UK May Arrest Influencers Who Are Abroad
Summary
TLDRThe transcript discusses the fear and authoritarianism experienced under communism in Romania, highlighting the lack of freedom, accountability, and the government's control over information and resources. It delves into the challenges of implementing authoritarian measures in the age of social media, comparing historical control methods to modern dilemmas faced by governments. The narrative also touches on the potential for Western nations to adopt authoritarian practices, exploring the implications for free speech and the role of social media influencers in societal unrest.
Takeaways
- 😔 The speaker's parents disliked communism in Romania primarily due to the authoritarianism, not the ideology or taxation.
- 🗣️ A significant issue was the lack of freedom of speech and the inability to hold politicians accountable for their actions.
- 🏚️ The government controlled all aspects of life, including housing and employment, making citizens completely reliant on it.
- 😨 People lived in constant fear of repercussions for expressing dissatisfaction with the government or complaining about living conditions.
- 📰 Information was strictly controlled by the government, and accessing alternative sources like Radio Free Europe was punishable.
- 🐓 The story of Stalin and the chicken illustrates the power of a government to control and manipulate its citizens through fear and dependence.
- 🌎 The speaker contrasts the fear and control in Romania with the liberties and freedoms enjoyed in the United States.
- 🤔 The script raises the hypothetical scenario of a Western nation adopting authoritarian measures, questioning how it might look and the challenges it would pose.
- 🚫 The discussion of social media control highlights the difficulty authoritarian governments face in managing information in the digital age.
- 👮♂️ The script mentions the potential use of legal systems to suppress free speech, such as arresting individuals for 'grossly offensive' posts on social media.
- 🤷♂️ The speaker expresses confusion and concern over the disparity in how different riots and protests are treated by authorities, questioning the motives behind such actions.
Q & A
Why did the speaker's parents dislike communism in Romania?
-The speaker's parents disliked communism in Romania not because of the ideology or taxation, but due to the authoritarianism that restricted freedom of speech, personal liberty, and the lack of accountability for politicians.
What was the main concern of the people living under communism in Romania according to the script?
-The main concern was the constant fear of speaking out against the government or expressing dissatisfaction, as it could lead to trouble, and the lack of any means to hold politicians accountable for their actions.
How did the Romanian government control the information during the communist era?
-The government controlled information by being the sole provider, punishing those who sought information from other sources like Radio Free Europe, and making people reliant on it for housing, jobs, and welfare.
What is the story of Stalin and the live chicken meant to illustrate?
-The story illustrates the power of a government to control and brutalize its people as long as it controls their basic needs, drawing a parallel to how people may follow oppressive regimes out of dependency.
What is the speaker's fear regarding a Western nation adopting authoritarian measures?
-The speaker fears that a Western nation could become an authoritarian state that suppresses liberty and freedom, focusing only on safety and control, which could lead to a loss of free speech and open discourse.
How has the control of information changed with the advent of social media?
-Controlling information has become more complex with social media, as it is a global platform that is difficult to regulate completely. Options for an authoritarian government include banning platforms or working with social media companies to silence dissenting voices.
What is the speaker's concern about the United Kingdom's approach to social media influencers in the context of riots?
-The speaker is concerned about the UK's potential to use vague terms to justify the arrest and extradition of social media influencers who may be seen as contributing to unrest, even if their actions are not directly violent.
How does the speaker view the difference in treatment between various riots and the response to them?
-The speaker questions why some riots receive a more severe response and are labeled as terror, while others, like the BLM riots, may not receive the same level of scrutiny or fear-mongering.
What does the speaker find concerning about the UK's approach to handling social media posts during unrest?
-The speaker finds it concerning that the UK may be arresting individuals for 'grossly offensive' posts on social media without transparency, and that trials related to these posts are held in secret.
How does the speaker describe the potential impact of the UK's actions on public trust?
-The speaker suggests that the UK's actions, such as secret trials and the potential for arbitrary arrests based on social media posts, could erode public trust and make it difficult for the government to regain credibility.
Outlines
😨 Fear and Authoritarianism in Romania
The speaker reflects on their parents' experiences with communism in Romania, highlighting not the ideology itself but the authoritarianism that came with it. The lack of freedom of speech, liberty, and the absence of accountability for politicians are emphasized. The fear of expressing dissatisfaction with living conditions, such as lack of electricity or increasing costs of living, is discussed, as well as the government's control over information and resources, making citizens completely reliant on it. The speaker also shares a chilling anecdote about Stalin to illustrate the psychological control exerted by authoritarian regimes and ponders the implications of a Western nation adopting such measures, especially considering the role of social media in modern times.
