The Absurdity of Spider-Man Unlimited

Johnny 2 Cellos
22 Mar 202329:10

Summary

TLDRThe video script delves into 'Spider-Man Unlimited,' an unconventional adaptation that diverges from the original comics. Set on a parallel world, it features a unique storyline, characters, and lore. Despite initial production challenges and a shift from digital ink to cell animation, the series offers charm and intriguing characters. It explores Peter Parker's moral compass and his relationships on Counter Earth, ending on a cliffhanger. The show's legacy is set to appear in the upcoming 'Across the Spider-Verse' film, keeping its spirit alive.

Takeaways

  • πŸ•· Spider-Man Unlimited is considered a unique adaptation, diverging significantly from the original comics and other animated series.
  • πŸ”„ The show's pre-production was tumultuous, with multiple concept changes before settling on the 'Counter-Earth' narrative.
  • πŸš€ The series features a parallel world called 'Counter-Earth,' where Peter Parker confronts different versions of familiar characters, including a heroic Green Goblin.
  • 🎨 The animation style is distinct, utilizing cell animation and black shading to create a unique visual experience.
  • πŸ“ˆ The show initially struggled with ratings, leading to a relaunch and eventual cancellation on a cliffhanger.
  • πŸ™ The setting of Counter-Earth is a blend of futuristic elements and anthropomorphic characters, creating an unusual environment for Spider-Man.
  • 🧩 The series introduces new characters and lore, with only a few familiar faces from the Spider-Man universe, such as Venom and Carnage.
  • 🀝 Spider-Man forms alliances with a group of rebels on Counter-Earth, including John Jameson and others with compelling backstories.
  • πŸ’‘ The show explores themes of responsibility and identity, with Spider-Man facing moral dilemmas in an unfamiliar world.
  • 🎭 The voice acting, including Reno Romano as Peter Parker, adds depth to the characters and contributes to the show's charm.
  • 🌌 The series' legacy will continue in the upcoming 'Across the Spider-Verse' film, where this version of Spider-Man will make a cameo.

Q & A

  • What was the initial concept for Spider-Man Unlimited before it underwent changes?

    -The initial concept for Spider-Man Unlimited was to be a low budget adaptation of the first 26 issues of the original run of The Amazing Spider-Man comic books.

  • Why couldn't the series adapt the original Spider-Man comic stories or use the original Spidey suit?

    -Sony and Marvel's production of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man film barred them from adapting the original comic stories and using the original Spidey suit due to the film's development.

  • What was the alternate idea considered for Spider-Man Unlimited before settling on the final narrative?

    -An alternate idea was to create a Spider-Man 2099 adaptation starring Miguel O'Hara, but this was eventually discarded in favor of a new narrative set on a parallel world called Counter Earth.

  • How did the premise of Counter Earth in Spider-Man Unlimited differ from the original comics?

    -The Counter Earth premise was a new narrative far away from the original comic book run, where Uncle Ben had never died, and Earth's Peter Parker became Venom due to the lack of moral fortitude.

  • Why did Marvel decide against having multiple Peter Parkers in the series?

    -Marvel panicked due to the poor reception of the clone saga in the comic books and forbid them from doing a series with multiple Peter Parkers.

  • What was the animation style shift in Spider-Man Unlimited compared to the 90s animated series?

    -While the 90s animated series used a combination of digital ink and cell animation, Spider-Man Unlimited switched entirely to cell animation, resulting in a notably different style.

  • Why did the series premiere in October 1999 and then relaunch in late 2000?

    -The series premiered in October 1999 but due to struggling ratings compared to rival shows, it was shelved and relaunched about a year later in late 2000, airing all 13 episodes.

  • What was the main reason for the city of New York turning against Spider-Man in the series?

    -The city turned against Spider-Man after he failed to stop Venom and Carnage from boarding a ship, leading to a 10 million dollar reward being put out by Jonah Jameson to identify or capture him.

  • How does the character of Green Goblin in Counter Earth differ from the traditional version?

    -The Counter Earth version of Green Goblin is not a villain but a fellow vigilante with a unique design and a fun personality, including the use of wings instead of a glider.

  • What was the significance of the character X51 in the series?

    -X51 was a Sentry robot with a higher level of sentience, and Peter's recognition of X51's personhood and his actions to protect X51 showcased Spider-Man's commitment to doing what's right.

  • How did the series handle the character of Eddie Brock and his relationship with the Venom symbiote?

    -The series explored Eddie's deep bond with the symbiote, where he nearly dies without it and has to make the difficult choice to become Venom again to save others, showcasing his own sense of great responsibility.

Outlines

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πŸ•·οΈ The Unique World of Spider-Man Unlimited

Spider-Man Unlimited is a distinctive adaptation of the Spider-Man franchise, diverging significantly from the traditional narratives. Initially conceived as a low-budget adaptation of 'The Amazing Spider-Man' comics, the series underwent several transformations before settling on a unique storyline set on a parallel world called Counter-Earth. The show's pre-production was tumultuous, with ideas ranging from adapting early comic issues to considering a 'Spider-Man 2099' series. The final narrative focuses on an alternate Peter Parker who encounters a version of himself turned into Venom, offering a fresh perspective on the Spider-Man mythos. Despite its charm and interesting characters, the series struggled with ratings and underwent changes in animation style and storytelling approach, ultimately airing in 1999 and then again in 2000 with a revised format.

