Gold Experience Requiem vs Made in Heaven | Who Would Win?
Summary
TLDRThe video script explores the hypothetical battle between Jojo's Bizarre Adventure characters: Giorno Giovanna's Gold Experience Requiem and Pucci's Made in Heaven. It delves into their abilities, with Requiem's 'Return to Zero' and 'Infinite Death Loop' facing off against Made in Heaven's time acceleration. The script discusses various win scenarios, from Requiem's dominance to Made in Heaven's narrative purpose of achieving happiness, concluding that while both have strengths, Requiem's power seems insurmountable.
Takeaways
- 🤔 The debate between Gold Experience Requiem and Made in Heaven's power has been ongoing for nearly 20 years.
- 👥 The characters in question are Jodoro, the son of Dio, and Pucci, Dio's best friend.
- 🌀 Made in Heaven is a Time-accelerating Stand that can manipulate the universe's gravity to speed up time, even shortening Jodoro's time stop.
- ⚔️ Gold Experience Requiem has abilities like infinite deaths, Return to Zero, and retains powers from its previous forms like Life Giver and Selfie.
- 📈 Made in Heaven's time acceleration isn't instantaneous but gradually increases until the universe resets.
- 🔮 Pucci's Stand, Made in Heaven, allows him to see the fate of those who live into the new universe he creates.
- 💡 Gold Experience Requiem's Return to Zero is a causality manipulation ability that can undo any action or invert cause and effect.
- 🌌 The infinite death loop is an after-effect of Requiem's victory, trapping the defeated in an endless cycle of death.
- 📚 Stand guides suggest Gold Experience Requiem might be the strongest Stand, with the power to nullify all other abilities.
- 🕰️ There's a narrative implication that Requiem energy allows control over living souls, suggesting a power beyond typical Stand abilities.
Q & A
What is the main debate discussed in the video?
-The main debate discussed in the video is whether Gold Experience Requiem or Made in Heaven would win in a fight, a question that has been pondered by fans for nearly 20 years since the ending of Part 6, Stone Ocean.
What are the key reasons why this debate is significant?
-The debate is significant because it involves two characters who are on opposite sides of Dio, the son of Dio (Jotaro) and his best friend (Pucci), and the comparison of their powers, Requiem and Heaven, which are considered by many to achieve Dio's heaven in some form.
What is Made in Heaven's primary ability?
-Made in Heaven's primary ability is time acceleration. It can manipulate the entire universe's gravity to make time progress faster, eventually leading to the end of the universe and its reset.
How does Made in Heaven's time acceleration affect other Stand abilities?
-Made in Heaven's time acceleration is so powerful that it can shorten Jotaro's time stop ability by a few seconds due to the speeding up of time.
What is Gold Experience Requiem's Return to Zero ability?
-Return to Zero is a semi-passive ability of Gold Experience Requiem that allows the user to redirect any cause to any effect and undo anything, effectively returning an action or will to zero.
How does Gold Experience Requiem's Return to Zero ability compare to other Stand abilities?
-Return to Zero is considered one of the strongest abilities in the series as it can revert any attack or action back to zero, making it superior to many other Stand abilities.
What is the significance of the Requiem energy mentioned in the video?
-The Requiem energy is significant because it is said to dominate living souls and is associated with a power that goes beyond typical Stand abilities, suggesting a level of control over life itself.
What are the different win scenarios presented in the video?
-The video presents multiple win scenarios, including Gold Experience Requiem being the ultimate Stand, the Requiem power dominating Made in Heaven, Pucci not having the will to fight against Gold Experience Requiem, a time limit on Gold Experience Requiem's power, and the narrative implications of the Requiem power versus Made in Heaven's purpose.
What is the author's personal opinion on the debate?
-The author leans towards scenario two and five, where the Requiem power and its narrative purpose give Gold Experience Requiem an advantage over Made in Heaven, but acknowledges that if certain facts about Gold Experience Requiem are disproven, Made in Heaven could potentially win.
