Roy Lichtenstein – Diagram of an Artist | Tate

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Summary

TLDRThe script provides an intimate look at renowned pop artist Roy Lichtenstein's life and career through interviews with his wife, art dealers, and curators. It traces his artistic journey - from initial controversy and self-doubt over using cartoon images in painting to later commercial success and acceptance. The interviews highlight Lichtenstein's dedication to his craft, easy-going yet focused personality, central influences like his college professor, and close creative partnership with art dealer Leo Castelli.

Takeaways

  • 😊 Roy Lichtenstein was a passionate, focused, and joyful artist who found painting to be his true calling and source of happiness
  • 🎨 His Pop Art style using cartoon imagery was controversial yet impactful, conveying more meaning than his previous works
  • 🖌️ Art professor Hoyt Sherman, who taught perceptual methods, was a major influence on Lichtenstein’s artistic development
  • 😎 Lichtenstein had a humble, good-natured personality and bonded with his art dealer Leo Castelli through decades of friendship and trust
  • 📐 He used techniques like flipping canvases to eliminate subjectivity and focus on pure form when painting
  • 🧑‍🎨 The industrial, ironic style of Pop Art was a major departure from the emotion-driven Abstract Expressionist movement
  • 🎉 Lichtenstein was surprised and amused by his own success, joking he would end up forgotten in an asylum
  • 💡 His interest was in the positioning and contrast of lines and shapes, not their innate character
  • 🤝 He valued his collaborative creative partnership with Castelli, saying: 'I paint the pictures and he sells them, as that. What could be better?'
  • 😄 Even at the height of his fame, Lichtenstein remained down-to-earth and true to his personality

Q & A

  • What medium did Lichtenstein primarily work in?

    -Lichtenstein worked primarily as a painter, using oil and acrylic paints on canvas.

  • What art movement was Lichtenstein associated with?

    -Lichtenstein was a pioneering Pop artist, known for his paintings based on comic strips and advertising imagery.

  • How did Lichtenstein transform his cartoon-based source material?

    -Lichtenstein transformed cartoon images into paintings by outlining shapes in thick black contours and using Ben-Day dots, a printing process that renders tonal gradations.

  • Who was Lichtenstein's art dealer?

    -Leo Castelli was Lichtenstein's art dealer for his entire career, from 1961 until the artist's death in 1997.

  • What was Lichtenstein's artistic process like?

    -Lichtenstein kept a regular schedule, working in his studio with great focus and enjoyment. Painting was his joy and purpose.

  • How did Lichtenstein feel about his early Pop Art paintings?

    -Lichtenstein found his early Pop paintings, which departed from Abstract Expressionism, to be frightening but also meaningful.

  • Who was Hoyt Sherman and what was his influence?

    -Hoyt Sherman was Lichtenstein's art professor at Ohio State. His teachings on perception greatly impacted Lichtenstein's approach.

  • Why did Lichtenstein turn his paintings upside down?

    -Lichtenstein turned paintings upside down to distance himself from the subject matter and see the work as pure painterly marks.

  • What was Lichtenstein's relationship with his art dealer like?

    -Lichtenstein and Leo Castelli shared a close friendship and trusted each other completely throughout their 36-year partnership.

  • How did Lichtenstein feel about his success and fame?

    -Lichtenstein was amused by his growing fame but retained a sense of humility, imagining it could all disappear.

Outlines

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😊 Lichtenstein's Artistic Style and Career

This paragraph provides an overview of Roy Lichtenstein's artistic style, describing it as diagrammatic and outlining in nature. It discusses his dedication to painting, daily studio routine, and lack of pretension about his work. The passage also notes the controversy surrounding Pop Art when Lichtenstein became known in the 1960s, and how some questioned whether it qualified as serious art.

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😄 Lichtenstein's Influences and Perspective on His Work

This paragraph explores various influences on Lichtenstein's work, including his Ohio State professor Hoyt Sherman's teachings about perception. It also conveys Lichtenstein's aim of resensing familiar subjects by turning them upside down, using mirrors, and revisiting them later with fresh eyes. The passage suggests Lichtenstein was amused by high-flung things and had a natural humility about his art.

