Why experts think the Pentagon covers up UAP reports | Reality Check with Ross Coulthart

Summary

The video script discusses the Pentagon's Arrow report on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs), which has been criticized by prominent UAP researchers for its lack of transparency and thorough investigation. The report's conclusions, dismissing the existence of extraterrestrial technology and reverse engineering programs, are seen as an attempt to quell decades-long allegations of government secrecy. Interviews with experts at the Roswell UFO Fest reveal a general lack of trust in government disclosures and a belief in ongoing cover-ups, despite the Arrow report's claims of no evidence for alien life or technology.

Takeaways

• 📜 The Director of National Intelligence (DNI) made a significant admission in 2021, acknowledging the reality of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs) and their potential threat to national security and flight safety.
• 🛸 The U.S. Department of Defense's UFO investigation office, known as the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), formerly known as AATIP, released a report in 2024 that was criticized for its lack of objectivity and thorough research.
• 🔍 The AARO report was perceived as an attempt to discredit decades-long allegations of secret U.S. retrieval and reverse-engineering programs of alien technology.
• 🤔 Ufologist Don Schmidt, lead investigator for the UFO Museum in Roswell, expressed skepticism about government transparency, suggesting that officials are unlikely to disclose the truth to the public.
• 📚 Best-selling UFO author Kevin Randall questioned the validity of the AARO report, noting the lack of verifiable information and the absence of rigorous investigation.
• 🗣️ Roswell Daily Record reporter Toby Martinez had low expectations for the AARO report, anticipating a dismissal of extraterrestrial life claims, which contrasts with previous whistleblower testimonies.
• 👽 David Fravor, a former UAP task force representative, claimed that the government possesses proof of alien life but is withholding it from the public.
• 🚫 The head of the Pentagon's UAP investigations program, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, stated that AARO has found no credible evidence of extraterrestrial activity or advanced technology that defies known physics.
• 🕵️‍♂️ UAP researchers, including Schmidt and Randall, have conducted methodical and detailed interviews with first-person witnesses to uncover the truth about events like the 1947 Roswell incident.
• 🌐 The local sentiment in Roswell towards the AARO report and the government's stance on UAPs is one of resigned expectation of a cover-up, rather than anger or surprise.

Q & A

What was the significance of the report released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) in June 2021?

The report was significant because it acknowledged the reality of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs), their unusual flight characteristics, and their potential threat to flight safety and national security, marking a major reversal from years of taboo and stigma attached to UAPs by the US government.

What is the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), and what was its role in the UAP report of 2024?

The AARO, also known as Arrow, is the US Department of Defense's UFO investigation office. Its role was to deliver a historical review report on UAPs, which was criticized for being poorly researched and seemingly aimed at dismissing decades-long allegations of secret retrieval and reverse-engineering programs of alien technology.

What were the main criticisms of the Arrow report from UAP commentators and researchers?

The main criticisms were that the report was not objective, lacked rigorous investigation, and failed to provide verifiable information. Critics also felt that it dismissed the possibility of extraterrestrial technology and did not adequately address the claims of reverse-engineering programs.

What is the connection between the Arrow report and David Fravor's revelations about a secret retrieval and reverse-engineering program?

David Fravor's revelations about a long-secret retrieval and reverse-engineering program of alien technology preceded the Arrow report. The report was seen as an attempt to counter these allegations with little evidence, declaring no evidence for such claims.

Who are Don Schmidt and Kevin Randle, and what is their stance on the Arrow report?

Don Schmidt is a ufologist and lead investigator for the UFO Museum in Roswell, and Kevin Randle is a military veteran and ufologist who has written numerous books on UFOs. Both were critical of the Arrow report, believing it did not take their research and findings seriously and failed to provide new insights or verifiable information.

What was the general sentiment among the UFO researchers and commentators interviewed in Roswell regarding the Arrow report?