How does the video address the translation and interpretation of Stand abilities?
-The video acknowledges that the translation from Japanese to English can lead to subjective interpretations of what constitutes the 'ultimate Stand' and that these interpretations can vary based on the Stand stats and guidebook statements.
What is the importance of the narrative purpose of the Stands in determining the outcome of the debate?
-The narrative purpose of the Stands is crucial in determining the outcome because it sets the overall theme and goal of their powers. Gold Experience Requiem's narrative is to fight or achieve godlike power, while Made in Heaven aims for universal happiness, which influences how their abilities are perceived in the context of the debate.
Outlines
🤔 Introduction to the Debate
The script introduces a long-standing debate among fans of the series, stemming from the conclusion of Part 6, Stone Ocean. The central question revolves around a hypothetical battle between two characters, Jotaro Kujo and Giorno Giovanna, both connected to the antagonist Dio. The debate is fueled by their respective Stand abilities: Made in Heaven and Gold Experience Requiem. The narrator sets the stage by mentioning fan art and previous discussions on the topic, hinting at the complexity of the debate that spans nearly two decades.
🌀 Understanding Made in Heaven
The script delves into the first of the two Stands in question, Made in Heaven. It is described as a Time-accelerating Stand, originally conceived by Dio. Made in Heaven manipulates the gravitational forces of the Earth and the Moon to accelerate time, with Pucci being the only one capable of moving freely within this accelerated timeline. The ability is so potent that it can even shorten Jotaro's time stop. The script also discusses the fate notes, a byproduct of Pucci's victory over the universe, which allow creatures in the new universe to see their predetermined fate.
💥 Exploring Gold Experience Requiem
The script then shifts focus to Gold Experience Requiem, Giorno's Stand. It is characterized by its ability to inflict infinite deaths and Return to Zero, a causality manipulation that can undo any action or invert cause and effect. The discussion highlights Giorno's ability to prevent certain fates, such as the defeat by King Crimson, due to Return to Zero. The script also mentions the infinite death loop as an aftereffect of Gold Experience Requiem's victory, trapping defeated opponents in an endless cycle of death.
🔍 Analyzing the Abilities and Win Scenarios
The script discusses the various abilities of both Stands and the potential win scenarios. It touches upon the physical and narrative implications of Requiem energy and how it might interact with Made in Heaven's time acceleration. The narrator considers different interpretations of the abilities and how they might clash, suggesting that the outcome could be influenced by factors beyond the abilities themselves.
🏆 Conclusion and Personal Opinion
In conclusion, the script presents several win scenarios for both characters, emphasizing the subjective nature of the debate due to the vagueness of the Stand stats and the interpretive flexibility allowed by the guidebooks. The narrator shares a personal leaning towards scenarios that favor Gold Experience Requiem due to its narrative buildup and the power of Return to Zero. The script ends with a call to action for viewers to engage with the content and a humorous note about the chaotic nature of the debate.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Gold Experience Requiem
💡Made in Heaven
💡Return to Zero
💡Infinite Death Loop
💡Time Acceleration
💡Stand
💡Dio
💡Giorno Giovanna
💡Fate
💡Debate
💡Narrative
Highlights
Discussion of a 20-year-old debate comparing the characters Jotaro Kujo and Pucci after part 6 of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
Comparison of Dio's son, Jotaro, and Dio's best friend, Pucci, in terms of their Stand abilities.
Introduction of the Stands Made in Heaven and Gold Experience Requiem.
Made in Heaven described as a Time-accelerating Stand with gravitational manipulation abilities.
Gold Experience Requiem's ability to cause infinite deaths and Return to Zero explained.
Pucci's strategic intelligence and experience as a villain highlighted.
Gold Experience Requiem's potential to surpass other Stand abilities discussed.
Guidebook statements suggesting Gold Experience Requiem's power to nullify all other Stands.
The concept of Requiem energy's dominance over living souls introduced.
Analysis of how time acceleration and Return to Zero might interact.
Scenario outlining Gold Experience Requiem as the ultimate Stand and its implications.