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Keywords

💡Pop Art

Pop Art was an art movement in the 1960s that used imagery and techniques from popular culture like advertising, comic books, and mundane cultural objects. It is mentioned several times in the script as Lichtenstein was a seminal Pop Art painter. His use of comic book styles and commercial art formats was controversial but impactful. When the interviewer first met Lichtenstein, there was still “great controversy” around whether Pop Art was serious art.

💡painting style

Lichtenstein had a very distinct painting style focused on outlining, delineating, and simplifying the subject matter. As described in the script, "The diagram is maybe a good word, for the way I represent other artists, That may be true of cartooning, That it tends to be a diagram of a person, It seems to depict by outlining, delineating in a simple way, what a subject is." This diagrammatic and graphic style, influenced by comic books and commercial art, was central to his work.

💡artistic process

The video gives insight into Lichtenstein's artistic process. He kept a regular schedule, spending full days painting in the studio which he saw as a "joy" and "pleasure". He was very focused when working, to the point where the interviewer could sit and watch him paint without being a distraction.

💡perception

Perception and new ways of seeing art are discussed. An old professor of Lichtenstein taught him "ways of seeing and perception" using quick image flashes. Lichtenstein later built on this by saying, "When I turn the work upside down, it's to obliterate the subject...You can see it clearly if you look at it through a mirror because it reverses everything." Changing perception was key to his style.

💡commercial art

Lichtenstein made extensive use of commercial art as source material, particularly comic books and advertising. He felt commercial art was "as far away from an artistic image as you can get" which is why transforming it appealed to him. His paintings retained the comic or graphic look rather than seeming tortured or anguished.

💡artistic meaning

A central tension in Lichtenstein's work was whether it held artistic meaning, given its pop art commercial style. He states, "it had meaning and I knew very shortly that it had more meaning, then the things I had done before". The interviewer notes there was controversy over whether the work was "serious art" when she first met him.

💡artistic purpose

The video touches on debates around the purpose of Lichtenstein's art with his new pop art style. Lines are drawn between perceiving the works as "pure mark" and compositional elements rather than just as representations of comic book themes or subjects. Lichtenstein stated his aim was to create "something entirely different" from his original sources.

💡recontextualization

A core aspect of Lichtenstein's work was recontextualizing commercial art by putting it into the contexts and formats of fine art, like large paintings. This built irony, wit, and tensions between high and low culture. But even Lichtenstein was "frightened" when first doing this as it went against his sense of art and taste.

💡Artistic draftsmanship

The interviewer notes Lichtenstein "never quite managed to get the tormented look" in his paintings that Abstract Expressionists had. While other pop artists might have, Lichtenstein retained a level of artistic draftsmanship and avoidance of extremes. He was grounded and humble rather than tortured.

💡Dealer relationship

Lichtenstein had a lifelong relationship with his art dealer Leo Castelli built on friendship and trust rather than contracts. He joked that Castelli "sells them [the paintings] and what could be better" in terms of their mutual reliance. This close dealer relationship was important to his commercial success.

Highlights

Lichtenstein's art was diagrammatic, outlining and delineating subjects in a simple way.

Lichtenstein found joy and pleasure in creating art in his studio.

Lichtenstein's art was controversial when it first emerged, challenging Abstract Expressionism.

Lichtenstein was frightened by his early Pop Art style, finding it lacking taste and artistry.

Lichtenstein was fascinated by using cartoon styles in formal painting.

A professor influenced Lichtenstein's unique ways of seeing and perception.

Turning art upside down helped Lichtenstein re-perceive it in a pure way.

Lichtenstein focused on line, contrast and position rather than character.

Lichtenstein had a natural humility and was amused by the absurd.

Lichtenstein had a lifelong friendship and trust with his art dealer.

Lichtenstein joked he'd be unaware of his fame, medicated in a wheelchair.

Lichtenstein said his role was painting, and his dealer's was selling.

The best relationship between an artist and dealer is friendship.

Lichtenstein never had a contract with his dealer Leo Castelli.

Lichtenstein imagined snowed-in obscurity rather than fame and fortune.