The general sentiment was one of disappointment and a lack of surprise. They felt the report was not genuine in its objectivity and did not provide any new or verifiable information, reinforcing their belief in an ongoing cover-up.

What was the local reaction in Roswell to the Arrow report?

The local reaction was largely one of resignation and expectation. People in Roswell were not angry but rather expected the government to cover up the truth about UAPs, believing that the official explanations were not credible.

What is the significance of the preliminary assessment report on unidentified aerial phenomena by the DNI?

The preliminary assessment report by the DNI is significant because it was the first time a high-level US government agency acknowledged the existence of UAPs, their unusual characteristics, and their potential threat to national security and flight safety.

What concerns do UAP commentators have regarding intelligence failures and national security?

UAP commentators are concerned that similar intelligence failures that led to the 9/11 attacks could be allowing oversights that threaten national security and flight safety, particularly in relation to unidentified aerial phenomena.

What was the expectation from the UAP community regarding the Arrow report?

The UAP community expected the Arrow report to either confirm the existence of extraterrestrial technology or to continue the cover-up narrative. Many were disappointed with the report's conclusions, feeling that it did not provide credible evidence or address their concerns adequately.

What is the role of the Roswell Daily Record in the UAP community?

The Roswell Daily Record, represented by reporter Toby Martinez in the script, plays a role in local journalism and reporting on UAP-related events and opinions within the community, providing a platform for discussion and critique of official reports like the Arrow report.

What is the historical context of the Roswell incident in 1947, and how does it relate to the current UAP discussions?

The Roswell incident in 1947 involved the US military's initial claim of having recovered a flying disc, which was later explained as a weather balloon. This event has become a focal point for UAP discussions and conspiracy theories, with many believing that the government has been hiding the truth about extraterrestrial technology.

Outlines

00:00

📜 Historical Context of UAP Acknowledgment

The paragraph begins with a historical backdrop, highlighting the Office of the Director of National Intelligence's (DNI) 2021 report on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP). This report was pivotal as it acknowledged the reality of UAPs and their potential threat to national security and flight safety, marking a significant shift from previous taboos and stigmas. The DNI's admission was a stark contrast to the US government's past reluctance, indicating a need for a reevaluation of intelligence practices regarding UAPs.

05:02

🛸 Critique of the Pentagon's UAP Investigation Report

This paragraph critiques the Pentagon's Arrow report, expressing disappointment among UFO researchers and commentators. The report is described as lacking in objectivity and thorough research, seemingly aimed at dismissing allegations of secret retrieval and reverse-engineering programs of alien technology. The speakers, including ufologist Don Schmidt and military veteran Kevin Randall, question the credibility and transparency of the report, emphasizing the need for verifiable information and expressing skepticism about the government's willingness to disclose the truth about UAPs.

10:02

🕵️‍♂️ Skepticism Towards Government Disclosure on UAPs

The paragraph delves into the skepticism held by UAP researchers towards the government's disclosure efforts. It discusses the perceived lack of genuine investigation and the classification of materials that prevent independent verification. The experts, including Schmidt and Randall, are portrayed as having conducted more in-depth and methodical research than the government, leading to a stronger belief in a cover-up. The paragraph also touches on the local sentiment in Roswell, New Mexico, where the community is largely resigned to the idea of ongoing governmental secrecy regarding UAPs.

15:04

🗣️ Expert Reactions to the Arrow Report at UFO Fest

This paragraph focuses on the reactions of UAP experts and commentators to the Arrow report, as gathered by correspondent Xavier Walton at the UFO Fest in Roswell. The experts, including Don Schmidt, Kevin Randle, and Toby Martinez, express disappointment and a lack of surprise at the report's findings, viewing it as an expected attempt to maintain the status quo of secrecy. Their skepticism is rooted in their own extensive research and the perceived superficiality of the government's investigation.