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🌐 Counter-Earth: A Diverse and Complex Setting

The series introduces Counter-Earth, a parallel world with a mix of humans and anthropomorphic beings called beastials. The society is hierarchical, with beastials holding power over humans. Spider-Man, played by Peter, finds himself in the midst of this complex world, interacting with unique characters such as the Knights of Wonder Girl and the high evolutionary. The series explores themes of societal conflict, the search for a utopian society, and the struggle for equality. Peter, with his new nanotechnology suit, navigates this world, forming alliances with rebels against the oppressive beastial regime, led by John Jameson, and uncovering the truth about Counter-Earth's creation and its inhabitants.

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πŸ¦‡ Unfamiliar Allies and Enemies in Counter-Earth

Spider-Man Unlimited presents a new set of characters, including a vigilante Green Goblin who is an ally rather than a villain, and a range of beastial characters with unique designs and motivations. The series also features familiar foes like Venom and Carnage with new abilities and roles in the story. The narrative delves into the personal lives of the characters, exploring their backstories and the challenges they face in the divided society of Counter-Earth. The show's dynamic of reluctant alliances and the fish-out-of-water aspect of Spider-Man in this new world adds depth to the storytelling and character development.

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🏠 Peter Parker's Life on Counter-Earth

Peter Parker's life on Counter-Earth is explored through his relationships with the characters he encounters, particularly with a family consisting of a mother, Naoko, and her son, Shane. Peter's role as a photographer for the Daily Bugle is mirrored on Counter-Earth, raising questions about his secret identity. The series examines the challenges Peter faces in balancing his personal life with his responsibilities as Spider-Man, including the romantic tension with Naoko and the bond he forms with Shane. The narrative also touches on the complexities of Peter's feelings for MJ back on Earth, adding layers to his emotional journey.

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πŸ¦… The Vulture's Redemption and Other Parallel Villains

The series presents unique takes on classic Spider-Man villains, such as the Hunter, a mercenary with a solid design but less unique spin, and Electro, who has a cool look but a less developed backstory. Vulture, however, has a more fleshed-out narrative, evolving from a rich kid to a hero fighting against the oppression of humans by beastials. The series also delves into the moral dilemmas faced by Spider-Man, challenging his motivations and the core principle of 'with great power comes great responsibility.'

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πŸ”§ The Sentience of X51 and Eddie Brock's Sacrifice

Two standout episodes highlight the themes of sentience and sacrifice. In one, Peter treats a malfunctioning Sentry robot, X51, with respect and humanity, even standing up to his allies to protect it. In another, Eddie Brock's deep bond with the Venom symbiote is explored as he nearly dies without it, leading to a poignant story where he must embrace his monstrous side to survive, sacrificing his humanity to save others. These episodes showcase the depth of the series and its ability to explore complex themes within the Spider-Man universe.

🏁 The Unfinished Journey of Spider-Man Unlimited

Despite its innovative premise and some compelling storytelling, Spider-Man Unlimited faced numerous challenges, including an unfamiliar world, a lack of connection with the main antagonist, and a series of new side characters that failed to engage the audience fully. The show's abrupt ending on a cliffhanger without resolution further contributed to its unfinished feel. The creative team's vision was constrained by various interferences, preventing them from fully realizing their ideas. However, the series' legacy lives on, with a cameo in the 'Across the Spider-Verse' film, offering a nod to this unique chapter in Spider-Man's history.

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Keywords

πŸ’‘Spider-Man Unlimited

Spider-Man Unlimited is the title of the animated series discussed in the video. It is described as a unique and somewhat unusual adaptation of the Spider-Man character, set on a parallel world called Counter Earth. The series is noted for its distinct style and narrative choices that differentiate it from other Spider-Man adaptations, as well as its upcoming inclusion in the 'Across the Spider-Verse' film.

πŸ’‘Counter Earth

Counter Earth is a parallel world in the Spider-Man Unlimited series where the story unfolds. It is depicted as an exact duplicate of Earth, located on the far side of the sun, and inhabited by both humans and anthropomorphic animal beings called beastials. The concept of Counter Earth is central to the series' plot and setting, creating a unique environment for Spider-Man's adventures.

πŸ’‘Beastials

Beastials are a species of anthropomorphic animal people living on Counter Earth. They are part of the show's unique world-building and contribute to the differentiating factors of the series from traditional Spider-Man lore. Beastials play various roles in the society of Counter Earth, including some as antagonists and allies to Spider-Man.

πŸ’‘High Evolutionary

The High Evolutionary is the main antagonist in Spider-Man Unlimited, a character who sought to create a utopian society on Counter Earth by combining humans with animal characteristics to form beastials. His vision and the resulting conflict form a significant part of the series' overarching plot.

πŸ’‘Venom

Venom is a character and symbiote in the Spider-Man universe, known for bonding with hosts to create a powerful and malevolent entity. In Spider-Man Unlimited, Venom is portrayed with new abilities and is part of the series' exploration of familiar characters in a new context, including an episode where the symbiote nearly kills Eddie Brock, showcasing themes of sacrifice and responsibility.

πŸ’‘Carnage

Carnage, another symbiote in the Spider-Man lore, is depicted in the series with a distinct design and role. It is associated with the overarching symbiote-related plot and is shown to have new abilities, differentiating it from its portrayal in other adaptations.

πŸ’‘Rebels

The Rebels are a group of characters in Spider-Man Unlimited who oppose the High Evolutionary's regime on Counter Earth. Led by John Jameson, the Rebels include various characters with unique backstories and motivations, contributing to the series' themes of resistance and camaraderie.

