Let's Be Clear on the Difference Between Angels and Demons | Jonathan Pageau

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26 Jun 202105:25

Summary

TLDRThe speaker discusses the Queen of Heaven in the Book of Jeremiah and her relation to the Mother of God, Mary. He explains that while ancient hierarchies of gods existed, these were meant to serve God's will but later rebelled. Mary, however, fulfills the Queen of Heaven role by offering worship to God, unlike the rebellious gods who sought power for themselves. The speaker emphasizes that Mary's role is not idolatry but a proper participation in the divine order, where honor is directed upwards to God.

Takeaways

📜 Christianity is a non-dual religion where Christ offers a way for all things to be saved.
👑 The 'Queen of Heaven' mentioned in the book of Jeremiah is distinct from the Mother of God (Mary) in Christian theology.
🛡️ God originally established a hierarchy of guardians or principalities to manage the world according to His will.
⚔️ These principalities rebelled against God, taking power and worship for themselves, which is condemned by the prophet.
🏰 The analogy of generals and aristocrats illustrates how these rebellious entities took power for themselves instead of serving the higher divine order.
🙏 Mary, the Mother of God, is a proper example of the 'Queen of Heaven' as she always directs honor and worship to God, never keeping it for herself.
🎨 Icons of Mary depict her in prayer and worship, emphasizing her role as one who elevates worship to God.
🕊️ The concept of the divine council is being reinstated through the saints and the faithful, who are called to rule with Christ.
⚖️ The patterns and titles of ancient pagan gods are not necessarily wrong but are fulfilled properly in Christian saints who serve and worship God.
🛡️ St. Michael, as the commander of God's army, is an example of a figure who offers his service and worship to God, unlike the rebellious entities who misuse their power.

Q & A

What is the relationship between the Queen of Heaven in the Book of Jeremiah and the Mother of God in Christianity?
-The Queen of Heaven in the Book of Jeremiah represents a rebellious figure who seeks worship and power for herself, contrary to God's will. In contrast, the Mother of God (Mary) in Christianity fulfills a similar role in a righteous way by offering all honor and worship to God, thus embodying the proper function of a divine intermediary.
How does the concept of non-duality relate to the discussion of the Queen of Heaven and Mary?
-The speaker emphasizes that Christianity is non-dual, meaning that everything is ultimately reconciled through Christ. Mary, as the Queen of Heaven, participates in this non-duality by directing all honor and worship upward to God, rather than keeping it for herself, which aligns with the non-dual nature of Christianity.
What does the speaker mean by the 'hierarchies of gods' and how does it relate to Christian theology?
-The 'hierarchies of gods' refer to the guardians or principalities that God originally established to manage the world according to His will. However, these beings rebelled, seeking worship and power for themselves. In Christian theology, this rebellion contrasts with the proper order, where beings like Mary direct all worship and honor to God, thus participating in the divine hierarchy correctly.
Can you explain the analogy of generals and aristocrats in relation to the principalities and powers?
-The analogy compares the principalities and powers to generals and aristocrats in a kingdom. These figures are supposed to execute the will of the emperor (God) but some rebel, seeking power and worship for themselves. This rebellion mirrors the actions of the principalities who sought to usurp God's authority.
How does Mary, the Mother of God, differ from the rebellious principalities in the speaker's explanation?
-Mary differs from the rebellious principalities by fully submitting to God's will and directing all honor and worship she receives upward to God. Unlike the principalities that sought power for themselves, Mary functions within the divine hierarchy as it was intended, without keeping any honor for herself.
What role do the saints play in the divine hierarchy according to the speaker?
-The saints participate in the divine hierarchy by reigning with Christ and helping to restore the proper order, where all worship and honor is directed toward God. This reinstates the original divine council that was corrupted by the rebellion of the principalities.
Why does the speaker believe that the titles of ancient pagan gods are not necessarily wrong?
-The speaker suggests that the titles of ancient pagan gods are not wrong in themselves but were misused when the beings associated with them sought to keep worship and power for themselves. In Christian thought, similar titles can be applied to figures like saints or angels, provided they direct all honor to God.
How does the speaker use the example of Saint Michael to explain the proper use of power in the divine hierarchy?
-Saint Michael, as the commander of God's army, is compared to the pagan god of war. However, unlike the pagan god, Saint Michael is subject to God and uses his power in service and worship of the infinite God, rather than for his own gain. This illustrates the proper use of power in the divine hierarchy.
What does the speaker mean by 'offering it up higher' in relation to Mary?
-'Offering it up higher' refers to Mary's practice of directing any honor or worship she receives toward God. This act of offering ensures that the honor does not stop with her but is passed on to the highest authority, God Himself.
Why does the speaker mention medieval Marian miracles in relation to the Queen of Heaven?
-The speaker acknowledges that some aspects of medieval Marian miracles might resemble the practices condemned by the prophet Jeremiah. However, the key difference is that Mary, as the Queen of Heaven, does not keep any honor for herself but directs it all to God, thus maintaining the proper divine order.

Outlines

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🤔 Exploring the Queen of Heaven in Jeremiah and Her Connection to Mary

This paragraph addresses a question about the Queen of Heaven mentioned in the Book of Jeremiah and her relation to the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God. The speaker explains that Christianity is non-dualistic, meaning it doesn't adhere to strict binaries like good and evil without context. The discussion delves into the concept of spiritual hierarchies, where principalities, or spiritual beings, were initially meant to serve God's will but eventually rebelled to seek power for themselves. The Queen of Heaven is considered a real spiritual function, and Mary fulfills this role in a righteous manner, always directing worship towards God rather than keeping it for herself. The speaker emphasizes that while there are similarities between pagan gods and Christian figures like Mary or St. Michael, the key difference lies in their submission to God's will.