20:05

🌟 Public Perception and Expectations on UAP Disclosure

The final paragraph discusses the public's perception and expectations regarding the disclosure of UAP information. It suggests that the local community in Roswell and UAP believers generally do not expect transparency from the government, viewing the Arrow report as another instance of cover-up. The paragraph also mentions the upcoming release of Lou Elizondo's book, which is anticipated to provide semi-official confirmation of extraterrestrial activity, adding another layer to the ongoing debate on UAPs.

Keywords

💡UAP

UAP stands for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, which refers to any aerial occurrence that cannot be readily identified or explained. In the context of the video, UAPs are central to the discussion as they are the focus of the Pentagon's investigation and the subject of historical reports and public interest. The script mentions that the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) acknowledged UAPs as real and potentially a threat to flight safety and national security.

💡Pentagon

The Pentagon is the headquarters of the United States Department of Defense and is often used to represent the military establishment of the U.S. In the video, the Pentagon's role is highlighted through its Arrow program, which is tasked with investigating UAPs. The script criticizes the Pentagon's report as lacking objectivity and being dismissive of the possibility of extraterrestrial technology.

💡Arrow

Arrow, or the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, is the UFO investigation office within the U.S. Department of Defense. The script discusses Arrow's report, which is criticized for its conclusions that no evidence supports the existence of secret U.S. retrieval programs of alien craft or reverse engineering of extraterrestrial technology.

💡Reverse Engineering

Reverse engineering is the process of deconstructing something to understand its function and construction in order to recreate or improve upon it. In the video, the concept is related to allegations of the U.S. government and private companies reverse-engineering extraterrestrial technology, which Arrow's report claims to find no evidence for.

💡National Intelligence

National Intelligence refers to the intelligence services and agencies that operate at the national level to assess and provide information to guide national security decisions. The script mentions the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and its significant report in 2021 that acknowledged the reality of UAPs.

💡Disclosure

Disclosure, in the context of the video, refers to the public revelation or release of information, particularly about the existence and nature of UAPs. The script suggests that there is skepticism about the government's willingness to disclose the full extent of what is known about UAPs.

💡Roswell

Roswell is a city in New Mexico known for the alleged UFO incident in 1947, which is a significant event in UAP history. The script discusses the Roswell incident and the ongoing speculation and investigation into what truly happened, with references to the city's UFO Museum and the perspectives of local researchers.

💡UFO

UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object, which is a term often used interchangeably with UAP in popular culture. The video script uses the term in the context of historical events and ongoing investigations, including references to the UFO Museum in Roswell and discussions with UFO researchers.

💡Extraterrestrial

Extraterrestrial refers to anything originating outside Earth, particularly life forms or technology. The script discusses the possibility of extraterrestrial technology being involved with UAPs and the skepticism surrounding the government's findings on this matter.

💡Coverup

A coverup implies the act of concealing the truth or hiding information from the public. In the video, the term is used to describe the perceived lack of transparency by the government regarding UAPs and the potential existence of secret programs related to extraterrestrial technology.

💡UFOlogist

A UFOlogist is a person who studies UFOs and related phenomena. The script mentions UFOlogists Don Schmidt and Kevin Randall, who are noted for their extensive research and skepticism of the government's findings on UAPs.

Highlights

The Director of National Intelligence's (DNI) 2021 report on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) acknowledged their reality and potential threat to national security and flight safety, marking a significant reversal from previous U.S. government stances.

The DNI's admission is significant as it comes from an intelligence body created post-9/11 to address intelligence failures, suggesting concerns over similar failures in UAP oversight.

In March 2024, the Pentagon's UFO investigation team, Arrow, released a report dismissing allegations of secret U.S. programs for retrieving and reverse-engineering alien technology, which some see as an attempt to discredit decades-long claims.

Ufologist Don Schmidt, lead investigator for the UFO Museum in Roswell, expresses skepticism about government disclosure, suggesting officials are unlikely to admit to a cover-up spanning 77 years.

The Arrow report has been criticized for its lack of transparency and inability to verify its conclusions, with critics arguing it does not provide enough evidence to support its findings.