Argument that Requiem's power is so strong it could dominate Made in Heaven.
Discussion on the physical stats of Gold Experience Requiem versus Made in Heaven.
The possibility of Gold Experience Requiem having a time limit on its power.
Narrative implications of the Requiem Stands and their goals in the story.
Conclusion that aligns Requiem's power with its narrative role as beyond Stand abilities.
Final opinion siding with the argument that Gold Experience Requiem would win the fight.
Transcripts
it's not for a classic match-up hello
everybody my name is metis and I think
it's friendly time I do this video for
nearly 20 plus years a question has been
pondered ever since the ending of part 6
Stone ocean who had went in a fight gold
experience Requiem or made in heaven why
this question comes up a lot is is for a
number of reasons but I think the
biggest is well these two characters are
for one the son of Dio versus the best
friend of Dio and two the idea of a
Requiem versus a heaven stand which one
is just stronger which idea is just
better as many would consider both of
these characters achieving Dio's heaven
in some manner or form on top of that
there is a lot of fan art of this fight
happening because people like to put
jorno at the ending of part six for a
lot of reasons because it's just cool in
general but you know what if Jordan
actually did show up at the ending of
part 6 and fought Pucci with gold
experience Requiem what would have
happened this argument is almost 20
years old this month as the date I'm
recording this is April 3rd so I the
time this video is probably near a month
old this conversation has been going on
for 20 years this argument is older than
me crazy also if you want more made in
heaven and gold experience content I've
already made some here on the channel
beforehand and I will be actually
referencing both of those videos in this
video a lot so just FYI if you want
context enough of the Preamble let's
start this so the first thing here I
will be talking about is their abilities
each as we need context for their
abilities and powers for later in the
video starting off with the easiest one
here would be made in heaven made in
heaven is a Time accelerating stand
originally thought out by Dio himself
and his Heaven plan described in the
part 6 stand stats quote it is
impossible to explain this phenomenon in
great detail but made in Heaven's
standability utilizes the gravitational
power of the Earth and the moon
basically the whole universe to increase
the speed of time no living organism is
able to keep up the only one who can
move freely within it is poochie and
essentially God himself end quote shown
in the ending of part 6 Pucci is able to
manipulate the entire entire universe's
gravity to make time go forward it is
shown throughout the entire ending of
that fight that he's able to make time
move progressively faster and faster
till the end of the universe until it
resets itself this time manipulation is
so good that even jodoro's time stop is
actually shortened by a few seconds
because of the speeding up of time also
the speeding up of time at least would
have shown from part 6 is not
instantaneous it takes some time before
the universe will end how long that time
is that's up for interpretation but it
is a gradual effect but poochie and made
in heaven can freely choose where this
acceleration stops and starts as it said
at the very ending of Part 6 with his
fight with Emporio on top of that any
creature that lives into the new
universe that Pucci has made thanks to
the acceleration of time because the old
one had ended and the new one I started
again has the ability to see their fate
notes on that only see they can't like
change their fate it's like
predetermined and they can't you know
beat it or whatever they just can see it
now but how fast is he you know that's
kind of the answer I'm trying to get to
here so I'll explain that to you pretty
fast he's either depending on the stand
stats either infinite speed on a mid
bolt or depending on how you look at his
ability and what is shown in the part 6
manga he could fit under the
classification of any measurable speed
type character as he's able to time
travel and you know reset the universe
because of his speed and his
manipulation of gravity of the universe
because time travel is immeasurable we
don't know how it works Iraqi doesn't
even go in depth on how the ability
actually truly functions in the stand
stats so literally the author himself to
at least a finite degree thinks he's
miserable unknowingly I might add here's
what I would put the stats of the
character like his AP and stuff but uh
that's for later in the video as there's
an argument connected to it so we'll
save it for later but what I will talk
about now here is Pucci himself because
Pucci is no pushover having almost the
same exact stand experience jodaro has
roughly being about 23 years probably
actually a bit longer my man has a very
large body count shown in part six
because how many stand discs he has and