πŸ’‘Great Power, Great Responsibility

The phrase 'great power, great responsibility' is a key theme in the video and a central tenet of Spider-Man's character. It refers to the moral obligation that comes with having abilities or influence, as exemplified by Spider-Man's actions in the series and his internal struggles with his role on Counter Earth.

πŸ’‘Cliffhanger

A cliffhanger in storytelling is a suspenseful situation that ends an episode or series, leaving the audience in anticipation of the resolution. The video mentions that Spider-Man Unlimited ends on a cliffhanger, with the fate of Counter Earth and its inhabitants left unresolved, adding to the series' intrigue and the viewer's engagement.

πŸ’‘Symbiote

In the context of the video, the symbiote refers to the alien organisms that bond with hosts to create characters like Venom and Carnage. The script discusses the symbiote's role in the series, its new abilities, and its connection to the plot, highlighting the narrative's focus on the symbiote's impact on the characters and the world of Counter Earth.

Highlights

Spider-Man Unlimited is considered one of the most unusual adaptations of Spider-Man with its unique approach to storytelling.

The series was initially intended to be a low-budget adaptation of the first 26 issues of The Amazing Spider-Man comic books.

Due to the production of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man film, the show couldn't adapt certain comic stories or use the original Spidey suit.

The concept of Spider-Man 2099 was considered but ultimately rejected in favor of a new narrative set on a parallel world called Counter Earth.

The series features a unique blend of human and beastial characters, creating a distinct society on Counter Earth.

Spider-Man Unlimited has a different animation style compared to the 90s animated series, using cell animation and unique shading techniques.

The series struggled with ratings and was initially shelved before being relaunched a year later with all 13 episodes.

The show's title sequence emphasizes a cooler and edgier tone with a futuristic theme song and stylish visuals.

Venom and Carnage are portrayed with new abilities, appearing as pure symbiote forms without host bodies.

The series explores the concept of an alternate Peter Parker who becomes Venom on Counter Earth.

Spider-Man Unlimited features a main antagonist, the High Evolutionary, with a vision of a utopian society of animal-human hybrids.

The series includes a unique version of Green Goblin who is a vigilante on Counter Earth, unlike the villainous Goblin from Earth.

Eddie Brock's struggle with the Venom symbiote is a central theme, exploring his humanity and the symbiote's influence.

The series ends on a cliffhanger with the potential destruction of Counter Earth due to symbiotic spores.

Spider-Man Unlimited's legacy will continue in the upcoming 'Across the Spider-Verse' film, indicating its influence.

The creative team faced numerous challenges and restrictions, impacting the show's development and storytelling.

Transcripts

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Spider-Man Unlimited is arguably the

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weirdest Spider-Man adaptation of all

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time arguably written is a loose

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follow-up to Spider-Man the Animated

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Series of the 90s and I do mean loose

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this series took an entirely different

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approach to telling a spidey story I

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would argue that the show nearly feels

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like it was written as an entirely

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different show with its own characters

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and lore and then they decided to just

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drop Spidey in a few recognizable

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Spider-Man characters into the mix now

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there's no evidence that this is what

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they did but it does kind of feel like

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it and that isn't necessarily A

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criticism either because while it is

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absolutely an anomaly in the long list

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of Spider-Man animated series it has a

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ton of charm and some really interesting

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characters plus we're about to see this

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version of Spidey again in the upcoming

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across the spider-verse film wild times

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so join me as we dive deep into the

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absurdity of Spider-Man Unlimited

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Spider-Man Unlimited had a very

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tumultuous pre-production one in which

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the concept of the series shifted around

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multiple times you would think that

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after the success of Spider-Man the

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Animated Series and with that series

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ending on a cliffhanger you do a proper

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for follow-up and while this is

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technically a follow-up it doesn't

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exactly feel like it but even before

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they landed on the premise there were

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different ideas in play initially it was

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meant to be a low budget adaptation of

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the first 26 issues of the original run

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of The Amazing Spider-Man comic books

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however with Sony and Marvel's

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production of Sam raimi's Spider-Man

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film in the works they were barred from

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adapting these stories and couldn't even

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use the original Spidey suit for the

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duration of the show after this they

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even toyed with the idea of doing a

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Spider-Man 2099 adaptation starring

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Miguel O'Hara which is especially

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interesting given Miguel's prominence in

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the upcoming across the spider-verse

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film and the inclusion of Spider-Man

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Unlimited in that movie however they

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opted against this story and instead

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crafted a new narrative far away from

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the original Comics run set on a

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parallel world called counter Earth the

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initial idea for their counter Earth

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story was that on counter Earth Uncle

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Ben had never died and therefore that

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Earth's Peter Parker did not have the

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moral fortitude to resist the symbiote

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suit eventually becoming Venom so when R

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Peter arrives and tries to meet up with

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counterpeter he's actually met with the

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antagonist of the entire series and

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honestly to me this idea sounds great

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potentially exploring Peter through a

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parallel version who is faltered years

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before spider-verse mind you and even

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the idea of Uncle Ben being a supporting

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character this just had a ton of

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potential if you ask me I really love

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the way writer producer will munio

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described this Arc for Peter dealing

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with the counter Earth Spidey slash

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Venom was intended to be the main

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subplot and by the end Peter would have

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gone home with the knowledge that the

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hardships of his origin had made him the

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good man he'd become sounds like some