Ufologist and military veteran Kevin Randall questions the credibility of Arrow's research, pointing out the lack of verifiable information and the absence of interviews with key witnesses.

Toby Martinez, a reporter from the Roswell Daily Record, had low expectations for the Arrow report, anticipating it would not provide evidence of extraterrestrial life, contrary to previous whistleblower claims.

David Grush, a former UAP task force representative, has alleged that the government possesses proof of alien life but is withholding it from the public.

Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, former head of Arrow, reported to Congress that no credible evidence of extraterrestrial activity or advanced technology has been found, a statement met with skepticism by experts.

Experts in Roswell have little faith in the government's willingness to disclose the truth about UAPs, believing that Arrow's role is to investigate only cases with easily explainable outcomes.

The Arrow report is seen by some as undermining its own credibility by failing to conduct a thorough and transparent investigation, thus strengthening beliefs in a government cover-up.

The local reaction in Roswell to the Arrow report is one of resignation rather than anger, with many residents expecting a cover-up and believing in the reality of the 1947 Roswell incident.

UFO researchers like Don Schmidt and Kevin Randle are praised for their methodical and detailed approach to uncovering the truth about Roswell, in contrast to the perceived superficial efforts by the Pentagon's Arrow team.

The transcript highlights a general sentiment among UAP researchers and the public that the government is not being transparent about its findings and may be hiding crucial information.

The upcoming release of Lou Elizondo's book, which allegedly confirms the extraterrestrial nature of the Roswell crash, is anticipated to provide semi-official support to the belief in a government cover-up.

The Arrow report's lack of substance and perceived insincerity in its investigation has led to disappointment among UFOlogists and the public, who expected more from the government's inquiry into UAPs.

The Roswell incident continues to be a point of contention and curiosity, with the 77th anniversary seeing no change in public skepticism towards official explanations and a continued belief in a cover-up.

Transcripts

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welcome back to reality check now before