has been shown multiple times to
outsmart Jolene and friend group
casually his most known one is making
jodo decide the universe or his daughter
in a very big IQ play realizing that he
knows the Joe star's weaknesses he is
the type of villain to take every
Advantage possible to defeat his
opponents always being placed in a
better position than the other side the
biggest example of this is Pucci in the
made in heaven fight trying to get
closer and closer to jodo to finish him
off eventually using Jolene his weakness
to defeat him poochie is not a pushover
enter gold experience Requiem and jono
Giovanna a quote from its stand stats a
stand power that manifested when a stand
was pierced with the arrow those who are
struck by this power will even have
their deaths reported 2-0 and thus
continuously die an infinite number of
times gold experienced requiem's
abilities are very few but extremely
interesting infinite deaths and Return
To Zero Return To Zero is a semi-passive
ability to well return an action to 0 it
is a form of causality manipulation
where the user can redirect any cause to
any effect and undo anything or invert
the relation cause slash effect in
specific with gr it procs because
somebody is trying to attack Giorno or
ger like a physical action to harm him
and gr will cause the ability to
activate returning that attack slash
action back to zero and to clarify with
the stanstat statement about its ability
will usually refers to in JoJo's like
your fighting Spirit slasher stand
ability but your will could also refer
to your literal human will return to
zero is so powerful King Crimson a stand
that can pre-cog fate was destined to
beat Giorno in this fight but thanks to
Return To Zero that fate slash truth
never happened allowing gr to prevent
that fate that was going to happen to
him and jono and beat King Crimson and
diavolo some people like to say thanks
to this feat gr is above fate I would
say kind of to that it depends on the
scenario but yes only being applicable
to like a stand fight when he's being
harmed would I say that is true Return
To Zero has to be one of the strongest
abilities in Jojo and definitely within
the original Universe like I said
reverting your attack slash action slash
Wills to zero making you useless
allowing gr to body you into the ground
like he did diavolo so up next is the
infinite death Loop how does it work
does it actually play any use here well
not really because it's more like of an
after effect of ger winning but more or
less you just get put into an infinite
death Loop that's never actually been
explained very thoroughly at all and we
don't know how it starts or why it
starts and why it just keeps on going
forever more or less it's just one giant
trap card to keep you in a loop forever
to die and some people might say well no
it's an actual passive ability like
Return To Zero it's not there's not a
lot of evidence to say that it actually
does that without going into headcanon
territory and like no guidebook
statements which I will get into soon
here back that up they only ever really
just say it has the ability to put you
in an infinite death Loop that's all
it's really vague there's nothing that
really backs up with this ability more
or less how you can see it at least in
this video it's just basically the
wincon effect after gr wins you just
like get put into a infinite death Loop
and ggs but that's not all gr also shows
the abilities of his previous form gold
experience I'll just shortly list them
off but they do have their powers and
their uses number one being life Giver
jono has the ability to bestow life into
any object making it into a small
creature number two damage reflection
since goal experience Requiem has life
giver and must also have damage
reflection damage reflection is what
happens when somebody hits a small
creature that Giorno has made and the
Damage they put onto an animal gets
automatically reflected on back to them
the next one would be life shot lifeshot
basically makes a person think really
really fast with actually not moving at
all as they have too much energy that
their body can't keep up with them
number four is life exhaustion Journal
can hit an object that being allowed AI
form and make them go through their
entire life cycle in a few moments
basically a One-Shot ability for life
forms number five selfie self-healing is
pretty self-explanatory uh Journal
basically makes his own body parts out
of the nearby objects around him and he
still feels it's a pretty busted ability
and I would say arguably is his best as
he's able to recover from any injury and
that's mainly it for GR and its powers
and abilities really really strong I I
will say that off the bat very very
powerful very giant Kit for him to
experiment with but for the more keen
eyed viewer goal experience Requiem uh
doesn't have a lot he has like one
really good statement that basically
says he beats all other stand abilities
and that's really it and his like
abilities that were shown at the very
end of part five where a lot of his