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quality Spider-Man to me however the

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folks at Marvel panicked because of the

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poor reception of the clone saga in the

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comic books and forbid them from doing a

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series with multiple Peter Parkers which

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yes is very stupid especially now given

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the success of spider-verse and no way

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home so after adjusting and adapting

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their ideas to remove the parallel

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Parker they landed on the story that we

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all know and love or at least the one

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that some of us have seen interestingly

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while the 90s animated series used a

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combination of digital ink and cell

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animation this series switched entire

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entirely to cell animation the style is

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notably different and there's a lot of

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charm I particularly love the way it

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uses pitch black for the shadows and

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shading on characters it gives some of

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it almost a black light poster Vibe it's

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cool the series premiered in October

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1999 and over the next two weeks aired

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three total episodes however due to

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struggling ratings compared to rival

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shows they ended up shelving the series

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and relaunching it about a year later in

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late 2000. this time airing all 13

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episodes the series definitely tries to

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be cooler and edgier than the previous

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animated series and the title sequence

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really highlights this with a synthy

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futuristic new theme song and some

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pretty stylish visuals the two-part

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Premiere titled Worlds Apart opens

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revealing John Jameson's plan to use a

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warp drive to travel to the newly

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discovered counter Earth there Elita

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discovered an exact duplicate of our

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world the counter Earth it's also

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described as being on the far side of

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the sun they don't really go into any

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further detail explaining why an exact

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duplicate of Earth exists within the

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solar system or why it requires a warp

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drive to reach the other side of the Sun

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but that's what they went with we'll get

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more into the exact duplicate nature of

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counter Earth later because it gets kind

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of wild as John Jameson takes off into

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shuttle Venom and Cartage stow away on

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board and Peter jumps into action to

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attempt to stop them this is the single

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moment in unlimited where we hear the

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previous iconic Spidey theme

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what could possibly be

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[Music]

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interestingly Venom and Carnage are both

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shown to have entirely new abilities

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appearing to have no host bodies at all

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hey hey you two could never morph like

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that before it's revealed later that

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they are still using Brock and Cassidy's

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bodies but the way they turn entirely

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into pure symbiote goo definitely had me

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confused for a minute so Spidey is

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unable to stop the symbioduo they board

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the ship and Jon calls for help before

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going through the portal and with Spidey

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floating back down to earth as you might

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expect Jonah Jameson blames the entire

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thing on Spider-Man and puts out a 10

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million dollar reward to identify or

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capture him wild the thing that cracked

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me up here is that the entire city

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really does turn on Spider-Man dude

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couldn't even save a cat from a tree

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without getting maced he saves a woman

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and her baby from falling to their death

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and firefighters immediately turn their

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hoses on and he still saves one of their

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lives I do think this aspect is a pretty

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solid setup for the series it plays off

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a lot of the Spidey tropes we've come to

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love and expect that being Spider-Man is

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an absolutely thankless job for Peter

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doing the right thing is not often

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rewarded and I like that this idea

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immediately reaches a boiling point as a

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catalyst for the series premise and the

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world actually ends up believing leaving

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that Spidey died in the firefighting

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incident which gives him the opportunity

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to leave counter Earth and try to save

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John Jameson from the Symbiote Duo so

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Peter makes himself a sick new suit this

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year's fully loaded model features

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nanotechnology discreetly borrowed from

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the lab of Reed Richards a nice read

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Richard's name drop plus as it turns out

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this started the nanotechnology Trend

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that everybody absolutely hates in the

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MCU thanks Spidey but man I do love this

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suit design maybe one of my favorite

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Spider-Man suits ever Spidey hijacks

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another shuttle with slight resistance

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from a jetpack sporting Nick Fury and he

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heads to counter Earth they do a good

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job table setting Peter's departure from

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Earth for the most part and though the

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series is about to fly off the rails

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into entirely new territory it's still

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rooted and Spidey as a character

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remember what Uncle Ben said MJ

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great power comes great responsibility

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there are some really gorgeous shots of

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Peter approaching counter Earth but this

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is where it truly starts to feel like

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he's thrust into a different series

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entirely his ship is tractor beamed down

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to counter Earth's New York City and

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he's confronted with these guys we are

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the Knights of Wonder Girl I am known to

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all as Lord tiger I told you it feels

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like an entirely separate franchise this

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planet is filled with both humans and

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beings called beastials these four

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Knights being particularly powerful in

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the hierarchy there's a bear lady named

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Ursula a ram dude named siram and this

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woman named lady Vermin who they say is

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a rat lady but like where's the rat and

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she's super into Spidey too we should

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not do battle stranger for you are most

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fair to Lady vermin's eyes and you are

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most rat like to my nose honestly I love

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it when an antagonist is horned up for

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Spidey so I'm glad they kept this Trope

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even in this unusual setting speaking of

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unusual setting I really like the

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sequence where Spidey recognizes how

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different counter Earth actually is

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bouncing off of hover cars in traffic

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realizing everyone is an animal person

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what is this the Manhattan Island of Dr

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Moreau honestly this is one of the best

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Spidey quips I have ever heard in my

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life incredible stuff eventually Spidey

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is captured by the Knights of the Wonder

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Gore and man I do not understand how

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these dudes live in Manhattan and talk

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like this but

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human obesity it is certain that he is a

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valiant Warrior but then we're

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introduced to the real series antagonist

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the high evolutionary though not in

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person yet but this is the exact stuff