🤔 The Challenge of Controlling Information in 2024
This paragraph delves into the complexities of controlling information in the digital age, contrasting the past methods of censorship with the current challenges posed by social media. The speaker explores two potential strategies an authoritarian regime might use to control social media: outright banning platforms, which is highly visible and could be seen as a sign of dictatorship, or covertly influencing social media companies to ban 'problematic' users. Examples from Britain and Brazil are given to illustrate these tactics. The speaker also discusses the potential for using legal measures against social media influencers, drawing on a BBC article that suggests the prosecution of influencers involved in violent disorder, raising questions about the subjective nature of such charges and the potential for abuse of power.
🛑 The Disparity in Handling Riots and the Role of Social Media
The speaker questions the disparity in how different riots are treated, focusing on the UK's approach to handling extreme right-wing social media influencers. The narrative includes the arrest warrant for a specific individual and the potential for extradition, raising the question of why certain individuals are singled out while others are not. The speaker also criticizes what they perceive as fear-mongering by the media, comparing the UK's actions to those of other Western nations and expressing concern about the potential erosion of trust between the government and its citizens. Instances of social media posts leading to arrests and secret trials are mentioned, adding to the overall concern about the state of freedom of expression in the UK.
👁️🗨️ Public Reaction and the 'British Way' of Handling Dissent
In the final paragraph, the speaker invites public opinion on the discussed topics, reflecting on the British approach to dissent and the potential consequences of suppressing information. The speaker recounts an incident where a woman discussing far-right issues was harassed, and the video of the incident was quickly removed, suggesting a pattern of suppression. The paragraph ends with a rhetorical question about the UK's ability to regain the trust of its citizens after such incidents, implying a need for transparency and accountability in governance.
Mindmap
Keywords
💡Communism
💡Authoritarianism
💡Accountability
💡Fear
💡Control
💡Information Control
💡Social Media
💡Freedom of Speech
💡Extradition
💡Riots
💡Influencers
Highlights
Parents' view on communism in Romania was not about the ideology but the authoritarianism and lack of freedom.
Authoritarianism led to fear of speaking out against the government and a lack of accountability for politicians.
Government control over information and resources made people completely reliant on it.
Stalin's allegory of power and control through the live chicken story.
The contrast between the fear of living under authoritarianism and the freedom in the United States.
The hypothetical scenario of a Western nation becoming authoritarian and the implications for social media.
The challenges of controlling information in the age of social media compared to traditional newspapers.
The potential methods of authoritarian control over social media, including banning or shadow banning users.
The case of the BBC and the director of public prosecution's stance on social media influencers.
The subjective nature of what constitutes 'playing a role' in riots or violence on social media.
Arrests and charges related to social media posts during the UK riots, including secret trials.
The difference in treatment of riots and the potential political motivations behind it.
The high court's warrant for the arrest of a social media influencer and the implications for free speech.
The potential for international cooperation in extraditing individuals for social media activity.
The sentencing guidelines and potential jail time for those involved in the riots.
The comparison of the UK's approach to riots with other Western nations and the question of fear-mongering.
The concern about the trust between the government and citizens after heavy-handed responses to social media activity.
The anecdote about the German comedian and the international implications of free speech.
Transcripts
you know I did ask my parents why they
hated communism in Romania and the thing
that they answered surprised me uh it
wasn't necessarily the ideology uh it
wasn't the
taxation it was the
authoritarianism basically the idea that
you can't speak freely you don't have
Liberty you can't um complain about the
government there's no way of holding
politicians accountable for what they're
doing like politicians could be visibly
corrupt they could increase taxes they
could take from the people and there was
no accountability for that there there
was nothing you could do about that your
opinion didn't matter and more
importantly it was the fear and and you
were afraid that you may say something
at work uh you may make a joke you may
vent your frustration over the fact that
you don't have electricity or the cost
of living is going up or everything is
rationed and that could actually get you
in trouble so was like living under
constant fear as well as the zero
accountability for the politicians that
were getting fatter and
fatter and you know I was wondering like
how did they manage to do that and the
answer is through control right like
like the only way you would get your
information was from the government
getting your information from any other
source like the radio free Europe was
punishable and the government made it so
that you're reliant on it right like you
don't actually own your house you rent
it from the government you don't
actually uh have a job outside of the
government because the government
controls everything um you don't really
uh get to have welfare outside of the
government I mean you're already taxed a
lot so you can't save money right so
like if you need money you need to
appeal to the government so basically
like the government was making you
completely reliant on it and the people
that were running it were having zero
accountability and there's this uh
interesting thing I I don't even know if
it's real or not but it is
fascinating regarding Stalin uh sitting
at a table with some of his inner
oligarchs and they bring him a live
chicken and Stalin starts pling the
chicken in front of everyone right and