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🤯 Clarifying Complex Concepts in Spiritual Hierarchies

In this paragraph, the speaker reflects on how they may have gone deeper into explaining these spiritual concepts than usual. They acknowledge the complexity of the ideas discussed, particularly the distinctions between ancient pagan gods and Christian saints. The speaker hopes that their detailed explanation has been helpful in clarifying these challenging concepts.

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Keywords

💡Queen of Heaven

The 'Queen of Heaven' refers to a title mentioned in the Book of Jeremiah, which the prophet condemns as associated with idolatry and pagan worship. In the video, this concept is contrasted with the role of Mary, the Mother of God, in Christian theology. While the title 'Queen of Heaven' has pagan connotations, in Christian understanding, Mary fulfills this role by submitting to God's will and directing all honor to Him, thus offering a sanctified version of the title.

💡Mother of God

The 'Mother of God' refers to Mary, who is venerated in Christian tradition as the mother of Jesus Christ. In the video, Mary is described as fulfilling the role of the 'Queen of Heaven' in a way that is aligned with divine will, unlike the rebellious pagan deities. Her role is highlighted as one of submission and reverence towards God, making her a proper model of worship and devotion in contrast to the condemned practices in Jeremiah.

💡Non-dual

The term 'non-dual' in the video refers to the concept that Christianity transcends binary oppositions, such as good versus evil or sacred versus profane. Christianity, according to the speaker, offers a way to understand and reconcile various aspects of existence within a unified divine order. This non-dual understanding is key to interpreting the roles of figures like Mary and the ancient hierarchies of gods.

💡Divine Council

The 'Divine Council' refers to a group of spiritual beings who, according to some interpretations of the Bible, were originally appointed by God to govern the world in accordance with His will. In the video, these beings are described as having rebelled, seeking worship for themselves instead of directing it to God. The reinstatement of the Divine Council through the saints and their reigning with Christ reflects the Christian restoration of this divine order.

💡Principalities

In the video, 'Principalities' are described as spiritual beings or lower gods that were meant to manage different aspects of creation under God's authority. However, they rebelled and sought power for themselves, becoming objects of idolatry. This rebellion is contrasted with the role of Mary and the saints, who properly direct all honor and worship to God, thus restoring the intended order.

💡Rebellion

Rebellion in this context refers to the act of spiritual beings or gods defying God's authority and seeking power and worship for themselves. The video discusses how these rebellious beings contrast with figures like Mary, who remain faithful to God's will. Rebellion leads to the distortion of the divine order, whereas submission to God restores it.

💡Iconography

Iconography refers to the visual representations and symbols used in religious art. In the video, the icons of the Mother of God (Mary) are mentioned as showing her in acts of prayer and worship, which symbolizes her role in directing honor towards God. This imagery is contrasted with the self-serving actions of the rebellious spiritual beings, emphasizing Mary's proper role in the divine order.

💡Saint Michael

Saint Michael is mentioned as an example of a spiritual being who, unlike the rebellious principalities, remains obedient to God. He is described as the commander of God's army, analogous to the pagan god of war, but with the key difference that Michael's power is always directed towards serving God's will. This highlights the theme of proper submission to divine authority.

💡Pagan Gods

Pagan gods are referred to in the video as the deities worshiped in ancient religions, often associated with specific natural forces or societal roles. These gods, like the 'Queen of Heaven' mentioned in Jeremiah, sought worship for themselves. The video contrasts them with Christian saints and Mary, who direct all honor to God, showing how Christianity reinterprets these roles within a monotheistic framework.

💡Hierarchy of Being

The 'Hierarchy of Being' refers to the structured order of existence, where different levels of beings, from the divine to the earthly, have specific roles in manifesting God's will. In the video, this concept is used to explain the role of spiritual beings who were meant to manage creation under God but rebelled. The proper functioning of this hierarchy is restored through figures like Mary and the saints, who align themselves with God's will.

Highlights

The Queen of Heaven in the book of Jeremiah is discussed in relation to the Mother of God, with a focus on how medieval Marian miracles might reflect similar themes.

Christianity is ultimately a non-dual belief system where Christ offers a way to save and elevate various hierarchies of beings.

In the original creation, God established principalities and guardians to manage the world in alignment with His will.

These principalities rebelled against God, seeking worship and power for themselves, deviating from their intended role.

The concept of hierarchical rebellion is illustrated by comparing it to generals who rebel against an emperor, seeking power and wealth for themselves.

The Queen of Heaven is seen as a legitimate function, but Mary fulfills this role properly by offering worship to God rather than keeping honor for herself.

Icons of the Mother of God depict her worshiping Christ and praying to God, emphasizing her role in giving honor to a higher power.

The difference between ancient gods and the saints is that the saints, like Mary, offer their honor and worship to God rather than keeping it for themselves.

The divine council is being reinstated through the saints, who reign with Christ, contrasting with the ancient hierarchy of rebellious gods.

The patterns of ancient titles and functions may resemble those of saints, but the key distinction is in their subjection and service to God.

The comparison between the God of War and Saint Michael highlights the difference between a being who tyrannizes and one who serves the divine will.

The roles and titles of ancient pagan gods are not inherently wrong but must be understood in a Christian context where they are subject to God's will.

Mary's story and imagery consistently show her offering honor to God, never keeping it for herself, which is a key distinction from idolatry.

The idea that Mary is worshiped as a goddess is countered by her consistent portrayal as one who elevates everything to God.

The concept of hierarchical service is essential to understanding the proper Christian order, where beings at different levels serve and worship God, rather than seeking power for themselves.