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I'm talking about when I say this feels

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like a separate franchise that Spidey

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was dropped into everything about how

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these people speak their goals they're

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ridiculously over designed armor it

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feels like a different show and maybe

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that was intentional Spidey is a fish

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out of water after all so maybe they

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were trying to convey that to the

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audience as blatantly as possible that

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being said the entire bestial idea is

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the biggest ask as an audience member at

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least for me I know that's silly coming

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from someone who also talks about BoJack

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Horseman regularly but I think it has

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more to do with the way it's implemented

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into the already existing Spidey world

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and lore counter Earth being an exact

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duplicate that is simply on the far side

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of the sun is already a funny premise

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but that same counter Earth being filled

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with anthropomorphic animal people is

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kind of a hat on a hat right it's a

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shame they didn't make this show after

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the rise of online furry culture because

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it probably would have gotten like six

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seasons and unfortunately the entire

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best deal idea doesn't have a

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particularly satisfying explanation

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either the high evolutionary apparently

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came to this planet seeking Utopia they

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don't say where he came from just that

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he came here seeking Utopia and was

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disappointed that all he found was the

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same war and conflict that he was used

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to

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my

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my parents I would have to build it

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myself but apparently the perfect

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Society consists of animal human hybrids

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of the high evolutionary design he

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claims they're stronger and better and

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free from the problems created by humans

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without really elaborating on why but I

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guess they have built this crazy

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futuristic city so there's that but the

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city is also New York City because exact

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duplicate I guess but obviously the

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entire conflict in the series is that it

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is not a perfect society as the

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beastials have relegated humans to the

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lowest levels of the city or what they

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call the basement and so spidey's main

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allies are a team of rebels led by John

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Jameson who rescue him from the high

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evolutionary there are three main Rebels

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other than Jon and the show actually

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does eventually give them all pretty

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compelling backstories there's Karen

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O'Malley the most normal named Rebel

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Daniel Bromley who just goes by Bromley

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and of course get Hoskins after being

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experimented on as a kid git now looks

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like a mummy but he has complete control

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over his ban bandages almost Mr

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Fantastic style a real ragtag group if I

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don't say so myself and somehow all led

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by John Jameson who came to counter

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Earth very recently not sure how he

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secured that gig I did like how

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skeptical Jameson was that this was

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actually Spidey though which leads to

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this question and in my opinion a

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potentially big problem that they

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conveniently rode around who's the punk

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photographer that always gets those

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great pictures of you for the Daily

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Bugle uh

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Peter Parker okay the problem here is

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that by the end of these first two

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episodes Peter is now living on counter

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Earth in the basement he ends up having

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multiple mutual friends with John

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Jameson and living with one of them all

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it would have taken is a character

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mentioning Peter a single time and

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Jameson would have been able to figure

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out that he's Spider-Man and honestly

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maybe he should have there are a few

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episodes where it feels very convenient

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that it isn't brought up or revealed to

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him Peter is very lucky he didn't run

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into him on the street so the other big

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players in the season are of course

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Venom and Carnage who came to counter

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Earth to fulfill their own

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symbiote-related master plan they're

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temporarily working for the high

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evolutionary but really only to further

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their own scheme I gotta say while I do

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mostly like Venom's design in the show I

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kind of hate Carnage he looks so cool in

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the comics and in the previous animated

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series but in this they make him this

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big angular lumbering Skeleton thing

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honestly he kind of reminds me those

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gigantic Home Depot skeletons not really

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a fan but those are most of the major

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players in the battle for counter Earth

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save for a couple important ones who we

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will meet later and they wrap up the

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two-part Premiere introducing us to the

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important players in Peter's personal

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life on counter Earth Peter saves a kid

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named Shane from one of the high

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evolutionaries Sentry robots and his

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mother a doctor named nyoko treats his

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injuries Peter ends up staying with them

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during his time on counter Earth and

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forms a great genuine bond with them

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both this gets pretty interesting later

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too but we'll get there so as you may

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have noticed talking through the very

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beginning of the series required a lot

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of description and recap usually when we

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talk about the Spider-Man series we're

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talking about characters scenarios

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stories and lore that we're all mostly

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familiar with in one way or another it's

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usually just about how they adapted

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elements we already know but this is one

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of the most unusual Spidey shows because

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the vast majority of the story is New

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Territory new planet new characters new

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species new lore everything is

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completely unfamiliar which can actually

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be really exciting from an audience

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perspective but it also means I do have

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to do a lot more table setting to talk

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about the show compared to other

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Spider-Man series in fact the only

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characters who show up regularly that

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actually come from the Spider-Man

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stories we know are Peter himself John

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Jameson Venom and Carnage now there will

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be a few more familiar villains coming

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up but they're all counter Earth Twisted

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versions different characters entirely

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but now that we've set the table talking

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through the rest of the season shouldn't

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be quite as laborious and while it was a

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lot to convey the two premiere episodes

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did do an effective job setting up the

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stakes and establishing countless new

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characters and Concepts I also really

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dig the way the series uses these comic

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book panel chirons for Transitions and

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establishing locations such a simple

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idea that is super effective and helps

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convey the comic Booky nature of the

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series really well the first time I

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watched this show it was shortly after

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finishing the 90s Animated Series so it

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took me a bit to get used to Reno

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Romano's take on Peter Parker but the

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more I watch the show the more I really

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grew to appreciate his performance I

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think he makes a really solid Peter and

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Spidey crazy enough Reno would go on to

