Absolutely Massive: This Next Wave Is 10x Bigger Than BlackRock - Cathie Wood & Matt Hougan

Savvy Finance
1 Mar 202411:36

Summary

TLDRIn a recent interview, ARK Invest CEO Cathy Wood reaffirmed her bull case prediction of Bitcoin reaching $1.5 million by 2027. She believes the massive institutional demand for Bitcoin, evidenced by the successful launch of spot BTC ETFs like ARK's, makes this target likely. Wood expects an even bigger explosion in demand once major brokerages approve and offer these ETFs. Other experts like Bitwise's CEO concur, predicting over $100k per BTC by 2024. With limited supply but growing interest, they argue too much capital is chasing too few coins, necessitating a surge in Bitcoin's price discovery.

Takeaways

  • ๐Ÿ˜ฒ Cathy Wood predicts a massive 23% price explosion for Bitcoin in the next 36 months
  • ๐Ÿ‘ The spot Bitcoin ETFs have been very successful so far
  • ๐Ÿ”ฅ Cathy expects an even bigger explosion when major brokerages approve the ETFs
  • ๐Ÿ“ˆ Merrill Lynch, Wells Fargo and Morgan Stanley are considering offering spot Bitcoin ETFs soon
  • ๐ŸŒŸ This is evidence of the success of the bitcoin products launched just 2 months ago
  • ๐Ÿš€ Cathy predicts super exponential growth from converging technologies in the next 5-10 years
  • ๐Ÿ˜Ž Unlike the dotcom bubble, today's innovations have been developing for over 30 years already
  • ๐Ÿฆ People are scared of another tech bubble and sticking to benchmarks, missing the opportunity
  • ๐Ÿ’ก The building blocks for today's innovations were planted during the dotcom bubble era
  • ๐Ÿ’ฐ Other experts also predict $100k+ bitcoin prices when wirehouses fully embrace the ETFs

Q & A

  • What is Cathy Wood's prediction for the price of Bitcoin in the next 3 years?

    -Cathy Wood is predicting a massive 23% price explosion for Bitcoin within the next 36 months.

  • What is the current status of spot Bitcoin ETF offerings from major wirehouses?

    -Major wirehouses like Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley and Wells Fargo have begun offering spot Bitcoin ETFs to selected clients with brokerage accounts, on request or unsolicited basis. These firms are making an abrupt U-turn to offer these products within 2 months of their launch.

  • How successful have the recently launched spot Bitcoin ETFs been?

    -The spot Bitcoin ETFs have seen great success so far. For example, ARKB Bitcoin ETF by Cathy Wood's firm has $2.03 billion in assets and $1.56 billion in flow, making it the 3rd largest Bitcoin ETF by total flow in assets.

  • Why does Cathy Wood expect an explosion in demand when wirehouses start offering spot Bitcoin ETFs?

    -Cathy explains that wirehouses dominate the customer base for her firm. So when they start offering spot Bitcoin ETFs to their large clientele, it will lead to a huge explosion in demand.

  • What is Cathy Wood's comparison between current innovations and the early 1900s?

    -Cathy explains that the last time we had multiple innovation platforms evolving simultaneously like today was in the early 1900s, which transformed societies. She sees today's innovations as being like that but on steroids.

  • Why does Matt Hougan predict the next wave of institutional interest will push Bitcoin price over $100K?

    -Matt argues the current interest has largely been from retail, hedge funds and independent financial advisors. With wirehouses entering soon, we'll see huge institutional capital driving more demand than supply, pushing prices over $100K.

  • What was the seed sown in the dotcom bubble that is leading to current innovations as per Cathy?

    -Cathy argues that the technologies spearheading current innovations were first developed in the dotcom bubble era of 1990s. They have been maturing for over 20 years now and are ready for primetime adoption.

  • What does Cathy mean when she says innovations today are exponential but also 'super exponential'?

    -She means we'll not only see exponential growth rates of 15-25% as seen during dotcom bubble, but due to convergence of multiple technologies we'll see even faster super exponential growth rates in future.

  • Why does Cathy say investors are 'running for the hills' and benchmark hugging today?