and everyone is horrified because like
this animal is screaming for its life
and now Stalin is covered in blood as he
rips the feathers away from the chicken
but like no one has the courage to say
anything about it because it's Stalin
like they they don't want to get in
trouble right like no one has the
courage to speak out and after Stalin
finishes and you can see that the
chicken is in huge
pain uh he brings some corn and leads
the chicken around the room and the
chicken actually follows him the moral
of the story is that it doesn't matter
what you do to the people you can
brutalize them as much as you want as
long as they can't get their food from
anywhere else they're going to follow
you
around so that that to me was very
creepy because like it shows the power
of the government and what
differentiates the United States from
other
places I was quite happy that I didn't
live the time of my parents that I
didn't live under authoritarianism that
I benefit from Liberty and freedom and
you know I can express pretty much
everything that I want that there are
some limits which didn't exist 10 years
ago so you know it's is not perfect but
it's it's better than than what my
parents had right still I I did ask
myself the question what if a western
Nation like if a powerful Western Nation
decided to be authoritarian like like if
they didn't care about Liberty and
freedom at all and they only cared about
safety and suppression how would that
look like cuz when you look at human
history like a lot of these nations that
decided to go either fascist or Soviet
or you know the different like Flav
of
authoritarianism they were once free
Nations like their people once had
Liberty like it can happen that your
nation is free and all of a sudden
becomes an authoritarian hellhole so it
is possible for a nation that we look at
with and and we think it's it's free and
it's a just Society like all of a sudden
it can actually use repressive measures
on its own people Chinese style right
so if it's possible how would it look
like and you know the only thing that
that I realized is that it would have a
big problem with social media because in
the past all you had to do was to
control the newspapers that was easy
enough like you make sure that
newspapers can't operate without a
license and you don't give license to
the Publishers that don't play ball so
like if you have a newspaper that just
criticizes the government you find a
reason not to give them a license and if
they keep publicizing that they're
operating against the law so you can
arrest them right like it's very simple
and you can also choose to import
newspapers that are coming from abroad
so like in the Soviet Union like they
wouldn't import the New York Times right
so like there you go problem solved you
manage to control what people think you
manage to control what people see it's
very easy right but it 2024 things are
different because you got social media
that the world
uses and you have two choices you know
you can either like for instance ban
Facebook which looks awful I mean it
actually goes like mask off like you're
a dictatorship now like you decide to to
ban Free Speech right like as much as
they waged war against the concept there
are people that still believe it and you
know there are people that believe well
if you have nothing to hide you have
nothing to fear so why would you hide
Facebook you know but like that that
would be the extreme right to just like
flat out ban something um the other one
would be to actually ask the social
media company to to ban the problematic
users on your behalf and and make it
seem that that you didn't request their
bans it's just like they violated the
TOs and I think Britain already did it
um but Brazil also did the same like
they had that Supreme Court judge and it
wasn't that he was asking journalists
and other politicians to be banned he
did exactly what I said like he was
asking like okay ban them but make it
look like an accident like make it look
like they're a violator of the to or
something like that cuz you're a free
company you can do whatever you want
yeah just don't link it to me so like
that that's another way of Performing
authoritarianism just like shutting down
the people themselves from social media
right so you can still use social media
you can still read whatever you want
it's just like oh those people that you
like to read they they just got banned
for violating
to but but another interesting way is uh
this apparently right so you get the BBC
uh the barely British company saying
that nowhere to hide for influencers
behind this order so the director of
public prosecution says his people will
consider seeking extradition of social
media influencers allegedly playing a
role in the violent disorder gripping
the UK from abroad so like very vague
terms like what what exactly does it
mean like like okay so are you a person
that's actually organizing the riot then
I I could see why they would justify
this right but like what if you're just
a person that's uh you know like like
you're looking at Britain from afar and
you're like okay well these rid whatever
you're not like wagging your finger and
disavowing like is it enough how many
views right like take into account that
British law is very interesting like how
dula got arrested for uh teaching a dog
to do na like like all of this is
subjective
right so uh this article I find very
interesting because like usually they
would say like okay if you're doing this
like if you're organizing if you're a
leader if you're getting money from abro
I I would understand that but like okay
so if you're an influencer which plays a
role like what what what does plays a
role mean like for instance if some
Muslims uh decide
to attack far right protesters and
there's people in the Middle East that
are saying oh yeah good job Lads is that
playing a
role stepen Parkinson told the BBC that
offenders must know that they are not
safe and that there is nowhere to hide
he added that anybody involved in the
violence should know that they would
face the most severe possible criminal
charges including terrorist
approximately 100 of the 400 people uh
arrested in relation to a week of
disorder have been charged uh I I I
receive this info I don't know if it's
true or not like you guys should fact
check it but apparently like there were
people arrested for posting uh VI
grossly offensive grossly offensive post
on social media and the trials are