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play Bruce Wayne Batman a few years

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later in the animated series The Batman

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are there any other voice actors who

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have played both Peter Parker and Bruce

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Wayne what a resume I did laugh pretty

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hard at the opening of the third episode

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so in the end of the second episode

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nyoko tells Peter he can stay with them

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rent free for a couple of weeks while he

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gets on his feet and then immediately in

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the third episode she is demanding the

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rent I guess no matter what version of

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Earth Peter is on somebody's angry about

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the rent unfortunately their argument

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upsets Shane who runs away and when

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going after him naoko is pulled into

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sewers by this big green symbiote thing

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which sets the stage for what I think is

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a pretty great third episode enter Green

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Goblin but not the one we know counter

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Earth has its own Goblin and he isn't a

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villain he's a fellow vigilante I

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actually really love this version of the

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character he's maybe slightly over

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designed like some of the other original

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characters in the show but I find his

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over design much more charming and

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giving him Wings rather than a glider

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fits in with the whole beastial aspect

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of counter Earth really well but he's

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got a very fun personality and the sort

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of reluctant team up aspect of his

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relationship with Spidey really works

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for me Spidey is obviously skeptical

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because he looks like regular Earth

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screen Goblin and this Goblin is

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skeptical of Spidey because he looks

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like Venom and Carnage right you're not

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with Venom and Carnage you're a complete

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unrelated super power guy and a spider

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there are a few characters who Spidey

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has to reluctantly team up with over the

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series and it's just a dynamic that

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works for me Goblin is probably my

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favorite of all of them they have some

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really quality back and forth banter

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however one of the weirder quirks is

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that this Green Goblin just sort of

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throws out random pop culture quotes

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It's Not Easy Being Green

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rumors of Might demise are greatly

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exaggerated so to recap those quotes are

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Kermit the Frog Ned Flanders and Mark

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Twain does this imply that The Muppets

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The Simpsons and an alternate version of

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Mark Twain all exist on counter Earth or

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is this guy just like the weirdest

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Wordsmith to ever exist but regardless

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Goblin's few appearances are a genuine

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highlight of Spider-Man Unlimited it's a

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really cool take on the character and I

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really dug the action when he and Spidey

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team up this early sequence where Spidey

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makes a huge web shield and Goblin

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launches his explosives from out behind

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it is really dope and there's a great

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shot towards the end where Goblin flies

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Spidey out of the collapsing underground

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base I also really liked the very heavy

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implication that goblins actually Hector

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Jones Shane's father and naoko's

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ex-husband though this was never

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explicitly realized within the text of

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the show it was very obvious that this

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was the case Goblin is immediately more

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familiar with both naoko and Shane than

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you'd expect plus there's this line at

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the end of the episode after they save

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naoko who says she hopes that she sees

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him again I hope dude

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my love so yeah if this isn't Hector

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he's just creepy there are actually a

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couple of Spidey unlimited comics and

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one of them contradicts this saying

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Shane's father is actually a bestial

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version of Wolverine but I don't think

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we can consider those Canon because it

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is so painfully obvious that the series

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was setting up the hector Goblin reveal

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and it's a genuine shame they never got

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further with that either because I think

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the whole Peter naoko Hector triangle

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could have been really interesting

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Peter's relationship with Shane and

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naoko was an aspect of unlimited that

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really worked for me for the most part

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the way both naoko and Shane slowly

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started to respect Peter was really well

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done initially naoko didn't trust Peter

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would be able to get her the rent and

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Shane actually pretty vocally called him

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a wuss when they reminisced about how

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Spidey saved nyoko from the Symbiotes

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yeah you called the police it's okay

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Peter you wanted to help and obviously

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this is a common Spidey problem Peter

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disappears because he has to help as

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Spidey so people think that Peter is a

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coward

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such a coward I'm running off like that

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he didn't run mom he's just taking

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pictures you'll see but as you can see

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over the course of the season nayako and

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Shane both come around on Peter I told

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he wasn't a coward and you were right

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Shay I am so glad and Peter has even

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shown spending quality one-on-one time

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with naoko and Shane giving Shane the

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kind of support a father figure would

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the longer I'm stuck on this planet the

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more Shane and naoko feel like family to

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me but if I'm being honest it also feels

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like a bit of a missed opportunity

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because while they do blatantly say that

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Peter sees them as family and is even

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attracted to naoko the series also

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places MJ back on Earth waiting for

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Peter and obviously it's hard to just

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write off Peter's longtime love interest

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but I sort of wish they had somehow for

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this series because one of the majorly

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important aspects of any Spidey media is

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that they have to show him truly

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struggle to balance his personal life

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and his superhero life and to me the

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highest Stakes instances of this are

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always related to Peter's love life how

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does Peter fumble the bag because of his

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great responsibility and while there

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certainly are aspects of this in his

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relationship with naoko and Shane I

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think if they had been able to fully

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Embrace a romantic relationship it would

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have increased the stake significantly

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instead they sort of have this half in

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the bag situation where Peter definitely

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have feelings for each other but because

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of a character on another planet that

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literally only appeared in the pilot

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episode they can't fully explore a

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romance it actually makes me wish that

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unlimited had more blatantly embraced

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the end of Spider-Man the Animated

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Series where Peter had yet to find Mary

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Jane after she was thrown through the

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Goblins portal or if you don't want to

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be that directly tied to those stories

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just have Mary Jane tell Peter she can't

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have a long distance relationship across