    -Because of bad experiences in dotcom bubble and 2008 financial crisis, investors are scared of hype cycles in new technologies. So they are moving investments to benchmark assets perceived as safe.

  • What lead to the dotcom bubble bursting as per Cathy and how is it different from today?

    -In dotcom bubble, too much capital chased few opportunities too soon when the technologies were not ready. Today these technologies have had 20+ years to mature and are ready for mass adoption.

Outlines

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๐Ÿ˜Š Cathy Wood Predicts $1.5 Million Bitcoin Price by 2027

Cathy Wood gave a bull case prediction of $1.5 million for Bitcoin by 2027 at a Singularity University conference. She believes there is still time for that target as only 3 years have passed. The increasing institutional demand and Bitcoin's fixed supply of 21 million makes the high prediction likely.

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๐Ÿ“ˆ Long-term Bitcoin Holders Not Selling Despite Price Rises

Typically long-term Bitcoin holders sell when prices rise sharply but that has reversed recently. Cathy believes it's because they know institutions need to buy and prices will rise further. She expects an explosion when major brokerages add Bitcoin ETFs.

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๐Ÿš€ Super Exponential Growth Coming in Innovations

Cathy believes innovations across technologies will bring super exponential growth in the next 5-10 years. Unlike the dotcom bubble, the groundwork has been laid over decades so innovations are ready for prime time. She criticizes benchmarks for hindering necessary transformations.

Mindmap

Keywords

๐Ÿ’กBitcoin ETF

A Bitcoin ETF (exchange traded fund) allows investors to gain exposure to the price of Bitcoin without having to directly hold or custody the cryptocurrency. The video discusses the launch and success of several Bitcoin ETFs in 2022-2023, such as the ARK Bitcoin ETF run by Cathie Wood's investment firm. These ETFs are seeing huge demand from both retail and institutional investors.

๐Ÿ’กinstitutional investors

Large professional investors such as hedge funds, pensions, endowments, etc. The video predicts a huge wave of institutional demand for Bitcoin and Bitcoin ETFs still to come, especially when major brokerage firms like Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch open up access.

๐Ÿ’กwirehouses

Major brokerage firms that work with financial advisors and wealth managers, such as Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, UBS, and Wells Fargo. Cathie Wood predicts an "explosion" in Bitcoin investment when these wirehouses begin offering Bitcoin ETFs to their clients.

๐Ÿ’ก$1.5 million price prediction

A very bullish prediction Cathie Wood made previously, forecasting Bitcoin could reach $1.5 million by 2027. She says there is still time for this prediction to be realized, given increasing institutional demand.

๐Ÿ’กprice discovery

The process of determining an asset's true market price based on supply and demand. With growing institutional interest, the next wave of demand could push Bitcoin into a new era of price discovery, possibly over $100k.

๐Ÿ’กdigital assets

Digital assets like Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are a new investable asset class that institutions are just starting to gain exposure to. Their demand is outpacing supply.

๐Ÿ’กrules-based monetary system

Bitcoin has a rules-based monetary policy and issuance schedule that is not subject to human intervention or manipulation, unlike traditional government-issued fiat currencies.

๐Ÿ’กon-chain analytics

Data and metrics derived from monitoring activity and transactions occurring directly on the Bitcoin blockchain. Cathie Wood cites on-chain data showing long-term holder behavior that supports bullish predictions.

๐Ÿ’กdisruptive innovation

Technologies like crypto, AI, robotics, and genomics that will profoundly transform industries and the global economy. Cathie Wood's investment strategy focuses entirely on disruptive innovation.

๐Ÿ’กsuper exponential growth

Growth at extremely high rates (15-25%+ per year) that compounds over time. Cathie Wood argues we could see this type of growth across disruptive technologies, catalyzing enormous change.

