Where did God come from ? - Best answer Dr. Kent Hovind vs Reinhold Schlieter Debate
Summary
TLDRThe speaker addresses the philosophical inquiry into the nature of God and the relationship between the spiritual and material realms. They argue that the concept of God, as understood in the Bible, transcends time, space, and matter, and thus cannot be limited by them. The speaker challenges the idea that a spiritual force cannot influence the material world, using emotions and human reasoning as examples of spiritual elements that affect our physical existence. They assert that God, being the creator of the universe, must exist outside of it, unaffected by the constructs of time, space, and matter.
Takeaways
- 🕰 The concept of God in the script is one that is not bound by time, space, or matter, suggesting a divine being that exists outside of the physical universe.
- 🌌 The script argues that time, space, and matter are interconnected and must have come into existence simultaneously, as they are interdependent.
- 📜 The Bible is referenced as stating that God created time, space, and matter, implying a divine origin for the universe.
- 🔄 The idea of a 'Trinity of Trinity's' is introduced, suggesting a complex, interconnected nature of time, space, and matter.
- 🤔 The script challenges the idea that a spiritual force cannot impact a material universe, using human emotions and consciousness as examples of non-material influences on the physical world.
- 🧠 It questions the reliability of human reasoning if the brain is considered to be a random collection of chemicals, implying that there might be more to consciousness than mere chemistry.
- 💭 The discussion suggests that if God could be fully understood by the human brain, then God would not be infinite or worthy of worship.
- 📖 The script implies that philosophical debates about the nature of God and the universe have been ongoing, referencing past discussions about spiritual and material matter.
- 👼 A rhetorical question is posed about how many angels can dance on the tip of a pen, which is a playful way to discuss the nature of spiritual matter and its relation to physical space.
- ⏳ The speaker emphasizes that the God they worship is not limited by human understanding or the constraints of the physical world.
Q & A
What is the philosophical issue the speaker is addressing?
-The speaker is addressing the philosophical issue of reconciling the existence of a timeless, spaceless, and immaterial God with the material universe.
How does the speaker define the concept of God in relation to time, space, and matter?
-The speaker defines God as being outside of time, space, and matter, unaffected by them, and as the creator of all three.
What is the significance of the phrase 'in the beginning' in the context of the speaker's argument?
-The phrase 'in the beginning' signifies the creation of time, space, and matter simultaneously, as per the speaker's interpretation of the Bible.
How does the speaker refute the idea that a spiritual force cannot affect a material universe?
-The speaker refutes this idea by questioning how material processes alone can account for immaterial phenomena such as emotions and rationality.
What is the 'Trinity of Trinity's' mentioned by the speaker?
-The 'Trinity of Trinity's' refers to the interconnectedness of time (past, present, future), space (length, width, height), and matter (solid, liquid, gas), all of which were created simultaneously.
Why does the speaker argue that if God were limited by time, space, or matter, He would not be God?
-The speaker argues that God must be unlimited by time, space, or matter because these are creations and God, as the creator, must be beyond His creation.
What is the speaker's stance on the ability of the human brain to reason if it is just a collection of chemicals?
-The speaker challenges the idea that the human brain, if merely a collection of chemicals, can be trusted to produce reliable reasoning and thoughts.
How does the speaker respond to the question of where God comes from?
-The speaker responds by stating that the question assumes a limited God, whereas the God he worships is not limited by time, space, or matter.
What is the speaker's view on the capacity of the human brain to comprehend the infinite nature of God?
-The speaker believes that if the infinite nature of God could be fully comprehended by the human brain, which is limited, then God would not be worthy of worship.
What is the analogy used by the speaker to illustrate the creator's relationship to creation?
-The speaker uses the analogy of a computer's creator not being inside the computer, to illustrate that God, as the creator, is not contained within the universe.
What is the speaker's perspective on the debate format that requires addressing one question at a time?
-The speaker seems to be slightly frustrated with the debate format, as he prefers to address multiple aspects of the topic in a more fluid manner.