secret like they're not open to the
public so so you don't know actually
what what's going on cuz I found it
interesting when the police went into
the house of this elderly gentleman and
they were like um the the guy was like
okay but like what did I post it which
post and it's like oh we will tell you
at the station so like where he can't
film and that's interesting like like if
you're afraid of posts wouldn't you want
the public to know what those posts are
so they don't post them cuz like okay
maybe he actually did tweet something
incredibly offensive like Beyond The
Pale but like how would we know so that
we avoid posting stuff like
that prosecutors and Detectives are now
working through cases in teams across
England and Wales to push as many
suspects into the court as they quickly
possible well uh didn't they just like
release a lot of prisoners like I'm glad
there's room now CU you don't you don't
want overcrowded prisoners that's bad uh
Romania has overcrowded prisoners it's
it's not good European Union don't like
that so so you need you need presidents
with ample space uh some complex cases
could take weeks and more to be charged
but Mr Parkinson uh said that
prosecutors were absolutely geared up to
bring offenders to Justice uh By the way
when they had the BLM riots was there
the same energy or like and if no why
not like what changed what what is the
difference I know seriously asking for a
friend like like why is it that some
riots are treated differently than
others uh concern has been mounting
about extreme right-wing social media
influencers including the founder of the
edl real name Steven yakle lenon every
single time like everyone knows his real
name by now but like they they like
power word naming him like he's a demon
you know like in Dungeons and Dragons if
you know the name of the demon it
actually listens to your
commands he is currently in Cyprus the
high court has issued that warrant for
his arrest after he failed to turn up in
court I I don't think he's like rotting
away from uh I I I this is just my two
cents right I I think he's just on
vacation uh but if he was actually
trying to run away from England he
wouldn't go with the European Union like
you know if you have the finances and
you have the money like you'd go
somewhere like I don't know in Russia or
some [ __ ] you know like where they're
less likely to extradite you I'm just
saying like it makes common sense right
like if you're running away from a
country because you're in trouble and
you don't want to get arrested like you
you would probably go somewhere where
they don't have any
extradition
Iran where where would that be I'm just
curious uh Mr Parkinson said some people
are abroad that doesn't mean they're
safe we have Liaisons and prosecutors
around the globe who've got local links
with the local Judiciary we can
cooperate with our International
Partners we would certainly consider
extradition if we are satisfied that an
offense has been committed and if it
takes weeks or not months we will bring
them home and they will face Justice
violent riots following the Fatal
stabbings of three girls have now lasted
almost a week suspects Char so far have
faced allegations including violent
disorder which can lead to 5 years in
jail Jesus Christ other Suspects who
have been arrested are still being
assessed for the more serious charge of
rioting which can lead up to 10 years uh
those charging decisions would take
longer because of the nature of the
crime and the evidence needed but they
will come there are sentencing
guidelines which uh indicate that many
people who have been caught up in this
disorder okay let let me let me just put
it this way um America right under the
shepherd and the guidance of the most
wise of the all the Democrats
don't write articles like
this okay like like this is fear bonging
porn I'm not saying they're not going to
do it which is why it's fear bonging
like like they they may actually do it
they may actually you know go and and
start arresting uh social media
influencers and you know anyone that has
an opinion on this that upsets K Stalin
in fact even was saying Kier Stalin may
be grossly offensive I don't [ __ ]
know they may actually do it right but
I'm looking at other nations in the
world Germany doesn't do this France
doesn't do this America doesn't do this
why are they doing this I mean can you
not handle a riot with without recurring
to to this level of fear porn like am by
the way am I am I out of line for asking
this like genuine
question have no seriously like have you
heard any other Western Nation talk like
this I'm just curious right like can we
be curious now I don't know it's a good
good
question
Jesus nowhere is safe we are everywhere
we are like an octopusy we are going to
reach and grab you and drag you into the
UK prison you know it's kind of like
that I'm just saying it's weird you know
what I I think I know like the last
person that got into this trouble was a
German comedian because he said that um
the Turkish president has a little [ __ ]
no I'm not kidding like he actually made
a joke like right and and then turkey
demanded that Germany take takes drastic
measures he insulted the sultan and it's
like okay well but it's Turkey right I
mean come on it's turkey you expect that
Ian but this is the United Kingdom it is
Britain it has Churchill in it it's like
okay like seriously like the more I read
and the more I show to other Romanians
they're also like Jesus [ __ ] Christ
they how do you come back from how do
you gain trust again from your citizens
after something like
this well I hope they just uh wash the
telly they they don't look on the evil
social media because they may see
footage there that contradicts the Telly
but like even on the Telly that there
was like that lady a couple of days ago
right like like she's there to talk
about the far right and all of a sudden
uh men with what do you call it the
baklava the the the the face mask came
in and uh started uh harassing her and
and then they slashed her tires they
didn't look very far right to me they
looked like Pious
individuals and immediately like that
footage was taken down like put it under
the rug under the rug the British way
the British way is under the rug you
know everything goes under the rug all
right toes let me know what you think
I'll see in the comment section thank
you
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