Highlights

Kathy gave a bull case of $1.5 million for Bitcoin in 2027

Kathy believes there is still time for Bitcoin's price to climb that high

Kathy is predicting a massive 23% price explosion for Bitcoin within the next 36 months

When wirehouses like Morgan Stanley allow Bitcoin, there will be an explosion

Bitcoin is the first global private, digital, decentralized, rules-based monetary system

Institutions own nothing in this new asset class, they have to consider it

Merrill Lynch and Wells Fargo offering Bitcoin ETFs to selected clients

Morgan Stanley considering adding Bitcoin ETFs

Major wirehouses adding Bitcoin ETFs soon due to client pressure

Next wave of institutional capital will push Bitcoin price over $100K-

Bitcoin supply-demand imbalance is off the hook, too much demand

Bitcoin could surpass $200K before year end

The seeds for everything happening now were sown 20 years ago

We are ready for prime time with these innovations, unlike the 1990s

People are scared and hugging benchmarks, running for the hills

Transcripts

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our bull casee was $1.5 million in 5

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years so that would have been 2027 we

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still have

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time and we still think that's going to

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be right um if you just look at the

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institutional push into Bitcoin this new

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asset class they have to consider it

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there are 19.6 million Bitcoin out there

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right now and the highest it will ever

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goes 21 million uh well okay there's

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real scarcity value and what what is

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going to happen the price increase for

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every institutional dollar pushing in

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now is going to be much higher than it

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was last year two years ago Kathy Wood

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is the founder CEO and CIO of Arc invest

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an investment management firm that

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manages several actively managed exchang

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traded funds based on disruptive

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innovation Cathy and her investment

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management firm are heavily invested in

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Bitcoin and with the resounding success

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of the spot Bitcoin ETFs the American

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investor says she has become even more

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bullish on the leading crypto asset

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while attending a conference hosted by

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Singularity University a few years ago

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Cathy gave a bull case of $1.5 million

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for Bitcoin in

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2027 we are only about 3 years away from

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that yet Cathy believes there is still a

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lot of time for bit coin's price to

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climb that high during her latest

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interview with Peter D amandes a popular

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American marketer entrepreneur and the

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co-founder and executive chairman of

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Singularity University Kathy explains

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that the massive explosion in the demand

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for Bitcoin thre the spot Bitcoin ETFs

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makes it almost a certainty that prices

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will get much higher in the coming years

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Cathy is predicting a massive

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23% price explosion for the leading

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cryptocurrency within the next 36 months

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during her discussion with Peter Kathy

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also talks about the success of her

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firm's AR KB Bitcoin ETF one of the spot

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Bitcoin ETFs approved by the US

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Securities and Exchange Commission in

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January with the exception of gbtc AR

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rkb is the third Bitcoin ETF by total

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flow in assets with $ 2.03 eight billion

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in assets and 1.56 3 billion in flow

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according to recent data from bitmex

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research though the ETFs have so far

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being very successful Kathy says they

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are about to get bigger as soon as an

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important category of Brokers begins

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offering them to their clients we will

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now bring you clips from Cathy's

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your ETF it's done very well you're

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number three now number three you know

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this was David against gath and you know

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uh so this is a a a a very nice win for

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us now we're not finished and in fact in

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our business what's interesting is the

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wirehouses which dominate our customers

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so Morgan Stanley all the advisers at

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these warehouses Morgan Stanley UBS Mar

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L at BFA Wells Fargo not one of them has

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approved Bitcoin on its platform that

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hasn't even happened yet and those are

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our primary clients when that happens

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wait until you see explosion this is not

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just a

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technology um it's a new asset class

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right and beyond that it's a global

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monetary system you know it is the first

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Global uh private meaning no government

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oversight digital and

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decentralized rules-based that's the

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most important word here rules-based

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monetary system in history it's a big

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idea it's you know we're going to get uh

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into if these institutions really want

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to own it what I found fascinating

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recently just learned it this morning is

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uh typically when you go through a price

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move a bitcoin price move to the upside

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you usually see long-term holders which

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is a metric we monitor it's an onchain

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analy analytics metric um and it means

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people who have not moved or wallets

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that have not moved their Bitcoin in 155

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days or more yes well normally when you

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go through a price move to the upside a

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very nice one like we've seen in the

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last year that tends to start moving

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down and it did that true to form but it

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has reversed in recent days because what

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we learned is uh

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gbtc sold some of its Bitcoin so that

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was those wallets hadn't been changed in

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a long time right now that is done at

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least for the time being now that is

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done and um it's going back up again as

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the price goes up that's highly unusual

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and I think it is because um the

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long-term holder saying why would I sell

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now when I know all these

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institutions which own nothing own