we get into the nuts and bolts of what

we're going to talk about today which is

the arrow the pentagon's UFO

investigation team their historical

report I need to give you a bit of a

history lesson in June of

2021 the office of the Director of

National Intelligence DN I made what is

probably the most significant admission

of the last 50 or 60 years in a report

entitled preliminary assessment

unidentified aerial phenomena this

report was significant and it remains

hugely significant because dni is not

part of the Pentagon it's the body the

intelligence Zar that was created in the

wake of the 911 catastrophe when it was

recog ized that acute intelligence

failures had led to the 9/11 hijackers

being able to penetrate America's

national security and launch the

horrendous attack that they launched on

America and one of the concerns of UAP

commentators is that similar

intelligence failures are allowing

oversights that are threatening National

Security and flight safety and so it was

extremely sign significant that the dni

in 2021 delivered a finding that uaps

are indeed real that they do on occasion

exhibit unusual flight characteristics

and they are categorically a threat to

flight safety and may even pose a

challenge to National

Security this was a massive reversal on

years of taboo and stigma that had been

attached to the UAP subject by the US

government it was an extraordinary

acknowledgement by the most senior

intelligence Zar in America's government

so it came as a huge surprise in March

this year 2024 when the US Department of

defense's UFO investigation office Arrow

the all domain anomaly resolution office

delivered volume one of its so-called

historic review report on uaps and

identified anomalous

phenomena the pentagon's arrow did not

even try in my opinion to even pretend

that it was doing an objective report

what it delivered was a complete dogs

breakfast a series of poorly researched

conclusions clearly aimed at putting a

stake through the heart of decades long

allegations of a secret us retrieval

program of alien craft and a reverse

engineering program hidden from the

public hard on the heels of David gush's

Revelations of a long secret retrieval

and reverse engineering program it was

extraordinary to see the arrow office

declare with little evidence to show

that it had done any rigorous

investigation to then go on and make a

finding that it could find no evidence

at all for claims that the US government

and private companies have been reverse

engineering extraterrestrial technology

it poo pooed the notion that any US

Government investigation academic

sponsored research or official review

panel had confirmed that any citing of a

UAP represented extraterrestrial e

technology it also found that all of the

named and described alleged hidden UAP

reverse engineering programs provided by

interviewees either don't exist or are

misidentified authentic highly sensitive

National Security

Programs now because our correspondent

Xavier Walton was deployed to Roswell

Mexico New Mexico for the latest UFO

Fest we thought it would be interesting

to get him to ask some of America's most

prominent UAP

commentators what they thought of the

pentagon's arrow

report and this is what Xavier

discovered ufologist Don Schmidt is the

lead investigator for the UFO Museum in

Roswell as for his opinion of the error

report just a cursory examination of

especially many of the case reports that

uh they've already explained away in the

past like the government's explanation

for the 1947 Roswell incident Schmidt a

best-selling author about UFOs doesn't

think officials are ever going to

disclose the information to the American

public you're we were asking the very

Arbiters of the coverup to come clean to

finally roll over and acknowledge their

culpability as well as the fact that

they have been

deceiving Capitol Hill on this subject

for now going on 77 years he feels era

will quote dismiss the subject the idea

that the phenomenon was

conceded immediately after Roswell and

yet here we are now 77 years later and

we're back to square one that oh we have

no evidence there's nothing

extraordinary as far as in our

possession and as predicted and I don't

anticipate that we are again ever going

to have disclosure I really don't

because they are that entrenched as far

as in making sure that this never comes

out SM isn't alone in his thinking we

need as the researchers to be able to

verify if I came forward to you and said

well I know this about UFOs and you can

go to this Source you go to that source

to find out am I have I communicated

convincingly and properly what is in

that other document or that other person

said with here the arol report we can do

none of that we have it's all classified

material ufologist and Military veteran

Kevin Randall has written over three

dozen books about UFOs he questions

former Arrow director Sean Kirkpatrick

as well as Arrow's research and

Reporting he says we've come to this

conclusion they don't provide us with

any information we can check they give

us one or two reports that they claim

they've solved but we can't verify

anything what we need to do be able to

do is read the report verify you tell us

this and we need as the researchers to

be able to verify it even before any of

Arrow's conclusions were made public the

Roswell Daily records U reporter Toby

Martinez had low expectations I didn't

expect anything new from the report I

figured it would say there was no you

know evidence of extraterrestrial life

sightings which directly goes against

what David grush came out and testified

as to last year saying that we've

recovered craft and biologic so while I

wasn't surprised I was a bit

disappointed grush a former UAP task

force representative in a news Nation

exclusive last year the UFO

whistleblower spoke about his findings

and his claims the government does have

