
a challenge for the Guardians um if
you're worried about sex segregated
spaces why don't you go to mosques up
and down the United Kingdom and
elsewhere and find rooms that women Rita
are not allowed to go into and this is a
much bigger scale than the Garrick Club
the Garett Club has quite a large
membership but I bet it's not the same
membership as all of the mosques in the
UK and then they should go and they
should make sure that every one of these
male only areas in mosques are having
women introduced to them so good luck to
the guardian good luck to John Simpson
Stephen Fry and the rest of them in the
next step of your great Crusade after
the Garrick go for all of the mosques in
the UK and good luck guys you're going
to need it
and after they've done that they can get
on to the issue of workplace diversity
because you wrote a fantastic piece
about that on uh in The Spectator this
week uh it's apparently crucial that
every profession where white men
dominate is Diversified in every
meaningful way uh and I don't know how I
missed this BBC Splash uh they've uh
revealed uh train drivers are
overwhelmingly in the UK white male and
middle-aged goodness me uh and that just
won't do Douglas will it there needs to
be changed
immediately it's completely shocking rer
you and I know that women dream of the
thrill of becoming train drivers they
they they they just thrill to the the
Romance of the rail network and and so
many almost all women I know desperately
want to drive trains and no again nobody
will be free until 50% of people people
driving trains are women and uh the
other odity of this of course is not
just I mean it's the banality of the
observation of the bbcs I mean always
always this use of the term white as an
insult you know of course the majority
of people who drive trains are likely
likely to be male uh and uh just you
know there's a reason why it tends to be
men single men standing at the end of
train platforms noting the numbers of
trains you don't often notice single
women doing that um and then and then
this obession about the fact that
they're white oh middle aged of course
that's a terrible thing to be presumably
if they were all octogenarians that
would be fine but but but the uh but the
white thing is where the uh BBC and
others really want to attack here um
again uh Britain is an overwhelmingly
white majority country uh so it's sort
of inevitable that in a job like driving
a train which is quite well paid it's
not a high status profession but it's a
necessary and important profession it's
sort of inevitable that uh most people
would be white I I find when I go to
China that most of the people driving
trains there are Chinese and uh when
I've been to India I noticed the
predominance the appalling predominance
of Indian train drivers it's quite
outrageous and once again uh the BBC
should apply this this extraordinary
fact findinding that it does to these
other places uh uh none of us will be
free until everyone can be a member of
the Garrick club and uh every single
train in the UK is driven by a black
teenage uh uh
transsexual uh clearly that's the only
way to solve the problem you and I know
it it's systemic bigotry and it must
stop and we can start with the Garrick
but we've got to move on to the mosques
and then the trains and everything else
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