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nothing in this realm in this new asset

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class they have to consider it because

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it is a new asset class Kathy is

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gleefully looking forward to when

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wirehouses associated with big names

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like Merill Lynch Morgan Stanley and

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Wells Fargo will begin to offer these

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spot Bitcoin ETFs she believes that

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would be truly gamechanging for AR KB

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other Bitcoin ETFs and the underlying

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crypto asset fortunately that moment

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might be sooner than we imagined

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according to recent reports from

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Bloomberg Merill Lynch the investment

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arm of Bank of America and Wells Fargo's

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wealth management unit have begun

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offering access to the spot Bitcoin ETFs

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to selected clients according to the

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report which cited sources familiar with

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the m

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such clients must have brokerage

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accounts and specifically request the

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Bitcoin ETFs UBS group is also

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reportedly offering some of the approved

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spot Bitcoin ETFs to certain wealth

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management clients with brokerage

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accounts on an unsolicited basis the

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Bloomberg report also revealed that

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Morgan Stanley is considering adding

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spot Bitcoin ETFs to its platform these

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firms making an Abrupt U-turn less than

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2 months after launch is just another

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evidence of how successful the

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bitcoin-based products have been let's

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get back to Kathy's interview as she

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speaks further about the coming

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exponential growth in disruptive

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Innovations in the financial

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world uh exponential that concept the

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last time investors heard it was during

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the teeken Telecom bubble and for them

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that end ended badly now they just don't

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believe it they don't believe it's

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possible to sustain growth rates at 15

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20 25% plus per year but what we think

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is going to happen is not exponential

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growth but super exponential growth as

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we get the

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convergence between among Technologies

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out there we think in the next 5 to 10

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years uh you will not recognize the

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world as we know it today when we're

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trying to help people understand the

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same thing again not just investors but

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anybody um we often say the last time we

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had multiple Innovation platforms

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evolving at the same time was in the

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early 1900s late 1800s early

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1900s and and absolutely right that's

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what you know got everyone off the farms

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and uh into the new world right uh this

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is the same but it's on steroid people

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are scared and uh they are hugging

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benchmarks because they don't want to go

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through another Tekken Telecom bust they

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don't want to go through another

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Financial meltdown

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people are talking about you know uh

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another te another technology hype cycle

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here so these are trigger words for them

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right now so here's the irony here's the

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irony in the late 90s I was there in the

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late 90s the this idea of the internet

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captured the Investor's imagination and

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they started valuing companies on on

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number of eyeballs potentially in 10 to

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20 years to much Capital chased too few

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opportunities too soon and it ended

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badly the Technologies weren't ready and

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they were too expensive so but what

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people what what people do not

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understand is the seeds for everything

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Happening Now were swn during the the 20

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years that ended in the teeken Telecom

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bubble they've been germinating for 25

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30 years we are ready for prime time and

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unlike the late 9s

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they're they're running away they're

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running for the hills what are the hills

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their benchmarks it's ridiculous

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meanwhile kathywood is not the only one

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excited about wirehouses offering spot

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Bitcoin ETFs to their clients earlier

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this week senior Bloomberg ETF analyst

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Eric balchunis revealed that wirehouse

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platforms are seriously looking at

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adding the ETFs soon because of the

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massive pressure from their clients in

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an interview with CNBC on Thursday

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bitwise CEO Matt hugan also talked about

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an even bigger wave of institutional

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demand once major wirehouses begin to

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offer Bitcoin ETFs he said I think

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there's an even bigger wave coming in a

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few months as we start to see the major

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wirehouses turn on the bitwise CEO

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explained that the first wave of Bitcoin

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ETF interest has largely been from

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retail hedge funds and independent

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financial

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advisors so we're going to see the next

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wave of institutional Capital coming he

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added this is a new era of price

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Discovery hugan also talked about

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bitcoin's Supply demand imbalance

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describing it as off the hook he added

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that there's too much demand and not

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enough Supply as such the next wave of

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institutional interest would push

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bitcoin's price substantially higher

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possibly even surpassing bit wise's

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initial $80,000 2024 prediction to hit

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anywhere between $ 100,000 to

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$200,000 or even higher before year end

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hugan super bullish prediction for

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