Transcripts

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The diagram is maybe a good word

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for the way I represent other artists

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That may be true of cartooning

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That it tends to be a diagram of a person

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It seems to depict by outlining

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delineating in a simple way

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what a subject is

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<The studio was his favourite place

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It was the idea that he could actually

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come down and play

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Sometimes he just liked to come down

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and even clean his paintbrushes

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And look around at the work he was doing

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at that time

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Roy kept a pretty regular schedule

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He was usually in the studio by 10

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had the same thing for breakfast single morning

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Broke for lunch

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Came back and worked

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It wasn't like: ' I have to go to work today,

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God I have to paint today'

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Nothing

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It was his joy, it was his pleasure

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It was everything

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Sometimes I'd go to the studio in Southhamptom

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And he'd be alone in the studio

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I'd sit in a little chair and watch him work

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And I thought I'd be distracting.

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No. I'd watch him work

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He was just focused

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Nothing could distract him

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He never really dreamed that he

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would be able to support himself

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Through just painting

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That was something that made him truly happy

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<So the question of the hour is:

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How are you going to work in Rome?

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I'm going to do some drawing and thinking

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and mostly eating I think

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[laughs]

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<He was exactly, the first day I met him,

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to the day I never saw him again

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the same way

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Easy-going, charming,

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He wasn't judgemental

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< I was working at the Bianchini Gallery

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in New York and we and exhibition called:

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'The Great American Supermarket'

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And thought: wouldn't it be great

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if instead of a regular poster, we could get

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Roy Lichtenstein and Andrew Warhol

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To put an image on a shopping bag

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They both agreed

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and I met Roy in 1964

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when he came in to sign the shopping bags

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< Well it was 64, so he was pretty well known

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He was an internationally known artist

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There was still great controversy

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It was in the air

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'Is Pop Art serious? Is it this? 'Is it Art?

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All that stuff was still up there

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A lot of people were upset about it

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The Abstract Expressionists must have felt

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pretty upset because they saw their

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whole anguish of the world vanish

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in this ironic and witty

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and beautifully done work

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< What I did in these early paintings was

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frightening to me really

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It seemed to go counter to a sense of taste

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I had developed along with I hope a sense of art

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Except I knew it had meaning and I knew

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vey shortly that it had more meaning

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then the things I had done before

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But, because it was so different

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it was really frightening

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< He as not a fan of comics

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It was the nature of the cartoon

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it just seemed as far away from

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an artistic image as you can get and to try

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and transform that into a formal painting

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really appealed to him

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He also found it impossible to go back

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to doing what he had been doing

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I must say, he never quite managed

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to get the tormented look in those paintings

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He wasn't the tortured artist

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He used to joke and say he was going to

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take curmudgeon lessons

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[laughs]

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When Roy was in Ohio State

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he had an art professor, Hoyt Sherman

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who was a huge influence on him

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Talked all about ways of seeing and perception

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He had methods of teaching where he

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flashed slides in a dark room really quickly

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and had people sketch them so that they

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could get the Holmes or Gestalt of the work

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That really had a major impact on Roy

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< When I turn the work upside down

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it's to obliterate the subject

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or to resense it

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Think of it more as pure mark

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then you can subject

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You can see it clearly if you look at it through

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a mirror because it reverses everything

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and anything you don't want if doubly off

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because it's the other way around

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It's almost the same as coming back two weeks later

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and looking at it and you see what is off then

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Art is about something that is entirely

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different from what my original sources were

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and I like the contradiction

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I think people mistake the character of line

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for the character of art

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But it is really the position of the line

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that is important or the position

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of anything, any contrast

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not the character of it

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Anything that was kind of high flung

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always amused him and

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And he himself just had a natural humility really

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< I paint the pictures and he sells them

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as that. What could be better

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It's pretty simple

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I try to be a little more complicated

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But not too much.

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I would say that there are

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several kinds of relationships

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that can exist between a dealer and a painter

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The best one is the one of friendship

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and that's what my relationship is to Lichtenstein

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That's true

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< Leo Castelli was his dealer for his entire life

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from 1961 until his death

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They trusted each other completed

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They never had a contract

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As Roy started to become more successful

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and better known

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He used to joke and say

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someone is going to be tapping him and say:

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'Mr. Lichtenstein, it's time for your pills'

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And he would be in a wheelchair and

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with his hat cockeyed on his head

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and he would still be living in Oswego in New York

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snowed in and this will all have been a dream

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