statements come from are guidebooks and
I will be going into that now the guide
statements I will be speaking about come
from JoJo 6251 JoJo Agogo and jojoveller
quote the stand evolved when a arrow
Pierce gold experiences body it had has
the ultimate ability to change the
opponent's movement and will to zero
though struck by the Requiem are
returned to zero even to death so the
repeat death infinitely without ever
reaching their true death end quote
quote more destructive power after being
pierced by the arrow gold experience
abilities evolved greatly increasing its
power and speed that attack also wounded
King Crimson furthermore it has an
attack power that surpasses that of
existing stands so it could be said to
be a perfect stand end quote quote the
ability of requiem selected by arrow is
impossible to compare with existing
stand measuring rods even journal the
main body doesn't even know about the
power that makes all willpower go away
the ultimate stand that returns
everything to nothing after destroying
polar nurse Requiem jono who had the
arrow in his hand brought his own gold
experience and appeared the power of the
arrow is entirely under Jordano's
control the ability to return all
actions and wills of the attacking
opponent to nothing those who have been
beaten by Requiem will return to nothing
even if they die they will continue to
die many times as a result diavalo who
believed in his precognition attacked
would continue to experience death
forever end quote so yeah with these
statements it really just does back up
that goal experience Requiem might be
the strongest stand in the series with
statements like the perfect stand and
the ultimate stand really being kind of
the things that place it on the top and
really gassing up Return To Zero as
apparently it can just shut down you
completely and speaking about Journal
while he's only been a stand user of
this caliber for only a week by the way
he is a prodigy with gold experience as
he figures out a bulk of his Arsenal in
that week his biggest Flex is his
self-heal and when it comes to his
intelligence he's literally done
real-time trigonometry to beat chokolada
during his fight leading to the seven
page muta the kid is a prodigy but he
doesn't have the years of experience
like Pucci does and one last thing I
want to talk about because I know some
people will bring it up because I did
bring it up in my last goal experience
Requiem video Requiem energy slash the
ability to dominate living Souls what
the hell does that mean it is a
bipolarif multiple times and to stand
stats for Chariot Requiem that Requiem
is an energy that dominates living Souls
another quote from Polaris would be he
who fully controls the arrow will
control the world if that Arrow pierces
a stand I don't know how old that arrow
is but I'm beginning to understand what
the maker of that Arrow was thinking
there's something Beyond Stan Powers
something that is beyond that already
exists end quote quote if this Arrow
were to be used by someone with the
power that person would be able to
dominate The Souls of all life that was
my Discovery end quote there is
narrative implications that having a
Requiem or controlling Requiem energy
means that well you basically run
everything you're that guy basically I
only bring this up for later win con
scenarios but it's just something I'd
like to point out for right now and one
more thing for the people that are
wondering how would time acceleration
and return to zero affect each other or
who would win when these abilities Clash
well I think it really depends on your
interpretation how the ability work if
you think Return To Zero is some time
space manipulation type ability there
might be a chance that time acceleration
manipulates that ability slightly just
how it slightly manipulated time stop
but if you don't think it's a Time
manipulation ability and it just can
return something to zero because it just
can for whatever reason then it wouldn't
affect it but I think this might be one
of those cases where we need a rocky to
answer it so this is just up to your
interpretation of how those abilities
would Clash and I think we have to look
at other outside factors other than
those two abilities to determine a
winner so the win scenarios yes there
are multiple win scenarios for both
characters as this argument is very long
it has lasted a very long time and
thanks to some characters not being
extremely concrete and having a lot of
statements and guides there's a lot to
interpret and a lot to discuss here so
scenario one the ultimate stand so this
is one I think a lot of people are going
to say the majority of the time when it
comes to this debate gr is the ultimate
Stan and therefore meaning all other
stands are useless when fighting him
multiple stance that guides say either
he's the ultimate stand or the perfect
stand and basically using either of
those statements means that he just wins
there you go Return To Zero just beats
him life shot just destroys him gr just