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the solar system with him I mean that's

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pretty reasonable and it opens up the

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series to the romantic drama that

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generally works really well for

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Spider-Man though there are a couple

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instances where they played the existing

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circumstances pretty well

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J

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MJ sorry my mistake but ironically I

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also felt they stayed too true to other

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aspects of spidey's Mainstays where they

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could have afforded to differentiate

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themselves on counter Earth particularly

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that they just have Peter continue to

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take photos of Spider-Man for a living

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even on this entirely different planet I

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guess it was just initially a little bit

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of a stretch for me that Spidey would

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show up and immediately be the most

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in-demand photos in counter New York

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enough so that Peter can make an entire

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living on it and I guess this isn't all

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that implausible but straight up

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replacing a character as iconic as Jonah

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Jameson in the exact same role is not an

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easy task 100 bucks a piece final off Mr

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Mineo

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you mind if I call you JJ they actually

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named and designed Peter's new boss

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after unlimited's lead producer will

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munio which is a funny inside joke but I

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cannot pretend the character is even

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remotely as memorable as Jonah Jameson

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it makes me think more than anything

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that maybe they should have found a new

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angle for Peter's employment while on

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counter Earth especially because this

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was just another way Peter should have

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been easily figured out by John Jameson

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Peter's name is in the paper under every

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picture of Spider-Man I mean come on or

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if they're committed to the photography

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gig just use more direct parallel

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characters on counter earth like they

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initially planned with counter Peter

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just throw an alternate Jonah into the

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mix that could have also made for some

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interesting drama with John Jameson

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though ultimately I do really enjoy the

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alternate Spidey villains that are

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parallel without being the exact same

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characters I already brought up Goblin

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but there are also Craven vulture and

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Electro parallels that all sort of do

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their own thing counter Earth Craven is

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simply known as the Hunter and probably

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has the least unique spin on any of

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these parallel villains but still has a

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very solid design he basically works as

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a mercenary for anyone who will hire him

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including Beast deals and the high

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evolutionary and as you'd expect he's

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tasked with capturing Spider-Man Electro

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is a bit more fun the one example of a

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parallel villain who is actually a beast

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deal though they don't ever fully

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vocalize what he is my initial thought

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is that he is a literal electric eel

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which would be dope but he's kind of

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more lizard-like he doesn't have all

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that much going on for him outside of

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the cool look though vulture gets a bit

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more of a unique counter-earth backstory

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that I actually enjoyed and like Goblin

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this version is actually more of a hero

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than a villain vulture grew up a rich

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kid so rich that the other beastial kids

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were cool hanging with him but his

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actual best friend was a kid named cliff

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the son of his family's housekeeper but

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while hanging around with the beastials

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they would regularly terrorize humans

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and one day they ended up lighting

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Cliff's house on fire

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changed my life

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I vowed to do everything I could to stop

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humans suffering though I gotta say

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Spidey is absolutely in full hypocrite

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mode talking to vulture about this crime

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fighting here like how did he even get

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these words out seriously a lot of folks

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feel strongly about something but they

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don't take it to the streets really

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Spidey you're gonna lecture someone

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about taking things to the streets so

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much for great responsibility actually

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if I'm being honest there are a handful

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of moments in the show that rub me the

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wrong way in terms of spidey's

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motivations he sticks around to help

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Jameson and the rebels but if Jameson

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didn't want to stay Spidey would 100

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have left counter earth look John John

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there's nothing I'd like better than to

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see the beasties take a nosedive but

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this isn't our fight I feel like what

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they were going for is the idea that

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being so far from home in such an

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unfamiliar Place really challenges

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Peter's moral fortitude in regard to

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with great power comes great

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responsibility which is an idea I like

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fine on paper I just wish they had shown

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more of a complete growth cycle for

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Peter to come around and realize that

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he's wrong because as is there are just

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a series of moments like these where

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Spider-Man is acting very

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unspiderman-like there's even a perfect

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moment where they could have shown

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spidey's Epiphany in the ninth episode

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of the Season Peter actually gets an

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opportunity to take his ship back to

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Earth he nearly leaves counter Earth but

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unfortunately he can't board the ship in

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time and uses his webbing to alter its

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course and basically 911 the high

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evolutionaries Technodrome looking base

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but this feels like a missed opportunity

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for Peter to have actually made the

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decision to sacrifice his ability to go

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home so that he can continue to help

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counter Earth as it stands it plays out

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like it was his only real option but

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this could have been a situation that

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brings his crisis of great

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responsibility to a close in a very

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satisfying way but there are a couple of

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truly great episodes that showcase Peter

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embracing great responsibility the first

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that I absolutely love is the fifth

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episode Steel Cold Heart where Peter

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meets one of the high evolutionaries

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Sentry robots called X51 who's

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malfunctioning after being in service

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for over 20 years Peter recognizes that

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X51 has a higher level of sentience than

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the other robots we peace help me you

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might be a glorified toaster pal

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Ace one request I can't turn down I love

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that Peter treats X51 like a person even

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when others won't Jameson wants to trade

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him in exchange for Bromley but Peter

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even stands up to his own allies to do

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what's right hey ground controlled Major

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John x-51 is not a thing he's a person

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and after X51 helps the rebels and they

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rescue Bromley Jameson admits that he

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was wrong I owe you an apology

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Spider-Man it's not me you should be

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apologizing to John it's x-51 this is

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what I like to see out of this show

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Spidey standing up for what's truly