Outlines
🤔 Philosophical Inquiry on God's Origin and Influence
The speaker begins with a philosophical dilemma regarding the consistency of being honest and the concept of God. They question the origin of God and how a spiritual force can impact a material universe. The speaker recalls a previous discussion about the nature of spiritual and material matter, using the example of angels and a pen to illustrate the point. The conversation shifts to a debate format, where the speaker is asked to address two questions: the story of the universe's beginning and the impact of a spiritual force on matter. The speaker clarifies that the concept of God they discuss is not bound by time, space, or matter, as per the Biblical view. They argue that time, space, and matter are interdependent and must have been created simultaneously, with God being the creator who exists outside of these dimensions. The speaker challenges the idea that a spiritual force cannot affect a material body, using emotions and rationality as examples of spiritual influences on the material brain.
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Keywords
💡God
💡Philosophically consistent
💡Honest person
💡Spiritual force
💡Material universe
💡Time, space, and matter
💡Continuum
💡Trinity
💡Emotions
💡Rationality
💡Angels
Highlights
The concept of God being beyond time, space, and matter is introduced.
The philosophical debate on the consistency of being honest and philosophically consistent is mentioned.
The question of God's origin is addressed with a reference to the Bible's perspective on creation.
The idea that time, space, and matter are interdependent and must exist simultaneously is presented.
The Bible's creation narrative is summarized in ten words, emphasizing the trinity of time, space, and matter.
The concept of a Trinity of Trinity's is introduced to describe the complexity of time, space, and matter.
The necessity for God to be outside of time, space, and matter to be considered God is argued.
The debate format's requirement to address one question at a time is mentioned.
The question of how a spiritual force can impact a material universe is posed.
The example of emotions as a spiritual force that affects the material body is used to illustrate the point.
The challenge to trust reasoning processes if the brain is a random collection of chemicals is raised.
The idea that a limited God would not be worth worshiping is expressed.
The debate's focus on the beginning of the universe and the impact of spiritual matter on material man is highlighted.
The philosophical question of how many angels can dance on the tip of a pen is mentioned as a reversal experience.
The importance of God being unaffected by the universe to maintain divine status is emphasized.
The debate's structure and the speaker's wish for Quartz are briefly touched upon.
Transcripts
I am confused being philosophically
consistent and being very honest person
I'm sure you can tell me where God came
from and at in addition in addition once
you've told me where God comes from
please try to clarify how you can figure
that a spiritual force can have an
impact on a material universe to create
it I think that some years ago we
already talked about that kind of thing
and philosophical circles at any rate by
posing the question if angels are made
of spiritual matter and a pen is made of
material matter and spiritual matter
displaces no space how many angels can
dance on the tip of a pen I have a sense
of sort of reversal experience here but
but please do go ahead you got five
minutes now I just want to wish quartz
all right you may take the first little
minute supposed to do one question at a
time which one would you like that was
part of the format for the debate so
which I want you to fill in the story of
the rest of the beginning of the
universe God spiritual matter impact on
material man okay so two questions all
right
good all right your question where did
God come from assumes that you're
thinking of the wrong obviously it
displays that you're thinking of the
wrong God because the God of the Bible
is not affected by time space or matter
if he's if he's affected by time space
or matter he's not God time space and
matter is what we call a continuum all
of them have to come into existence at
the same instant because if there were a
mattre but no space where would you put
it if there were matter in space but no
time when would you put it you cannot
have time space or matter independently
they have to come into existence
simultaneously the Bible answers that in
ten words in the beginning there's time
God created the heaven their space and
the earth
there's matter so you have time space
matter created a trinity of Trinity's
their justice you know time is past
present future space has length width
height matter has solid liquid gas you
have a Trinity of Trinity's created
instant
me asleep and the God who created them
has to be outside of them if he's
limited by time he's not God the guy who
created this computer is not in the
computer he's not running around in
there changing the numbers on the screen
okay the God who created this universe
is outside of the universe he's above it
beyond it in it through it he's
unaffected by it so for Dan the concept
of a spiritual force cannot have any
effect on a material body well then I
guess you'd have to explain to me things
like emotions and love and hatred and
envy and jealousy and rationality I mean
if your brain is just a random
collection of chemicals that form by
chance over billions of years how on
earth can you trust your own reasoning
processes and the thoughts that you you
think okay so your your question where
did God come from is assuming and
limited God and that's your problem the
God that I worship is not limited by
time space or matter if I could fit the
infinite God in my three-pound brain he
would not be worth worshiping that's for
certain so that's the God that I worship
think
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