proof of alien life but they aren't

disclosing it the head of the pentagon's

UAP investigations program Dr sha

Kirkpatrick told Congress Arrow that's

the pentagon's UFO investigation body

has found no credible evidence thus far

of extraterrestrial activity offworld

technology or objects that defy the

known laws of physics while a large

number of cases in our Holdings remain

technically unresolved this is primarily

due to a lack of data associated with

those cases was that a lie well I know

Dr Shan kpatrick I've known him for

about eight years and you know I

expressed some concerns to Dr katrick

about a year ago and I told him what I

was starting to

uncover and he didn't follow up with me

and he has my phone number he could have

called me like grush the experts we

spoke with in Roswell have little faith

that government will ever tell us what

they really found I don't think we're

going to get answers through Arrow I

don't I think their job is to

investigate cases I think they're only

going to release ones that are easily

explainable I still personally maintain

it's a coverup of ignorance that they

still don't have any solid answers

themselves uh I think that's why there's

a large faction at the Pentagon that

even would equate this to something

almost Supernatural magical that we

can't bridge that technology it is that

being on the P so to speak so they don't

know from where from why or from who so

what do they disclose so I can even you

know sympathize with their their

position and all this so Xavier welcome

to reality check clearly the experts and

buying

it Ross thanks for having me and to say

the least right so uh we were out there

for a few days and it was almost it was

interesting right you know you you can

you can look at a person and you can

read their body language they don't have

to say a word the moment you ask them at

least for me um there in Roswell and you

know some of the biggest names when it

comes to to UFO research um you know Don

Schmidt Kevin Randle the these guys that

have been doing this at it for decades

and you you bring up the era report and

almost

immediately I'll be honest it I don't

want to say it seemed like they were

offended that we were asking them about

that but it it almost you could sense

that they just didn't they didn't take

it seriously because they didn't take

the error report seriously they're like

that what what what the government put

out was uh I mean it was a joke and

honestly it was what a lot of people

just said was it was expected you know

that that's what we were expecting you

know we weren't surprised by the lack

thereof or or the substance or anything

like that and to be honest that you know

that when you talk to people that some

of the UFO olist that we spoke to that

was their take on it you know we weren't

surprised at all because why would we be

this is what we expected all along when

it comes to to uaps or UFOs or anything

of the sort when it comes from the

government one of the things that I I

think we should all do our hats to is

the extraordinary work that you're quite

right Don Schmidt and Kevin Randle have

done over the years the two of them have

probably done more to expose what really

happened at Roswell in 1947 than any

other researchers their work is

formidable and what characterizes it

Xavier is methodical detailed interviews

with firstperson Witnesses they've done

the homework they've Tracked Down the

firstperson witnesses who have direct

knowledge firstand evidence of what

really went on and I'm just interested

to know because one of the things that

um I know David grush has pointed out is

that Arrow made this declaration without

interviewing any of witnesses that he

has provided to the Congress and he's

refused point blank to cooperate with

ouro because like a lot of people he

doesn't trust them he doesn't think that

their Endeavors to investigate the

phenomenon are indeed objective or fair

was that the impression you got from

Kevin Randall and um Don

Schmidt absolutely it's and you know it

was interesting because I was speaking

to Kevin Randle and not knowing you know

how many years he's been at it he's

written like something like 30 books and

that you know Pals a comparison you

think about all the people he's talked

to and then he started talking about

this report and he was almost

discrediting it because of the fact that

did did they even do their their

homework you know and I think he was

again I don't want to say he was

offended by this report by no means but

in my mind it it it almost seemed like

it was doing everyone a disservice like

like the report itself was just a waste

of time like you're you're wasting our

time telling us what either a we know or

a we don't know but you're not giving us

anything new and I think that was the

sentiment from talking to Kevin Randall

talking to to to Don Schmidt too I mean

they had more information from their

sources and the people that they're

tapped into their networks um and the

error report in their eyes didn't even

scrape the surface of what should be you

know publicized and discuss with the

public and I think that's why they were

just a little I don't I'll say

disappointed to be polite um and that's

why they weren't surprised as to to what

the error report was when it came out

it's actually very instructive to look

at the history of what they uncovered

about Roswell because if we go back to

1947 when the story first broke the

public was told and there was a huge

press release put out by the Roswell

Army Air Force Base announcing that they

had indeed found a flying disc and the

pr man for the military guy called

Walter H from recollection he's one of

the people that Don Schmidt and Kevin

Randall interviewed and how before he

died did a deathbed deposition where he

flatly admitted that he was basically

put up to a lie and uh similarly with