has too much he just can't be beat he
outscales everybody that's why I held
off talking about stats for so long
because gold experience Requiem can
either match them or just surpass them
depending on the standstat guide you use
meaning that gold experience Requiem can
just match made in Heaven's powers and
abilities at the same level if not above
and withstands that statements saying
that he's the ultimate Stan they of
course would be above him that being
made in heaven technically even above
that more so as gr would scale above
characters like tus Act 4 and d4c love
train which are mentioned in the JoJo
Veller which is the latest stanstat
guide that says he's the ultimate stand
FYI so that is the most casual response
to this debate would be scenario 1. gr
the old ultimate stand easy difficulty
to no difficulty for gold experience
Requiem here scenario 2 the Requiem
power so this one isn't too much
different from the first scenario but
you'll Place one thing with another
thing replace the ultimate stand title
with the Requiem power you see the
ultimate sand title is pretty subjective
and pretty inconsistent as stands like
Star Platinum even after part 5 always
state that they have the strongest
ability or they're still the ultimate
stand or are one of the ultimate stance
in this series and a few guidebooks with
gold experience Requiem so that whole
ultimate stand title is really weird and
kind of fishy and really doesn't prove
that's its physical capabilities it
could just be in terms of its actual
like abilities and hacks that make it
the ultimate stand plus it's never
stated it's the ultimate stand in series
only that it has an ability that beats
all other abilities so with that in mind
you just add polymers Requiem take in
the mix of all of that remember the
Requiem ability slash Requiem energy is
supposed to help a stand go beyond stand
power says polnerif so with that
statement and its statement from its
literal self that being gr saying that
it has an ability that beats all other
abilities it would win against gr
because of that because of the Requiem
power-up and because of the Requiem
energy it has the power to dominate
living Souls guess what Pucci is a
living soul in this scenario made in
heaven might have the stat Advantage now
but thanks to the Requiem energy
statement here I'd say Girard win with a
pretty high to Mid difficulty wincon
here thanks to return to zero and the
Requiem power scenario three jira just
doesn't have that dog in them so this
one is presented by my homie jobber that
I'll be reading off I did have this take
but he just wanted to go a little bit
more in depth here as this is his take
on this whole scenario slash debate
quote gr stats don't refer to its
physical stats but its ultimate ability
returned to zero stats the ability of
requiem selected by an arrow is
impossible to compare with existing Sans
measuring rods even journal the main
body doesn't know about the power that
makes all willpower go away the ultimate
stand that returns everything to nothing
the ability to return all action and
wills of the attacking opponent to
nothing in terms of physical stats
something that people can get confused
is the statement of gr's attack Powers
passing that of all existing stands but
in reality it's just a reference to
return to Zero's ability even in the
same translation at the very end it says
so it can be said to be a perfect stand
in reference to gr being an ultimate
stand ultimate stance have ultimate
abilities furthermore what actually
refers to gr's physical stats along with
every other stand in JoJo's is
destructive power though in normal stand
stats they call it power but in guides
and in the series consistently refer to
a stance physical power as destructive
power as in JoJo's translation
completely supports this idea as well as
the panel shows in this explanation that
gr is hurting King Crimson with physical
attacks slash projectiles so all this
proves is that gr physically would just
scaled relative or a little bit above
diovalo considering that d'ivo could
still react to granted it was precog
diavolo acknowledges that gr did get
stronger and faster but was still
confident enough that he could at least
be fast enough to skip time and pre-cog
him which he does and is still capable
of harming jorno if it was not for ger's
interference basically meaning that gr
just only scales to King Crimson and
nobody else jobber and I think also in
this scenario that Return To Zero is a
time space ability meaning that made in
heaven could affect that power in this
scenario gr has every disadvantage
possible against made in heaven it
doesn't have the stats it doesn't have
the ability Advantage it doesn't have
the whole Requiem argument here and it
doesn't have the ultimate stand title
backing it up either on top of that we
also could say that it's Return To Zero
ability is not passive as there's
possibly a bits of evidence that saying
that gr needs to physically hit you
before any of that [ __ ] can even proc
thanks to the ending fight in part 5.