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right in the face of opposition from his

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own allies that's true responsibility

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through adversity X51 ends up joining

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the team too and I like that their

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little ragtag group of rebels slowly

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grows as the season progresses but the

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absolute Crown Jewel of Spider-Man

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Unlimited episodes is One is the

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Loneliest Number not only an incredible

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Spidey story but an incredible Eddie

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Brock story when beastials steal the

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Venom symbiote from Brock Eddie nearly

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dies and Spidey has to help him but

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you're not Venom are you you're a human

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being but because of how thoroughly

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Eddie bonded with the Symbiote he

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actually needs it to survive so the

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Dilemma Spidey finds himself in is that

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in order to do the right thing and save

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Brock he has to ensure the survival of

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one of his greatest enemies and threats

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but I can't sit back and watch a man die

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not even you Eddie but the lengths that

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Peter goes to maintain that

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responsibility and save Eddie are what

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make this an even greater story after

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securing the Symbiote Peter realizes

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that it cannot survive for long without

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a human host so in order to get it back

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to Eddie before it perishes he dons the

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black costume for the first time in

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years acting as the symbiote's life

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support and Eddie's half of the story is

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incredible as well as nyoko and Shane

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actually appeal to Eddie's humanity and

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though he's dying his sweeter side comes

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out through his interactions with naoko

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and Shane you know for a minute there I

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was starting to like feeling human again

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Eddie actually ends up accepting his

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impending death happy that he's going to

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die a human and not be consumed by the

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Symbiote again unfortunately Carnage has

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other play plans but Eddie was fully

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willing to die even with the Symbiote in

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front of him the last chance to save his

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life no I want to stay Eddie bro

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whatever the price this is just so

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heartbreaking and honestly one of my

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favorite Venom stories ever and

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ultimately Eddie is the other character

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in this episode to Showcase great

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responsibility in order to save naoko

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and Shane he re-emerges with the

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Symbiote even though it means giving up

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his chance to die with dignity to die as

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Eddie Brock we've seen stories where

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Eddie gets Redemption as Venom and

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sacrifices himself before but the idea

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that Eddie has to sacrifice his own

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Humanity to help the people he cares

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about to give up his own dignity and

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become venom again even though it's the

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last thing he wants that is an amazing

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Venom story Eddie embracing his great

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power and his great responsibility this

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episode in my mind justifies this entire

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series existence one of my favorite

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animated episodes of Spidey that I've

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ever seen but overall there were a lot

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of issues with unlimited that kept it

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from truly shining for me the buying in

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for the entirely New World the Beast

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deals in general a slew of new

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unfamiliar Side characters that were

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only occasionally interesting and in my

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opinion a very lackluster main

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antagonist while each of the three major

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Rebel characters get Hoskins Daniel

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Bromley and Karen O'Malley all got some

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decently fleshed out backstories

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eventually none of them really felt all

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that compelling outside of the episodes

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devoted to their histories and git's

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backstory was tragic Bromley had a

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tumultuous history with his brother and

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Karen's ultimate blood connection to the

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high evolutionary these are all

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interesting but none of them made me

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really connect to the characters on a

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level that I'd have liked occasionally

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the Knights of one degree had some

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compelling character traits I

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particularly liked Lord tiger who seemed

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to think for himself about each

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individual situation and never went

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along with the other night's plan just

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because lady vermin's flirtations with

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Spidey were fun too but there's not all

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that much more to it and sadly outside

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of one great Venom episode the

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symbiote's overarching story did not do

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much for me either though I expect that

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had we eventually seen more in regards

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to the synoptic and its plan to further

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expand the Symbiote hive mind this maybe

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could have been interesting and of

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course the saddest of all the series

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ends on a brutal Cliffhanger as

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symbiotic spores launch out of Counter

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Earth threatening to end all life on the

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planet and that is literally how the

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series ends damn how many of these

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Spider-Man cartoons just end on

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Cliffhangers can somebody finish a damn

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Spider-Man story ultimately I do think

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Spider-Man Unlimited was a very cool

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experiment that didn't entirely pay off

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I'm glad it exists there are some great

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stories in here but I can see the

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groundwork for better stories laying

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beneath some that ended up feeling

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lackluster I think that writer will

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Munoz quote about his time on the show

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sums up exactly why this didn't quite

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work I got to work with some great

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people and there are some nice action

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sequences in some of the episodes but I

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wish we could have done the real

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Spider-Man as originally planned and

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that's the main change I would have

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liked just being allowed the honor of

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doing a straightforward adaptation of

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the books I loved as a kid I think

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that's hard to argue with and even after

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they were denied this they came up with

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a pretty compelling counter-earth

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premise with an antagonistic Peter

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Parker and even that idea was thrown

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away due to Marvel's own misguided

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perceptions of what the fans wanted and

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even after all of that they ended up

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canning the show on a cliffhanger never

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allowing the creative team to hit their

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stride in the premise that they had to

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craft around all of the interference it

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seems like the creative team was stifled

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at every turn while making the series

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while I do think some great stuff came

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out of it they were never really given

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the opportunity to make something they

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believed in and that is a shame because

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there was some very creative and

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satisfying work done on Spider-Man

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Unlimited and while I do think it's

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likely going to just be a relatively

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small Cameo it's kind of exciting to me

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that we're going to see this version of

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Spidey in the across the spider-verse

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film I don't think we should expect

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anything substantial but it's cool to

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know that this series Legacy lives on

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