their conversations with major Jesse

Marcel who was the intelligence officer

who actually went out to the site the

one thing I respect and admire Don and

Kevin for is that they've done their

homework they've gone on the ground and

the the thing that really shocks me is

how poor in comparison the efforts by

the pentagon's UFO office are if what

they're trying to do genuinely is to try

and rebut and to be seen to be

scientifically rebutting the claims that

being made of some kind of conspiracy of

recovered non-human craft of recovered

bodies the very way that the arrow

historical review report was written has

actually undermined their credibility

and done more to strengthen the belief

in a conspiracy and a coverup than the

other explanation which is that it's all

nonsense and that it really was a spy

balloon is that your impression from

Kevin and Don as well in relation to the

arrow

report absolutely and you said something

just a second ago um you use the word

genuine Ross and when it comes down to

it I I don't think that you know um

Arrow was genuine in being objective

when they were going about um this

report and that's at least coming from

from both Don and Kevin and those guys

they've done their homework they're

still doing their homework they're still

trying to uncover more it never stops

you know with them and that that that's

the interesting thing and that's why it

almost you know to guys like that you

know it almost seems like for them this

was a slap in the face um there was

another guy I talked to who is uh you

know he's a a UAP reporter for the I

think it's like the the Roswell Daily

Record Toby Martinez and he's another

guy who is you know deep into this and

has been studying it for years and he

almost thinks it's like you know don't

insult my intelligence with this piece

of I don't know what you want to call

you can use whatever word uh

but but it almost was like a slap in the

face to these guys because at the same

time they've spent countless hours

trying to to prove things to get their

story straight and then you you read

something like this it's like well did

they even did they genuinely make an

effort to try and provide more

information um to the public and to us

and a lot of times just doesn't seem

like it at least according to Don and

Kevin and Toby the other gentleman I

spoke with well one of the things that

we do know from the preliminary

inadvertent leaking of Lou Al's book Lou

alzando of course had served in the

Pentagon investigating uaps for the

military and uh in the inadvertent

release of his book by the Publishers in

the United Kingdom which have been

leaked all over the web in the last few

weeks what we do know is that Lou

apparently says that the Roswell crash

was a real crash of extraterrestrial

craft so that's going to be a very

interesting Revelation to actually see

the detail on in Lou's book it would

appear that there is some if you like

semiofficial confirmation from somebody

who's been inside the loop in the

Pentagon so watch this

space Xavier I think um I'd also like to

conclude by asking you what was the

local reaction what are people thinking

on the street the sort of people who are

attending you o Fest are obviously

Believers they're people who are

convinced about the reality of if you

like a a non-human Intelligence on this

planet um but did anybody talk to you on

the street with the locals angry at

what's happening inside the Pentagon the

perception that there's perhaps another

cover up happening 77 years after the

first one took place in Roswell in

1947 yeah I I don't think and this is

just talking to to locals there it's

hard to get angry and be frustrated when

it's something you've been you know

enduring your entire life like it's same

thing with with this report from Arrow

or the arrow report you know they they

weren't angry so to speak because they

expected it and a lot of these folks you

know you talk to them they almost expect

the the government to to cover up what's

really going on a lot of people believe

yeah it was real what happened back in

1947 the crash was real it was

extraterrestrial you know the stuff

uh that that that our good friend Frank

Kimbrell is founding finding compelling

evidence they believe yeah that is real

um all these things are are adding up

right and they just think the government

is lying to them so to say that they're

angry I I didn't get that sentiment more

so it's just kind of status quo this is

what it is this is what we're used to

this is what it's been our entire lives

and honestly I don't think anyone

believed it was going to change at all

it it wasn't interesting though we we

did um ask some people you know like why

do you think or why do you believe um

that there is other life out there and

the the the answers are are obviously

you know uh the ones you you hear

normally and the the the big one was you

know do you really think we're the only

intelligent life out there considering

how massive the universe is and every

time that's the one I I just kept

hearing over and over again and then you

know they would hear about news nation

and they would hear about David grush

and they'd hear about Ur Ross and and

then it would come back to I think

they're hiding something but then again

they wouldn't get mad about it they just

believe in their heart of hearts that

you know the government's just not

telling us

everything well 77 years on from the

mystery of what happened in Roswell New

Mexico in July of that year I don't

think people accept the official

explanation for what happened back then

and I don't think they accept the

official explanation that's been pedal

by arrow in its most recent report this

year Xavier Walton thank you so much for

joining reality

check Ross thanks for having me hope

hope I'll hope I'll join you again

cheers

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