this scenario is like five or six
scenarios all wrapped into one but it's
just just one giant worst case scenario
you can really pick and choose your
arguments within the scenario to
actually prove that made in heaven wins
in this fight what you can really get
from the scenario is this gr only
appeared in part 5 and scales above all
stands pre-part 5 and during so
everything post is up to interpretation
and really depends on the scaling slash
ideas that you get from the Stan stack
guides that really give you subjective
interpretive ideas on what the ultimate
stand is which in reality could mean
something completely different from what
you're thinking because it is translated
from Japanese to English so there could
be things that are Lost in Translation
so scenario 4 is a pretty fun one and is
a reference back to my old most
terrifying stands video of gold
experience Requiem gr has a time limit
so this idea usually comes off the fact
that Jordan was holding the requiemero
Slash the arrow at the end of part 5
implying that there is some type of
Disconnect from gold experience and the
arrow now leading to the idea that gold
experience raccoon just doesn't exist
anymore implying there is some type of
time limit with a Requiem power slash if
you take the arrow away from the stand
it will just revert back to its previous
form meaning that made in heaven just
could reset the universe as technically
that's not trying to affect journal in
any hostile way as it's pretty
independent of attacking somebody he can
just do that passively without hurting
him and it wouldn't affect him meaning
that the clock would run out on this
so-called time limit on gr reverting him
back to Gold experience leading to a
victory from made in heaven because made
in heaven will just blitch in one shot
so How likely is the scenario to
actually happen probably Jackal the
literal biggest debunk on this one is
the fact that Chariot Requiem still
existed after the arrow was taken away
from him during his literal fight with
jono and crew so there probably isn't a
time limit whatsoever but if whatever
reason you can somehow prove it even
though multiple characters state that
goal experience Requiem now is like an
evolution of Google Experience thank you
Trish and a rocky yeah sure made in
heaven can actually just destroy Journal
right here in this case but but I highly
highly highly doubt it and number five
The Narrative scenario so this one's
really simple to explain and isn't very
complex uh the Requiem power up slash
the whole concept of the arrows is
eventually to achieve an ability Like An
Almighty God it is stated by polymeriff
Midway through part five made in
Heaven's idea is literally to achieve
happiness poochie states that its power
is not to destroy the entire Joe star
bloodline or kill off the Jolene crew
its literal power is just to make
everybody happy through Dio's and
poochie's messed up mindset but that's
its entire purpose the narratives of
these power-ups are one to fight God or
achieve a power of An Almighty God and
one of achieving happiness kinda nearing
God that's it that is literally it to be
honest you can also attack this scenario
on scenario 2 and make a better argument
for the both of them so what scenario do
I agree with is probably what a lot of
you guys are wondering well I probably
have to agree with scenario two and five
but together so I did kind spoil you
guys a little bit why I say this is
requiems in part five are narratively
built up to be just built different
compared to other stands a power of
Beyond Stan Powers G ER inverse is built
up to be this I don't know messiah-like
character in terms of Jojo Powers while
made in heaven on the other hand just
built up to be I'm just gonna reset the
clock bro you good and a funny way of
putting it even poochie States it it's
not to dispose of anybody it's literally
built to make people happy on the flip
side of that gr is made to fight God or
be like God I think just in verse it
explains it well enough and with those
Stan stack guide statements they really
do put on the pressure that once you
fight a Requiem or fight that Return To
Zero ability you basically lose and are
going to put into that infinite death
scenario where you can't get out of it
but I will say this with scenario 3 if
you basically disprove a lot of the
hard-hitting facts with gr and can prove
that made in heaven actually has a
significant advantage over him yeah
Maiden having to win and I can
definitely concede to that but I just
don't see it well that's been my opinion
on an argument that's lasted for about
20 years
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I slightly do because I am chaotic good
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